Post by: member1313 on November 29, 2007, 05:58:49 AM
Ever since I was a kid, my grandfather's stories of the South Pacific during WWII got me interested. He never told me the "bad" stories; only the funny ones, or ones with a good moral in the end. (Upon reading his war journal, I get to read the "bad" ones.)
Unfortunately, I really don't know what to expect. I think that movies have given me the wrong idea about the military, in that I can't see a Drill Sgt. constantly yelling, screaming, and berating everyone. I expect training to be difficult, but some of the stuff I see in movies has to be crap.
My grandfather passes a few years ago, and the only person I personally know is in Iraq, and has no time to talk to me, so this leaves me with the only outlet I have available: the internet.
Have you served? (If so, thank you!) What was training like? What was your usual week or day like? When did you get time off? Was the training really hard or did it get progressively harder?
I don't know; this is a very open, and general topic. I'm just looking for responses. Whether it's a story about serving, advice about joining, etc., I'll read it.
Post by: esheato on November 29, 2007, 06:52:03 AM
Basic training was cake (PT 4-5 times a week, lots of educational classes...mostly learning how to take orders). Technical training was ehh...trivial. Keep in mind this was 11 years ago also. Things are quite different now.
The big thing to remember about training is that it's temporary. It's a couple months of crap that will eventually end. And the drill instructors (or whatever new feel good term the USAF is using now) are just doing their job.
The first few years of service can be fairly strict with limits on what you can/can't do. The last few years my job has been like any other civilian job. I go to work M-F, 730-430. Only difference is that I don't have to decide what I'm wearing in the morning.
I can say I've met some truly awesome people. Friends I'll have for life...friends that I can call on for anything, anytime. I've also met some real losers. I know this because I've had to supervise them.
The military says that you get to see the world....and you do. Of course, they don't tell you it's the worst places in the world. I've spent much more time in FRY (Bosnia, Yugo) and the desert (read Kuwait and Iraq) than I have in Germany, England or western Europe "seeing the world."
All in all, I wouldn't trade the experience. I have a really unique job and a pretty big set of responsibilities. A job that I couldn't just walk into without the military background and training. The pay can always be better, but I'll get my dues after I retire. My job pays quite well on the outside.
USMC and Army are a different world. I see the Army (no offense intended) rolling around in the dirt, driving hummers, and wearing battle rattle everywhere. ...ehh, not my cup of tea but I'm certainly glad they're out there.
Ed
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 29, 2007, 06:59:19 AM
Forget about basic training/bootcamp. Its the process in which they intend to mold you into a member of that branch of the military. Not much can prepare a true civilian for the culture shock. Do what your told. Do it fast. Do it right. Don't think too much into anything. Keep your mouth shut unless appropriate. Its that simple.
Military life itself is a different world. Firstly, you're treated alot different than in boot camp. However, nobody for a minute is going to forget that you're fresh out of boot. You will be expected to think for yourself enough to stay out of trouble. You will be expected to learn your skill set and do your job. If you feel motivated enough, be a go getter. Work on the things that will get you promoted, without kissing ass. Do what your'e told, do it fast, and don't bitch too much about it.
Your life will be structured around your job first. After that, you'll get time off as appropriate. I was in the airwing of the Marines, as an Air Traffic Controller. My free time was my free time, as long as met my fit for duty requirements. Some branches or commands will not be as lenient with your personal time. You may be expected to stay on base during the week, or request permission to leave the base on weekends. This is especially true for duty stations outside the CONUS.
Your first step should be taking the Asvab, and deciding on the branch of service you wish to join. Obviously I'm partial to the Marines. It is a true Warrior Culture that will prepare you for modern warfare like no other branch. The principles you will be taught will change your outlook on life in general.
Post by: member1313 on November 29, 2007, 09:05:03 AM
No offense to anyone at all, but I don't intend to join the Marines, in the event I do join up.
I'm thinking more along the lines of the other three branches.
I do have some concerns I'd like some feedback on:
1. I have some college education. Does this help me or hurt me in any way? I haven't yet completed my bachelor's, but should in a little over one year.
2. I'm overweight. I don't want to be the fat guy that can't complete basic training. I intend to work on this before I ever enlist, but will weight be an issue in training? (I assume I'd lose some of it through training, anyhow.)
3. My personality. I'm quiet, reserved, and introverted. I hate to sound like a wuss, but I've always been apprehensive about new experiences. It's a stupid question, but would I get ripped apart by my peers or commanding officers?
(Wait... 
)4. I've never fired a gun in my entire life. Would this present a problem in training? (I assume you're taught what you need to know, but does a lack of prior experience present any problems?)
Post by: Thor on November 29, 2007, 09:17:26 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 29, 2007, 09:25:39 AM
Rob, depends on what area your baccalaureate degree is in. Sometimes, it may not be worth much except for rank/rate. A two year degree will get you E-3 off the bat for most services. A four year degree MIGHT get you into an officer's program, MAYBE. I was USN for 20 years and never regretted it. Being overweight could pose a problem. That all hinges on just how much overweight you are. A good weight loss program might be in order and I wouldn't wait too long to start it. A Recruiter could tell you just how overweight you are (or you could look it up online). The military DOES use a secondary standard for those that don't meet the height/weight chart standards and that is body fat percentage. It'd be best to see a recruiter to determine whether or not you fit into that category. You WILL lose weight during boot camp/ basic training. Boot camp/ Basic training is pretty much what others have said. A quiet, reserved personality might actually work to your benefit there. As far as guns go, whatever service you choose will teach you what you need to know. Guns weren't a very big part of Navy boot camp when I went through. (I think we spent a couple of hours classroom and another couple of hours at the range). I suppose my question would be is what branch ARE you considering??
Can't add much to that. Get on that weight loss now. Even if you decide not to join the military, you're awful young to be overweight, and will be suffering for it down the road. Trust me.
The only branches you're going to shoot much in are the Army or Marines. In the Navy/AF/CG you might do a very, very basic qualification, otherwise you won't see or handle a firearm a whole lot unless its part of your job (MP's, armory, etc).
Post by: Twycross on November 29, 2007, 09:39:54 AM
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1. I have some college education. Does this help me or hurt me in any way? I haven't yet completed my bachelor's, but should in a little over one year.
It will help. You can get up to E3 right off the bat assuming that you have enough credits, and E4 with a bachelors. My three semesters of college certainly haven't hurt me. It will put you a little above the 17-year-olds next to you.Quote
2. I'm overweight. I don't want to be the fat guy that can't complete basic training. I intend to work on this before I ever enlist, but will weight be an issue in training? (I assume I'd lose some of it through training, anyhow.)
It depends on how much your weight hurts your physical performance. As long as you can meet the minimum standard, the DSs won't care. Once you get into the regular Army, PT scores are very important (of course different MOSs will be different). It will affect your promotions, what schools you can go to, etc. But it is always something that can be improved. Assuming that you meet the entry requirements for height/weight and push yourself hard, you should be fine. Quote
3. My personality. I'm quiet, reserved, and introverted. I hate to sound like a wuss, but I've always been apprehensive about new experiences. It's a stupid question, but would I get ripped apart by my peers or commanding officers?
'Quiet, reserved, and introverted' describes me perfectly. You won't get ripped apart. Just don't hide in a hole or be a barracks rat, that's all. You don't have to be everybody's friend or the platoon daredevil to get along in the military.Quote
4. I've never fired a gun in my entire life. Would this present a problem in training? (I assume you're taught what you need to know, but does a lack of prior experience present any problems?)
Prior experience is certainly good, but not necessary. The military caters it's training to the lowest common denominator. There were several guys in my basic platoon who had never fired a weapon before, and they all shot fine by the end. To be honest, Basic (OSUT for me) is rather short in the long run. It's even kinda fun after you get over the culture shock and learn enough to know how to stay out of trouble. While there, your goal is to blend in. Never be first or last. That changes once you graduate, but overachievers just buy themselves unwanted attention in Basic.
Once you get to your unit, stay long enough that you are no longer considered a 'cherry', and prove yourself competent and intelligent, life gets a lot easier.
Post by: Bogie on November 29, 2007, 09:48:43 AM
Basic sucks. But the rest of it was pretty rocking.
Post by: member1313 on November 29, 2007, 09:58:22 AM
To put things into perspective: I'm 5'10" (give or take), and I should be about 160-180 lbs. depending on what chart you look at. I'm almost 240.
As far as what I'd want to do, I'd probably want to go towards military police, or intelligence, even. I do admit I don't really know what the intelligence people do, and probably for a good reason.
Post by: Bogie on November 29, 2007, 11:36:19 AM
Forget everything you ever learned about "dieting" too... Stick to proteins and fats, and minimize processed carbohydrates.
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 29, 2007, 11:58:22 AM
Oh, dude... you better hit the weight room, and start running/biking/swimming. In a BIG way.
Forget everything you ever learned about "dieting" too... Stick to proteins and fats, and minimize processed carbohydrates.
Forget everything you ever learned about "dieting" too... Stick to proteins and fats, and minimize processed carbohydrates.
For cardio you have to have some carbs. It should be ideally from whole wheats and grains, fruits and vegetables though.
Post by: Manedwolf on November 29, 2007, 12:03:30 PM
Double benefit...the more lean muscle mass you have, the more calories you burn even at rest. And forget the processed junk, the best energy bar, IMO, is a ripe, tasty banana.
And...you'll find you don't crave processed carbs, instead, you want MEAT RIGHT NOW. Protein cravings.
Post by: Thor on November 29, 2007, 12:07:17 PM
The other services are within a couple of pounds of that. I guess it would mean just what it's worth to you to join.
Post by: member1313 on November 29, 2007, 12:43:42 PM
I've tried losing weight in the past, and I never saw results. I've tried to cut back as much as possible on fast food, and eating out, as well as soda intake.
I realized a lot of unnecessary crap I consume purely through eating out and soda.
Then I started going to my university gym M-F after classes, and did an hour straight of cardio. I never lost a single pound.
Was what I was doing a bad idea? Or should I have added to it in some way?
Hell, forget that. What's a good way to start working on losing weight? It's almost winter where I live, so running might be out of the question. I don't have a bike, but I could buy one.
I should find some trails in my area to go to. I never liked those...racing bikes with the handles all curvy, so would a mountain bike do the job? (I guess any biking is better than none, right?)
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 29, 2007, 01:07:05 PM
As far as the services go, I was Navy, 1980- 1992. Submarine Service. I was an Electronics Tech on Fast Attack boats, I've deployed to the West Pacific, The Mediteranian Sea and the North Atlantic/Barents Sea. I've been under the Arctic ice and done some things that could be looked at as pretty cool.
Boot camp was a pain in the butt but was mostly head games, The technical training I got was top notch, as good as any you will find in the world. You will have good times and bad times and boring times. Don't go in looking for glory and action hero crap. I wouldn't go back for all the tea in china but I wouldn't have missed it for the world.
Post by: member1313 on November 29, 2007, 02:28:01 PM
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 29, 2007, 02:29:05 PM
On top of that, if you're serious, eliminate fast food and soda. Both are hollow, empty calories.
At the gym, don't just do cardio. You need to undertake a light weight program. You might not start losing weight right away, as your body will need to build muscle. Consider getting a personal trainer (as rkl said).
If you don't lose the weight, the military won't even look at you.
Consider a rigid mountain bike and commuting to school if its just a few miles away. You'll need lights and whatnot, but its worth it.
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 29, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
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I can't see a Drill Sgt. constantly yelling, screaming, and berating everyone.
Our Drill Sergeants did that for at least the first few weeks. After that, they only screamed, yelled and berated about half the time.
They don't really hate or despise you. They're just trained to treat you like dog-crap, and they do it for reasons that others here can express better than I can. It's part of the "head games." You will learn to put up with stress, miserable conditions and harsh treatment. Nothing you do will be good enough for them. You'll learn something about the excuses you use for mediocre performance, and find out that you have more guts than you thought. It will be good for you, and you'll laugh about it later. Go Army.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 29, 2007, 02:53:25 PM
What do you mean by "head games"? Can you elaborate on that?
Where to start...
Did you know it really really matters how you fold your underwear? we're talking life or death here! That ain't right recruit! drop and give me 50! MOVE MOVE MOVE!!!!
Imagine some of the most chicken squat BS you put up with in high school and add a screaming vein popping DI or Company Commander on the end of it.
Then Boot camp is over and on to real military life where every pencil-necked geek you see that has more stripes than you has some way of making your life miserable just because he can. Then if you live long enough you get to be the rat-b*at*rd making someone else's life miserable so they learn how to do their job with out killing themselves and everyone around them just like you did.
Post by: Thor on November 29, 2007, 03:06:39 PM
Post by: thebaldguy on November 29, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
Post by: Thor on November 29, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
BTW, Rob, what field of study do you intend on getting your degree in??
Post by: member1313 on November 29, 2007, 06:00:57 PM
(Note to those who think they know what psychology is, and how useful the degree is: I don't care, and chances are, you have no idea what you're talking about.
)Edit: I wouldn't be averse to the idea of continuing my education, and becoming a psychologist for the military. I've read far too many things from veterans returning from war, as well as things written by those closely related to said veteran's regarding their mental health. I really wish I could help them.
Post by: Bogie on November 29, 2007, 07:57:11 PM
It's not about the scale. Pounds don't really mean a lot. What means a lot is muscle vs. fat.
And you know that if you work out, and continue to eat the same, a lot of times you'll GAIN weight. And you'll wonder what the heck is going on, except your clothes are getting looser...
Seriously. You need to lose about 30 pounds, or more, to even think about it. "Women's diet" type stuff isn't going to cut it for you. Don't even go there. No sugar. No processed carbs. Just meat, fat, and lots and lots of iron and sweat.
Post by: member1313 on November 30, 2007, 06:24:23 AM
I've always preferred to be as minimalist as possible, meaning I prefer to rely on equipment I either don't have to travel to or can have with me in some way. (This is why I've always liked push ups, sit ups, etc.)
Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 06:26:05 AM
Would buying a small free weight set at a sporting goods store be a good idea, or is going to an actual gym absolutely necessary?
I've always preferred to be as minimalist as possible, meaning I prefer to rely on equipment I either don't have to travel to or can have with me in some way. (This is why I've always liked push ups, sit ups, etc.)
I've always preferred to be as minimalist as possible, meaning I prefer to rely on equipment I either don't have to travel to or can have with me in some way. (This is why I've always liked push ups, sit ups, etc.)
If you don't talk to a trainer, you can pull something or more seriously injure yourself, or just not get any benefit at all.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 30, 2007, 06:35:18 AM
Post by: member1313 on November 30, 2007, 06:40:50 AM
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on November 30, 2007, 07:41:01 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 30, 2007, 07:58:05 AM
Psychology.
(Note to those who think they know what psychology is, and how useful the degree is: I don't care, and chances are, you have no idea what you're talking about.)
Edit: I wouldn't be averse to the idea of continuing my education, and becoming a psychologist for the military. I've read far too many things from veterans returning from war, as well as things written by those closely related to said veteran's regarding their mental health. I really wish I could help them.
(Note to those who think they know what psychology is, and how useful the degree is: I don't care, and chances are, you have no idea what you're talking about.
)Edit: I wouldn't be averse to the idea of continuing my education, and becoming a psychologist for the military. I've read far too many things from veterans returning from war, as well as things written by those closely related to said veteran's regarding their mental health. I really wish I could help them.
Actually, in the military, a psy degree is probably damn useful. As a leader you have to get inside people's heads. In military intel, same thing. What is the other guy thinking?
Plus, with no end in sight to the current war(s), the military will need psychologists to help with PTSD cases.
Get your weight down and finish the degree. I bet you'll have a good shot at OCS.
Post by: Moondoggie on November 30, 2007, 08:15:33 AM
With your weight issues, you will have trruble getting into any branch, although the air force might be the most lenient in that regard.
Think of recruit training as several weeks of 24/7 gym class. Lots of yelling and performance related training. Nobody else has any program anything like the Marines. I'm a retired Master Gunnery Sergeant and served a successful 2 yr tour as a DI. Boot Camp in the Marines is no longer as profanity-laced as "Full Metal Jacket"...but the times have changed from the circa 1970 depicted in the film, too. I go to sleep at night secure in the knowledge that some where at Paris Island or San Diego MCRD some recruit is about to wet his pants because there's an upset DI about 2 inches from his face, and many of the recruits are going to bed at night wondering "what have I done?" (by enlisting). It's not everybody's cup of tea, and no hard feelings for not being interested in my Marine Corps.
Best of luck to you, rotunda-body.
Post by: Thor on November 30, 2007, 08:30:02 AM
Rob, like Jamis said, psych is a good degree to have and for the reasons he mentioned. Finish it off, lose the weight, and go from there. That is unless you really want to join up in the next few months, for whatever reason you choose. You can always finish your degree while in whatever branch you choose and they'll pay the majority of it. It's all on you and up to you as to what you decide and why.
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2007, 01:10:03 PM
2. I'm overweight. I don't want to be the fat guy that can't complete basic training. I intend to work on this before I ever enlist, but will weight be an issue in training? (I assume I'd lose some of it through training, anyhow.)
In my Basic Training platoon, we had two guys with the last name Martin. One was thin and pimple-faced, the other was all plump and bald and chubby-like. So, they became Fat Martin and Skinny Martin. ]
At first, we doubted that Fat Martin would make it at all. I think he did too. He wasn't the only chubby guy in the platoon, but he was probably the least physically fit. For a while there, he just looked desperate, scared and totally overcome. They ran him ragged. But he improved, and his confidence returned. By the end of the cycle, everybody thought he was just the coolest guy.
The last time I saw him, he got a sweet, cushy detail at the lake at Fort Hood. He spent his summers renting boats and meeting girls.
Post by: TF_FH on November 30, 2007, 01:43:22 PM
2. I'm overweight. I don't want to be the fat guy that can't complete basic training. I intend to work on this before I ever enlist, but will weight be an issue in training? (I assume I'd lose some of it through training, anyhow.)
I did Air Force back in 2001, I was the fat guy they thought wouldn't complete it. They timed us for a mile and a half on our second day and I got about 13 of the 15 laps done at 34 minutes. I ended up getting recycled for some other things, but after 9 weeks of basic (at the time it was normally 6) I was able to meet the 18 minute mile and a half standard at the time. (17:55 
) But they have been getting tougher on the PT side of things from what I hear from the new airmen that come into the squadron. So it will be useful to actually get started on exercise, but I wouldn't worry about not making it through. If I can do it... Well.... 
In my Basic Training platoon, we had two guys with the last name Martin. One was thin and pimple-faced, the other was all plump and bald and chubby-like. So, they became Fat Martin and Skinny Martin.
We had two guys named Church. One was white, one was black. The TI heard us say "black church" about 2 weeks after we started calling them white and black church. It was pretty funny watching his eyes widen and tell us that we needed to cut it out before HE got in trouble. 
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 01, 2007, 02:12:09 AM
We had a racist in our platoon, was overheard using "*let's not go there*" by a DI. The Senior was a skinny, cranky, weathered grunt Staff sgt. Kicked the racists ass when he heard it. Only time I saw physical violence directed towards a recruit. Same guy turned out to be our Honor Graduate, with perfect scores at the range and PFT and a new attitude.
Post by: Stetson on December 01, 2007, 02:30:41 AM
Boot camp is all psychological if you can hang with the physical part. My Company Commander was a Master Chief Bosuns Mate, SEAL and had 32 yrs in. We were his last company before retirement. The other Company Commander was a Chief Boiler Tech, UDT Diver. I will NEVER forget them, owe them alot for who I turned out to be. IF you can handle the physical stress they put on you, boot camp is a piece of cake. Especially for a psych major.
As to which branch to join, it's up to you. When I went to the recruiting station, I had an appointment with the AF guy, he never showed. The Marine recruiter wasn't interested in talking to me but the 2 Navy recruiters were and thats where I ended up. The branch you join depends on what you want out of it. Talk to as many people as you can from each branch. All have their good and bad points and no one but you can make the right decision for you.
Post by: Gewehr98 on December 01, 2007, 09:34:40 AM
http://www.af.mil/news/USAF_Fitness_Charts.pdf
Basic Training/ROTC/Academy fitness programs tend to be more stringent than what's administered to Permanent Party. They've got to turn couch potatoes into AEF deployment-ready troops in a relatively short time. (It ain't your papa's, or grandpa's Air Force anymore...)
Since I couldn't run worth sour owl poop with my flat feet and bowed legs, I got damned good at hammering out a lot of push-ups and sit-ups.
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
Post by: member1313 on December 01, 2007, 03:26:02 PM
Post by: gunsmith on December 01, 2007, 03:53:21 PM
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I can't see a Drill Sgt. constantly yelling, screaming, and berating everyone.
That never happens. Drills are always caring,loving people who just want you to "be the best you can be".
Also, pay attention to commercials because they don't show half the fun, you'll go surfing and camping out with your new friends, jog through neighborhoods in formation while people smile and wave.
You will have an amazing amount of free time, and if a job is difficult because of a shortage or lack of people to assist, your superior officers will be very understanding and cut you some slack.
You believe me, don't you?
Post by: The Viking on December 01, 2007, 04:25:51 PM
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I can't see a Drill Sgt. constantly yelling, screaming, and berating everyone.
That never happens. Drills are always caring,loving people who just want you to "be the best you can be".
Also, pay attention to commercials because they don't show half the fun, you'll go surfing and camping out with your new friends, jog through neighborhoods in formation while people smile and wave.
You will have an amazing amount of free time, and if a job is difficult because of a shortage or lack of people to assist, your superior officers will be very understanding and cut you some slack.
You believe me, don't you?
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Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 01, 2007, 05:21:22 PM
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I can't see a Drill Sgt. constantly yelling, screaming, and berating everyone.
That never happens. Drills are always caring,loving people who just want you to "be the best you can be".
Also, pay attention to commercials because they don't show half the fun, you'll go surfing and camping out with your new friends, jog through neighborhoods in formation while people smile and wave.
You will have an amazing amount of free time, and if a job is difficult because of a shortage or lack of people to assist, your superior officers will be very understanding and cut you some slack.
You believe me, don't you?
Were you Pvt. Benjamin's recruiter?
ROFLMAO!
Post by: RevDisk on December 02, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
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I can't see a Drill Sgt. constantly yelling, screaming, and berating everyone.
According to rumor, drills are human beings. I never believed it, personally, but that's what they say. Had two drills. One yelled on a regular basis. Didn't bother anyone at all after the first week. One almost never yelled. He scared the ever lovin daylights out of every single one of us. The entire time. One kid broke down when the drill stared at him for about 45 seconds straight. He was transferred out for unspecified reasons about 3/4ths of the way through. Probably for psych reasons.
That never happens. Drills are always caring,loving people who just want you to "be the best you can be".
Also, pay attention to commercials because they don't show half the fun, you'll go surfing and camping out with your new friends, jog through neighborhoods in formation while people smile and wave.
You will have an amazing amount of free time, and if a job is difficult because of a shortage or lack of people to assist, your superior officers will be very understanding and cut you some slack.
You believe me, don't you?
Also, pay attention to commercials because they don't show half the fun, you'll go surfing and camping out with your new friends, jog through neighborhoods in formation while people smile and wave.
You will have an amazing amount of free time, and if a job is difficult because of a shortage or lack of people to assist, your superior officers will be very understanding and cut you some slack.
You believe me, don't you?
BWAHAHAHA
Post by: member1313 on December 02, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
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I can't see a Drill Sgt. constantly yelling, screaming, and berating everyone.
That never happens. Drills are always caring,loving people who just want you to "be the best you can be".
Also, pay attention to commercials because they don't show half the fun, you'll go surfing and camping out with your new friends, jog through neighborhoods in formation while people smile and wave.
You will have an amazing amount of free time, and if a job is difficult because of a shortage or lack of people to assist, your superior officers will be very understanding and cut you some slack.
You believe me, don't you?
.Actually, what is the pay like? I imagine it's not $50,000 per year.
And are the rumors about women liking men in uniforms true?
Post by: Thor on December 02, 2007, 04:18:08 PM
As for the uniforms, it kind of depends on where you are. Sometimes, yes, sometimes, no.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 02, 2007, 06:31:43 PM
And are the rumors about women liking men in uniforms true?
I was busing tables at a restaurant where military convoys often stopped in, and overheard two waitresses discussing their attraction to uniformed men. One said, "It's because you know he has a job."
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 03, 2007, 02:37:46 AM
And there is only one uniform that will always get you laid.
The other services aren't so lucky....
Post by: The Viking on December 03, 2007, 07:37:43 AM
The pay is bad. But you always have a roof over your head (or a tent), and something to eat (even if its MRE's).
And there is only one uniform that will always get you laid.
The other services aren't so lucky....
I can't enlist in the USMC, even if I had a green card. They've gotten picky about tattoos it seems. Especially tattoos that are below the elbow, which I have...
And there is only one uniform that will always get you laid.
The other services aren't so lucky....
Post by: ilbob on December 03, 2007, 07:54:43 AM
Post by: The Viking on December 03, 2007, 08:08:10 AM
I read somewhere that the US military is now offering to remove tattoos at the military's expense from people who are otherwise qualified. As I recall what i read, it is not a very pleasant procedure, and only suitable for relatively small tattooed areas.
I've got almost the entire inside of my lower arm tattooed (a beautiful pirate girl) . Not something that's easily removed. Pain does not bother me though. If you've ever been tattooed on/near the elbow, or on your chest, everything else that can be done to you seems pretty pale in comparison.
Post by: member1313 on December 03, 2007, 08:19:07 AM
The pay is bad. But you always have a roof over your head (or a tent), and something to eat (even if its MRE's).
And there is only one uniform that will always get you laid.
The other services aren't so lucky....
Marines are just compensating for something! And there is only one uniform that will always get you laid.
The other services aren't so lucky....
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 03, 2007, 08:24:09 AM
This article explains the why on the tattos pretty well.
Rob:
Compensating for what? A warrior culture that wins battles? Pride? Courage? Honor?
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2007, 08:36:02 AM
Post by: The Viking on December 03, 2007, 09:09:00 AM
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/03/marine_tattoo_changes_032007/
This article explains the why on the tattos pretty well.
Rob:
Compensating for what? A warrior culture that wins battles? Pride? Courage? Honor?
Seems like no two commanders interprets it the same way This article explains the why on the tattos pretty well.
Rob:
Compensating for what? A warrior culture that wins battles? Pride? Courage? Honor?
.Post by: Stetson on December 03, 2007, 10:26:56 AM
The pay is bad. But you always have a roof over your head (or a tent), and something to eat (even if its MRE's).
And there is only one uniform that will always get you laid.
The other services aren't so lucky....
And there is only one uniform that will always get you laid.
The other services aren't so lucky....
Look at the 2 women in that pic, they can't be too picky.
And I NEVER had a problem and it wasn't a Marine uniform
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 03, 2007, 10:38:43 AM
Post by: member1313 on December 03, 2007, 11:24:06 AM
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/03/marine_tattoo_changes_032007/
This article explains the why on the tattos pretty well.
Rob:
Compensating for what? A warrior culture that wins battles? Pride? Courage? Honor?
Did the smiley face not indicate the sarcasm? I was just joking around.
This article explains the why on the tattos pretty well.
Rob:
Compensating for what? A warrior culture that wins battles? Pride? Courage? Honor?
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 03, 2007, 05:31:35 PM
Marines are just compensating for something!
That's the spirit!
Compensating for what?
Don't get me started.
Post by: Thor on December 03, 2007, 06:06:25 PM
BTW, there's a REASON the Marines are called, "Sea going Bellhops".........
Post by: member1313 on December 03, 2007, 08:53:35 PM
Military Pay scales Bear in mind that this is just base pay. You could get additional allowances.
As for the uniforms, it kind of depends on where you are. Sometimes, yes, sometimes, no.
Is that monthly or yearly pay?As for the uniforms, it kind of depends on where you are. Sometimes, yes, sometimes, no.
I really hope that's by the month.
Post by: Twycross on December 04, 2007, 12:51:44 AM
Post by: member1313 on December 04, 2007, 06:19:58 AM
That's half-decent pay when pretty much all of it is pure profit considering the military covers most of your expenses (or so I'm told).
I actually found out my best friend has been considering joining, so the both of us might end up joining.
One thing I want to throw out there: he wants to become a firefighter, and I'd like to become either a police officer or do something with psychology (I can't decide). What could either of us do in the military that would help us if we decided to come back to the civilian world?
Post by: ilbob on December 04, 2007, 06:26:14 AM
Thank God.
That's half-decent pay when pretty much all of it is pure profit considering the military covers most of your expenses (or so I'm told).
I actually found out my best friend has been considering joining, so the both of us might end up joining.
One thing I want to throw out there: he wants to become a firefighter, and I'd like to become either a police officer or do something with psychology (I can't decide). What could either of us do in the military that would help us if we decided to come back to the civilian world?
Its pretty good pay for an entry level position where all the training is thrown in for free, you get paid for doing the training, your room and board is covered, and you get a pretty decent set of bennies. That's half-decent pay when pretty much all of it is pure profit considering the military covers most of your expenses (or so I'm told).
I actually found out my best friend has been considering joining, so the both of us might end up joining.
One thing I want to throw out there: he wants to become a firefighter, and I'd like to become either a police officer or do something with psychology (I can't decide). What could either of us do in the military that would help us if we decided to come back to the civilian world?
OTOH, despite what the ads say, a lot of military jobs do not do much to directly prepare you for civillian jobs. Most military job skills don't directly correspond to civillian ones, although there are plenty of exceptions where they do. What they often do though, is help prepare you for life a lot quicker then someone who did not join the military.
Post by: member1313 on December 04, 2007, 12:16:23 PM
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Post by: Perd Hapley on December 04, 2007, 01:09:37 PM
I just found out something wonderful! Both of my parents will likely disown me if I choose to join.
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What? Why would they do that?
Post by: Balog on December 04, 2007, 01:11:57 PM
I just found out something wonderful! Both of my parents will likely disown me if I choose to join.
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Why? Are they flaming anti-war hippy types or just uber-controlling "our way or else" people?
Either way your better off without em. If their love for you is so shallow they'll cut you off for this, screw em. Just because they gave birth to you doesn't mean they aren't bad people.
Post by: member1313 on December 04, 2007, 03:57:58 PM
When my cousin joined (who's currently in Iraq), my father was pretty angry about it, despite that he could count the number of times they've spoken face-to-face on his hands.
I've never told anyone this, but I've always had a fascination with the military. I've always wanted to wear the uniform, carry the responsibility of a weapon, and be able to stand up straight knowing I can defend myself. I always just kept quiet because I knew my father would hate it.
On an unrelated topic: what do you do with your stuff if you join? I know you can't bring personal things with you, so what do you do if you have a computer, guitar, TV, various other odds and ends you'd like back if you decided to return to civilian life? Rent a storage thingy?
Post by: RevDisk on December 04, 2007, 04:07:27 PM
On an unrelated topic: what do you do with your stuff if you join? I know you can't bring personal things with you, so what do you do if you have a computer, guitar, TV, various other odds and ends you'd like back if you decided to return to civilian life? Rent a storage thingy?
Once you're definitely going active, ebay the majority and then invest in a certificate of deposit. Anything relatively small with little resell value, put in storage and have someone trusted mail it to you once you're out of basic and AIT. If you're just going reserves or NG, storage.
Post by: Twycross on December 04, 2007, 04:11:24 PM
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On an unrelated topic: what do you do with your stuff if you join? I know you can't bring personal things with you, so what do you do if you have a computer, guitar, TV, various other odds and ends you'd like back if you decided to return to civilian life? Rent a storage thingy?
Huh? You can't bring much of any personal stuff with you when you leave for Basic, but after you graduate that, you can have all the personal crap you want (provided that you have room for it). Just leave your stuff with somebody or in storage when you go off to Basic, and then come back on leave and get it as soon as you have settled in to your unit and have some place to put it all. Or have someone you trust ship it to your new address.
Post by: Thor on December 04, 2007, 04:44:43 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 04, 2007, 04:59:47 PM
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On an unrelated topic: what do you do with your stuff if you join? I know you can't bring personal things with you, so what do you do if you have a computer, guitar, TV, various other odds and ends you'd like back if you decided to return to civilian life? Rent a storage thingy?
Huh? You can't bring much of any personal stuff with you when you leave for Basic, but after you graduate that, you can have all the personal crap you want (provided that you have room for it). Just leave your stuff with somebody or in storage when you go off to Basic, and then come back on leave and get it as soon as you have settled in to your unit and have some place to put it all. Or have someone you trust ship it to your new address.Precisely. Most people just leave it with Mom/Dad/whoever, then get it later on. You'll probably get some leave after Basic and/or AIT, so you can spend some time with the folks/friends, and get whatever personal belongings you need before going somewhere more permanent.
In my unit, the barracks were two-man rooms, like dormitories. Computers and guitars and such were perfectly welcome. If you live off-post, you'll probably have even more room. When we went on deployments, the unit would arrange for storage for us. We moved our cars to a fenced-off parking lot, etc.
If you have guns, and live on post, you will probably need to store them with someone off-post, or rent a storage unit. BE DISCRETE. Do NOT bother with keeping them in the company arms'-room. Unless you have a very understanding chain of command that will arrange for you to get your guns out of storage whenever you want them, and make sure they don't get messed with while being stored. Good luck.
Post by: Bogie on December 04, 2007, 06:06:15 PM
LEAVE OUT THE WHOLE BIT ABOUT WANTING THE MATURITY THAT COMES WITH CARRYING AROUND A BOOMSTICK.
For one thing, wherever you got that idea from, that's bullbleep.
What military service WILL give you is experience at being responsible. PERIOD.
Post by: member1313 on December 04, 2007, 06:57:09 PM
The first time I saw my cousin after he enlisted, he walked, talked, and looked different. When he shook my hand, there was a sense of pride and confidence, as opposed to the last time I talked to him before he enlisted, where he was (no offense to him) just a "normal" guy.
Unfortunately, my mom has never liked the idea of the military. I'm pretty sure she meant she would disown me if I joined before the Iraq war was over with. My dad might budge, but I don't know. I'll have to run it by him again without coming right out with it.
And you can have stuff with you after basic? I thought the military was very strict about what you could do.
Can someone give me a brief idea of what happens after you enlist? For example, how long is it until you leave for training, where do you go for training, how long is training, where do you go after that? What's daily life like on a military base? etc.
Really--I'm open to hearing anything. I really should finish reading my grandfather's war journal...
Post by: Thor on December 04, 2007, 07:21:33 PM
As for Officers, I have a clue, but not a very good one.
Post by: Twycross on December 04, 2007, 07:50:24 PM
For the army, you will have 9 weeks of Basic Combat Training, and then you go to Advanced Individual Training (AIT) for you MOS-specific instruction. The length of your AIT will be dependent on your MOS (could be 5 weeks, could be six months). Locations for BCT/AIT vary as well. There are several posts that offer BCT, and the AITs are scattered all over. After that, assuming that you have no further options in your contract (Airborne, RIP, Special Forces), you should be given an opportunity to take 10 days leave. At the end of the ten days (if you decide to take them), you report to your unit (wherever that may be).
I can tell you how my infantry unit does day-to-day stuff right now, but it may not be of much use to you since you aren't looking at infantry. The day starts at 0630 for PT, which goes until around 0745. We get released for breakfast/shower, then come back at 0900 to start the duty day. I can't tell you what we really do on a normal day for actual 'work', since I really don't know firsthand. I went straight from my 'training' phase to Iraq, and just got back about a month ago, so I haven't seen any 'normal' days (we aren't doing anything productive right now
) But it's off to lunch at 1130, back on at 1300 till 1700. Weekends are off. Not a bad gig, really.Anyhow, that's how it is for the enlisted.
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As long as you aren't getting into trouble with the law, aren't making yourself or the unit look bad, follow unit rules of conduct/availability, and show general financial/personal responsibility, you're personal time/space is more or less your own.
As long as you aren't getting into trouble with the law, aren't making yourself or the unit look bad, follow unit rules of conduct/availability, and show general financial/personal responsibility, you're personal time/space is more or less your own.
Post by: member1313 on December 05, 2007, 05:42:15 AM
It must suck being assigned your unit and getting there. I hate being the "new guy."
The only real fear about joining the military would be to not be accepted. I was always the shy guy without tons of friends, so of course the popular kids in high school made fun of me. It's funny how that never happens in college, but the terrible high school experiences stick with you....
Post by: Thor on December 05, 2007, 06:31:45 AM
Post by: member1313 on December 05, 2007, 09:45:29 AM
I imagine that differs based on where you are and who you're with.
Post by: Thor on December 05, 2007, 10:08:33 AM
Post by: Twycross on December 05, 2007, 10:19:21 AM
It's not hard to keep a squared away uniform, but as far as the Navy goes, one doesn't have to be "inspection ready" at all times. Pretty much, you do your job, be on time to work, you'll get by just fine. It's not all THAT tough after the training phases. It's almost more like a regular job, except for deployments and such.
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How strict are things? Meaning, will you get reamed if your uniform isn't perfect, or anything else there are rules about?
I imagine that differs based on where you are and who you're with.
It is very strict indeed in Basic, but much more relaxed once you get out. With ACUs, keeping your uniform squared away is pretty much just a matter of keeping a proper relationship between your pantlegs and your boots, cutting off loose strings, and making sure that your pockets are closed. I imagine that differs based on where you are and who you're with.
It's really not that hard to keep people off your back. Just show proper respect, learn everything you can about your job, and always give 110%.
You don't have to be outgoing and effervescent to be accepted. Your squadmates won't care about your personality nearly as much as they will care about whether or not they can trust you to watch their back in a firefight.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 05, 2007, 10:28:06 AM
How strict are things? Meaning, will you get reamed if your uniform isn't perfect, or anything else there are rules about?
I imagine that differs based on where you are and who you're with.
I imagine that differs based on where you are and who you're with.
Yes, yes it does.
Depends on branch of service, then on command or duty station, then on your unit, then on your officers and then on your NCO's. Anywhere in there someone can choose to be a stickler, or just stick to normal regulation.
Post by: member1313 on December 05, 2007, 07:31:48 PM
I imagine the first thing you're given is your uniform at basic, but what about things like rifles, load-bearing equipment, etc. When you arrive at your unit, how do the weapons work? Are they locked up? Do you have it with you at all times?
Post by: Twycross on December 05, 2007, 07:51:42 PM
Once you get to your duty station, you get issued a bunch of gear/clothing/miscellaneous when you first process into Division, and then you get more after you get to your company. You will be issued a weapon, but it stays locked up in the company arms room unless you are going to a range or some other event where you would need it.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 05, 2007, 07:59:50 PM
My experience:
Upon arrival at Fort Benning, I went to a reception battalion for about one week. This is where we got uniforms and dog tags, as well as getting dental exams, insurance, etc. Then we went to Basic.
Load-bearing equipment, ponchos, helmets and such (it's called TA-50) were issued by the duty station and returned upon leaving. That is, I got a set at Fort Benning and turned it back in at the end of Basic (OSUT in my case). I got some more at Fort Hood (my permanent duty station), and turned it back in when processing out. My unit (the 2-5 Cav, 1st Cavalry Division) issued additional items, such as gas mask, ruck sack, chemical-protective clothing.
Weapons:
They will be kept in arms rooms at your unit headquarters (which for us, was downstairs from the barracks). You will only see it when The Man wants you to (which could be for an hour, a day, a week, and so on). You will not get ammo for it until it is time to shoot. When you do have custody of the weapon, you will keep it with you at all times. In circumstances where this is not possible, the weapon must be left in someone else's care. You can't just lock it in a vehicle, or in a room, or something.
Of course, you WILL go to Iraq or Afghanistan at some point, in which case I suppose (I hope) you will have the weapon and the ammo at all times. Even when flying in a commercial airliner with a machine gun between your knees.
Post by: member1313 on December 05, 2007, 08:02:24 PM
I'm one of those types that likes to get as much information on things beforehand so I'm better prepared to make a decision later on. I hope it's alright I'm asking so many questions; I guess it might look a little...odd.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 05, 2007, 08:05:07 PM
I hope it's alright I'm asking so many questions; I guess it might look a little...odd.
Odd? No, this is a big decision. You should have as much info as possible. Don't tell anybody, but I'm such a nerd, I went to the library. Word of warning - don't read David Hackworth's About Face. It may cause you to go Army Infantry.
Post by: Bogie on December 05, 2007, 09:06:08 PM
Also, they don't give you guns to play around with... Possession of The Boomstick keeps coming up with you. Dude, guns are a MINOR part of military life. You'll need one if you get attacked. You'll need one if you're at the pointy end of things (aka "The Front Lines"). The rest of the time, it's something to accidentally drop. And they're heavy. And stuff sticks out in awkward spots.
Answer me this - What do you want to be doing 20 years from now?
Post by: member1313 on December 06, 2007, 12:34:37 AM
Post by: Bogie on December 06, 2007, 08:30:46 AM
Start working on your strategy.
Post by: RevDisk on December 06, 2007, 01:23:52 PM
Of course, you WILL go to Iraq or Afghanistan at some point, in which case I suppose (I hope) you will have the weapon and the ammo at all times. Even when flying in a commercial airliner with a machine gun between your knees.
I remember flying back to the States the first time. Stopped in Shannon, Ireland and hit up the duty free store. Even mil have to go through customs entering the US, so I declared my two bottles of booze and the customs guy demanded the receipt. "Sure, sir. Do me a favor and hold this for a second." I had the customs guy hold my SAW while I searched for a tiny slip of paper in my bags. Oddly enough, no one saw this as being strange or surreal.
Post by: Balog on December 06, 2007, 01:35:55 PM
Post by: MillCreek on December 06, 2007, 01:51:55 PM
Rob, short of winning the lottery or having a Hollywood megastarlet decide that she can't live without you, how do you plan on making that happen?
Start working on your strategy.
Start working on your strategy.
My retirement plan involves finding and marrying a rich doctor, preferably female. The current Mrs. MillCreek is not very supportive of this goal.
Post by: mgdavis on December 06, 2007, 02:36:34 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 06, 2007, 04:34:01 PM
Of course, you WILL go to Iraq or Afghanistan at some point, in which case I suppose (I hope) you will have the weapon and the ammo at all times. Even when flying in a commercial airliner with a machine gun between your knees.
I remember flying back to the States the first time. Stopped in Shannon, Ireland and hit up the duty free store. Even mil have to go through customs entering the US, so I declared my two bottles of booze and the customs guy demanded the receipt. "Sure, sir. Do me a favor and hold this for a second." I had the customs guy hold my SAW while I searched for a tiny slip of paper in my bags. Oddly enough, no one saw this as being strange or surreal.
Tower Air?
Post by: Powderman on December 12, 2007, 08:23:54 PM
I'll tell you a story....
When I was age 16, I was in a dilemma. I wanted to be a cop. My mother wanted me to be an accountant. I mentioned this to a friend of the family--a much older gentleman. He looked at me and said, "Maybe it's time to stop worrying about what your Mom wants you to be, and worry about what YOU want to be".
If you want to enlist, and you're in your 20's, do it. Do it as soon as possible.
Basic Training/Boot Camp is hard, no two ways about it. But, you WILL survive. Millions of men and women have been through the same thing; you can do it, if you put your mind to it and REFUSE to quit.
About your weight....
LOSE IT. PERIOD.
Someone mentioned earlier the one and ONLY key to lose weight. Less IN, more OUT.
So, you wanna get skinny, eh? Here ya go.
Start off simple. Don't worry about weight training yet.
First, WARM UP. Stretch for at LEAST 15 minutes prior to exercise, especially if you're starting out. Some side straddle hops (jumping jacks) will get the blood flowing.
Now, for the exercise....Start with the push-up. The proper way to do it is as follows:
Body aligned, feet together or up to 12 inches apart, head erect. The body should present an even plane from heels to shoulders. Hands should be 1 1/2 times your body width apart.
Begin by lowering your body as a unit until your chest is 4 inches from the floor. Now, raise your body as a unit until your elbows lock. That is one repetition.
To start with, concentrate on doing FIVE correct pushups per day. No waving, both hands on the floor. If you absolutely must, do ONE correct pushup, rest for about 30 seconds, and do another. Stay at that level until you can do five correct pushups.
Next is the situp. You need a partner for this one.
You will practice two types of situps. Both will involve having your feet flat on the floor, and your legs bent. For the Army standard, your legs will be bent at a 45 degree angle; they can be slightly apart, and the only part of the foot that MUST stay in contact with the floor is the heel.
For the Marine Corps, your legs will be together, bent at a more acute angle, and your partner will sit on your feet and hold your legs together.
For the Army standard, your hands will be clasped behind your head, fingers interlocked and joined.
For the Marine Corps, your hands will be crossed across your chest.
You will raise your body to the sitting position, until your elbows touch your knees (Army) or until you are past the perfect vertical plane (Marine Corps). You will then lower your body until your shoulder blades (Marine Corps) or the backs of your hands (Army) touch the ground.
Start with 10 repetitions of this exercise.
Now, you will walk. You will start with power walking, stepping with a full 40 inch stride, at a quick time cadence (80 steps per minute). This is a beginning speedwalking pace, but it isn't hard. Minimize your arm swing, concentrate on walking fast.
You must ensure that you have shoes that fit properly; do NOT skimp on your shoes.
You will walk for a MINIMUM of 30 minutes for the first two weeks. Concentrate on raising a GOOD sweat.
These are beginning exercises. Increase push ups and sit ups by one repetition each week for five cycles; then, increase by two repetitions per week for two weeks. After that, you will do push ups and situps to muscle failure.
For the cardio, increase your walking to one hour after the first three weeks. After two weeks more, walk/jog for 30 minutes for two weeks. Then, walk/jog for an hour for two weeks. Finally, jog for 30 minutes for two weeks, and then for an hour for two weeks.
After that, start going for distance. 2 miles for two weeks, 2 1/2 for two weeks, 3 miles for two weeks.
Here is your target:
40 to 45 CORRECT pushups, without raising your hands from the ground, non-stop.
50 bent leg situps (Army Standard) or 70 crunches (Marine Corps), nonstop, executed correctly.
3 mile run in 25 minutes.
Edited to add something I forgot...For the Marine Corps, get ready to do some pull ups. Here's how to train:
Find a bar that will support your weight. With arms pronated (palms facing away) or supinated (palms toward you) hang on the bar. Start for ten seconds, three or four times per day. Then, lengthen the time. This is for the first week.
In the second week, hang by the bar, and try your best to do at least one pull up. If this is not possible, do a flexed arm hang. Again, make your time ten seconds, three sets per day. Do this for the second week. Continue the flexed arm hang until you can do a pull up. (Hint: If you are exercising in accordance with the schedule I posted earlier, you will find that as you lose weight, your pullups become much easier. Coincidence? I think not.
)Here is the standard: You will grasp the bar, palms pronated or supinated. You will then pull yourself straight upward until your chin clears the bar, with your head and eyes level above the bar. Then lower yourself until your arms are fully extended. No bicycling or kipping (giving a bit of a swing to add momentum). You will practice until you can do at least 10 pullups.
Realistically, it will probably take you 6 months to reach this mark, if you train religiously. Don't forget to stretch.
If you want to go in, DO IT! Make the decision yourself. Don't worry your parents won't disown you, either.
Yours,
Powderman
(career Army NCO)
Post by: BridgeWalker on December 12, 2007, 09:13:42 PM
Post by: member1313 on December 13, 2007, 06:14:40 AM
Sorry to hear about your shoulder, delta.
Edit: One thing I wanted to ask:
In addition to push ups and sit ups, are there other exercises I can do for the other parts of my body? I like being able to do exercises that I can do anywhere, as opposed to exercises involving weights or machines.
I used to do a ton of push ups, and the results were pretty obvious (less "flab" on my arms, thicker biceps, defined pecs). Then I stopped.
I jiggle a little when I giggle.
Post by: Thor on December 13, 2007, 08:08:06 AM
Eight Count Bodybuilders
1. Start in a standing position.
2. Touch your toes.
3. Bend your knees and place your hands on the ground.
4. Pop your legs back putting you into a push up position.
5. Touch your nose to the ground.
6. Push back up.
7. Pop your knees back in towards chest
8. Stand back up.
This should be a continuous motion and be fluid.
Burpees
Mountain Climbers
There are plenty more that one could do. Those are just to start.