Post by: mtnbkr on July 30, 2007, 05:16:23 PM
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200707301000452.html
Chris
Post by: Gewehr98 on July 30, 2007, 05:23:03 PM
I've been selling reloadable brass through them for a long time, and built a small clientel. I'll have to make a mailing list and let them know as of mid-August, they'll have to buy from my website.
I just contacted one of my favorite cast bullet suppliers there, he's going to work with me through direct sales, person-to-person, now that eBay decided his wares are evil, too.
It's stupid that they think the Virginia Tech massacre has anything to do with brass, bullets, and gun parts sold on their auctions. However, it's their corporate decision, and as much crap as they move through their auctions, I'll wager their bean counters will hardly miss the gun-related sales, or the pissed-off boycotters.
It should result in a nice boost for AuctionArms and Gunbroker, though.
Post by: Standing Wolf on July 30, 2007, 05:36:52 PM
Post by: The Rabbi on July 30, 2007, 05:39:29 PM
Post by: Nitrogen on July 30, 2007, 06:26:07 PM
Post by: mountainclmbr on July 30, 2007, 06:44:03 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 30, 2007, 06:45:33 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on July 30, 2007, 06:47:02 PM
Their business, their agenda, their hypocrisy.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 30, 2007, 06:47:28 PM
Yet they allow baseball bats, knives, swords, and items that are most often used to smoke illegal drugs.
Their business, their agenda, their hypocrisy.
Their business, their agenda, their hypocrisy.
Gun auction sites REALLY need a better engine, though.
Post by: mtnbkr on July 30, 2007, 06:52:49 PM
Gun action sites REALLY need a better engine, though.
Yup. It's why I've purchased items at Gunbroker only twice. AuctionArms is even worse IMO.
One good thing about this, I'll end up spending much less money. Between dumping Paypal and Ebay, a lot of my impulse purchases will go away.
Chris
Post by: Antibubba on July 30, 2007, 07:57:04 PM
Post by: mtnbkr on July 31, 2007, 04:17:56 AM
Gunbroker is a joke. People post overpriced guns and accessories and let them sit until some sucker finally buys them. Lately, I've been shopping for Contender barrels. On eBay, you stood a good chance of getting a deal. At Gunbroker, most of the barrels start at prices you'd pay for new barrels. Of the few that started at reasonable levels, they were either rough looking or had ridiculous restrictions such as "must ship to FFL" (for a barrel?). I saw better prices on Contender barrels at this weekend's gun show.
Hopefully AuctionArms will be better.
Chris
Post by: Manedwolf on July 31, 2007, 04:22:25 AM
There's that sort on nearly every prestige item and gadget, now.
Post by: K Frame on July 31, 2007, 05:32:38 AM
I hit a lot of the high-point complaints that have been registered here.
The guy's a nice guy, Marine Corps veteran, but he and I didn't see eye to eye on either the search engine or my contention that there are people abusing his website by staying parked with outlandishly overpriced items.
I've bought several guns from AuctionArms and Gunbroker and have gotten decent deals (I've been happy with them) every time. All three were dealer sales, though, not individuals.
Post by: The Rabbi on July 31, 2007, 05:49:13 AM
As for overpriced stuff, it's a market. No one is forcing anyone to buy. If it is too expensive, it wont sell. I have cut prices on all sorts of things to get it to move.
My favorite tactic is just a 1 penny start with no reserve over 7 days and a view counter. In fact I will be offering a Dan Wesson Pistol Pack this week like that. Since especially GB is such a big forum, it constitutes what I think of as a true marketplace.
Post by: K Frame on July 31, 2007, 06:13:27 AM
Unfortunately, that's not saying a whole lot.
Post by: mtnbkr on July 31, 2007, 06:15:15 AM
I need to look more closely at AA. I always forget about them when I would go to Gunbroker for stuff I couldn't get at eBay.
BTW, let us know when the DW Pistol Pack is listed...
Chris
Post by: The Rabbi on July 31, 2007, 07:12:13 AM
What do you think will happen to those sellers on eBay when they can't sell there anymore? Will they just decide, "oh, we can't sell anymore. We'll just have a firesale and go out of business"? Or will they think, "screw eBay. We're gonna list on GB. And we aint taking PayPal no more either"?
And I am still waiting for someone to tell me what's wrong with AA's search engine.
Post by: K Frame on July 31, 2007, 07:23:27 AM
Post by: AJ Dual on July 31, 2007, 07:37:10 AM
Anyone interested in 10,000 bullet tips, wholesale? It's not whole bullets mind you, just the tips.
Post by: mtnbkr on July 31, 2007, 07:38:06 AM
What do you think will happen to those sellers on eBay when they can't sell there anymore? Will they just decide, "oh, we can't sell anymore. We'll just have a firesale and go out of business"? Or will they think, "screw eBay. We're gonna list on GB. And we aint taking PayPal no more either"?
And I am still waiting for someone to tell me what's wrong with AA's search engine.
And I am still waiting for someone to tell me what's wrong with AA's search engine.
I hope they do go to GB and AA, we'll have to wait and see. Until then, we're stuck with the "market" we have, which means GB is mostly a wasteland.
As for AA's search engine, I've never had much luck finding what I want. I've confirmed it was the search engine by browsing manually for items and finding them. I have the same problem with GB as well. I'll admit I haven't looked at AA in over a year at least, so they may have improved. GB hasn't in that timeframe.
Chris
Post by: mtnbkr on July 31, 2007, 07:46:10 AM
I have business in SW Va this weekend. One of the shops Cho bought a gun at is in the town I'll be visiting. I should spend some money there, scan my receipt, post it on my server, and send the url to the fine folks at eBay.
Chris
Post by: K Frame on July 31, 2007, 07:51:44 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on July 31, 2007, 09:11:07 AM
AA could use something similar.
Post by: charby on July 31, 2007, 09:17:00 AM
Host it in some more freedom loving states like Montana, Texas or New Hampshire.
Post by: Gewehr98 on July 31, 2007, 12:59:28 PM
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What do you think will happen to those sellers on eBay when they can't sell there anymore? Will they just decide, "oh, we can't sell anymore. We'll just have a firesale and go out of business"? Or will they think, "screw eBay. We're gonna list on GB. And we aint taking PayPal no more either"?
Actually, it'll go a third route. I just had an email conversation with my favorite cast "bullet tip" source on eBay, and he's going to sell to me direct. No AuctionArms or GunBroker.
I'm thinking about a buy/sell/trade subforum and link area on my latest acquisition, The Carnival of Cordite. I'd just have links to suppliers and traders for direct sales, I won't handle any transactions, but will delete links if I get wind that deals via those people went bad.
Post by: Ezekiel on July 31, 2007, 01:33:22 PM
Post by: mtnbkr on July 31, 2007, 01:40:54 PM
It's their right, I don't see the issue.
It is their right. The issue is that they've decided to restrict sales of legal items while ignoring the fraud, illegal items, and other questionable activities on their site. I've personally watched auctions for counterfeit bike frames continue to completion after multiple people have alerted ebay and the seller to the "error".
So, it's their right to run their business the way they see fit and our right to take our money elsewhere.
Chris
Post by: Ezekiel on July 31, 2007, 05:05:53 PM
It's their right, I don't see the issue.
It is their right. The issue is that they've decided to restrict sales of legal items while ignoring the fraud, illegal items, and other questionable activities on their site. I've personally watched auctions for counterfeit bike frames continue to completion after multiple people have alerted ebay and the seller to the "error".
So, it's their right to run their business the way they see fit and our right to take our money elsewhere.
Chris
Sure, take your $$$ elsewhere. The point is, they don't care.
I assure you, this was studied, and, somehow, it benefits them.
What's the rub?
Post by: bunni on July 31, 2007, 09:00:54 PM
Post by: nico on August 01, 2007, 07:59:34 AM
In my experience, eBay has been getting less and less stringent about scam auctions, too. As long as they get their cut, they really don't care if the auction for "PS3 $200 WOW" really has a thing at the bottom in 2pt text saying "not for actual item, you will get information on how to get PS3 for $200!" ...and such. And hundreds of positive shill feedbacks, mostly out of China.
There's that sort on nearly every prestige item and gadget, now.
not to mention all the counterfeit items they knowingly allow to be sold on their site, like the Chinese-made "leupold" scopes. There's that sort on nearly every prestige item and gadget, now.
Post by: mtnbkr on August 01, 2007, 08:26:14 AM
Then there's the various CB amps and other illegal radio equipment...
Chris
Post by: Manedwolf on August 01, 2007, 08:37:15 AM
There are tens of thousands of DVDs and CDs on there clearly labeled with the names of the most infamous pirate outfits in Hong Kong, the ones so brazen that they have their own catalogs.
These are all pirate labels, none of them publish legitmately, but they sell copies of nearly every movie and CD in major catalogs...some with poor inkjet covers, some with new booklets that often have more than a few misspellings. SonMay is one of the most blatant.
* Son May (SM) - GGG, GA, GSM, SM, SS, AnG, SMA, SMB, GAME, CK
* Smiley Face Records Ltd - KA, HO
* Ever Anime - A8, TV, CV, NP, GM
* Hi Fashion
* Alion - ALCA
* Miya Records - MICP
* Archer Records - R
* Ho Son - B, H
* Wisdom Records
* Yuanding
* Top Circle
* Golden Diamond
And eBay couldn't care less. They get their cut!