Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Pb on July 07, 2023, 08:39:02 PM
-
Complete Glock clone lowers for $50. I'm not sure how they are doing this.
I remember when AK-47s were cheap and AR15s were expensive.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/daily-deals-new.html?avad=234121_d31bda039&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl
-
I weep for my state.
-
I weep for my state.
???
-
???
Yeah, me too.
Maybe that was posted in the wrong thread?
-
WA has an "assault weapons" ban.
-
That link doesn't work for me, btw. Good thing too, I don't need any more guns
-
Ah! He's in Washington.
That sucks
Beautiful state, sucky laws
-
That link doesn't work for me, btw. Good thing too, I don't need any more guns
Works for me now.
-
Is a PSA AR a serviceable rifle? Are they know to be reliable?
Because a 350 dollar AR is pretty attractive.
A 350 dollar AR that requires a few simple mods is an unreliable rife.
Any experiences?
-
Is a PSA AR a serviceable rifle? Are they know to be reliable?
Because a 350 dollar AR is pretty attractive.
A 350 dollar AR that requires a few simple mods is an unreliable rife.
Any experiences?
PSAs are usually considered decent rifles.
-
I got the, I forget if it was called the freedom rifle or classic rifle kit, built it around a $50 Anderson lower, and it has just worked.
It was actually my first build. The parts aren't top quality, but the parts are, in general, good quality, and work. Now that I've built more rifles, there are a few parts I would change out having found personal favorites in things like triggers and selectors, but for a basic AR, PSA has great deals and the parts are decent quality. JMO.
-
I weep for my state.
You don't weep alone.
-
psa is breddygud
Thanks guys! Don't know exactly what I will do with that info, but thanks!
-
Thanks guys! Don't know exactly what I will do with that info, but thanks!
I reckon everybody needs at least one PSA AR. If nothing else, as a beater or loaner for friends learning to shoot or the zombie apocalypse. Plus the whole "mail order rifle kit for cheap" sticks it to the man and to David Hogg. =D
-
I reckon everybody needs at least one PSA AR. If nothing else, as a beater or loaner for friends learning to shoot or the zombie apocalypse. Plus the whole "mail order rifle kit for cheap" sticks it to the man and to David Hogg. =D
And if you have trouble assembling it shoot Hogg a message. He's the expert on everything
-
As far as anyone knows I've never built and troubleshot ARs.
But a store bought one or three looks attractive.
-
Is a PSA AR a serviceable rifle? Are they know to be reliable?
Because a 350 dollar AR is pretty attractive.
A 350 dollar AR that requires a few simple mods is an unreliable rife.
Any experiences?
The cheap PSA's are a solid entry level AR. It won't be amazing, but it'll be reliable, if a over-gassed, and it'll shoot ball ammo to about 4 ish MOA. The barrel's nitrided on the freedom series not chrome lined, and not the FN Cold Hammer Forged barrels of their more expensive stuff.
PSA uses a Carpenter 158 bolt and a full inspected M16 bolt carrier on even their cheap builds, so that's good.
The trigger group will be mil spec ish, and probably a little crunchy, but perfectly serviceable. Plastic mil-spec iish furniture.
From what I've seen, The springs wear out a faster than the really nice brands, and since the tolerances are a little looser the whole gun will wear out a little faster. I have a freedom series upper I built from a kit, and while I don't shoot it as much as my main guns, I can see it wearing a little faster. In real world terms, just going by my estimates of wear, I'd expect one of the $350 Freedom series guns to need you to look at the extractor spring and extractor buffer, the buffer spring, and maybe the ejector spring and bolt gas rings somewhere around 5000-7000 rds. They run them over gassed for reliability with all kinds of cheap ammo, so it's a little harder on the bolt parts. I'd also want to keep an eye on the bolt carrier key for the same overgassing reason
But it'll be a serviceable, if plain jane, gun up to then, and those parts are pretty trivial to replace if they do go bad.
If it's all you can afford for HD, or you want a spare gun, I wouldn't hesitate to grab one. If you think you are going to get in to serious shooting (several thousand rounds a year, matches, carbine courses, stuff like that) I would say you'd be better served getting a nicer gun. Both because the gun will last longer and be more pleasant to shoot, and because you'll end up swapping a lot of parts off that freedom series M4 to bring it up to modern fighting rifle snuff, so you won't save that much in the end.
-
WA has an "assault weapons" ban.
Ah. There's the missing bit of information we needed to understand the context.
-
I weep for my state.
Imagine what it is like in IL-ANNOY with "Jabba" as governor. :facepalm: [barf]
-
PSA has the $90 nickel boron BCG as well. They and others have lots of AR parts pretty cheap the last few months. I have even seen sales on Daniel Defense and Geissele rifles this week. I guess the AR market is at a low point. Now is the time to get what you want if you haven't already.
I got one of these a few weeks ago. It was $550 and is now the cheapest AR I own. Shot pretty well for the few rounds I shot.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/anderson-mfg-a4-rifle-length-gas-system-ar-15-dissipator-semi-auto-5-56-nato-16-bbl-a2-front-sight-flip-up-rear-6-position-30-rd-b2-k850-a016/
-
Damn. I have zero need to finish my second Glock mag carbine. But they have cheap 9mm uppers.
-
Man, now I'm thinking about a PSA rifle kit buy for the Anderson lower I have laying around. Especially because as mentioned, ARs are cheap again right now. I, like many, was kicking myself about not buying more bulk ammo when ammo was in a dirt cheap "cycle" just before the covids. I can certainly see ARs getting expensive again soon, with the politics and such.
Though all my high end AR-ish rifles right now are PWS piston guns. I've also been thinking about either building or buying a mid-high end DI AR - maybe just grabbing an off the rack BCM and calling it good, or building another lower and putting a BCM upper on it.
-
PSA AR-10. Complete Upper: $370. Complete lower: $170
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen3-pa10-16-mid-length-nitride-308-win-1-10-classic-upper-with-bcg-ch-black.html?avad=190366_d31c624a9&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=el
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen3-pa10-308-complete-classic-ept-lower-receiver.html?avad=190366_b31c99179&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=el
-
^^^
Just be aware that large frame ARs don't have a Spec" and PSA .308 stuff is only guaranteed to work with PSA .308 stuff. You won't be able to play AR legos quite as freely with that gun.
-
^^^
Just be aware that large frame ARs don't have a Spec" and PSA .308 stuff is only guaranteed to work with PSA .308 stuff. You won't be able to play AR legos quite as freely with that gun.
Sure, which is why you would get both the upper and lower from PSA. The same can be said for an AR-10 platform from another company. If you want to play with upgrades, that is another question. This just lets someone get into a semi-auto 308 on the cheap.
-
From the cut of the upper it appears they're following more or less the LR-308 (DPMS) pattern and not the AR-10 (Armalite) pattern.
Note they're calling it a PA10
(https://www.gunbuilders.com/product_images/uploaded_images/dpms-308-upper-vs-ar10-sr25-upper-receiver.jpg)
-
From the links
The Gen3 PA10 upper receivers are functionally and aesthetically compatible with Gen2 and Gen3 PA-10 Lower receivers. However, there are external cosmetic differences when mixing Gen1 with Gen2 and Gen3 upper and lower receivers that some may not find appealing.
The AR10 platform does not enjoy a common design between manufacturers, like the AR15. As a result, there can and will be subtle differences in the parts kits of various manufacturers. Some parts, like the fire control group, are shared with the AR15 platform to preserve the options for upgrading. For best results, we recommend only using PSA PA10 parts with our uppers and lower receivers. We do not recommend using other manufacturers' parts in our products.
-
I've got a couple of the older smooth side (no FA) Armalite AR-10Bs that use modified M-14 mags.
-
Mrgunsngear has a short review update (positive) on the currently on sale for $329 Freedom Rifle:
https://youtu.be/2HwXqLD_cgU
-
Sure, which is why you would get both the upper and lower from PSA. The same can be said for an AR-10 platform from another company. If you want to play with upgrades, that is another question. This just lets someone get into a semi-auto 308 on the cheap.
Agreed, I was just adding info. Lots of folks think parts commonality is as universal on large frame ARs as it is on small frames.
-
Agreed, I was just adding info. Lots of folks think parts commonality is as universal on large frame ARs as it is on small frames.
ok. I used to own a PSA PA-10 rifle. I think it was gen 2, but I don't remember. It shot decent enough. I learned that about AR-10's then. I bought their rifle build kit and then realized there was no guarantee any other lower would work with it. So I just ordered their lower receiver. That rifle got sold during the COVID times.
If someone is not interested in the cheaper route, I recommend the Ruger SFAR rifle in 308. I have seen prices at $999 lately. It is a light weight rifle (for 308) and shoots pretty good. No issues so far, but I haven't put a great number of rounds through it. Most of the reviews I have seen like it, but are nervous about the long term reliability since Ruger shrunk things down and changes materials to compensate. I doubt I will ever put enough rounds through mine to matter. PSA's new Sabre line and the Zastava 308 AK are just a little more.
-
An AR build question for those here who have assembled AR lowers: Have you ever staked the castle nut when putting on the buffer tube?
I never have for the lowers I have built, but I don't recall any ever coming loose provided I used the wrench to tighten it more than hand tight. None of my rifles have seen hard use, but it is probably something I can easily do if needed.
-
An AR build question for those here who have assembled AR lowers: Have you ever staked the castle nut when putting on the buffer tube?
I never have for the lowers I have built, but I don't recall any ever coming loose provided I used the wrench to tighten it more than hand tight. None of my rifles have seen hard use, but it is probably something I can easily do if needed.
Yes I do now. I have had several work loose over the years.
-
Has anyone here ever steaked one? If so, what cut did you use?
-
Has anyone here ever steaked one? If so, what cut did you use?
I might be tempted to stake one. Doubt I would ever steak one as it seems like a waste of good beef.
-
Has anyone here ever steaked one? If so, what cut did you use?
Steaking it is no good because of direction of the grain in the metal. You have to fillet it.
-
Remember to T-Steak your nuts
-
Do you need any special tools when steaking, like a flat iron?
-
Do you need any special tools when steaking, like a flat iron?
I would also be curious if there is a special tool for staking.
-
I would also be curious if there is a special tool for staking.
For staking I use a good sized centerpunch, for steaking you'll need a bandsaw.
-
At the other end of the PSA product line: https://twitter.com/palmettoarmory/status/1679183956468457472?s=20
(https://i.imgur.com/XkN6KpE.jpg)
If you don't have a Mk12 clone, are you really even living?
-
What can you tell me about the above rifle?
-
I don't think I have seen any reviews yet. Right now, I am not sure if that is the best buy or not unless it proves to be excellent. Daniel Defense and Geissele rifles have been see around $1600 range in some cases and you could put together a BCM upper and lower with some of Primary Arms recent sales. With the current market, there are good alternatives that are pretty close. That may change.
-
What can you tell me about the above rifle?
Not much more that that Tweet. PSA just teased their new Sabre Mk12 Mod H (looks like).
I can tell you their "Sabre" line is their shot at a more duty grade AR. Nicer tolerances and finishes, better parts, usually around a grand for a build on forged recivers (which that picture looks like). They get good reviews against like BCM or FN factory guns.
On the Mk12 front, very briefly the Mk12 Special Purpose Reciever (later Rifle) was a USSOCOM program starting early in the GWOT to let M4's have a little more reach. The Mod 0 and Mod 1 versions had a specially profiled 18" barrel mated to a flat top M16A4 upper and usually about a 10x variable scope (usually Leupold or NightForce). Once it became a whole rifle and not just an upper they got KAC two stage triggers. The later Mod H variant had a 16" barrel (which is what PSA's looks like). All variants came with an OPS inc supressor, bipod, and one of the versions of the PRI Carbon Fiber Freefloat handguard. THe handguard is what makes a Mk12 so recognizable.
Combined with MK262 77gr ammo a Mk12 can get solid, effective hits on a torso out to 800ish yards, which really helped out units that were mostly carrying M4s in Afghanistan. Marcus Lutrell pretty famously had a Mk12 during Operation Red Wings.
I pretty regularly take my Mk12 mod 0 (ish) to 1000yds, but it's trans sonic by then and I'm not sure how effective it would be. At 800 it still hits the steel pretty hard.
(https://i.imgur.com/bJFDUGy.jpg)