Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2007, 12:21:46 PM
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So if I stand, let me stand on the promise,
That You will pull me through.
And if I can't let me fall on the grace,
That first brought me to You.
If I sing let me sing for the joy,
That has born in me these songs.
But if I weep let it be as a man,
Who is longing for his home.
That You will pull me through.
And if I can't let me fall on the grace,
That first brought me to You.
If I sing let me sing for the joy,
That has born in me these songs.
But if I weep let it be as a man,
Who is longing for his home.
Who else knows what I'm talkin' about?
Post by: Bogie on September 08, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Post by: Balog on September 08, 2007, 02:44:31 PM
Post by: Sindawe on September 08, 2007, 02:51:44 PM
Not really my preference though. My tastes are a bit...darker.
Even for that genre.
Post by: BakerMikeRomeo on September 08, 2007, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: Howard Arnold Walter
I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
I would be pure, for there are those who care;
I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
I would be friend of all--the foe, the friendless;
I would be giving, and forget the gift;
I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
I would look up, and laugh, and love and lift.
I would be faithful through each passing moment;
I would be constantly in touch with God;
I would be strong to follow where He leads me;
I would have faith to keep the path Christ trod.
I would be pure, for there are those who care;
I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
I would be friend of all--the foe, the friendless;
I would be giving, and forget the gift;
I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
I would look up, and laugh, and love and lift.
I would be faithful through each passing moment;
I would be constantly in touch with God;
I would be strong to follow where He leads me;
I would have faith to keep the path Christ trod.
I don't know what you're talking about, but it made me think of this.
~BakerMike
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2007, 07:59:22 PM
Jars of Clay? Slightly less offensive, but still wrong. I have a good friend who runs a fan website, but I never bothered to listen to them. Not even when I saw them in concert. smiley
That's an oldie but a goodie, sung and co-written by Rich Mullins - one of the few Christian recording artists to have talent, depth and soul. After semi-retiring from music to teach on an Indian Reservation, he perished in an auto accident.
If any of you know the song only from some hack cover version, I pity you.
Post by: Paddy on September 08, 2007, 09:18:20 PM
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If any of you know the song only from some hack cover version, I pity you.
Humility, my friend. I am with you, but remember, we are a program of attraction, not promotion. Matt 10:14
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2007, 03:21:08 AM
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If any of you know the song only from some hack cover version, I pity you.
Humility, my friend. I am with you, but remember, we are a program of attraction, not promotion. Matt 10:14
Huh?
Post by: Tuco on September 09, 2007, 06:55:09 AM
Humility, my friend. I am with you, but remember, we are a program of attraction, not promotion. Matt 10:14
I see what yer sayin'.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on September 09, 2007, 08:17:46 AM
Humility, my friend. I am with you, but remember, we are a program of attraction, not promotion. Matt 10:14
I see what yer sayin'.
I'm pickin' up what yer throwin' down....
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2007, 01:16:20 PM
Post by: Tuco on September 09, 2007, 01:37:28 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2007, 02:12:30 PM
Well, I just didn't know pity was arrogant.
Post by: wooderson on September 09, 2007, 04:35:13 PM
Post by: Paddy on September 09, 2007, 06:03:30 PM
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given that I'm an atheist and not much of a metal person, much less death metal)
You probably mean 'agnostic', since it takes as much (or more) faith to be an atheist than a believer.
Post by: wooderson on September 09, 2007, 06:32:23 PM
But the truth is that I can in no way conceive of the existence of a god or gods and harbor not the tiniest bit of suspicion that higher powers or spirits (both in the sense of ghosts and souls) might exist.
Agnostics are the wishy-washy center of our eternal culture war.
Post by: Paddy on September 09, 2007, 06:38:55 PM
go figure............
Post by: wooderson on September 09, 2007, 06:42:32 PM
Treating religious belief as a game of odds... isn't that just the exact same thing from God's vantage point as not believing at all? If you require the wager, then you inherently don't buy into His existence. Never added up in my mind.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2007, 07:26:37 PM
Unless it's all about mortification of the flesh.
Post by: wooderson on September 09, 2007, 07:54:18 PM
I spent many a night at that same youth-oriented church/club (God's Place, catchy) flirting with churchgoing girls with blue hair and nose piercings. Not a lot of options for all-ages punk (and this being the mid-90s... ska) shows back then in North Texas.
Kind of sad that I never visited the Christian rave room they had in a separate building.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2007, 07:56:16 PM
Post by: wooderson on September 09, 2007, 08:02:03 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2007, 08:10:27 PM
Post by: BrokenPaw on September 10, 2007, 07:53:13 AM
Oh no, trust me, I'm an atheist. I spent many years calling myself an agnostic - the 'ag' is less off-putting for folks and my basic attitude is that I don't care. (The existence or non-existence of higher beings simply doesn't factor into my moral/philosophical/physical/whatever framework.)
The term you're looking for is "Apatheist". It means exactly what you're saying, and it actually sounds legitimate enough for people who aren't paying close attention.
A close second is "Frisbeetarian"; if you say it quickly it sounds a lot like "Presbyterian", but it's the belief that when we die, our souls go up and get stuck on the roof.
Back in the day, I used to listen to a band called "Seventh Angel". I think they might qualify as Christian Death Metal, fistful...
-BP
Post by: Phantom Warrior on September 11, 2007, 12:11:04 AM
It's "If I Stand" by the classic Rich Mullins! <-belated correct answer
"My Deliverer" and "Awesome God" are both also outstanding if you are a Rich Mullins fan. I like Rich Mullins because he's an excellent departure from the "God is my girlfriend" genre of contemporary Christian music. His songs have a lot of depth and meaning.
As a footnote, he was also a devout and simple Christian. He never became wealthy off his music career. I actually looked him up on Wikipedia and found out that he gave almost all of his profits (less a small salary) to charity.
Post by: CAnnoneer on September 22, 2007, 03:44:30 PM
Agnostics are the wishy-washy center of our eternal culture war.
I resent that
There is nothing wishy-washy about honestly admitting that you don't know. The realization of lack of knowledge is the first step to knowledge. A true atheist is just as much a believer as any theist; he just chooses to believe in the opposite.
Finally, IMO, it takes more guts to face the uncertainty of agnosticism than to be comforted by the existence of a deity looking out for you, or to enjoy the tidy certainty and simplicity of a godless mechanical universe.