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Title: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: wingnutx on April 19, 2007, 07:28:49 AM
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1859:



H. R. 1859

To reinstate the prohibition on the possession or transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and to strengthen that prohibition.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


April 16, 2007


Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


A BILL

To reinstate the prohibition on the possession or transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and to strengthen that prohibition.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,



SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.


This Act may be cited as the `Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007'.



SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.


(a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Sections 921(a)(31) and 922(w), and the last sentence of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.


(b) Reinstatement of Provision Partially Repealed- Section 924(a)(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:


`(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), (r), or (w) of section 922;'.



SEC. 3. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.


(a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device-


(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (z) the following:


`(aa) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.


(2) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a)(30) and Appendix A of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.


(3) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:


`(Cool Whoever knowingly violates section 922(aa) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'.


(b) Certification Requirement-


(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--


(A) in paragraph (3)--


(i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and


(ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph (C); and


(B) by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following:


`(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.'.


(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a)(3) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:


`(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: wingnutx on April 19, 2007, 07:51:16 AM
Here's the bill author demonstrating that she doesn't know what her own legislation really restricts:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/18/video-carolyn-mccarthy-doesnt-understand-her-own-gun-control-legislation/

Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: The Rabbi on April 19, 2007, 07:57:35 AM
How does this differ from HR1022, which did the same thing but included "assault weapons"?  Why does anyone think this has any better chance of passing than anything else she has done?
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Manedwolf on April 19, 2007, 08:01:10 AM
As a side note, the official listing of HR 1022 still excludes "level" actions, not "lever".

As others have said, it's obvious how well the authors know their subject.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: The Rabbi on April 19, 2007, 08:34:42 AM
Hey, I got a couple of them level action guns.  Real tack-drivers.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: wingnutx on April 19, 2007, 08:53:50 AM
I don't think it has any better chance of passing than 1022, but thought it mightbe of interest.

McCarthy was on NPR yesterday saying that they are going to start using the term "gun safety" since people don't respond well to "gun control."

Yay, newspeak.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: BakerMikeRomeo on April 19, 2007, 08:54:09 AM
Hey, I got a couple of them level action guns.  Real tack-drivers.

Yeah, but you gotta watch out, or that little bubble'll get away from ya'.

~GnSx
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Manedwolf on April 19, 2007, 09:06:05 AM
I don't think it has any better chance of passing than 1022, but thought it mightbe of interest.

McCarthy was on NPR yesterday saying that they are going to start using the term "gun safety" since people don't respond well to "gun control."

Yay, newspeak.

Sure. Gun safety! Thankfully, that's already been taken care of, with a spokes-mascot, too.  smiley



Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Eleven Mike on April 19, 2007, 12:33:48 PM
Here's the bill author demonstrating that she doesn't know what her own legislation really restricts:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/18/video-carolyn-mccarthy-doesnt-understand-her-own-gun-control-legislation/



Sweet.  grin  A barrel shroud is "the shoulder thing that goes up."   laugh
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Manedwolf on April 19, 2007, 12:40:28 PM
Here's the bill author demonstrating that she doesn't know what her own legislation really restricts:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/18/video-carolyn-mccarthy-doesnt-understand-her-own-gun-control-legislation/



Sweet.  grin  A barrel shroud is "the shoulder thing that goes up."   laugh

 shocked cheesy
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: wingnutx on April 19, 2007, 01:12:36 PM
Everyone knows that the shoulder thing is actually called a gonkulator.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: The Rabbi on April 19, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
Everyone knows that the shoulder thing is actually called a gonkulator.

Hey, don't knock that gonkulator.  I got one on my level action rifle.  Man, it's a tack driver.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Fly320s on April 19, 2007, 01:53:04 PM
Tack driver?  You mean like a hammer?  Or a high-heeled shoe?

Oh, yeah, now I get it.  Congress critters know all about getting hammered and high heel shoes.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Sergeant Bob on April 19, 2007, 01:55:44 PM
Everyone knows that the shoulder thing is actually called a gonkulator.

Hey, don't knock that gonkulator.  I got one on my level action rifle.  Man, it's a tack driver.
Trouble with those level action rifles though, ya can't shoot downhill with them. cool
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Matthew Carberry on April 19, 2007, 02:53:32 PM
Everyone knows that the shoulder thing is actually called a gonkulator.

Hey, don't knock that gonkulator.  I got one on my level action rifle.  Man, it's a tack driver.
Trouble with those level action rifles though, ya can't shoot downhill with them. cool

Alas, if only threads couldn't go downhill....  grin
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Antibubba on April 19, 2007, 08:13:20 PM
Quote
Trouble with those level action rifles though, ya can't shoot downhill with them.

I wish we could send some of them to the Middle East.  It would cut way down on all those Ay-rabs shooting into the air at weddings and funerals.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Fly320s on April 20, 2007, 03:38:42 AM
Level rifles are a plumb crazy idea. grin
Title: Barrel Shroud
Post by: xavier fremboe on April 20, 2007, 05:02:01 AM
So, no more draping a doily over my Model 70?
Title: Re: Barrel Shroud
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 20, 2007, 06:44:16 AM
So, no more draping a doily over my Model 70?

Why would you ask a question like that?  Who are you planning to kill, you sicko?   shocked
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Sergeant Bob on April 20, 2007, 07:07:40 AM
Level rifles are a plumb crazy idea. grin
Thats a really, really, bad pun. Hahahaha!
Title: Re: Barrel Shroud
Post by: Manedwolf on April 20, 2007, 08:47:19 AM
So, no more draping a doily over my Model 70?

Why would you ask a question like that?  Who are you planning to kill, you sicko?   shocked

Headline: "Rampage at Afternoon Society Tea"...  grin
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: MechAg94 on April 20, 2007, 10:04:23 AM
Level rifles are a plumb crazy idea. grin
grin laugh laugh
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: K Frame on April 20, 2007, 11:26:38 AM
I bought 6 30-round AR-15 magazines and 3 13-round Browning Hi Power magazines yesterday.

I'll buy more if I think this piece of crap might advance.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Manedwolf on April 20, 2007, 12:07:51 PM
I bought 6 30-round AR-15 magazines and 3 13-round Browning Hi Power magazines yesterday.

I'll buy more if I think this piece of crap might advance.

Likewise.

I'd personally recommend to keep checking bravocompanyusa.com's site. Their US-made contract magazines are excellent, and a 10-pack shipped for $109 really wasn't bad. Really top-notch mags, green follower, gray teflon, lots of people say they're indistinguishable from Bushmaster factory ones. I like them, myself. They work. They're also NOT LEO-marked, which might be good for people in some particularly paranoid states.

They're sold out right now, is all. Probably due to this!



Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: mtnbkr on April 20, 2007, 01:00:49 PM
AimSurplus' C Products mags are good (can get them directly from C Products for a buck or so more).

C Products isn't showing out of stock as of last night.  AIM is out of stock on the 9.95 ones, but they're taking backorders and claim they'll be in next week.

The AR Stoner mags from Midway are good, but are $15ish without a dealer discount (you did get your TYpe 03 FFL and send it to them, correct?).

Chris
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 20, 2007, 02:29:02 PM
Here's the bill author demonstrating that she doesn't know what her own legislation really restricts:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/18/video-carolyn-mccarthy-doesnt-understand-her-own-gun-control-legislation/



In her defense as a lefty wingbat, most legislators have thier legislation drawn up for them by special interest groups and/or staffers.  IMHO they often know little about most bills that go forth unless its very near and dear to thier heart.  She's just a good lockstepper doing what her masters tell her to do.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Eleven Mike on April 20, 2007, 07:58:51 PM
True.  But she didn't have to look so stupid doing it.  The shoulder thing that goes up?  I love that.   grin
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: 280plus on April 21, 2007, 07:37:47 AM
Hell, I think the most telling thing was how she tried to talk her way around the answer at LEAST twice before admitting she didn't know. That's GOT to be the most blatant attempt at question dodging I have ever seen.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Tallpine on April 21, 2007, 08:36:53 AM
I wonder if it has ever occured to these anti-gun politicians that all these proposed (and sometimes actual: 1994 AWB) legislation actually increase the sales of semi-autos and large capacity magazines by probably a hundredfold ...?   rolleyes

Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Manedwolf on April 21, 2007, 08:40:54 AM
I wonder if it has ever occured to these anti-gun politicians that all these proposed (and sometimes actual: 1994 AWB) legislation actually increase the sales of semi-autos and large capacity magazines by probably a hundredfold ...?   rolleyes



The surest way to make Americans want something is to tell them they can't have it.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Antibubba on April 21, 2007, 09:35:18 AM
As an American with a Dial-up Disability I haven't seen the video, but from what y'all are saying, the bill is rife with inaccuracies.  This does present a unique opportunity to defend against this type of legislation: a bill prohibiting non-existent guns and features, like fully-automatic 10 gauge shotguns, "Gonkulators", self-expanding magazines, and atomizing bullets.  Items such as these can be swapped out with real items, like semiauto shotguns, as "concessions" to the banners.  Once the bill contains nothing but nonsense, the final step will be to rally for a 20-year ban, with a provision quietly slipped in about no other gun bans in that time.

I'd sure miss my gonkulators, but I'm sure someone could fabricate a reasonable substitute.
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Tallpine on April 21, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
The only reason that I bought a semi-auto rifle was because of the AWB Tongue

I actually prefer level action rifles, but then I'm sort of a square Wink
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: The Rabbi on April 21, 2007, 04:54:27 PM
As an American with a Dial-up Disability I haven't seen the video, but from what y'all are saying, the bill is rife with inaccuracies.  This does present a unique opportunity to defend against this type of legislation: a bill prohibiting non-existent guns and features, like fully-automatic 10 gauge shotguns, "Gonkulators", self-expanding magazines, and atomizing bullets.  Items such as these can be swapped out with real items, like semiauto shotguns, as "concessions" to the banners.  Once the bill contains nothing but nonsense, the final step will be to rally for a 20-year ban, with a provision quietly slipped in about no other gun bans in that time.

I'd sure miss my gonkulators, but I'm sure someone could fabricate a reasonable substitute.

Hey, don't knock the 10ga full auto with Gonkulator.  I got one.  Man, it's a tack driver!
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 21, 2007, 09:12:38 PM
Great, Antibubba, just great.  Just because you've never seen a gonkulator or a self-expanding magazine you think it's ok to ban them.   rolleyes  Haven't you learned anything from the Zumbo incident? 

Traitors in our midst, guys.    sad
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: red headed stranger on April 22, 2007, 06:24:19 AM
You can have my gonkulator when you pry it from my cold dead hands! 
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Tallpine on April 22, 2007, 06:50:04 AM
You can have my gonkulator when you explain to me what it looks like Tongue
Title: Re: H.R. 1859 Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007
Post by: Manedwolf on April 22, 2007, 07:16:50 AM
Obama on Saturday in Nashua:

Quote
Obama also took issue with the sale of semi-automatic weapons, like the one used in the Virginia shootings, calling for sensible gun control.

"I don't hunt myself, but I respect hunters and sportsman," Obama said, "But I don't know of any self-respecting hunter that needs 19 rounds of anything. You don't shoot 19 rounds at a deer, and if you do, you shouldn't be hunting."

My safe is going to look like a Mec-Gar warehouse if this rhetoric keeps going.