Post by: onions! on June 25, 2007, 02:30:46 PM
Any better ideas?
Post by: cosine on June 25, 2007, 02:33:21 PM
Post by: onions! on June 25, 2007, 02:33:52 PM
Oh lordy,lordy.
Post by: onions! on June 25, 2007, 02:36:24 PM
Never had a fried onion sandwich... what's the general recipe?
Slice a big yellow onion into about 1/4 in slices,fry until translucent(couple of minutes/side),add pepper & eat between slices of wheat toast.Mayonaise optional.
Conversely,you can grill the onions but then they wouldn't get the obvious health benefits of bacon grease.The heat softens & sweetens the onion.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Post by: 280plus on June 25, 2007, 03:07:39 PM
Post by: Fly320s on June 25, 2007, 03:15:03 PM
Post by: onions! on June 25, 2007, 03:18:38 PM
I succumbed to the siren song of the tomatoe.
urp!
Post by: Moondoggie on June 25, 2007, 05:16:22 PM
I use it to occasionally fry eggs in.
Also put some on green beans & onions when I cook them.
Post by: charby on June 25, 2007, 05:20:11 PM
Post by: Paddy on June 25, 2007, 05:39:22 PM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on June 25, 2007, 05:48:18 PM
Post by: Desertdog on June 25, 2007, 06:10:22 PM
My grandmother would mix some melted bacon grease and hot coffee in a cup and sop it up with homemade biscuites.
Post by: Kaylee on June 25, 2007, 06:11:42 PM
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 25, 2007, 06:17:58 PM
I used to keep it in the fridge, to fry my bluegill, perch, and smallmouth filets in, along with the eggs for breakfast in the morning.
Post by: Thor on June 25, 2007, 08:11:58 PM
Post by: roo_ster on June 26, 2007, 05:04:15 AM
Post by: K Frame on June 26, 2007, 05:59:22 AM
Post by: Fly320s on June 26, 2007, 07:37:26 AM
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All that stuff is far better for a person that all of that hydrogenated crap.
I couldn't agree more. And for once, the science-types agree with me.
Post by: K Frame on June 26, 2007, 07:51:59 AM
Well, at least TODAY it is.
I'm sure there will be a slew of new studies in the next few years that 'prove' that hydrogenated oils are actually better for you than bacon grease because of the nitrates, nitrites, etc.
These health warnings on food run in cycles.
Over the past 20 or so years, coffee has been the great satan, followed by it becoming the great savior, about 5 times now.
Same with butter.
It's ludicrous.
Everything in moderation.
And remember, life is a death sentence. No one gets out alive.
Post by: bedlamite on June 26, 2007, 07:54:42 AM
Post by: K Frame on June 26, 2007, 08:10:33 AM
I want one. I WANT ONE NOW, GODDAMNIT!
Post by: charby on June 26, 2007, 08:26:28 AM
Bacon cheese baconburger...
I want one. I WANT ONE NOW, GODDAMNIT!
I want one. I WANT ONE NOW, GODDAMNIT!
Serving one colon cleanser for Mr Irwin.
Post by: onions! on June 26, 2007, 09:03:11 AM
Bacon cheese baconburger...
I want one. I WANT ONE NOW, GODDAMNIT!
I want one. I WANT ONE NOW, GODDAMNIT!
Serving one colon cleanser for Mr Irwin.
I'll have what he's having.& a large iced tea please.
Post by: Thor on June 26, 2007, 09:44:42 AM
"All that stuff is far better for a person that all of that hydrogenated crap."
Well, at least TODAY it is.
I'm sure there will be a slew of new studies in the next few years that 'prove' that hydrogenated oils are actually better for you than bacon grease because of the nitrates, nitrites, etc.
These health warnings on food run in cycles.
Over the past 20 or so years, coffee has been the great satan, followed by it becoming the great savior, about 5 times now.
Same with butter.
It's ludicrous.
Everything in moderation.
And remember, life is a death sentence. No one gets out alive.
Mike, true. At first I recall, they said coffee was really bad for folks. Then they said it was OK, and NOW, it almost seems as a panacea for certain diseases. Well, at least TODAY it is.
I'm sure there will be a slew of new studies in the next few years that 'prove' that hydrogenated oils are actually better for you than bacon grease because of the nitrates, nitrites, etc.
These health warnings on food run in cycles.
Over the past 20 or so years, coffee has been the great satan, followed by it becoming the great savior, about 5 times now.
Same with butter.
It's ludicrous.
Everything in moderation.
And remember, life is a death sentence. No one gets out alive.
I use REAL butter, bacon grease, lard and some oils (non hydrogenated). The clue is that we can always overdo it on stuff. Heck, last summer, I was eating BK at LEAST three times per week (sometimes more) and I STILL lost weight. However, I wasn't eating the full fledged whoppers and upsizing everything the to King Size. My cholesterol levels are just fine. Now, if I can just keep away from the sweets.
Alcohol is now good for MOST folks, especially red wine or beer. Hard liquor apparently has it's good sides, too. Hell, I just dunno. I'm going to enjoy myself as best as I can and screw the "chicken littles". Hell, I'm on free time, as I see it. I never expected to live much past 30 and I'm nigh on 50!!
All in all, modern medicine is helping us live far longer than we were ever meant to. Maybe that's a plus, maybe not.
Post by: Tallpine on June 26, 2007, 01:30:46 PM
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Poor the bacon grease in a jar. Put the jar in the refrigerator.
When that jar is full, start another jar.
Repeat process for about two years, and then clean out the refrigerator and throw them all out. Start over.
Oh, and another good use for bacon grease is bear repellent.
Post by: charby on June 26, 2007, 01:35:21 PM
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Poor the bacon grease in a jar. Put the jar in the refrigerator.
When that jar is full, start another jar.
Repeat process for about two years, and then clean out the refrigerator and throw them all out. Start over.
Oh, and another good use for bacon grease is bear repellent.
yeah you smear it on your buddy's tent so the bears are drawn to them
instead of your tent
Post by: Manedwolf on June 26, 2007, 01:42:04 PM
Post by: K Frame on June 26, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
Let's see...
We've got the oil. That will kill you.
We've got the egg. That will kill you.
We've got the egg, which is possibly infected with salmonella. That will make you very sick. Or kill you.
Post by: Fly320s on June 26, 2007, 02:54:09 PM
Oh, and another good use for bacon grease is bear repellent.
I hear it works best if you rub it all over your body and then run through the woods to disperse the smell.
Post by: 280plus on June 27, 2007, 07:23:34 AM
I feel like I should double up on the Crestor now...
I DO recall a guy I knew who thought the world of frying his spaghetti in bacon grease. He called it "fried spaghetti", if you can believe that.
Post by: Thor on June 27, 2007, 07:25:19 AM
Post by: K Frame on June 27, 2007, 07:40:42 AM
Actually, margarine and Crisco cause more problems that pig fat!!
Yeah, that's the current THEORY.
A few years ago the then-current THEORY was that butter was Satan's Solid Loin Juice and that margerine and Crisco were actually healthy.
What's it going to be next year?
As I noted above, every couple of years the latest "health information" changes dramatically. Coffee has swung back and forth several times since the 1980s.
Red wine? Same thing.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on June 27, 2007, 07:44:49 AM
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 27, 2007, 11:17:15 AM
Brad
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 27, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
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A few years ago the then-current THEORY was that butter was Satan's Solid Loin Juice and that margerine and Crisco were actually healthy.
What's it going to be next year?
What's it going to be next year?
Air.
Brad
Post by: K Frame on June 27, 2007, 11:25:34 AM
Post by: charby on June 27, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
They've been bitching about air for years.
probably be something healthy like broccoli
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on June 27, 2007, 11:58:15 AM
Post by: MechAg94 on June 27, 2007, 12:59:05 PM
Post by: Paddy on June 27, 2007, 01:04:16 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 27, 2007, 01:14:34 PM
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Commercial milk is loaded with growth hormones. That's why we have 200 lb third graders.
Yep it's the hormones, not the sedentary Nintendo- and internet-laden lifestyles, oversized dietary portions, and parents feeding them soft drinks and Twinkies to shut them up that does it.
BHG (bovine growth hormones) and HGH (human growth hormones) have different protein structures so cross-species sensitivity is virtually nil. Just as bovine semen will not fertilize a human egg, neither will BGH effectively fill the roll of HGH in the human body. Plus, BGH is a protein and proteins are broken down in the digestive tract anyway. Even if there were large amounts of BGH present in beef there is little chance of it ever making it past your gut, and what might reach the bloodstream is not compatible with human physiology.
Brad
Post by: cosine on June 27, 2007, 01:24:19 PM
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Yep it's the hormones, not the sedentary lifestyles, oversized dietary portions, and parents feeding them soft drinks and Twinkies to shut them up that does it.
Bingo. I drank 4-6 glasses of milk pretty much each day when I was a kid, and never was overweight.
On the other hand, my parents didn't let me drink soda except on very rare occasions and I could probably count on one hand the number of times I ate Twinkies when I was a kid.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on June 27, 2007, 01:26:11 PM
Post by: Paddy on June 27, 2007, 01:26:30 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 27, 2007, 01:30:06 PM
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American milk -that contains BGH-is banned in Europe and Canada, for a variety of reasons.
Non of which is BGH, which the Canadian "food police" have already stated is not a problem for humans. It's use there was banned due to animal welfare concerns.
Brad
Post by: Paddy on June 27, 2007, 01:45:05 PM
uh, yeah, riiiiiggghhhhttt............
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 27, 2007, 01:50:06 PM
So, you acknowledge that it causes mastitis, infertility and lameness in animals, yet is 'safe' for humans....
uh, yeah, riiiiiggghhhhttt............
uh, yeah, riiiiiggghhhhttt............
Nope, just said that the Canadian govt banned it because of animal welfare concerns.
Using the above logic we wouldn't be eating chocolate or raisins, both of which can be toxic to canines. And the AIDS virus, which is uniformly fatal to humans, is no more lethal to chimpanzees than a common cold is to us. The "causes X in animals so it must cause it in humans" argument is both invalid and irrelevant in this case.
Brad
Post by: Marnoot on June 27, 2007, 01:54:41 PM
Bingo. I drank 4-6 glasses of milk pretty much each day when I was a kid, and never was overweight.
Ditto. I consumed record quantities of milk as a child and teenager and was always on the light side of average. I still down a little more than 2 gallons (skim) a week with zero problems maintaining my weight (still on the light side).
Post by: Paddy on June 27, 2007, 02:04:55 PM
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Bingo. I drank 4-6 glasses of milk pretty much each day when I was a kid, and never was overweight.
Ditto. I consumed record quantities of milk as a child and teenager and was always on the light side of average. I still down a little more than 2 gallons (skim) a week with zero problems maintaining my weight (still on the light side).
BGH wasn't in use until 1993. Believe what you will. If you think consuming foods loaded with hormones and antibiotics are a good thing, have at it. Those chemicals are used only to increase profits. There is no consideration whatsoever for human health.
Ditto. I consumed record quantities of milk as a child and teenager and was always on the light side of average. I still down a little more than 2 gallons (skim) a week with zero problems maintaining my weight (still on the light side).
Post by: cosine on June 27, 2007, 02:08:35 PM
Post by: K Frame on June 27, 2007, 03:00:17 PM
Liar! The Rods of Ra PROVE that you're a liar!
I remember the first time I tasted a Twinkee.
I spit it out in disgust, and haven't eaten one since.
"So, you acknowledge that it causes mastitis, infertility and lameness in animals, yet is 'safe' for humans...."
Hey, did you know that being pregnant SIGNFICANTLY increases a woman's risk of mastitis, infertility, and lameness?
Put it back in your pants, boys, the Gov'mint's banning sperm...
"Believe what you will."
Yep, and I prefer to believe the Rods of Ra!
Post by: Thor on June 27, 2007, 03:02:30 PM
Post by: K Frame on June 27, 2007, 03:07:08 PM
Claimed, but still unproven.
Post by: charby on June 27, 2007, 03:30:50 PM
There was just some thing about soda that made it bad for folks. Sodium Benzoate, a preservative added to soft drinks. Seems it will alter the human genome and cause a lot of problems because the preservative somehow breaks down in the body into Benzene and some other stuff. It's the Benzene part that's dangerous. I've tapered off the sodas over the last few years (one-two/week) and dropped quite a few pounds. Don't know how that correlates, but I'll opt for Iced Tea more often than not and I eat a lot of the same stuff as before.
Sodium benzoate and citric acid in time will create benzene, least that is what I have read. Benzene causes cancer.
IIRC citric acid is vitamin C, so some soda companies were trying the healthy approach to by saying their soda had vitamin C in it.
I see both ingredients on many different soda brands and flavors
-C
Post by: K Frame on June 27, 2007, 03:37:38 PM
Post by: Paddy on June 27, 2007, 04:08:13 PM
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The diet Coke I'm drinking right now has Potassium Benzoate in it.
Osteoporosis. The potassium leaches calcium from the bones.
Post by: K Frame on June 27, 2007, 04:14:07 PM
I've been drinking soda heavily for years.
The bone scan I had about 2 years ago showed bone structure far denser than what is normally seen in men of my age and ethnic background.
I'n not worried.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on June 27, 2007, 04:14:49 PM
A little bacon grease, some flour, pinch of baking powder, a little elbow grease, and ... VIOLA ... tortillas fit for a king!
Brad
Brad
Hey, never thought of using a musical instrument to make tortillas, but everybody has different tastes.
Post by: 280plus on June 27, 2007, 05:26:40 PM
Post by: K Frame on June 27, 2007, 05:31:40 PM
Post by: RocketMan on June 27, 2007, 09:53:01 PM
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IIRC citric acid is vitamin C, so some soda companies were trying the healthy approach to by saying their soda had vitamin C in it.
I see both ingredients on many different soda brands and flavors
-C
Vitamin C is ascorbic acid, not citric acid.I see both ingredients on many different soda brands and flavors
-C
Citric acid from wikipedia:
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Citric acid is a weak organic acid found in citrus fruits. It is a good, natural preservative and is also used to add an acidic (sour) taste to foods and soft drinks. In biochemistry, it is important as an intermediate in the citric acid cycle and therefore occurs in the metabolism of almost all living things. It also serves as an environmentally friendly cleaning agent and acts as an antioxidant.
Its empirical chemical formula is C6H8O7
Its empirical chemical formula is C6H8O7
Ascorbic acid's chemical formula is very similar: C6H8O6 with one less oxygen atom in the molecule.
I knew that junior high school chemistry would come in handy some day. It only took 35 years.
Post by: charby on June 28, 2007, 04:46:36 AM
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IIRC citric acid is vitamin C, so some soda companies were trying the healthy approach to by saying their soda had vitamin C in it.
I see both ingredients on many different soda brands and flavors
-C
Vitamin C is ascorbic acid, not citric acid.I see both ingredients on many different soda brands and flavors
-C
Citric acid from wikipedia:
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Citric acid is a weak organic acid found in citrus fruits. It is a good, natural preservative and is also used to add an acidic (sour) taste to foods and soft drinks. In biochemistry, it is important as an intermediate in the citric acid cycle and therefore occurs in the metabolism of almost all living things. It also serves as an environmentally friendly cleaning agent and acts as an antioxidant.
Its empirical chemical formula is C6H8O7
Its empirical chemical formula is C6H8O7
Ascorbic acid's chemical formula is very similar: C6H8O6 with one less oxygen atom in the molecule.
I knew that junior high school chemistry would come in handy some day. It only took 35 years.
Yes it did, maybe its ascorbic acid and sodium benzoate that make benzene... Robin to the Google Cave!
Google sez---- ascorbic acid
http://www.beveragedaily.com/news/ng.asp?n=66084-benzene-soft-drinks-aba
Soft drinks industry pledges to tackle benzene in drinks
By Chris Mercer
27/02/2006 - America's soft drinks association said it would have to look again at benzene in drinks, after new tests revealed to BeverageDaily.com suggest it and food safety authorities failed to stamp out a problem.
The American Beverage Association (ABA) pledged to "use every means necessary" to make all soft drinks makers aware that two common ingredients can react together to form benzene in drinks.
The ABA has been forced to re-visit the issue after America's Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revealed to BeverageDaily.com two weeks ago that it had found some soft drinks containing benzene above the legal limit for drinking water.
Benzene is listed by health authorities as a known carcinogen.
The news indicates a communication breakdown. Both the US soft drinks association and FDA knew 15 years ago that two ingredients - sodium benzoate and ascorbic acid (vitamin C) - could react together to form benzene in drinks, according to an internal FDA memo dated January 1991.
"15 years ago it was under control, but this is a fast-growing industry. There are a lot of new companies, a lot of new brands and things have changed," said ABA spokesperson Kevin Keane.
"A number of brands may not be aware of this," he said, adding there was, in any case, little health risk involved.
The FDA was re-alerted to the benzene issue in recent weeks by independent laboratory tests in New York.
The lawyer who commissioned the tests also told the ABA some of the results before Christmas. The association said Thursday it was not testing drinks itself "at this point".
The New York lab found some soft drinks with benzene levels several times above the World Health Organisation's 10 parts per billion (ppb) limit for drinking water. The FDA water limit is half that, while safety bodies in the EU use a limit of just 1ppb.
Perrier sparkling water and Britvic drinks were recalled at lower benzene levels in the 1990s.
The industry, however, has repeatedly argued that such levels posed little health risk to consumers. The ABA said people could get more benzene from the air they breathed.
Michael Knowles, director of scientific and regulatory affairs at Coca-Cola Europe, said soft drinks makers had learnt to control benzene formation in drinks containing ascorbic acid and sodium benzoate. "We know how it is formed and we know how we can minimise the formation."
Knowles said soft drinks companies made a value judgement to use sodium benzoate because of its strong ability to kill off bacteria in drinks. He said the preservative's benefits outweighed the risks and consumers needed to understand this.
Debate, nevertheless, has begun to focus on the effect of heat and light on the amount of benzene that could form from a reaction between sodium benzoate and ascorbic acid.
"Heat is a major factor," according to Mike Redman, an ABA scientist who also represented the industry in meetings with the FDA on benzene back in 1990/1991.
He said benzene levels would not rise significantly at room temperature, but could rise under extreme conditions.
It is thought that Cadbury Schweppes exposes drinks to heat in an incubator for a set period of time to monitor formulations. The group was unable to confirm this before publication.
Cadbury, alongside Australian drinks group Koala Springs, originally alerted the industry and FDA to a problem with sodium benzoate and ascorbic acid back in 1990. It also then led industry testing for benzene, before it and others reformulated some of their drinks.
The ABA's Mike Redman said the industry would now re-trace its steps. "We will review the 1990 reformulations to see if there's anything we have learnt since that time."
He said benzene formation could be best controlled by adjusting levels of sodium benzoate and ascorbic acid in the drinks.
Diet and sugar-free drinks are considered more at risk because sugar has been found to help block the reaction.
Glen Lawrence, another scientist who helped the FDA work out the problem with ascorbic acid and sodium benzoate in 1990, took a firmer stance:
"There is no good reason to add ascorbic acid (vitamin C) to soft drinks, and those that may have ascorbic acid naturally in them (juices) should not use sodium benzoate as a preservative. So it is really very easy to avoid the problem."
More than 1,500 soft drinks containing sodium benzoate and ascorbic acid or citric acid have been launched across Europe, North America and Latin America since January 2002.
Post by: RocketMan on June 28, 2007, 10:02:47 AM
Post by: Paddy on June 28, 2007, 10:29:27 AM
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Yep, and I prefer to believe the Rods of Ra!
There are severe penalties for mocking Ra, not the least of which is violation by a donkey. Just an fyi.............
Post by: K Frame on June 28, 2007, 10:45:52 AM
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RODS!
Post by: Tallpine on June 28, 2007, 11:48:07 AM
Post by: K Frame on June 28, 2007, 11:49:45 AM
Caffeinated bacon...
Baconated grapefruit
Admiral Crunch
Archduke Chocula...
Post by: Mabs2 on June 28, 2007, 12:13:39 PM
Mike: I've always wanted to start a line of ridiculous cereals.
Hershey Squirts...with real Hershey's chocolate! Poo pile shaped thingies. And also, kind of good for you.
Oh the world we'd live in were I rich.
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 28, 2007, 12:30:29 PM
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Archduke Chocula...
I see the Count has made a name for himself.
Brad
Post by: K Frame on June 28, 2007, 02:47:11 PM
Post by: Mabs2 on June 28, 2007, 02:57:18 PM
Another great part was when Fry got that old apartment full of old stuff (from his time) and sat around listening to music and watching TV.
The song "Big Butts" came on while everyone was trying to convince him to get back to work, and Hermy said "You can't just sit around listening to classical music all day!"
Funny stuff.
Post by: K Frame on June 28, 2007, 03:54:38 PM
Yeah, I remember that, too!
Post by: Thor on June 28, 2007, 05:25:36 PM
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Diet and sugar-free drinks are considered more at risk because sugar has been found to help block the reaction.[\quote]
Not only that, but most diet soft drinks contain aspartame, which turns into methanol (if I remember correctly) at temps above 96 degrees F.
Not only that, but most diet soft drinks contain aspartame, which turns into methanol (if I remember correctly) at temps above 96 degrees F.
Post by: charby on June 28, 2007, 05:34:08 PM
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Diet and sugar-free drinks are considered more at risk because sugar has been found to help block the reaction.[\quote]
Not only that, but most diet soft drinks contain aspartame, which turns into methanol (if I remember correctly) at temps above 96 degrees F.
Not only that, but most diet soft drinks contain aspartame, which turns into methanol (if I remember correctly) at temps above 96 degrees F.
great my sugar free gun is going to make me go blind!