Post by: El Tejon on October 17, 2007, 08:39:39 AM
Today I received another variant of my name, from Virginia--"Kiile". I am again at a loss.
Is this an acutal Southern name? Do you pronounce it as "Kirk"? Is the double "i" pronounced as an "r" in some Scot dialect that you people have in the hills? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Help a Yankee understand. Dialect Police=>
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 17, 2007, 08:52:18 AM
Brad
Post by: El Tejon on October 17, 2007, 09:07:32 AM
Do you have "K-i-l-e"s down there?
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 17, 2007, 09:13:45 AM
Brad
Post by: Waitone on October 17, 2007, 09:19:39 AM
Now as to your problem, we down here have a hard time asking questions and drinking Sprite. Best we can do is axe questions and drink Skrite. Kirk is not even on our linguistic radar.
Post by: El Tejon on October 17, 2007, 09:34:18 AM
None of y'all, a little Southern lingo, have experience with these names?
Post by: mfree on October 17, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
May as well say " A little european".
My smoky mountainisms are not the same Southern as someone from the blue ridge mountains, nor are they the same as those from the carolina bottoms, everglades, Louisiana bayou, cumberland plateau, mississippi river valley, Georgia, Alabama, etc. etc. etc.
Bo ~ Beau ~ Beauregard. Bubba is an 1860's corruption of "brother". Kirk.... Kirkegaard or Kirkja (old norse "Church")? Curt Curtis "Courteous" French root, Kurt is short for Conrad in German....
Kyle: "From a Scottish surname which was derived from Gaelic caol meaning "narrows, channel, strait"."
Probably 90% of your "southern" names will be English, Irish, or Scottish, with a little native content, and the remaining 10% will be bayou French depending on how far southwest you go. The Germans hold press in northern Kentucky and Indiana.
Post by: Tallpine on October 17, 2007, 11:35:09 AM
(John some of James son of John son of James ...) Kurt reportedly disappeared while on a horse trading expedition of some sort or other. 
Just FYI for anyone who does or doesn't care, the Gaelic caol is pronounced like the english "cool". How that got to be Kyle, I don't know. OTOH, names like Kilxxxxx are supposed to be based on cill (meaning cell) referring to a monastery or religious group.
I am unaware of any double eyes ( ii ) in Scots Gaelic. When combined with L or N, the letter I (and/or E) adds a Y sound, as in gille (GEEL-yay).
Post by: 280plus on October 17, 2007, 01:37:59 PM
Post by: MechAg94 on October 17, 2007, 05:38:12 PM
Do damnyankees always want to blame everything on Southerners?
I am trying to think of any famous people named Kirk, but I am drawing a blank.
Post by: MechAg94 on October 17, 2007, 05:43:19 PM
According to this, Kirk is Scottish.
I have never heard of "Kiile" myself, but I have known a few people names Kyle. The football stadium at Texas A&M is known as Kyle Field, but that was the guy's last name.
Post by: Antibubba on October 17, 2007, 08:07:30 PM
We've a lot of British descendants and there are a lot of British names floating around on our kids. So why don't we see any American kids named "Nigel"? It seems like a pretty cool name, and it would be a lot less cruel than, say, Kal-El.
Any American Nigels out there?
Post by: Bogie on October 17, 2007, 08:33:04 PM
Whatcher middle name? Kirk-Bob just wouldn't sound right.
Sincerely,
Charles Terhune Bogardus
Southern
Post by: Laurent du Var on October 17, 2007, 08:37:22 PM
Wasn't the captain of the starship enterprise
called Kirk ?
And I think before he became captain he was a jew from Canada ?
("Beam me up, Scottie..")
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 17, 2007, 09:01:53 PM
Kirk, this ain't no southern thing. Curt is a much more common name (short for Curtis), so it's not surprising that people hear that, instead. My name is Josh, but people always call me John or Justin, or some other more popular J name, until they get it down.
As for Kile, Kiile and Kaaren, I don't think that's Southern, either. Parents all over the country are just no longer satisfied with common spellings for common names, any more. So, they name their kids Serrah and Tommis and Reeta. Aren't they just so cute?
The one that especially annoys me is Jaime for the female spawn of ignorant gringos. There are at least two actresses sporting that moniker now.* It's a MAN'S NAME, you moe-rons! The Spanish equivalent of James, I believe. Then there is the current crisis of Mackenzie as a little girl's name. That one just makes no sense at all.
OK, I'm done. Thank you.
*OK, they probably changed their names to beat the SAG rules about duplicate names for actors.
Post by: mtnbkr on October 18, 2007, 02:11:14 AM
Chris
Post by: El Tejon on October 18, 2007, 03:20:31 AM
I could accept that as these people are not widely read or educated. However, where the heck does "Kiile" comes from?
Post by: MechAg94 on October 18, 2007, 04:24:13 AM
Can't help you on the Kirk thing, but here's one that I've puzzled over:
We've a lot of British descendants and there are a lot of British names floating around on our kids. So why don't we see any American kids named "Nigel"? It seems like a pretty cool name, and it would be a lot less cruel than, say, Kal-El.
Any American Nigels out there?
After Nigel Tufnel of Spinal Tap, why would anyone want to burden their kid with being named Nigel? They could never live up to the example. We've a lot of British descendants and there are a lot of British names floating around on our kids. So why don't we see any American kids named "Nigel"? It seems like a pretty cool name, and it would be a lot less cruel than, say, Kal-El.
Any American Nigels out there?
Post by: MechAg94 on October 18, 2007, 04:28:21 AM
Of course, my first name is William and I have to spell that for people sometimes.
Post by: Bogie on October 18, 2007, 04:50:19 AM
Post by: Tallpine on October 18, 2007, 06:04:16 AM
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am trying to think of any famous people named Kirk, but I am drawing a blank.
Kirk Douglas
Post by: JohnBT on October 18, 2007, 10:24:48 AM
JohnBoyT
P.S. - My daddy lived farther back in the mountains than the Waltons. He spent a day loading peaches with Earl Hamner when they were teenagers. My daddy lived so far back in the mountains that they had to walk toward town to go hunting.
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 18, 2007, 12:15:48 PM
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"Kirt", "Kiile" or "Kile" obviously are Southern.
Why do you think so?
Post by: Bob F. on October 18, 2007, 01:23:09 PM
Now, as if that weren't bad enough, there are folks hereabouts who can't spell their own names, much less anyone elses. One night at work I was taking a kid's info, he was about 10 or so, don't recall his name but it wasn't real common but then not all that odd. To be sure I had it correct I spelled it back to him. "Hey, Dad, he got it right" Dad: "He's the first one". Me (without thinking, as usual): "I'm not from here." Dad: "We're not either."
Digressing even more, I've noticed that in this area what you're named is pretty much what you're stuck with. EG: I'm from up North, named Robert but generally known as Bob. Hereabouts, I'd still be Robert, after all, that's what Momma named me. Lots of Bobbys, Jimmies, Joeys, Dawns, Gypsies, etc here, and by God, that's what Momma named 'em! Additionally, middle names are commonly used, as in Bobby Jim, or April Dawn. Double middle names are becoming more common.
So, back to topic: El Tejon: If they get half the letters in your name right, count your blessings!
Stay safe.
Bob
Post by: Tallpine on October 18, 2007, 04:47:22 PM
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Additionally, middle names are commonly used, as in Bobby Jim, or April Dawn. Double middle names are becoming more common.
So "April May June" is a plausible name ?
Post by: Bob F. on October 18, 2007, 05:00:00 PM
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 18, 2007, 05:19:05 PM
So whats up with that?
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 18, 2007, 06:22:58 PM
Post by: Modifiedbrowning on October 18, 2007, 06:30:54 PM
Settle down, Francis. (or is that Kiile).
Post by: Bogie on October 18, 2007, 09:02:55 PM
Post by: vaskidmark on October 19, 2007, 02:10:41 AM
1) Mom was attending the health Dept. pre-natal clinic. Meant a lot of time sitting and waiting to be seen. No tv, no table full of magazines. Nothing to do but look at the posters on the walls.
Oh, yeah. The pre-natal clinic was held in the same area as the vd clinic.
All the posters were about vd and what could happen to you. Good scientific stuff, with some graphic illustrations for those who could not understand Latin names for body parts.
Anyhow -- several months later mom has to choose a name for the little princess that managed to survive public health care. Mom admits to not knowing just exactly what it meant, but the word just "sounded so pretty." So she puts an "a" on the end so everybody will know its a girl's name.
We all got together and created a pool about when little Syphillia would gut-cut her mom. I put my money on the first day of kindergarten, when the teacher calls the roll for the first time. I did not win the pool.
2) And who will ever forget the young girl who forever must tell folks that her name is pronounced "poor-shuh" in spite of it not being spelled the "classical" way. Seems her mom had the right idea, but somehow managed to get "P-o-u-l-t-r-y" onto the birth certificate. "Poor-shuh" has a little brother who has to tell everybody that his name really is Hot Dog. It's on his birth certificate. Mom did not screw up spelling it, either. She meant it, cause he was such a fiesty thing while she was carrying him.
3) There was a family of 6 girls. First kid was born at the beginning of Black Pride in the 60's. Mom & Dad were veery much into Black Pride, having changed their whitebread names to ones sounding more African. First girl was named Gotwan, the next Gotwanda, then Gotwandadon, followed by Gotwandadonamon, and so on to the very bitter end. Mom & Dad were very well educated & held down jobs paying well into 6 figures. They just had that strange notion about names for their kids.
stay safe.
skidmark
Post by: Tallpine on October 19, 2007, 04:49:09 AM
Nice name
Her middle name was "River"
The Crystal River is near Aspen and Crested Butte, BTW.
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 19, 2007, 12:44:11 PM
Post by: Bogie on October 19, 2007, 01:18:53 PM
Kirk-Joe?
Post by: Bob F. on October 19, 2007, 05:29:25 PM
Read that as "persued by"!
Bob
Post by: Otherguy Overby on October 19, 2007, 06:09:12 PM
Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2007, 11:31:48 PM
I still wanna know what Tej's middle name is...
Kirk-Joe?
That would br Kirky - Joe...Kirk-Joe?
I'm reminded of an NBA guy, AMFERNY Jones. I'm guessing mama had a spot of trouble spelling Anthony?
Post by: Waitone on October 20, 2007, 03:02:46 AM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 20, 2007, 03:44:59 AM
I still wanna know what Tej's middle name is...
Kirk-Joe?
Kirk-Joe?
Its probably something like Kirk-Scott (I know its "S" something) Freeman.
Post by: Tallpine on October 20, 2007, 07:07:01 AM
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Tallpine: Did great granddaddy's horse trading forays perchance involve Al Gore's great granddaddy, said to have beeen "closely associated with the Pinkertons"?
Read that as "persued by"!
Read that as "persued by"!
Possible. Nobody seems to want to talk about it.
Or he could have been robbed and murdered. This was in the 1890s in Arkansaw.
On the other side of the family I'm supposed to be related to Lady Astor (American lady who became the first female MP). That and a buck gets me a cup of coffee almost everywhere.
Post by: Bogie on October 20, 2007, 08:20:50 AM
Post by: dglockster on October 20, 2007, 05:09:51 PM
Post by: El Tejon on October 21, 2007, 08:51:10 AM
Post by: Modifiedbrowning on October 21, 2007, 01:48:34 PM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 21, 2007, 04:06:54 PM
Ahsum Buht.