Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on January 23, 2024, 03:09:27 PM
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Have you guys seen this? It's all over the medias.
This apparently famous youtube piano player plays a piano in a public space in a big mall. During a recent performance while his cameraman was filming him, some Chinese people approached him and said he was not allowed to film them because of Chinese "image privacy" laws apparently.
I ended up watching the entire 40min video of the incident (there are lots of parts you can skip through to shorten it) and just wow. Also in the end the UK cops pretty much took the side of the Chinese. As of today, the piano he was playing has been cordoned off and security guards placed there. :rofl:
Also it appears the Chinese are now youtube stars with millions of views because this went viral. :rofl:
Original; full video:
https://youtu.be/65iwnI2hjAA
Updates (short):
https://youtu.be/6BIm-vF-YeY
https://youtu.be/Bm3o18j0MFY
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A master class in how to ensure Chinese dignitaries are videoed and put on YouTube every time they land in the west.
I kinda hope the Commies meet some of those YouTube "pranksters" that run around.
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A master class in how to ensure Chinese dignitaries are videoed and put on YouTube every time they land in the west.
I kinda hope the Commies meet some of those YouTube "pranksters" that run around.
And did you see the part where the one Chinaman got aggroed up like he was gonna put down the piano player?
https://youtu.be/65iwnI2hjAA?t=799
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So Chinese laws are enforceable in the UK? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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My response?
"You're not in China. Chinese laws don't apply here. If you want Chinese laws to apply, go back to China."
Of course, in Britain, you'd be immediately jailed for a hate crime.
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My response?
"You're not in China. Chinese laws don't apply here. If you want Chinese laws to apply, go back to China."
Of course, in Britain, you'd be immediately jailed for a hate crime.
Pretty much what the guy in the video said, and also pretty much the lady cop's reaction. It was apparently racist of him to call the flags they were holding "Chinese communist flags".
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I mean, it worked out for him, because now we all know the YouTube channel of some random British pianist, but the best response is probably some version of: "No, I will not stop doing [thing I am allowed to do] and I don't care to discuss it with you. If you are uncomfortable you can leave." And then go back to doing your thing and decline to engage any further.
Less chance to get yelled at, that guy to loose his temper, and you to (in the US) have to shoot him that way.
But it's working out for this guy. I bet his channel is seeing record traffic.
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And in the most predictable outcome yet, the internet has ID'd them all, provided names, social media accounts, and in one case employers. Way to stay under the RADAR commies.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1749634413082935546?s=20
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And in the most predictable outcome yet, the internet has ID'd them all, provided names, social media accounts, and in one case employers. Way to stay under the RADAR commies.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1749634413082935546?s=20
Fascinating. Not only are some of them apparently British or dual citizens, but at least some of them have a social media presence, yet are saying they can't be on youtube. :rofl:
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It is becoming evident that the Chinese people were making their own video. Ironic that they didn't have a problem filming British citizens without permission, but they (the Chinese) didn't want anyone to film them.
It's also coming out that several of the Chinese are apparently CCP (Chinese Communist Party) functionaries of some sort. They are no trying to get the video taken down, with the result that Brendan (the British pianist) has now appeared on multiple talk shows and podcasts to discuss the incident, and the video has been copied and uploaded all over the Internet.
The Chinese aren't getting any sympathy, and that Transit Authority policewoman is being raked over the coals -- deservedly.
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and that Transit Authority policewoman is being raked over the coals -- deservedly.
Absolutely. It's like the UK now has a special totalitarian division specifically to kibosh free speech (and thought). Also, what's the transit authority doing in a mall?
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"Also, what's the transit authority doing in a mall?"
Ensuring that people are transiting within the law, obviously!
Cheerio!
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Absolutely. It's like the UK now has a special totalitarian division specifically to kibosh free speech (and thought). Also, what's the transit authority doing in a mall?
Is train station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Pancras_railway_station_piano
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Is train station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Pancras_railway_station_piano
Ah, okay. I thought I heard him say he was in a mall.
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Absolutely. It's like the UK now has a special totalitarian division specifically to kibosh free speech (and thought). Also, what's the transit authority doing in a mall?
I believe it isn't a mall -- I think it's an underground station.
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"Mall" is a word that is properly used for many types of public and quasi-public spaces, particularly any pedestrian area or esplanade (but not allees - but who really wants to argue the French). "Mall" in British English is not exclusive to a building full of merchants.
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So this was in the UK . . . but had I seen a bunch of Chicoms in a U.S. mall demanding they not be filmed by a musician at a mall piano, I probably would have whipped out my cell and begun filming them. Which would probably have been the reaction by a great many other bystanders. >:D
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Sorry, but it seems to me the civilized response should have been "Sorry, I won't take any more pictures" regardless of citizenship or chicomness or russcomness or Americomness or Islamness.
We speak so firmly about un-enumerated personal rights, yet...
(I know in the US if you're in a public place, you have no right to complain about picture-taking, but if a person doesn't want you to take pictures of him, that ought to be respected, "legalities" aside. Don't know how that's covered in formerly great Britain.)
That's the way I see it.
Terry, 230RN
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Sorry, but it seems to me the civilized response should have been "Sorry, I won't take any more pictures" regardless of citizenship or chicomness or russcomness or Americaness or Islamness.
We speak so firmly about personal rights, yet...
(I know in the US if you're in a public place, you have no right to complain about picture-taking, but if a person doesn't want you to take pictures of him, that ought to be respected, "legalities" aside.)
That's the way I see it.
Terry, 230RN
Except his cameraman wasn't taking their picture. They were in the background of his video.
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^ "Except his cameraman wasn't taking their picture. They were in the background of his video. "
Basically immaterial. I was going to footnote that I believe certain sects, such as the mentioned "Islamites" are pretty sticky about "graven images." Also immaterial to this particular case, but also noteworthy in terms of the general civility involved.
In general, though, "buttheads head-butting" in a conflict of perceived rights.
If the photographees were smart, they would have let it go and nobody would ever have noticed.
Go ahead, you know you want to.
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^^^ I gotta disagree
This is this guy's job. He makes (or supplements) an income by making piano posting videos.
Since he does it in full compliance with the local laws on the subject, the complainers had no moral right to ask him to ceace his livelyhood because they were doing something in the back ground. SInce several of the complainers are social media influencers themselves, they know that damn good and well.
Additionally, they were filming somthing for Chinese TV. If someone had asked them to stop do you think they would have? Or would they have busted out with filming permits and told that person to F off.
I'm not sure why the you think the "civilized" response was for the person not doing anything wrong to conform to the whims of others. If they didn't want to be videoed in a place where videoing is patently allowed, the "civilized" thing would be for them to remove themselves from that area.
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I could certainly come up with a scenario where the piano player or his camera person were the bad guy in all this, but to do so would require ignoring what happened in the video.
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Placing yourself in the field of view of the camera filming a musician in a public area is VERY DIFFERENT than if someone were following you around and sticking a camera in your face.
And it doesn't matter if the person doing the complaining is a Chicom, Islamite, or some other sect - they DON'T have any right to walk up to you and impose THEIR supposed values on you.
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Give them all a Winnie stuffed toy then take their pictures and post them everywhere. Problem will never be heard from again once they return to the motherland.
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Give them all a Winnie stuffed toy then ...
STOP TOUCHING HER! YOU ARE NOT THE SAME AGE AS HER!
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Oh bother
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As has been mentioned here, in the US you have no legal expectations of privacy, including being photographed, when in a public area and anything that can be photographed from an area accessible by the public.
I've had a few minor incidents while out and about in public with cameras but since my preferred subject is generally landscapes it isn't usually an issue. I've only had one instance where where I thought things my get "intense". I was at the marina where I keep my boat with my medium format Mamiya RB67. It is a beast of a camera that is solid metal and glass and weighs about 4 pounds. I had taken a picture of some friends walking down the dock with their guests. One of their guests, a big juiced up looking gym rat type, stopped and told me I needed to delete the picture. When I told him it was film he told me I needed to give him the film. I told him he was welcome to try and take it from me. The very public and very loud dressing down he got from his hosts was epic.
I probably could have beaten him to death with that camera and then finished the roll of film.
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Sorry, but it seems to me the civilized response should have been "Sorry, I won't take any more pictures" regardless of citizenship or chicomness or russcomness or Americomness or Islamness.
We speak so firmly about un-enumerated personal rights, yet...
(I know in the US if you're in a public place, you have no right to complain about picture-taking, but if a person doesn't want you to take pictures of him, that ought to be respected, "legalities" aside. Don't know how that's covered in formerly great Britain.)
That's the way I see it.
Terry, 230RN
Respectfully, I think you missed the point. The pianist was there to play the piano, and his videographer was there to take video of him playing the piano. If the Chinese people didn't wish to be in the video, all they had to do was to wander a few steps out of camera range.
What has come out on other web sites is that apparently they (the Chinese) were in the underground station to film some sort of video of themselves. They wanted to get a video of one of them playing the piano, but Brendan was already there. So they created a scene to try to get him off the piano and out of their way.
Rather than simply asking politely if they could use the piano for a few minutes to get some footage of their person playing.
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Now that the Chinese influencers have made themselves famous (or infamous) world-wide by making fools of themselves, they are trying mightily to get Brendan's video taken down from YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Sdi1ITUjY
Just checked -- the original video is still up. He currently has 2.32 million subscribers. The video has been viewed 8,053,350 times. I'd say if the Chinese wanted to keep their faces off the Internet, they kinda sorta failed.
There are 78,785 comments. I haven't read all of them but I've read a lot. I'd say they are running about 99.937% in Brendan's favor.
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The "civilized" thing to have been done is for the freaking Chicoms to WALK AWAY FROM THE CAMERA ZONE.
Instead, they come streaming in demanding that a guy doing a completely legal thing stop doing that legal thing and citing unenforceable Chicom law, which applies only in China.
The ONLY lack of civility was by a bunch of *expletive deleted*ing ****** who think ***** law trumps all.
And now it turns out that the Chicoms are making a bunch of allegations against the piano player, ranging from "playing a discriminatory song" to borderline sexual assault.
*expletive deleted*ck.
Them.
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My response?
"You're not in China. Chinese laws don't apply here. If you want Chinese laws to apply, go back to China."
Of course, in Britain, you'd be immediately jailed for a hate crime.
Many Chinese, particularly those in the CCP, still have the old Chinese mindset of China being the Middle Kingdom or the center of the world and China is the one and only civilized country while everyone else is an uncivilized barbarian. There is China and only China and everyone else must bow down to them since that is the natural way of things. This colors much of their interactions with the "barbarians" of the world. You may be seeing of this on display here.
Honestly though I've seen some Americans with a similar mindset.
And French
And English
And......
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The guy's response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2nMBpjrsE
Streisand effect strikes again.
More:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhx0Mn149Y
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The guy's response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2nMBpjrsE
Streisand effect strikes again.
More:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhx0Mn149Y
The more information that comes out, the worse the authoritarians (Chicoms and UK Transit cops) look.
I love it! :rofl:
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More follow-up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFVPZKgmjAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1FcqzwA7uY
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I wish I understood how to use twitter, I looked for 5 minutes never saw names/info on the chicoms, all I could glean is they were from some things called "Confucius institute" whatever that is .
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More follow-up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFVPZKgmjAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1FcqzwA7uY
Ah, thanks.
I understand YouTube.
gosh, Asian girls are so cute, I wish I was really important and influential so they would send me some of their gorgeous spies to spy me.
Anyways, this whole thing reminds me a lot of those YouTube first amendment videos, I spend a lot of time following those.
the serious ones like "audit the audit" cover fascinating legal arguments about 1st amendment case law.
My primary interest in 2nd amendment case law and activism , but 1A is also very interesting .
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Anyways, this whole thing reminds me a lot of those YouTube first amendment videos, I spend a lot of time following those.
the serious ones like "audit the audit" cover fascinating legal arguments about 1st amendment case law.
Those 1st Amendment "auditors" have a lot of politicians spooked. Late last year, the town I work for had a stand-down so the powers that be could lecture all us minions on what we could and couldn't refuse to strangers who show up asking questions.
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Prequel to "the incident":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhx0Mn149Y
Apparently some of the group had no problem being in Brendan's video -- until their handler told them they shouldn't do that.
The woman who shook Brendan's hand is the same one the loudmouth later accused Brendan of "touching."