Post by: Ben on October 28, 2007, 07:25:50 AM
Post by: K Frame on October 28, 2007, 07:30:58 PM
NRA for years maintained, and still maintains, that that technology isn't good enough to be used to identify firearms to owners, yet they're using it for gun safes.
Yow.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 28, 2007, 07:32:52 PM
A guy in Japan defeated them using melted gummi bears as the positive impression.
Absolutely not ready for the market.
Post by: Euclidean on October 28, 2007, 07:35:33 PM
Post by: HankB on October 29, 2007, 05:16:58 AM
Post by: charby on October 29, 2007, 05:26:19 AM
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Post by: Ben on October 29, 2007, 06:03:15 AM
I have dials on my big safes, but was just curious on the alternatives for the "quick open next to wherever I am" kind. Guess I'll stick to the regular ones, they're cheaper anyway.
Post by: Firethorn on October 29, 2007, 07:46:11 AM
Wife and I were looking at gun safes the other day, she liked one with a only a keypad on it, I asked her what happens when the batteries die. She said we better be looking at the ones with combo dial.
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The ones I've seen have a battery that can be replaced from outside the vault. The secure electronics are stored inside, and are buffered so you can't just hook a device up to feed it the wrong voltage or automatically input codes.
Post by: charby on October 29, 2007, 07:51:40 AM
Wife and I were looking at gun safes the other day, she liked one with a only a keypad on it, I asked her what happens when the batteries die. She said we better be looking at the ones with combo dial.
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The ones I've seen have a battery that can be replaced from outside the vault. The secure electronics are stored inside, and are buffered so you can't just hook a device up to feed it the wrong voltage or automatically input codes.
Interesting, I'll have to check that out.
I have seen a few combo safes that also have a key lock built in, but you have to have the tumblers set right to use the key, seems like a PITA to me.
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Post by: K Frame on October 29, 2007, 07:54:39 AM
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on October 29, 2007, 01:07:20 PM
Post by: Euclidean on October 29, 2007, 08:56:19 PM
Post by: AntiqueCollector on November 01, 2007, 04:03:15 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/31/the-downside-to-using-a-biometric-car-lock/
Post by: charby on November 01, 2007, 04:51:59 PM
Everyone I've seen with an electrically driven mechanism has a key override.
I looked at one the other day that way just like that, it was nice, what I needed and I may purchase it.
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Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on November 01, 2007, 06:13:29 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on November 02, 2007, 04:25:39 AM
i like the ones that are 14 1/2 inches wide they fit in a stud bay and conceal great with kids you can keep stuff handy but safe
If you mean the V-line one, the "closet vault" that mounts into the wall between studs...the lock is extremely weak and can be popped with a screwdriver. In fact, it's so weak that it doesn't even qualify for the CA laws about secure gun storage, something even the $79 u-assemble cabinets passed. The V-line failed.
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The State of California requires the following disclaimer for sales within the state.
V-Lines Closet Vault model is legal to use and purchase inside Calif. However it is not classified as a safe as defined by CA DOJ and is not a registered Firearm Safety Device , therefore it cannot be used for the purchase of a new firearm in the state of California
WARNING: This gun safe does not meet the safety standards for gun safes specified in California Penal Code Section 12088.2. It does not satisfy the requirements of Penal Code Section 12088.1, which mandates that all firearms sold in California be accompanied by a firearms safety device or proof of ownership, as required by law, of a gun safe that meets the Section 12088.2 minimum safety standards developed by the California Attorney General.
V-Lines Closet Vault model is legal to use and purchase inside Calif. However it is not classified as a safe as defined by CA DOJ and is not a registered Firearm Safety Device , therefore it cannot be used for the purchase of a new firearm in the state of California
WARNING: This gun safe does not meet the safety standards for gun safes specified in California Penal Code Section 12088.2. It does not satisfy the requirements of Penal Code Section 12088.1, which mandates that all firearms sold in California be accompanied by a firearms safety device or proof of ownership, as required by law, of a gun safe that meets the Section 12088.2 minimum safety standards developed by the California Attorney General.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on November 02, 2007, 05:19:26 AM
i've used this one as well as a couple others you need to hide em but for keeping kids from shooting each other they work good