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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Andiron on March 01, 2022, 09:48:49 PM
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https://fox8.com/news/ohio-house-closer-to-passing-bill-getting-rid-of-concealed-carry-permits/
I'm cautiously optimistic this time. Our governor is the worst flavor of RINO, but I'd wager he signs this to save his ass during reelection. Just a gut feeling.
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Agreed. He's going to sign it to go after the conservative end of the Rs, and hope the rest of his term will get enough D votes to carry the election.
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https://fox8.com/news/ohio-house-closer-to-passing-bill-getting-rid-of-concealed-carry-permits/
I'm cautiously optimistic this time. Our governor is the worst flavor of RINO, but I'd wager he signs this to save his ass during reelection. Just a gut feeling.
IF they get it passed before the election. The Ohio Legislatures MO is to hold everything until the last week of the term (December) which would allow DeWine to veto without consequence and with no time left to override the veto.
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House passed it and it’s on the Governors desk for signature
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Great news.
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House passed it and it’s on the Governors desk for signature
Hate to be a pessimist on this but it's probably in the bathroom to be used
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Cool. Hope DeWine signs it. Still have people we visit in Ohio from time to time, so I would like to see the duty to notify LE provision go away.
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According to these guys, Nebraska and Indiana may still go Con-carry this year.
https://youtu.be/6nSLKp9Nknc
Don't know why they so often fail to cite sources.
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According to these guys, Nebraska and Indiana may still go Con-carry this year.
https://youtu.be/6nSLKp9Nknc
Don't know why they so often fail to cite sources.
The Indiana law for constitutional carry was gutted.
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/02/24/constitutional-carry-in-doubt-after-indiana-committee-guts-legislation-n55822
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The Indiana law for constitutional carry was gutted.
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/02/24/constitutional-carry-in-doubt-after-indiana-committee-guts-legislation-n55822
WATCH - THE - VIDEO
Your source is a week old. That video came out today. Here is more:
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/indiana/constitutional-carry-bill-gets-new-life-in-senate-committee-permit-gun-license-indiana-law/531-6d239bea-325f-4bb5-8ce4-ecbe51ec7c9d
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WATCH - THE - VIDEO
Your source is a week old. That video came out today. Here is more:
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/indiana/constitutional-carry-bill-gets-new-life-in-senate-committee-permit-gun-license-indiana-law/531-6d239bea-325f-4bb5-8ce4-ecbe51ec7c9d
Sweet, thanks for the link! You would think living in Indiana I would hear of these things quicker. Unfortunately NW Indiana is really a suburb of Chicago.
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Constitutional no permit carry passed and going to Indiana governor!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/indiana-lawmakers-pass-bill-to-eliminate-permits-to-carry-handguns-for-hoosiers-18-and-older/ar-AAUOUVd?ocid=uxbndlbing
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CNN is very unhappy about all you guys joining the CC club. :laugh:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/05/us/permitless-carry-laws-advance-in-states/index.html
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It appears that today's marching orders from the illuminati to the MSM are to negatively cover this story. It was interesting to read that an Alabama State rep who introduced their version of CC was also a deputy sheriff and was fired by his sheriff after he introduced the bill.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/597227-states-move-to-roll-back-firearm-permits-over-police
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It appears that today's marching orders from the illuminati to the MSM are to negatively cover this story. It was interesting to read that an Alabama State rep who introduced their version of CC was also a deputy sheriff and was fired by his sheriff after he introduced the bill.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/597227-states-move-to-roll-back-firearm-permits-over-police
From that article:
“It is going to promote lawlessness. I think that there will be people who carry weapons concealed for the purpose of being vigilantes. I think that it is not very well thought out for very high populated counties such as Hamilton County,” Ohio's Hamilton County Sheriff Charmaine McGuffey said in an interview. “To vote for people to be able to concealed carry without a license, without any training, without any documentation, it makes it exponentially harder for law enforcement to prevent gun crimes.”
I get the impression that he wants restrictions to prevent normal law abiding citizens from doing the same thing the criminals are already doing. I am sure his idea of a "vigilante" is anyone who defends themselves.
“There are communities across the country that are already really struggling with the crisis of gun violence,” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action, a gun safety organization. “Law enforcement are saying lawmakers are just ignoring their concerns.”
Yes, and instead of addressing that "gun violence" by going after the hard core criminals, you are worrying about what the non-criminals are doing.
“Poor decisionmaking happens, and unfortunately, if you’re carrying a weapon and you make a poor decision in a very elevated and high stress situation, the repercussions and ramifications of that are tremendous,” McGuffey said. “People in the general public don’t understand generally how poorly most people shoot.”
Read this as if he is talking about his own cops and it amounts to the same thing.
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Welll said, MechAg94 !
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I get the impression that he wants restrictions to prevent normal law abiding citizens from doing the same thing the criminals are already doing. I am sure his idea of a "vigilante" is anyone who defends themselves.
In the mind of the left, a dead rape victim is morally superior to the survivor that defended herself with lethal force.
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Congratulations, Alabama
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alabama-gov-ivey-signs-constitutional-carry-bill-repeals-permit-carry-concealed-pistol
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Great news for them. In the meantime, in Nebraska:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/10/state-sen-megan-hunt-isnt-anti-second-amendment-but-its-authors-were-misogynistic-slave-owners/
Senator Megan Hunt 😷
@NebraskaMegan
Owning a gun isn’t a "God-given right." It’s a slave-owning, misogynistic founding father-given right.
I’m not against 2a, but be real - the Constitution was written by people!
Today I’m filibustering a bill that would allow concealed carry without training or a permit. #NELeg
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From that twitchy link.
(1) The right to self-defense is natural and inalienable. The right to keep and bear arms is a necessary and logical outflow of this, giving "teeth" to the underlying natural right, which on its own is a dead letter.
(2) This is self-evident *within her argument itself.* Slave owners relentlessly sought to DISARM slaves, because armed slaves could better defend their natural rights. Armed slaves would mean the effective end of slavery.
(2)(a) The problem wasn't that slave owners had a right to arms - the recognition of this right predates the African slave trade. The problem was the legal framework that stripped some people of this right so that they could be better oppressed.
(3) The misogyny part is weird. Women have never been exempt from the 2A right. It is, in fact, of greater importance for us, as we generally find ourselves smaller and physically weaker than our attackers. Without arms, our natural right to self-defense is comparatively weaker.
To summarize:
The right to keep and bear arms predates the Founding. It is protected by the Constitution, but not created by it. Its restriction or selective application benefits racists, misogynists, and tyrants. Its full protection benefits the weak, disfavored, and oppressed.
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Rumor is Dewine may veto the bill, to pander to Dem voters. Apparently he believes that he can carry enough R voters that he can afford to piss of the gun people here if he gets enough Dem votes in return.
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From that twitchy link.
Great stuff!
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DeWine signed it.
Ohio Governor DeWine Signs BFA-Supported Permitless Carry Bill
At approximately 4:50 p.m. on Monday, March 14, 2022, Gov. Mike DeWine signed Senate Bill 215, which will make it legal to carry a concealed handgun without a license in Ohio 91 days after signing.
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So are you Ohio guys breaking out the rubber boots so that all the blood running in the streets doesn't soak your socks? =D
Welcome to the club though!
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(https://spiderimg.amarujala.com/assets/images/2016/09/14/dhaka-street_1473832126.jpeg)
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Yea the libs are probably crying in their hands right now
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DeWine signed it.
I have to admit, I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Congratulations, Ohio! That's 23!
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I have to admit, I'm pleasantly surprised.
Me too. I was waiting for him to make a big deal about protecting LEOs and then veto it.
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Unfreaking believable.
Ohio gets Constitutional Carry before Virginia does, and Virginia had 20 years worth of full Republican control and didn't do squat.
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Congratulations, Ohio! That's 23!
I remember when we thought it was a HUGE deal when it reached five.
Does anyone have a list of which states now allow permitless carry?
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List right here:
https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/Permitless_Carry_States.pdf
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I can't wait till we hit 26. That will be an interesting MSM news cycle. =D
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Anyone know the next likely candidate for passage?
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I can't wait till we hit 26. That will be an interesting MSM news cycle. =D
I don't think they'll want to talk about it.
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Anyone know the next likely candidate for passage?
I believe Georgia, Nebraska, and Indiana are working on it.
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I believe Georgia, Nebraska, and Indiana are working on it.
Not sure what's going on across the river in Indiana. They keep going one way then the other.
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There has been talk that Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb was behind the scenes trying to keep it from passing and hitting his desk. The original bill was gutted with Republican collusion. Supporters had a plan and got a clean bill passed anyway.
Well, constitutional carry is now on his desk waiting to be signed.
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There has been talk that Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb was behind the scenes trying to keep it from passing and hitting his desk. The original bill was gutted with Republican collusion. Supporters had a plan and got a clean bill passed anyway.
Well, constitutional carry is now on his desk waiting to be signed.
I believe I've heard that his veto would be overridden, so it makes sense for him to either sign it, or just let it pass without a signature.
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I believe I've heard that his veto would be overridden, so it makes sense for him to either sign it, or just let it pass without a signature.
Coming out of Illinois I have to say I'm impressed with Republicans that actually try to move the ball on issues. I've never seen that at the state level before!
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Coming out of Illinois I have to say I'm impressed with Republicans that actually try to move the ball on issues. I've never seen that at the state level before!
Adds a new wrinkle to the uniparty talk, perhaps.
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Adds a new wrinkle to the uniparty talk, perhaps.
The higher up in the echelons of power the less representative they seem to become. I don't think the states are all run by the uniparty...yet.
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The higher up in the echelons of power the less representative they seem to become. I don't think the states are all run by the uniparty...yet.
That is exactly right.
Republicans on the Federal level are pretty much worthless for the most part. On the state level, they do good things sometimes.
When I first got interested in guns, we called it "Vermont Carry" because Vermont was the only one... the change has been unbelievable.
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DeWyne signed the bill today.
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When I first got interested in guns, we called it "Vermont Carry" because Vermont was the only one... the change has been unbelievable.
Yep. 1990s me would not believe the direction that carry legislation has gone.
I also would have been convinced that anything like a pistol brace would get you arrested, adjustable-length suppressors would definitely be considered multiple suppressors to the ATF, that I'd never be able to buy new-manufactured standard cap magazines or unneutered semi-auto rifles, and that while a suppressed BB gun would be legal you'd still probably get busted for it.
On the other hand, I'd be appalled by the current cost and availability of ammunition.
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Meanwhile
Florida Constitutional Carry Dies for Third Consecutive Year Under Republican Leadership
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/florida-constitutional-carry-dies-for-third-consecutive-year-under-republican-leadership/
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It's interesting that Florida can't get it passed. They were one of the first big CCW states. As I recall, the initial push was because so many tourists were getting carjacked in their rental cars.
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Hooray for us. Can't believe that little *expletive deleted*it came through.
I'm still voting against him in the primary. Putting a signature to a Right I already had doesn't get him forgiveness for all of the covid BS.
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"It's interesting that Florida can't get it passed. "
OH MY GOD! PERMITLESS STAND YOUR GROUND CARRY! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! IT'S GOING TO BE BLOOD IN STREETS! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF ALL THE WIDDLE CHILLRUNS?
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It's interesting that Florida can't get it passed. They were one of the first big CCW states.
I think it's largely a case of good enough being the enemy of better.
And probably rent-seeking from whomever benefits from permit fees.
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And probably rent-seeking from whomever benefits from permit fees.
That was one of the reasons some cited here why they kept dragging their feet on CC
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And probably rent-seeking from whomever benefits from permit fees.
I used to have an FL non-resident, and yeah, I recall they make (or were making) a boatload of dough on those.
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Does this apply only for Ohio residents, or would it apply to me if I travel there?
I'm pretty sure Idaho has constitutional carry, but only for Idaho citizens.
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Does this apply only for Ohio residents, or would it apply to me if I travel there?
I'm pretty sure Idaho has constitutional carry, but only for Idaho citizens.
Any US citizen over 18 can carry in Iderho.
State law also allows any resident of Idaho or a current member of the armed forces of the United States to carry a concealed handgun without a license to carry, provided the person is over 18 years old and not disqualified from being issued a license to carry concealed weapons under state law. An amendment to state law that takes effect on July 1, 2020 changes the reference in the above law from “a resident of Idaho” to “any citizen of the United States.”
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/idaho/
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But what about Ohio?
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I don’t see anything that says citizen of the state of Ohio in the bill text.
https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb215/EN/05/sb215_05_EN?format=pdf (https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb215/EN/05/sb215_05_EN?format=pdf)
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Pretty sure I read that one must have resided in the state of Ohio for a minimum of 45 days to be legal.
JB
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Rumor is that a bunch of elected Sheriff's a d police chiefs are indicating an intention to arrest anyone carrying without a permit for illegal CCW. They are saying it is up to the prosecutor to determine if the person was legally possessing the firearm, and therfore legally carrying. And they are also hoping liberal prosecutors will indict the cases a d force judges to dismiss them. It may be a mess for a while.
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Rumor is that a bunch of elected Sheriff's a d police chiefs are indicating an intention to arrest anyone carrying without a permit for illegal CCW. They are saying it is up to the prosecutor to determine if the person was legally possessing the firearm, and therfore legally carrying. And they are also hoping liberal prosecutors will indict the cases a d force judges to dismiss them. It may be a mess for a while.
Can they get away with that under state law? It seems lawsuit worthy for the victims.
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Can they get away with that under state law? It seems lawsuit worthy for the victims.
I haven't read the final version of the Con Carry law yet. I've heard it described as saying basically if you are legally in possession, you can legally carry. Rumor is these anti gun cops are going to play the angle of "Absent a permit, I don't know if they are legal. That's a prosecutor/court decision. So hook em up and let the courts sort things out." Depending on the wording of the statutes, they might be able to get away with this for a while. Which is why I'll keep my permit (and the reciprocity with other states).
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Indiana is now the 24th state to recognize the constitutional right to carry!
The governor actually signed the bill, but it would have become law whether he signed it or not. The only way to stop it would have been for him to veto the bill.
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I like what Holcombe's signature signals - that red-state politicritters who want to keep their jobs get out of the way of free carry.
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Indiana is now the 24th state to recognize the constitutional right to carry!
The governor actually signed the bill, but it would have become law whether he signed it or not. The only way to stop it would have been for him to veto the bill.
On the down side, he did veto a bill prohibiting trannies from competing on girls teams. His logic was that there was no evidence that it was a problem in Indiana, so there was no need for a law prohibiting it.
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The deep state guys love their perversion.
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https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/answers-common-questions-about-ohio%E2%80%99s-new-permitless-carry-law (https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/answers-common-questions-about-ohio%E2%80%99s-new-permitless-carry-law)
Can non-residents carry concealed without a license?
Yes. While the rules for carrying a concealed handgun remain the same with or without a license, there will be no residency requirement when this law goes into effect. Someone who is otherwise a “qualifying” adult may carry with or without a license whether they reside in Ohio or another state.
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According to this, North Dakota is the only free-carry state that restricts free carry to state residents.
https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/Permitless_Carry_States.pdf
If handgunlaw.us is correct, in any free-carry state but ND, one need only be a law-abiding U.S. citizen, over 21.
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Indiana is now the 24th state to recognize the constitutional right to carry!
The governor actually signed the bill, but it would have become law whether he signed it or not. The only way to stop it would have been for him to veto the bill.
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(https://gunnersden.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/constitutional-carry-map-1-768x533.jpg)
Obviously, this map still has the Hoosiers all sad and blue. =( It is the most up-to-date map of free-carry states I found on the online.
Anyway, I notice that Illinois is now almost completely surrounded by the mad deathscape of free states. Louisiana is encircled, so that a retreat across the sea is its only escape from the howling, homicidal wastes of Texas, Mississippi, etc. The east and west coasts are completely cut off now. No doubt the bi-coastal types are having to brave the honking of Canadian geese truckers, to get across the continent in slavery safety. Just kidding - they're flying over us, as they always do.
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I'm thinking we might get one or two more but that's about it.
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I'm thinking we might get one or two more but that's about it.
The Western half of the country is done. CO and NM will never do it, and of course the coast is a lost cause. I think there's still a chance for bordering NE. I'm still surprised at all the Southern states that have blocked it.
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The progress in this area is mindblowing! :cool:
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The Western half of the country is done. CO and NM will never do it, and of course the coast is a lost cause. I think there's still a chance for bordering NE. I'm still surprised at all the Southern states that have blocked it.
The gun culture down here is full of *expletive deleted*ing idiots who believe you should be legally restricted from carrying until the government approves.
Also same idiots who say *expletive deleted*it like “my guns are registered with the police department” or “I have this but it’s not registered”. Stupid f*expletive deleted*tards are unaware that we don’t have registration laws at all.
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Looks like Constitutional Carry is back on the menu boys
BREAKING: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis Calls Special Legislative Session That Will Include Constitutional Carry
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-florida-governor-ron-desantis-calls-special-legislative-session-that-will-include-constitutional-carry/
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The Western half of the country is done. CO and NM will never do it, and of course the coast is a lost cause. I think there's still a chance for bordering NE. I'm still surprised at all the Southern states that have blocked it.
probably correct sir, NV is super-duper corrupt/stupid. ... better than Cali but getting worse and worse everyday.
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Georgia Senate Passes Constitutional Carry Bill, Governor Kemp Promises to Sign It
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/georgia-senate-passes-constitutional-carry-bill-governor-kemp-promises-to-sign-it/
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Depending on when the bill is signed, that's 4 states in as many weeks. And half the states, to boot.
The NRA has really been doing good work here, huh? =D
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Depending on when the bill is signed, that's 4 states in as many weeks. And half the states, to boot.
The NRA has really been doing good work here, huh? =D
Time to issue a statement taking credit and a new suit
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Is there blood flowing in the streets yet? I was promised rivers of blood!
Unfortunately I have NO hope of this passing any time soon in Virginia.
Even though Republicans now control the Virginia house and Gov's office, and has a good chance of grabbing the senate next year if things continue on the current path, most of the Republicans that have been elected are "modern" Republicans... you know, Republicans in name, Democrats in thought and action.
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Now that Georgia will have con-carry, does that put additional pressure on their neighbor to the south, and the politicians thereof? Or does it just not work like that?
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Is there blood flowing in the streets yet? I was promised rivers of blood!.
Doesn’t become law yet until June.
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Now that Georgia will have con-carry, does that put additional pressure on their neighbor to the south, and the politicians thereof? Or does it just not work like that?
Desantis has momentum, he should be demanding the state house put that on his desk.
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Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2022/03/florida-governor-calls-for-special-session-supports-constitutional-carry/#ixzz7PMdjSztc
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Florida Governor Calls for Special Session; Supports Constitutional Carry
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/03/florida-governor-calls-for-special-session-supports-constitutional-carry/#axzz7PMdf7IMT
From what I heard it was one or two Republicans in the Florida legislature that were holding it up. Hopefully, this adds a little more pressure in an election year. I think their primaries are in the summer.
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Doesn’t become law yet until June.
That doesn't matter one bit! The blood must flow!
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Time to issue a statement taking credit and a new suit
And here's the statement
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nra-ila-happy-that-half-the-states-have-constitutional-carry-thank-the-nra/
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Signed by the Governor in Georgia:
https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3265892-georgia-governor-signs-permit-less-handgun-carry-bill-into-law/
The Hill says "about 20" other states have it. They just didn't want to make it sound like "half". :laugh:
Also, Stacy Abrams, you know - the real governor of Georgia - is trying to make "criminal carry" catch on.
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Also, Stacy Abrams, you know - the real governor of Georgia - is trying to make "criminal carry" catch on.
That is so stupid it almost hurts.
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Also, Stacy Abrams, you know - the real governor of Georgia - is trying to make "criminal carry" catch on.
The real criminals already had "criminal carry." Thanks to the 5th Amendment and the Supreme Court, criminals carrying illegally don't even have to admit to it, because they can't be required to make self-incriminating statements.
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And here's the statement
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nra-ila-happy-that-half-the-states-have-constitutional-carry-thank-the-nra/
I don't care if the NRA wants to take some credit for some of this. They have had some part in this nationally. However, I think they hurt themselves and the 2nd amendment in the long run by not giving credit to local state affiliate organizations. Those groups need the support and publicity and they are the front line at the state level, not the NRA.
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I don't care if the NRA wants to take some credit for some of this. They have had some part in this nationally. However, I think they hurt themselves and the 2nd amendment in the long run by not giving credit to local state affiliate organizations. Those groups need the support and publicity and they are the front line at the state level, not the NRA.
The NRA hurt us in more ways than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
Attorney Alan Gura, in a 2003 filing, used the term "sham litigation" to describe the NRA's attempts to have Parker (aka Heller) consolidated with its own case challenging the D.C. law. Gura also stated that "the NRA was adamant about not wanting the Supreme Court to hear the case".[55] These concerns were based on NRA lawyers' assessment that the justices at the time the case was filed might reach an unfavorable decision.[56] Cato Institute senior fellow Robert Levy, co-counsel to the Parker plaintiffs, has stated that the Parker plaintiffs "faced repeated attempts by the NRA to derail the litigation."[57] He also stated that "The N.R.A.'s interference in this process set us back and almost killed the case. It was a very acrimonious relationship.
The NRA also initially opposed McDonald. They had their own Chicago case, which wasn't gaining any traction in the courts. When they couldn't get McDonald stopped, they then petitioned the court to allow their lawyers to take some of the time that was allotted to the plaintiff's attorneys to argue their case.
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Signed by the Governor in Georgia:
https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3265892-georgia-governor-signs-permit-less-handgun-carry-bill-into-law/
The Hill says "about 20" other states have it. They just didn't want to make it sound like "half". :laugh:
Also, Stacy Abrams, you know - the real governor of Georgia - is trying to make "criminal carry" catch on.
Abrams vows to repeal Constitutional Carry if elected
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/05/02/abrams-vows-to-repeal-constitutional-carry-if-elected-n57875
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But... I thought Abrams was already the elected governor?
Why didn't she just veto it from whatever roadside fleabag she calls her goobernatorial mansion?