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Title: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2022, 08:37:56 AM
Idaho made it to 49, or more correctly, 2nd place, in Everytown's latest "gun safety report".  =D

I really liked reading about our "out of control gun violence".

https://www.bigcountrynewsconnection.com/idaho/gun-control-group-claims-idaho-among-weakest-states-on-gun-safety/article_ea06c288-9bbc-11ec-afce-87733e598a6c.html

https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: MillCreek on March 04, 2022, 08:45:14 AM
^^^I had to check, and as with so many other things, Mississippi is at the bottom. 
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Boomhauer on March 04, 2022, 08:48:24 AM
^^^I had to check, and as with so many other things, Mississippi is at the bottom. 

When liberals claim that states are the “worst ever” for a given issue I find that it means that it’s a state where there is a lot more freedom than their ideal state which on a given issue is no better and usually a lot worse in reality. Basically “among the worst” means not enough tax dollar theft to satisfy the “Big government is the best at everything” retards.

The liberals love to claim that my state is “among the worst” on education but we don’t have schools where a .3 GPA is “top half of the class” like Baltimore, MD.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2022, 08:52:17 AM
You can start calling yourselves the 49ers  :rofl:
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 04, 2022, 09:00:11 AM
Yes!! My state is a "national failure."  :rofl:
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2022, 09:17:22 AM
^^^I had to check, and as with so many other things, Mississippi is at the bottom.

Says the guy living in the top "making progress" state. :P  =D
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Pb on March 04, 2022, 09:24:09 AM

I really liked reading about our "out of control gun violence".


With that murder rate of 2.2 per hundred thousand.  Less than one third of the American average.   ;/
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2022, 09:28:29 AM
With that murder rate of 2.2 per hundred thousand.  Less than one third of the American average.   ;/

Reading through their rigorous research for all states, I found the terms "Possibly", "Perhaps", and "Might be" used an inordinate amount of times.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: MillCreek on March 04, 2022, 09:43:25 AM
Says the guy living in the top "making progress" state. :P  =D

Speaking of which, we are probably going to end up with a magazine restriction signed into law.  Grrr.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2022, 09:45:14 AM
Speaking of which, we are probably going to end up with a magazine restriction signed into law.  Grrr.

People outside of the Seattle metro have to be fuming.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 04, 2022, 10:30:58 AM
Oklahoma is at 44. I really think we can do better I'd like to be us at 47 or 48 next year.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 04, 2022, 10:36:33 AM
I live in one of their safest-rated states. I'm so safe that I try VERY hard not to go into the nearby city -- ever. The range where I shoot is on the other side of the city, and to get there I intentionally take a route that's five miles longer to go around the city rather than through it.

I don't feel safer here than I would feel in Idaho. I would love to be able to move to Idaho. Or Montana, or Wyoming, or South Dakota.

I'm puzzled -- according to them, the national average for gun deaths per 100,000 population is 30. EVERY state on their list is less than the national average so ... where did the national average come from?
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2022, 10:43:09 AM
I don't feel safer here than I would feel in Idaho. I would love to be able to move to Idaho. Or Montana, or Wyoming, or South Dakota.

I was actually surprised that Montana was #48. They have been getting Californicated for much longer than Idaho, but seem to be holding strong. I don't know what the "liberals moving into South Dakota" situation is, but Wyoming seems to be holding strong against the Jackson Hole jackwagons.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Nick1911 on March 04, 2022, 10:43:36 AM
Only barely in the "national failure" category.  We can do better!

Yet, our gun murder rate is less than this lists #1 golden child?  Yea......
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 04, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
We need to know how they define their "gun violence death rate." I'm sure it's not based just on mass shootings. So my guess is that it includes murders (of all kinds), gang shoot-outs, suicides, and police officer-involved-shootings. As far as I'm concerned, that's a bogus statistic. Yes, it's unfortunate when anyone commits suicide, but my daughter has made eight or nine conformed attempts and none of them involved a firearm. I knew a guy who committed suicide by parking his truck on an Amtrak main line. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, so I discount suicides from "gun violence" statistics off the top.

I also discount officer-involved-shootings. Yes, they are violent and yes they involve firearms -- but they are not the sort of "gun violence" law abiding citizens need to concern themselves with. Our state police are -- in general -- a bunch of jackbooted thugs, and so are  several municipal departments in the state, but I haven't seen or heard any reports (credible or not) of anyone being shot to death for running a red light in this state.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2022, 12:28:20 PM
I was reading further into their methodology, and yes, suicides are a large factor.

Stupid, of course. Yes, if you have a gun handy, it is usually a quick way out for someone willing to pull the trigger on themselves. If you don't have a gun handy, there are all kinds of relatively painless ways to off yourself. Suicides are a poor gun control argument, IMO.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: HankB on March 04, 2022, 12:30:00 PM
. . .
I'm puzzled -- according to them, the national average for gun deaths per 100,000 population is 30. EVERY state on their list is less than the national average so ... where did the national average come from?
I'd guess a correction factor was applied to the actual data so the analysis would support the desired conclusion. This is the same general methodology applied to actual temperature records to "prove" global warming is real.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: HeroHog on March 04, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
27 Louisiana - WAY to high on the list for me!  :'(
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: 230RN on March 04, 2022, 04:49:30 PM
When liberals claim that states are the “worst ever” for a given issue I find that it means that it’s a state where there is a lot more freedom than their ideal state which on a given issue is no better and usually a lot worse in reality. Basically “among the worst” means not enough tax dollar theft to satisfy the “Big government is the best at everything” retards.

The liberals love to claim that my state is “among the worst” on education but we don’t have schools where a .3 GPA is “top half of the class” like Baltimore, MD.

Like.

When their definition of "best" is agreed to by 50.0001% of the <ahem, koff-koff>"voters" it will become the Law of the Land for 49.9999% of the <ahem, koff-koff>"voters," and up yours anyhow.

Terry
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: MechAg94 on March 04, 2022, 08:03:13 PM
If you click on the state, it provides a helpful list of issues they are rating the state by.  Makes a handy list of things to evaluate to do better next year.
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Bogie on March 04, 2022, 11:19:31 PM
Yes!! My state is a "national failure."  :rofl:

Missouri's major problem with firearms stuff is that the City Prosecutor for St. Louis seems to love criminals...
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Andiron on March 05, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
If we get Constitutional carry do you think Ohio can make the national failure list?

And they want to bring up "gun violence rate".  So does that mean crime statistics are back on the table?
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 05, 2022, 08:14:05 PM

And they want to bring up "gun violence rate".  So does that mean crime statistics are back on the table?

Only crimes committed by white people with guns against POC. Otherwise, it's either [mostly] peaceful protesting, or "reparations."
Title: Re: We're 49th! We're 49th!
Post by: Andiron on March 05, 2022, 08:52:13 PM
Only crimes committed by white people with guns against POC. Otherwise, it's either [mostly] peaceful protesting, or "reparations."

Hey wait a minute,  being the only person here not afraid of getting called a racist is my job...