Post by: m1911owner on September 28, 2007, 08:34:24 AM
I will be very disappointed in the citizens of the United States if that woman is not laughed out of the presidential race for such an insanely stupid "steal from everybody, and give to everybody" idea.
I am expecting that I will be very disappointed.
Post by: wmenorr67 on September 28, 2007, 08:40:21 AM
Of course she has been looking more haggard than usual lately. Maybe there is some sort of health issue that rear its ugly head shortly and she will have to pull out of the race.
It is that or maybe the transformation to her real alien form is happening a little sooner than expected.
Post by: Tallpine on September 28, 2007, 08:41:43 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 28, 2007, 09:22:31 AM
Lets say that the .gov actually set aside 5k for each baby born into a real savings that yielded something better than the rate of inflation. Actually not a bad idea as far as social progams go. You can only draw it out if you go to college/trade school.
Here is the problem. Lets just make up a number of $25k as the net result.
Instead, the .gov will calculate how much you should get from the program at age 18. Instead of saving the money now, they will draw it out of some tax fund at a later date, costing the taxpayers the whole enchilada, instead of just the initial 5k. Or, they will save the money, and at some juncture when they realize that there is a shitload of coin sitting in there, they will raid it.
This program is doomed to fail, just like social security. It will be a money pit that will never go away.
Make sense?
Hillary is a Socialist. Its just that simple.
Post by: Gewehr98 on September 28, 2007, 09:25:13 AM
Post by: charby on September 28, 2007, 09:28:15 AM
The more silly-assed things she proposes, the better.
Hell yeah!!!
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 28, 2007, 09:30:15 AM
Approx 4 million babies a year born in the U.S.A.
5,000 per rugmonkey.
20,000,000,000
Twenty Billion a year. Twenty GD billion a year. And that doesn't account for administration fees.
How on (insert chosen diety here)'s green earth does she expect to pay for such an insane idea?
Post by: Euclidean on September 28, 2007, 09:35:10 AM
The more silly-assed things she proposes, the better.
You could argue the opposite. Some people will vote for whatever sounds good.
Post by: Gewehr98 on September 28, 2007, 09:38:14 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 28, 2007, 09:52:28 AM
free bales of medical marijuana
If that happens then she can have my vote!
Post by: Boomhauer on September 28, 2007, 10:04:52 AM
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It is reported that Ms. Clinton is proposing that the citizens of the United States pony up $5,000 to pay to each baby born here
Like the welfare-hogging crack whores need any more incentive to find a "baby daddy".
BTW, anyone who refers to their never there boyfriend/husband/whatever as a "baby daddy" ought to be shot.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 28, 2007, 11:56:46 AM
Post by: Fly320s on September 28, 2007, 12:02:57 PM
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Sep 28 01:09 PM US/Eastern
By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 "baby bond" from the government to help pay for future costs of college or buying a home.
Clinton, her party's front-runner in the 2008 race, made the suggestion during a forum hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus.
"I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that downpayment on their first home," she said.
The New York senator did not offer any estimate of the total cost of such a program or how she would pay for it. Approximately 4 million babies are born each year in the United States.
Clinton said such an account program would help Americans get back to the tradition of savings that she remembers as a child, and has become harder to accomplish in the face of rising college and housing costs.
She argued that wealthy people "get to have all kinds of tax incentives to save, but most people can't afford to do that."
The proposal was met with enthusiastic applause at an event aimed to encourage young people to excel and engage in politics.
"I think it's a wonderful idea," said Rep. Stephanie Stubbs Jones, an Ohio Democrat who attended the event and has already endorsed Clinton. "Every child born in the United States today owes $27,000 on the national debt, why not let them come get $5,000 to grow until their 18?"
Britain launched a similar program in January 2005, handing out vouchers worth hundreds of dollars each to parents with children born after Sept. 1, 2002.
Earlier this month, Time magazine proposed a $5,000 baby bond program.
By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 "baby bond" from the government to help pay for future costs of college or buying a home.
Clinton, her party's front-runner in the 2008 race, made the suggestion during a forum hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus.
"I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that downpayment on their first home," she said.
The New York senator did not offer any estimate of the total cost of such a program or how she would pay for it. Approximately 4 million babies are born each year in the United States.
Clinton said such an account program would help Americans get back to the tradition of savings that she remembers as a child, and has become harder to accomplish in the face of rising college and housing costs.
She argued that wealthy people "get to have all kinds of tax incentives to save, but most people can't afford to do that."
The proposal was met with enthusiastic applause at an event aimed to encourage young people to excel and engage in politics.
"I think it's a wonderful idea," said Rep. Stephanie Stubbs Jones, an Ohio Democrat who attended the event and has already endorsed Clinton. "Every child born in the United States today owes $27,000 on the national debt, why not let them come get $5,000 to grow until their 18?"
Britain launched a similar program in January 2005, handing out vouchers worth hundreds of dollars each to parents with children born after Sept. 1, 2002.
Earlier this month, Time magazine proposed a $5,000 baby bond program.
Geeze, how much dumber can people get before they turn into mud?
Post by: Tallpine on September 28, 2007, 12:48:09 PM
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The New York senator did not offer any estimate of the total cost of such a program or how she would pay for it.
Really?
Post by: Bogie on September 28, 2007, 01:35:10 PM
Post by: lupinus on September 28, 2007, 02:07:31 PM
Buy bonds for your own damn future oxygen theif
I have some for myself, I've bought some for my kids. I will certianly buy some for mine when I have them.
But no way in hell am I buying them for someones little heathen.
Post by: m1911owner on September 28, 2007, 02:53:50 PM
But no way in hell am I buying them for someones little heathen.
I don't think she had in mind giving you a choice in the matter...
Post by: Phyphor on September 28, 2007, 02:59:14 PM
t is that or maybe the transformation to her real alien form is happening a little sooner than expected.
You mean she's gonna turn into a mexican?
Post by: lupinus on September 28, 2007, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: tyme on September 29, 2007, 02:28:07 AM
She wants socialism, but only because she realizes it'll turn the general population into idiots, who then depend on her and her ilk to run things.
Post by: lee n. field on September 29, 2007, 04:54:03 AM
Post by: brimic on September 29, 2007, 05:09:35 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 29, 2007, 05:16:14 AM
Post by: Antibubba on September 29, 2007, 08:27:17 AM
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How on (insert chosen diety here)'s green earth does she expect to pay for such an insane idea?
How dare you sully such a noble idea with questions of practicality!!
Post by: CAnnoneer on September 29, 2007, 09:02:31 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if we could 'liminate the whole lot of them by the nearest airlock?
Post by: MechAg94 on September 29, 2007, 03:18:34 PM
Post by: tyme on September 29, 2007, 05:21:58 PM
Quote from: CAnnoneer
Wouldn't it be nice if we could 'liminate the whole lot of them by the nearest airlock?
Laura Roslin style, or Mal style?
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 29, 2007, 05:36:53 PM
How will we pay for this? Why the rich will pay for it silly. They don't pay their fair share and the rich have an endless supply of money to tap with no effect on the economy, etc.
That's right! Because we don't:
Employ housekeepers
Employ yard maintence
Hire employees
Use services such as to-your-door dry cleaners or grocery delivery
Throw parties
Spend more money on things we don't need
gggrrrr If I ever meet Hillary I'm kicking her right in her gonads.
Post by: jefnvk on September 30, 2007, 08:36:28 AM
Glad we got this one figured out
Post by: tyme on September 30, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
Does it matter that college costs are rising faster than the market? The $5k will still turn into something, which is greater than nothing.
Post by: jefnvk on September 30, 2007, 03:06:14 PM
Hate to tell you, but that is for in-state public tuition.
Fall bill for tuition, no housing ran me $3978 for 13 credits, plus about $900 in department and expansion fees.
Post by: Gewehr98 on September 30, 2007, 04:29:59 PM
I understand baby tastes just like a good cut of veal.
Post by: Phantom Warrior on September 30, 2007, 10:58:47 PM
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I understand baby tastes just like a good cut of veal.
A modest proposal, perhaps?
Post by: HankB on October 01, 2007, 04:11:59 AM
Wonderful. Just wonderful. <expletive> <expletive> <long chain of expletives.>
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 01, 2007, 05:32:25 AM
Let me guess . . . we'll not only be giving birthright citizenship to babies born here to illegal aliens, we'll be paying them $5000 each?
Wonderful. Just wonderful. <expletive> <expletive> <long chain of expletives.>
Wonderful. Just wonderful. <expletive> <expletive> <long chain of expletives.>
Future Democrats is what they are referred to.
Post by: Gewehr98 on October 01, 2007, 07:24:26 AM