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Title: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 27, 2007, 11:16:28 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/2007-09-25-behavior-detection_N.htm
It's a long article, so I won't paste it all in here. 

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The man had caught Kinsey's eye not just because he acted nervously, but because he acted differently. Other travelers shuffling blankly along the security line that quiet afternoon showed all the emotion of cattle. This passenger's contrasting anxiety showed, in TSA parlance, "deviations from baseline behavior." He merited a closer look, a face-to-face conversation where Kinsey could scrutinize his body, voice and speech to see if his score on a TSA checklist rose to a level requiring police attention
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 27, 2007, 12:12:20 PM
It's a long article, so I won't read it.  What's new about what they're doing?
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Tallpine on September 27, 2007, 04:57:06 PM
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Other travelers shuffling blankly along the security line that quiet afternoon showed all the emotion of cattle.

Which of course was the intended result all along  rolleyes
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 27, 2007, 05:10:20 PM
The power of suggestion claims another victim.  Security guards singling out people who look suspicious.    shocked   In other news, steer are made of beef. 
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Finch on September 27, 2007, 05:56:46 PM
"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called."

- 1984
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Unisaw on September 27, 2007, 06:12:00 PM
Sorry, I just don't understand how the passenger who was merely pulled aside for additional screening was a victim.  Was there some lasting adverse effect on the person? 
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 27, 2007, 06:36:38 PM
And I don't understand how this is anything new.  Looks like repackaging of an age-old technique, but reported with the usual fear-mongering about Bushitler's Orwellian police state. 

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Advocates say behavior detection strengthens security by replacing "hunches" about who seems troublesome and worthy of scrutiny with research that shows how suspicious people actually look, sound and act.


Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 27, 2007, 06:40:38 PM
or a person less into rhetoric could compare it to the highly sucessful methods that the israelis have been using.  depends on point of view  or agenda
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 28, 2007, 04:33:12 AM
There is something called the 4th amendment.  Merely looking suspicious shouldn't garner you any extra scruitiny! 
Heil Bush!
(had to throw that in to rile up Fistful)
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: jefnvk on September 28, 2007, 04:45:53 AM
So now we are going to be questioning everyone who has a fear of flying.  I feel much safer  rolleyes
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Tallpine on September 28, 2007, 08:45:32 AM
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So now we are going to be questioning everyone who has a fear of flying.

Not only that, but I have a fear of walking around without my shoes and belt and knife and sixgun  laugh
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 28, 2007, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: jamisjockey on September 28, 2007, 03:33:12 AM
There is something called the 4th amendment.  Merely looking suspicious shouldn't garner you any extra scruitiny! 


Huh?  I'm no cop, but I thought that was basic police work.  You see somebody acting suspiciously, you check them out.  These people are being searched and screened, anyway, so this technique is certainly not any new infringement of rights. 


Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 28, 2007, 12:38:55 PM
be a damn shame if we adopted w2hat the israelis have used so sucessfully. we should try to lamely forge new ground rather than use a proven product. keep our record going
Title: Re: Airport security arsenal adds behavior detection
Post by: Archie on September 29, 2007, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: jamisjockey on September 28, 2007, 03:33:12 AM
There is something called the 4th amendment.  Merely looking suspicious shouldn't garner you any extra scruitiny! 
Heil Bush!
(had to throw that in to rile up Fistful)
The Forth Amendment guards against 'unreasonable' searches and seizures. 

JJ, would you care to describe how an interview, based on articuable facts and reasonable cause, is an invalid Forth Amendment search or seizure?  You might want to read up on 'Terry vs. Ohio' in your reseach.

Or are you under treatment for Bush Derangement Syndrome?