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Title: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: The Rabbi on May 17, 2007, 05:23:52 PM
Here's the new Adams dollar coin:



Here's the Peace dollar from the 20s:



Which one looks like currency and which one like tokens for Roy's House of Thrills?
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: glockfan.45 on May 17, 2007, 06:18:59 PM
 "IN GOD WE TRVST"  undecided . I do like the design of the old coins much better however.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: roo_ster on May 17, 2007, 06:21:52 PM
At least they put an American citizen on the dollar coin this time, rather than Sacajewia.

Good Gooberment types are always pimping a dollar coin, but the rest of us disdain them.  I need more change like I need a hole in the head.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2007, 06:55:30 PM
Excellent.  You can pay me one dollar coin for each hole I drill in your head.   smiley
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: MattC on May 17, 2007, 07:52:40 PM
Dollar coins make sense because they save the government money, but they aren't user friendly and that's why they fail.  Paper bills are just so much easier to carry due to weight and flexibility.

And Rabbi is absolutely right about the game token appearance.  It's mainly the $1 stamp rather than spelling it out.

Something I noticed right away was the lack of "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum" in the pictures.  I did a little Google search and it turns out that both of these will be printed on the rim of the coin instead.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: meinbruder on May 17, 2007, 08:38:49 PM
The only problem I've ever had with a dollar coin is the telling the difference from a quarter without looking at it.  On the other hand, I've received more than a dollar in change from a less than a dollar purchase on more than one occasion.  The last time I saw any here in Portland, they were being kicked out of the light rail ticket vendors and automated post office equipment.  The look on peoples faces was priceless when I commented on the Wojohowicsz dollars.
}:)>
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: K Frame on May 18, 2007, 03:05:44 AM
Every dollar coin the government comes out with is fated to fail until Congress has the testicular fortitude to eliminate the worthless dollar bill.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Manedwolf on May 18, 2007, 03:08:48 AM
At least they put an American citizen on the dollar coin this time, rather than Sacajewia.

I do hope that was sarcasm, being that her people were here first and all...
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 18, 2007, 03:12:59 AM
What do you mean, sarcasm?  She wasn't an American citizen, so far as I know.  But I don't understand the objection either. 
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: The Rabbi on May 18, 2007, 04:06:04 AM
"IN GOD WE TRVST"  undecided . I do like the design of the old coins much better however.

Yeah, the archaizing tendency was to substitute v for u, just like the Romans did.  It was classy.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: HankB on May 18, 2007, 04:28:48 AM
Another difference between the "new" dollar coin and the Peace dollar from the 1920s . . . the latter was made of a material that gave it an intrinsic value.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Creeping Incrementalism on May 18, 2007, 04:31:03 AM
Every dollar coin the government comes out with is fated to fail until Congress has the testicular fortitude to eliminate the worthless dollar bill.

Personally, I would like to see the trend go the other way.  Make paper notes for sub-dollar amounts.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Art Eatman on May 18, 2007, 05:11:57 AM
Yuck!  I've dealt with paper small-money in several foreign countries.  Yuck again!  Terrible idea!

Sacajawea?  Hey, she was here first, wasn't she?  Me, I'd figure her citizenship was a given!  Lewis and Clark were illegal immigrants.  The advance guard of a pack of thieves.

But I prefer the sculpture of the Morgan dollar to the Peace dollar.

I grew up with real silver money, and half-dollars were in regular circulation.  Silver dollars, not so much.  Silver dollars were heavy on one's pocket lining.  Made holes.

Now that our socialist policies have pretty much wiped out the buying power, I don't see the point of a dollar coin, other than some sort of unworldly view of the world of money...

Art   
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 18, 2007, 05:33:47 AM
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Sacajawea?  Hey, she was here first, wasn't she?  Me, I'd figure her citizenship was a given!  Lewis and Clark were illegal immigrants.

No, they were not illegal immigrants.  They were emissaries of the U.S. govt, and stopped to treat with the various tribes or nations they encountered.  At best, the other European powers might have protested their presence on land they claimed as their own.  If the expedition broke any native "laws," it would be interesting to learn of them, and why they were granted "amnesty" by the native leaders which they encountered.   
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: doczinn on May 18, 2007, 05:52:37 AM
I like the idea of a dollar coin - but you've got to be able to tell the difference, with a hand in your pocket. Personally, I'd go smaller, not larger, and make it the circumference of a dime, but about 3 times as thick.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Sindawe on May 18, 2007, 06:08:55 AM
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Something I noticed right away was the lack of "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum" in the pictures.  I did a little Google search and it turns out that both of these will be printed on the rim of the coin instead.

Of course such phrases are stamped on the rim.  It is a symbolic way of marginalizing basic American ideals.

As others have noted, it looks like a game token.  Also reminds me of some of the Euro coins I've seen.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: K Frame on May 18, 2007, 06:39:04 AM
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Something I noticed right away was the lack of "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum" in the pictures.  I did a little Google search and it turns out that both of these will be printed on the rim of the coin instead.

Of course such phrases are stamped on the rim.  It is a symbolic way of marginalizing basic American ideals.

As others have noted, it looks like a game token.  Also reminds me of some of the Euro coins I've seen.


Uhm.... Yeah.

Whatever.  rolleyes
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: HankB on May 18, 2007, 08:32:07 AM
I grew up with real silver money, and half-dollars were in regular circulation. 
Art, are you SURE the coins you grew up with were dollars? I thought in your day they might've been denarii . . .  grin
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: lee n. field on May 18, 2007, 01:57:09 PM
Can you say "brass dollar"?

More dead presidents.  Bah!
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Matthew Carberry on May 18, 2007, 04:08:07 PM
Why they won't catch on?

two words: not garter friendly

If you aren't on the meatrack and toss one up on stage when she zigs instead of zags?

-bang- somebody's got a chipped tooth. 

Spike heel comes down on top of one during a pivot?  Acrylic stage, oil, little metal disk?  That's a recipe for a twisted ankle or worse.

Won't someone think of the strippers
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: K Frame on May 18, 2007, 04:33:42 PM
"Spike heel comes down on top of one during a pivot?"

She should stay on the pole where she damned well belongs...
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Matthew Carberry on May 18, 2007, 04:41:09 PM
"Spike heel comes down on top of one during a pivot?"

She should stay on the pole where she damned well belongs...

There's far more to the art than just the pole dancing Mike.   rolleyes

There's the perfunctory dance steps completed by the reverse naked toe touch and the meatrack crawl with complementary bosom face massage for a couple examples.

Which leads to another coin-related problem.  Knee bruising.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Firethorn on May 18, 2007, 09:43:29 PM
Due to sheer inertia alone any dollar coin is doomed to obscurity unless they eliminate the dollar bill.

Personally, I'd eliminate the penny, substitute the dollar coin, then re-release the $2 bill.

I figure that I've just eliminated about 50% of the paper in people's wallets as well as chopped change in pockets by 5-10%.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: K Frame on May 19, 2007, 04:00:18 AM
"There's far more to the art than just the pole dancing Mike."

Art is what one makes of it, how one views it.

Charlize Theoron twiring on the pole? Art.

Paris Hilton twirling on the pole? Obscene.

You twirling on the pole? The end of the world as we know it.

Get off the stage, you hump!
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: natedog on May 19, 2007, 09:29:38 AM
Value is always relative; nothing has intrinsic value.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: roo_ster on May 19, 2007, 11:47:31 AM
At least they put an American citizen on the dollar coin this time, rather than Sacajewia.

I do hope that was sarcasm, being that her people were here first and all...
1. Her people were nomadic stone-aged tribesmen among a multitude of nomadic stone-aged tribes.  Her folks displaced others to be where they were when Lewis & Clark stumbled upon them.  What about THOSE poor saps?  When will Sacajewia's people pay for THEIR crimes of genocide and displacement?
2. Sacajewia was never an American citizen and the likelihood that she considered herself an American (or even had a grasp on the concept) is unlikely.
3. There are non-American citizens I would have no trouble gracing our dollar coins.  Lafayette, for example.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Matthew Carberry on May 19, 2007, 12:24:12 PM
3. There are non-American citizens I would have no trouble gracing our dollar coins.  Lafayette, for example.

I nominate Shakira.  But I want her on a bill, in full color, lengthwise. Smiley
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: doczinn on May 19, 2007, 01:48:14 PM
Good taste.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Matthew Carberry on May 19, 2007, 02:27:53 PM
Of course, I probably wouldn't want to spend that money...  grin
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: doczinn on May 19, 2007, 03:13:59 PM
The carebear" way to encourage saving.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: The Rabbi on May 19, 2007, 05:21:10 PM
I'm waiting for the issue of the CLinton $3.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: crt360 on May 19, 2007, 06:35:17 PM
3. There are non-American citizens I would have no trouble gracing our dollar coins.  Lafayette, for example.

I nominate Shakira.  But I want her on a bill, in full color, lengthwise. Smiley

I'd like to see her on a coin - both the heads and "tails" side.  smiley
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Lee on May 20, 2007, 05:21:45 PM
I like the idea.  They weren't designed to circulate...they are instant savings.

I also like the idea of tipping "dancers" with them...unfortunately, they usually aren't thrilled about the idea.  Garter my butt.   
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Phaetos on May 20, 2007, 08:11:26 PM
Why they won't catch on?

two words: not garter friendly

If you aren't on the meatrack and toss one up on stage when she zigs instead of zags?

-bang- somebody's got a chipped tooth. 

Spike heel comes down on top of one during a pivot?  Acrylic stage, oil, little metal disk?  That's a recipe for a twisted ankle or worse.

Won't someone think of the strippers

I thought of the strippers once when I had a pocketful of those coins. I gave them as tips grin Course the girl knew me in real life and took it for the joke that it was.... considering she worked at a bank during the day.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2007, 06:24:04 AM
Is anyone else curious why carebear is so well-acquainted with "exotic dance"?  Did the boys like your act, Matt?  Tongue
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Matthew Carberry on May 21, 2007, 07:56:04 AM
The only way I could make money off my body is by selling kidneys and such.  sad
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: roo_ster on May 22, 2007, 03:52:32 AM
I hear scapegoat kidneys are commanding a large price in Kepluckistan.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2007, 05:12:29 AM
 Scapegoat kidneys, eh?  Why won't you guys leave my kidneys alone?   smiley
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: K Frame on May 22, 2007, 05:40:37 AM
Scapegoat kidneys, eh?  Why won't you guys leave my kidneys alone?   smiley

Because they're good with fava beans and a nice chianti...
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Art Eatman on May 22, 2007, 03:39:39 PM
No such thing as "intrinsic value"?  That's a losing vote if ever there were one. Cheesy  As long as there is a concept of "money" as a medium of exchange, there will be intrinsic value.

Scapegoat, check this out:  http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/brinkley.html  And/or do a Google for "goat gland doctor".  It's a hoot.

Art
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: zahc on May 22, 2007, 07:08:10 PM
You are all wrong. The new dollar coins won't fly because they have too high of a mass and too poor of an aerodynamic drag coefficient, along with being completely unpowered.
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Matthew Carberry on May 22, 2007, 07:19:05 PM
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...along with being completely unpowered.

Up until this point I thought you were repeating what I'd heard about the F4 Phantom.  grin
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: doczinn on May 22, 2007, 07:21:13 PM
It took that long for someone to make the obvious joke???
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2007, 07:50:58 PM
It took that long for someone to make the obvious joke???

I'd been planning on it for quite some time, but it just never happened.   smiley
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: zahc on May 22, 2007, 09:18:32 PM
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It took that long for someone to make the obvious joke???

It's a tough job but...
Title: Re: Why The New Dollar Coins Won't Fly
Post by: Gewehr98 on May 23, 2007, 06:34:31 AM
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I thought of the strippers once when I had a pocketful of those coins. I gave them as tips

I keep thinking about a certain adult show in Okinawa, with a stack of coins on top of a bottle on the stage...

She got to keep the coins, I didn't want them back.   shocked