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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: WLJ on August 14, 2023, 07:53:02 AM
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American (I'm assuming) owned MiG-23 crashes during an air show in MI after it appeared to catch fire in flight. Both on board ejected safely. Plane crashed into vehicles in an Apartment building's parking lot, no one hurt thankfully.
I've always liked the looks of the 23, not the greatest aircraft but it had a workman like look to it.
Pilots eject from crashing MiG-23 jet during Thunder Over Michigan air show: video
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pilots-eject-crashing-mig-23-aircraft-thunder-michigan-air-show-video
Moment pilots eject from MIG-23 fighter jet seconds before it crashes into apartment building parking lot during Detroit air show
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12402913/Pilot-ejects-moment-crashing-building-near-Willow-Run-airport-Michigan-air-show.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNLIaDMEDo0
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More info
Mig 23 Ejection Thunder Over Michigan Airshow 13 Aug 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrDWpQMRK2U
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Glad no one was killed.
I guess those Russian jets are having a hard time staying in the air anywhere in the world. Anyone know where Zelenskyy was yesterday?
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Some nice views of the the MiG-23 that crashed.
BTW: Title states the only MiG-23 Flogger (Flogger was the NATO code name) in US airspace. It's not the only one in the US though it may have been the only one flying.
Before it CRASHED at Thunder Over Michigan - LOST the only MiG-23 Flogger in US Airspace 08/13/2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilG7dg-Yak
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Slava Ukraini!
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I used to get some very up close and personal view of MIG-23s carrying both heat seekers and radar guided missile slung below the wings during excursions into the Sea of Okhotsk. We would just fly straight and level while exchanging sign language pleasantries with the Soviet pilots. It was a pretty business looking airplane. Every now and then we would get a MIG 25 to come play intercepts with us as we motored away from the area. I used to have some great pictures but they came up missing after my divorce. It is a shame this one crashed, it was a nice draw to airshows.
bob
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According to this the pilot was diagnosing a issue with the engine afterburner and was turning to land when the rear seater told him we need to eject. The pilot replied he was not ready to eject but the rear seater then pulled his ejection handle which in the 23 fires both seats.
MiG-23 Air Show Crash Preliminary Report Released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XkDRlpLeY4
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According to this the pilot was diagnosing a issue with the engine afterburner and was turning to land when the rear seater told him we need to eject. The pilot replied he was not ready to eject but the rear seater then pulled his ejection handle which in the 23 fires both seats.
MiG-23 Air Show Crash Preliminary Report Released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XkDRlpLeY4
That makes sense. Despite reports that the plane was on fire in the air, I didn't see it in the videos. What I saw was the burst of flame as each seat ejected.
It may be that a rare (in the U.S.) aircraft was lost for no valid reason.
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Bit more info in this video
Engine had possible flame out and the plane was about to stall at time of ejection according to the rear seater.
Of note another pilot had previously had a flame out in the same plane but he was able to relight.
Mig 23 Ejection UPDATE NTSB Prelim More Details
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP8M3WRj7F8
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Brownie is talking about a flameout, but the report doesn't say the engine flamed out, it says the afterburner didn't ignite. There's a big difference.
I guess I'll wait for the final report.
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Brownie is talking about a flameout, but the report doesn't say the engine flamed out, it says the afterburner didn't ignite. There's a big difference.
I guess I'll wait for the final report.
Caught that, why I said possible, could have been a flame out maybe not. Appears the front and rear seaters stories may differ a touch on just what was going on with the engine or the report and it's presentation just makes it seem that way. Time should tell.
Edit: Rewatched a bit and he does say stuck at idle then says flame out immediately after. So yeah
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Some nice views of the the MiG-23 that crashed.
BTW: Title states the only MiG-23 Flogger (Flogger was the NATO code name) in US airspace. It's not the only one in the US though it may have been the only one flying.
Before it CRASHED at Thunder Over Michigan - LOST the only MiG-23 Flogger in US Airspace 08/13/2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilG7dg-Yak
Read a story the other day that stated the rear seater owns a Mig-23 himself and is qualified in the aircraft. His Mig-23 is the single seat version, versus the twin seat trainer version he ejected from. He would have had a full set of flight instruments in the back seat of the crashed Flogger, and being very familiar with the aircraft himself, his opinion of the severity of the problem may have differed significantly from that of the pilot.
The crashed aircraft had also suffered a fuel pump issue on a previous recent flight before the issue that was behind the crash.
I suspect we'll hear a lot more about it before things quiet down.
According to that story there is a third privately owned flight worthy Mig-23 somewhere in the US, though it didn't elaborate on the number of seats. The one that crashed may have just been the only two-seater.
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Is it more dangerous ejecting during a stall vs just before?
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Is it more dangerous ejecting during a stall vs just before?
Guy in the second video says the seats in the 23 don't have auto gimbaling so they can't right themselves after ejection so they stay in whatever orientation you popped out in. It's always best to eject while you still have some control of the plane's orientation especially low and in this case it may have been critical. If the plane had rolled or pitched down suddenly their chutes may not have opened in time.
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Is it more dangerous ejecting during a stall vs just before?
Better to eject while you are still well in the seat’s envelope and have the best attitude possible. Maybe the front seater could have saved it or maybe the rear seater saved both of their lives by not being emotionally invested in the aircraft and willing to risk more in the attempt.
Depending on how unforgiving flight characteristics are a stall might immediately be followed by a spin or even a roll or other nastiness.
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Read a story the other day that stated the rear seater owns a Mig-23 himself and is qualified in the aircraft. His Mig-23 is the single seat version, versus
More proof that we can't rely on the media. What I've read is that the rear seater is a former military pilot, but NOT type-certified for the MiG-23. He was pursuing type certification.
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Depending on how unforgiving flight characteristics are a stall might immediately be followed by a spin or even a roll or other nastiness.
I'm not a pilot, but there have been several in the family so I know a little. What I have read informs me that the MiG-23 has a sudden and virtually unrecoverable stall.