Post by: Snowdog on December 07, 2007, 11:15:05 PM
It was catagorized as pro-gun. What does this mean?
Post by: Snowdog on December 07, 2007, 11:32:12 PM
Post by: Vodka7 on December 08, 2007, 01:09:46 AM
Ah, a co-worker just enlightened me what it means. Why it was in the pro-gun section is beyond me.
Are you gonna share with the rest of us?
Post by: Dannyboy on December 08, 2007, 01:28:14 AM
Ah, a co-worker just enlightened me what it means. Why it was in the pro-gun section is beyond me.
Are you gonna share with the rest of us?
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 08, 2007, 02:53:11 AM
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on December 08, 2007, 02:55:33 AM
Consider your self warned.
EVERYONE knows that what you see in the movies is real.
Post by: geronimotwo on December 08, 2007, 03:25:39 AM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 08, 2007, 03:28:53 AM
And the whole sequence is BS. Pure hollywood tripe.
What is tripe about it? The spilling of coffee? Asking for permission?I saw an F-15 do a low speed, low altitude, hard G turn flyby around the tower at Howard AFB, Panama. It was wicked cool!
Ghostrider refers to the mission designation, not the nickname of the pilot.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 08, 2007, 03:36:24 AM
And the whole sequence is BS. Pure hollywood tripe.
What is tripe about it? The spilling of coffee? Asking for permission?I saw an F-15 do a low speed, low altitude, hard G turn flyby around the tower at Howard AFB, Panama. It was wicked cool!
Ghostrider refers to the mission designation, not the nickname of the pilot.
My experience as a Marine Air Traffic Controller. Maybe that's something them air force pukes do, but remember, the pilots in TG were Navy. Unusual maneuvers on a stateside base are pretty rare, and the patterns are very structured. Oh, and the tower doesnt use the mission callsigns unless its overseas in a combat environment. He would have been in touch with the tower using his squadron callsign and flight number. 00 is the CO, 01 is the XO, then typically the rest of the squadron is another number. Bat 21. Snake 06. Etc. Oh, and a pilot doing erratic unapproved maneuvers in the Navy or Corps would have probably been taken off the boards for awhile, possibly with an official reprimand.
But its Hollywood fantasy land. Anything can happen there.
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on December 08, 2007, 04:23:29 AM
And the whole sequence is BS. Pure hollywood tripe.
What is tripe about it? The spilling of coffee? Asking for permission?I saw an F-15 do a low speed, low altitude, hard G turn flyby around the tower at Howard AFB, Panama. It was wicked cool!
Ghostrider refers to the mission designation, not the nickname of the pilot.
My experience as a Marine Air Traffic Controller. Maybe that's something them air force pukes do, but remember, the pilots in TG were Navy. Unusual maneuvers on a stateside base are pretty rare, and the patterns are very structured. Oh, and the tower doesnt use the mission callsigns unless its overseas in a combat environment. He would have been in touch with the tower using his squadron callsign and flight number. 00 is the CO, 01 is the XO, then typically the rest of the squadron is another number. Bat 21. Snake 06. Etc. Oh, and a pilot doing erratic unapproved maneuvers in the Navy or Corps would have probably been taken off the boards for awhile, possibly with an official reprimand.
But its Hollywood fantasy land. Anything can happen there.
Yeah, but it's still a damn funny sequence... Especially the second time it happens....
Post by: AJ Dual on December 08, 2007, 04:44:47 AM
"Negative Xenu, your Thetans are Full"
Post by: grislyatoms on December 08, 2007, 04:49:46 AM
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Oh, and a pilot doing erratic unapproved maneuvers in the Navy or Corps would have probably been taken off the boards for awhile, possibly with an official reprimand.
1993-4 I worked for a grading and clearing company located just to the NE of NAS Oceana. A couple of afternoons a week, around 16:30 or so, someone would hotdog around the base in an F-14. High G turns, afterburners, etc. Quite a show, I used to love it.
Anyone around that area at the time remember this?
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 08, 2007, 04:58:57 AM
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Oh, and a pilot doing erratic unapproved maneuvers in the Navy or Corps would have probably been taken off the boards for awhile, possibly with an official reprimand.
1993-4 I worked for a grading and clearing company located just to the NE of NAS Oceana. A couple of afternoons a week, around 16:30 or so, someone would hotdog around the base in an F-14. High G turns, afterburners, etc. Quite a show, I used to love it.
Anyone around that area at the time remember this?
Some bases have schduled Demo flights. Kind of a showing off for the community and the base. Hill AFB generally does thiers on Fridays.
Post by: K Frame on December 08, 2007, 05:45:20 AM
And the whole sequence is BS. Pure hollywood tripe.
Why do you hate Hollywood, and by extension, America?
Post by: grampster on December 08, 2007, 06:11:56 AM
EVERYONE knows that what you see in the movies is
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There. Fixed it fer ya.
Post by: Art Eatman on December 08, 2007, 09:15:27 AM
The F4U Corsairs came in under the radar. Loud mothers, when they're maybe twenty feet off the deck. I'll swear the eagle on our Hq flagpole ducked! An airman in the base control tower looked down on an incoming Corsair and jumped.
Lots of egg on commanders' faces: Both the Wing and our ack-ack outfit. Total surprise. Real world, would have been total destruction.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 08, 2007, 11:15:17 AM
And the whole sequence is BS. Pure hollywood tripe.
What is tripe about it? The spilling of coffee? Asking for permission?I saw an F-15 do a low speed, low altitude, hard G turn flyby around the tower at Howard AFB, Panama. It was wicked cool!
Ghostrider refers to the mission designation, not the nickname of the pilot.
My experience as a Marine Air Traffic Controller. Maybe that's something them air force pukes do, but remember, the pilots in TG were Navy. Unusual maneuvers on a stateside base are pretty rare, and the patterns are very structured. Oh, and the tower doesnt use the mission callsigns unless its overseas in a combat environment. He would have been in touch with the tower using his squadron callsign and flight number. 00 is the CO, 01 is the XO, then typically the rest of the squadron is another number. Bat 21. Snake 06. Etc. Oh, and a pilot doing erratic unapproved maneuvers in the Navy or Corps would have probably been taken off the boards for awhile, possibly with an official reprimand.
But its Hollywood fantasy land. Anything can happen there.
The point is, it does happen in real life. Whether its Air Force pukes (gee thanks) or flying swabbies. No need to get all testicle about it, its a movie.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 08, 2007, 11:19:34 AM
The first Marine Division rotated out of South Korea in late 1954 or early 1955, I disremember. The Air Wing did a good-bye fly-by at several airbases. I was stationed at the K-13 airbase at Kim-Po. 8th Fighter-bomber Wing, F-86s and F-94s.
The F4U Corsairs came in under the radar. Loud mothers, when they're maybe twenty feet off the deck. I'll swear the eagle on our Hq flagpole ducked! An airman in the base control tower looked down on an incoming Corsair and jumped.
Lots of egg on commanders' faces: Both the Wing and our ack-ack outfit. Total surprise. Real world, would have been total destruction.
The F4U Corsairs came in under the radar. Loud mothers, when they're maybe twenty feet off the deck. I'll swear the eagle on our Hq flagpole ducked! An airman in the base control tower looked down on an incoming Corsair and jumped.
Lots of egg on commanders' faces: Both the Wing and our ack-ack outfit. Total surprise. Real world, would have been total destruction.
It's not the tool, it's the man. Go Airedales!
Post by: mustanger98 on December 08, 2007, 02:15:31 PM
Post by: Harold Tuttle on December 08, 2007, 02:21:02 PM
http://www.killerclips.com/clip.php?id=131&qid=1681
Post by: tyme on December 09, 2007, 04:47:32 AM
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It was catagorized as pro-gun.
Top Gun is one of those cold-war 80's movies. I suppose it's favored more by the pro-military, pro-gun population than by the "can't we all just get along" crowd.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 09, 2007, 12:00:10 PM
Post by: Creeping Incrementalism on December 10, 2007, 07:04:59 AM
And the whole sequence is BS. Pure hollywood tripe.
What is tripe about it? The spilling of coffee? Asking for permission?I saw an F-15 do a low speed, low altitude, hard G turn flyby around the tower at Howard AFB, Panama. It was wicked cool!
Ghostrider refers to the mission designation, not the nickname of the pilot.
My experience as a Marine Air Traffic Controller. Maybe that's something them air force pukes do, but remember, the pilots in TG were Navy. Unusual maneuvers on a stateside base are pretty rare, and the patterns are very structured. Oh, and the tower doesnt use the mission callsigns unless its overseas in a combat environment. He would have been in touch with the tower using his squadron callsign and flight number. 00 is the CO, 01 is the XO, then typically the rest of the squadron is another number. Bat 21. Snake 06. Etc. Oh, and a pilot doing erratic unapproved maneuvers in the Navy or Corps would have probably been taken off the boards for awhile, possibly with an official reprimand.
But its Hollywood fantasy land. Anything can happen there.
I once saw stated in a documentary, that at least 10-15 years ago, the Air Force started seriously cracking down on stunts by pilots. One example they gave is that B-52 crashing near an airport when the pilot tried to pull some stunt involving a very high-banked turn.
I knew a former Navy Pilot once who was also a college professor, and he told us a story that occured just after WWII in Gainsville (FL) to illustrate the point of a compression shockwave (I think that's what it was called). A newspaper in that city has just finished a new printing press, and it was covered in some kind of very large glass case for a sort of show-off event to the local town. Some Navy jets were in the area (I believe they were the first operational type of jet used by the Navy) that were not capable of supersonic flight. However, they did a high speed dive towards the printing press, then pulled up quickly. Somehow this caused a comression shockwave in the air--basically a sonic boom, but without going supersonice--which continued down and shattered the enormous glass case.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 10, 2007, 09:52:17 AM
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I once saw stated in a documentary, that at least 10-15 years ago, the Air Force started seriously cracking down on stunts by pilots. One example they gave is that B-52 crashing near an airport when the pilot tried to pull some stunt involving a very high-banked turn.
Oh, they frowned upon at that time too, 1990. The pilot was National Guard (on rotation to Panama for drug interdiction) and I don't know if he got in trouble or not. Probably not much from his own command (they're pretty laid back) but if the Wing Commander was notified, ha may have gotten spanked. They could get away with a bit more down there than they could in the states.
I saw an F-16 tail walking down the runway one time, something usually reserved fro air shows.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 10, 2007, 10:03:51 AM
Oh, they frowned upon at that time too, 1990. The pilot was National Guard (on rotation to Panama for drug interdiction) and I don't know if he got in trouble or not. Probably not much from his own command (they're pretty laid back) but if the Wing Commander was notified, he may have gotten spanked.
As he should have. That's a valuable aircraft and we'll need it against the Kilrathi.
My favorite "Top Gun" quote to use in traffic is "Too close for missles, I'm switching to guns". Usually accompanied by clicking my high beams on and off.
Post by: Parker Dean on December 10, 2007, 11:08:57 AM
I once saw stated in a documentary, that at least 10-15 years ago, the Air Force started seriously cracking down on stunts by pilots. One example they gave is that B-52 crashing near an airport when the pilot tried to pull some stunt involving a very high-banked turn.
I think I saw that show. IIRC the pilot was a known hot dog with a B52 and he was chosen to show off for some brass with a tight turn to the left at low altitude, to be followed by a close fly by. He showed off all right, piling it up by dragging the left wing into the ground, resulting in the subsequent fireball.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 10, 2007, 11:19:59 AM
... piling it up by dragging the left wing into the ground, resulting in the subsequent fireball.
Ta da!
Post by: DustinD on December 10, 2007, 12:46:52 PM
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"Your too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns"
I met an FAA guy at Oshkosh that had that as a bumper sticker.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 10, 2007, 12:51:48 PM
He showed off all right, piling it up by dragging the left wing into the ground, resulting in the subsequent fireball.
Well, did he get fired for doing that?
Post by: mfree on December 10, 2007, 06:12:28 PM
He showed off all right, piling it up by dragging the left wing into the ground, resulting in the subsequent fireball.
Well, did he get fired for doing that?
It resulted in a rather heated moment, yes...