Post by: Manedwolf on January 07, 2008, 06:44:15 PM
A bunch of rabid, screaming Paulistas chasing Sean Hannity in Manchester, behaving like a wannabe riot mob of crazed loons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QTX7Ue_Lx4]
And they wonder why people here want them to leave?
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on January 07, 2008, 06:51:32 PM
Post by: Finch on January 07, 2008, 07:06:24 PM
I want to know where the Manchester PD was. I doubt they expected this.
And arrest them for what? Name calling. As much as I think Vannity is a loser, I do wish they would quit this $#!7.
Post by: roo_ster on January 07, 2008, 07:10:11 PM
KEENE, NH -- Several Ron Paul supporters shadowed a much larger Clinton entourage as Bill Clinton greeted supporters downtown. The former president later called them "nuts."
During his third stop of the day, the former president posed for pictures and shook hands as he strolled down Main Street on this unseasonably warm Primary Eve day. Across the street, a few Paul supporters shouted his name.
Eventually, Clinton stopped outside a bakery, offered some remarks, and took questions. As he was answering one on Iraq, one of the Paul backers interrupted and shouted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job, and that the U.S. didnt need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When he dropped an F-bomb, the crowd booed. Clinton, who had tried to talk over the man, gave up.
"You wanna know what I think? Clinton said. You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."
During his third stop of the day, the former president posed for pictures and shook hands as he strolled down Main Street on this unseasonably warm Primary Eve day. Across the street, a few Paul supporters shouted his name.
Eventually, Clinton stopped outside a bakery, offered some remarks, and took questions. As he was answering one on Iraq, one of the Paul backers interrupted and shouted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job, and that the U.S. didnt need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When he dropped an F-bomb, the crowd booed. Clinton, who had tried to talk over the man, gave up.
"You wanna know what I think? Clinton said. You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."
Post by: Manedwolf on January 07, 2008, 07:15:24 PM
Bill Clinton vs Paulistinians
KEENE, NH -- Several Ron Paul supporters shadowed a much larger Clinton entourage as Bill Clinton greeted supporters downtown. The former president later called them "nuts."
During his third stop of the day, the former president posed for pictures and shook hands as he strolled down Main Street on this unseasonably warm Primary Eve day. Across the street, a few Paul supporters shouted his name.
Eventually, Clinton stopped outside a bakery, offered some remarks, and took questions. As he was answering one on Iraq, one of the Paul backers interrupted and shouted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job, and that the U.S. didnt need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When he dropped an F-bomb, the crowd booed. Clinton, who had tried to talk over the man, gave up.
"You wanna know what I think? Clinton said. You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."
During his third stop of the day, the former president posed for pictures and shook hands as he strolled down Main Street on this unseasonably warm Primary Eve day. Across the street, a few Paul supporters shouted his name.
Eventually, Clinton stopped outside a bakery, offered some remarks, and took questions. As he was answering one on Iraq, one of the Paul backers interrupted and shouted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job, and that the U.S. didnt need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When he dropped an F-bomb, the crowd booed. Clinton, who had tried to talk over the man, gave up.
"You wanna know what I think? Clinton said. You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."
Good lord. I actually agree with something Bill Clinton said.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 07, 2008, 07:23:16 PM
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When he dropped an F-bomb, the crowd booed.
Major media outlets are now using uber-stoopid teenie-bopper phrases like "dropped an F-bomb"? No wonder I can't stomach major media anymore.
Post by: The Rabbi on January 07, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
Bill Clinton vs Paulistinians
KEENE, NH -- Several Ron Paul supporters shadowed a much larger Clinton entourage as Bill Clinton greeted supporters downtown. The former president later called them "nuts."
During his third stop of the day, the former president posed for pictures and shook hands as he strolled down Main Street on this unseasonably warm Primary Eve day. Across the street, a few Paul supporters shouted his name.
Eventually, Clinton stopped outside a bakery, offered some remarks, and took questions. As he was answering one on Iraq, one of the Paul backers interrupted and shouted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job, and that the U.S. didnt need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When he dropped an F-bomb, the crowd booed. Clinton, who had tried to talk over the man, gave up.
"You wanna know what I think? Clinton said. You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."
During his third stop of the day, the former president posed for pictures and shook hands as he strolled down Main Street on this unseasonably warm Primary Eve day. Across the street, a few Paul supporters shouted his name.
Eventually, Clinton stopped outside a bakery, offered some remarks, and took questions. As he was answering one on Iraq, one of the Paul backers interrupted and shouted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job, and that the U.S. didnt need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When he dropped an F-bomb, the crowd booed. Clinton, who had tried to talk over the man, gave up.
"You wanna know what I think? Clinton said. You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."
Good lord. I actually agree with something Bill Clinton said.
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 08, 2008, 03:35:50 AM
I want to know where the Manchester PD was. I doubt they expected this.
A bunch of rabid, screaming Paulistas chasing Sean Hannity in Manchester, behaving like a wannabe riot mob of crazed loons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QTX7Ue_Lx4]
And they wonder why people here want them to leave?
A bunch of rabid, screaming Paulistas chasing Sean Hannity in Manchester, behaving like a wannabe riot mob of crazed loons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QTX7Ue_Lx4]
And they wonder why people here want them to leave?
Hannity is a moron, bush apologist, idiot, and its a shame they didn't tar and feather him.
Post by: HankB on January 08, 2008, 03:40:21 AM
Good lord. I actually agree with something Bill Clinton said.
Me, too . . . seems there's a first for everything. Good place to resurrect the broken clock analogy . . .
Post by: El Tejon on January 08, 2008, 04:18:49 AM
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Post by: Manedwolf on January 08, 2008, 05:30:36 AM
That got removed. But it shows how beyond the edge some of these nutcases are.
I actually think some of the ones who traveled here for this are dangerous anarchists who might just do something stupid and violent when the results come in. I hope not. But they actually think they're "fighting" a revolution against zionists, illuminati and black helicopters, and that sort is beyond all expectations of reasonable behavior.
Post by: Scout26 on January 08, 2008, 07:15:53 AM
But the Paulista's behavior made me think that there were no Jewish shops in Manchester with windows to smash.
Just make sure you bring all those subversive books to burn to your next RP rally.
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 08, 2008, 07:42:50 AM
On the local newspaper boards, one of the Paulistas even defended McVeigh, unsurprisingly.
That got removed. But it shows how beyond the edge some of these nutcases are.
I actually think some of the ones who traveled here for this are dangerous anarchists who might just do something stupid and violent when the results come in. I hope not. But they actually think they're "fighting" a revolution against zionists, illuminati and black helicopters, and that sort is beyond all expectations of reasonable behavior.
That got removed. But it shows how beyond the edge some of these nutcases are.
I actually think some of the ones who traveled here for this are dangerous anarchists who might just do something stupid and violent when the results come in. I hope not. But they actually think they're "fighting" a revolution against zionists, illuminati and black helicopters, and that sort is beyond all expectations of reasonable behavior.
Because there aren't any Republican or Democrat moonbats.....
Post by: Manedwolf on January 08, 2008, 07:52:08 AM
On the local newspaper boards, one of the Paulistas even defended McVeigh, unsurprisingly.
That got removed. But it shows how beyond the edge some of these nutcases are.
I actually think some of the ones who traveled here for this are dangerous anarchists who might just do something stupid and violent when the results come in. I hope not. But they actually think they're "fighting" a revolution against zionists, illuminati and black helicopters, and that sort is beyond all expectations of reasonable behavior.
That got removed. But it shows how beyond the edge some of these nutcases are.
I actually think some of the ones who traveled here for this are dangerous anarchists who might just do something stupid and violent when the results come in. I hope not. But they actually think they're "fighting" a revolution against zionists, illuminati and black helicopters, and that sort is beyond all expectations of reasonable behavior.
Because there aren't any Republican or Democrat moonbats.....
There's deluded people in all parties, sure. But they're not this bad. These people actually put out press releases comparing themselves to the rebels in Star Wars. Reality check? I think some people didn't know at what age to stop reading comic books!
And now they're going on that the Iran boat thing was a Bush plot, too. It's a conspiiiiiiiracy....
Post by: Paddy on January 08, 2008, 11:12:44 AM
Post by: Bigjake on January 08, 2008, 12:44:17 PM
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Good lord. I actually agree with something Bill Clinton said
Me too. Strange and funny that it would take Paulians to make Bill Clinton and I come together on an issue.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 08, 2008, 01:13:32 PM
Post by: Tecumseh on January 08, 2008, 05:54:06 PM
Post by: Bigjake on January 08, 2008, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on January 08, 2008, 06:06:46 PM
Why do you use the adjective "Palestinian" as if it is a bad thing? Can you explain this?
Regarding their ability to hold calm demonstrations? Gee, I dunno! Maybe because every time they hold a "demonstration", it tends to go from firing in the air to firing at each other to RPG fire to cars on fire to buildings on fire?
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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Hamas fighters launched a fierce offensive on Gaza City Wednesday...
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on January 08, 2008, 06:09:36 PM
Why do you use the adjective "Palestinian" as if it is a bad thing? Can you explain this?
Why do you assume that he meant it in a bad way? Certainly we admire the Arab Street's unmatched talent for forming unruly mobs, harassing the populace, screaming vile slogans, disrupting the peace, and generally behaving in an uncivilized manner. These sorts of diverse cultural displays are worthy of respect and admiration. By comparing the Paulians' behavior to that of the Palestinians, he was really paying them a high compliment.
Post by: Bigjake on January 08, 2008, 06:14:35 PM
Post by: Tecumseh on January 08, 2008, 06:16:53 PM
Nothing like xenophobic bigotry to attack others. I am sure this is the kind of stuff that makes 'lil baby Jesus cry.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 08, 2008, 06:19:59 PM
I was just curious as to why he said Palestianian? He could have called them an angry mob, right?
Nothing like xenophobic bigotry to attack others. I am sure this is the kind of stuff that makes 'lil baby Jesus cry.
Nothing like xenophobic bigotry to attack others. I am sure this is the kind of stuff that makes 'lil baby Jesus cry.
Listen to Tecumseh. He knows a thing or two about bigoted attacks against others. He apparently doesn't know the definition of xenophobia, but hey, you can't have everything.
Post by: Manedwolf on January 08, 2008, 06:28:14 PM
I was just curious as to why he said Palestianian? He could have called them an angry mob, right?
Nothing like xenophobic bigotry to attack others. I am sure this is the kind of stuff that makes 'lil baby Jesus cry.
Nothing like xenophobic bigotry to attack others. I am sure this is the kind of stuff that makes 'lil baby Jesus cry.
Because they've made themselves into the best example of a extremist violent-politics culture that generates screaming, property-damaging, wild-shootouts, car-burning martyrs-exploding mobs at the drop of a kaffiyeh?
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on January 08, 2008, 06:29:07 PM
There's deluded people in all parties, sure. But they're not this bad. These people actually put out press releases comparing themselves to the rebels in Star Wars. Reality check? I think some people didn't know at what age to stop reading comic books!
Rats, can't make it upload. Guess you'll have to click the linky:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66337962@N00/2179173334/
In fact, I like that pic so much I'm going to make it my avatar.
Post by: Manedwolf on January 08, 2008, 06:30:37 PM
There's deluded people in all parties, sure. But they're not this bad. These people actually put out press releases comparing themselves to the rebels in Star Wars. Reality check? I think some people didn't know at what age to stop reading comic books!
Rats, can't make it upload. Guess you'll have to click the linky:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66337962@N00/2179173334/
Yeah, that was in Keene. They're really proud of that, too.
Post by: Scout26 on January 08, 2008, 06:40:54 PM
That pic is priceless. That's one more reason (mainly RP's foreigh policy stance) why I can't support the man. I generally agree with his smaller .gov follow the Constitution positions, but he comes off as a right wing Jerry Brown (Remember Governor Moonbat ??). And it seems like his supporters keep forgetting to take their meds.
And Hey !! I compared his supporters to acting like SA on Crystalnacht, that's got to just a bad as "Pals Behaving Badly."
Post by: MrRezister on January 09, 2008, 12:46:11 PM
I'm not a huge Hannity fan, but I thought he handled it well, going about his business even in the midst of a bunch of loonies. And in spite of the comparisons to Palestinians, he apparently did not fear for his life, but of course that doesn't mean that people who would voice their opinions loundly and in large numbers aren't dangerous....
Post by: El Tejon on January 12, 2008, 10:56:27 AM
Post by: grampster on January 12, 2008, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: CAnnoneer on January 15, 2008, 06:58:25 AM
I was just curious as to why he said Palestianian? He could have called them an angry mob, right?
You are being coy. "Palestinian" has become synonymous with an angry mob and it is not an evil zionist media plot either.
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Nothing like xenophobic bigotry to attack others. I am sure this is the kind of stuff that makes 'lil baby Jesus cry.
Since when is xenophobic bigotry to call the grass green and the sky blue?
Public perception is often much more of a mirror than people wish to be believe.
Post by: Paddy on January 15, 2008, 07:15:56 AM
Post by: Scout26 on January 15, 2008, 10:30:38 AM
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Where did a Ron Paul voter get the money to rent a Wookie custom?
Simple, he didn't rent it, he made it in his mom's basement......
Post by: MrRezister on January 15, 2008, 10:36:41 AM
It's funny because it's true.
And it's true, obviously, because everyone who disagrees with me is nerdy, stupid and poor!
Hahaha!
Post by: Bigjake on January 15, 2008, 10:39:57 AM
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You Republican apologists need to remove the log from your own eye before you complain about the speck in another's
you're right, from now on, we'll have to reign in them radical Republicans that routinely cause riots, blow up pizzerias full of innocents, and have random gunfights and assassinations carried out on anyone who doesn't agree with them politically/religiously.
Does that mean we have to stop mortaring people we don't like at random too??
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 15, 2008, 05:09:52 PM
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Nothing like xenophobic bigotry to attack others. I am sure this is the kind of stuff that makes 'lil baby Jesus cry.
Since when is xenophobic bigotry to call the grass green and the sky blue?
Public perception is often much more of a mirror than people wish to be believe.
And since when did unkind comments about one group of foreigners (Palestinians) constitute xenophobia? I guess Tecumseh just wanted to use a big word.
Post by: Scout26 on January 15, 2008, 05:18:00 PM
I hate everyone !!!
Post by: LAK on January 16, 2008, 02:52:56 AM
Trash. That is a good word for Sean. And his boss.
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Post by: Manedwolf on January 16, 2008, 04:48:12 AM
Were I given the opportunity to talk to Sean Hannity face to face I'd have some choice words for him as well. He is no more "conservative" than his boss - Rupert Murdock. It is fakes like Hannity that enjoy their monopoly on Rupert's "FOX", and their shows on Clear Channel, where they can trash people that might upset the status quo with impunity to a wide audience.
Trash. That is a good word for Sean. And his boss.
Trash. That is a good word for Sean. And his boss.
Psst. If you don't like the show, you don't have to watch it.
I find him amusing, myself. It's Colmes the smug liberal I can't stand.
Post by: Scout26 on January 16, 2008, 08:52:28 AM
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You Republican apologists need to remove the log from your own eye before you complain about the speck in another's
you're right, from now on, we'll have to reign in them radical Republicans that routinely cause riots, blow up pizzerias full of innocents, and have random gunfights and assassinations carried out on anyone who doesn't agree with them politically/religiously.
Does that mean we have to stop mortaring people we don't like at random too??
Yeah, but we can keep launching Kaytusha rockets into the "occupied areas" (like Chicago, New York, Boston, San Fran, LA, etc....)
Post by: Bigjake on January 16, 2008, 09:10:52 AM
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Yeah, but we can keep launching Kaytusha rockets into the "occupied areas" (like Chicago, New York, Boston, San Fran, LA, etc....)
I'm ok with that.
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2008, 01:04:46 PM
He claims to be a mouthpiece for Republicans who call themselves 'conservatives', however. They should be ashamed of him.
Post by: Manedwolf on January 16, 2008, 01:17:26 PM
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Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2008, 02:00:49 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on January 16, 2008, 02:03:48 PM
Shockingly, there's a lot of people out there who like other things than you do. I'm sure that meets with your disapproval. I'm also sure that Fox is not about to change their successful lineup to suit you, as their ratings are quite good as-is.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2008, 01:55:41 AM
Got it. IOW, his rude, coarse, overbearing, spiteful, hate filled, arrogant manner appeals to his like minded audience.
Why are we talking about Michael Savage now?
Hannity isn't "hate-filled" or arrogant, he's just a boob. Don't give him so much credit.
Post by: Bigjake on January 17, 2008, 03:19:38 AM
Post by: seeker_two on January 17, 2008, 03:24:52 AM
I can't figure out how that guys has the 2nd most listened to radio show out there, I can't listen to him and I'm a conservative. He seems to be the Right's version of that Mathews idiot.
Rush & Hannity are a package deal.....if a radio station wants Rush (& his ratings), they have to put up with Hannity, too.
I'm glad to see that more radio stations aren't playing their game and finding better offerings than these open-mouthed, fishy GOP-pies.....
Post by: LAK on January 17, 2008, 03:31:22 AM
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Post by: Bigjake on January 17, 2008, 03:34:55 AM
Psst .. I don't watch it. And a fake is still a fake, a monopolized syndicated propaganda network is just that.
Arent they all?
Arent they all?
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2008, 12:53:24 PM
Rush & Hannity are a package deal.....if a radio station wants Rush (& his ratings), they have to put up with Hannity, too.
Why do you say that? In the Saint Louis market, Rush is on an AM station (with a CBS affiliation), while Hannity and O'Reilly are on an FM station with a FOX tie-in.
I don't know why some people here talk of Rush and Hannity as if they were the same person. Hannity is just a copycat, and not a very good one.
Post by: Manedwolf on January 17, 2008, 12:54:51 PM
Psst .. I don't watch it. And a fake is still a fake, a monopolized syndicated propaganda network is just that.
What, you mean MSNBC?
Post by: LAK on January 18, 2008, 02:27:07 AM
Unfortunately, the choice of AM radio stations is severely limited. "Conservative" talk radio is no more conservative than it's TV show counterpart; the same subject matter, content, commentary, and added censorship of phone-ins.
I have listened to just about every one of these radio talkshow hosts long enough to see what they are made of. They all rant fire and brimstone over the usual pet topics of "democrats" vs "conservatives" - and steadfastly defend the same old foreign policy and geo-political agenda. This while avoiding other certain topics. Everything rolled along at a nice entertaining clip and seeded with all the obligatory lipservice to the target audience.
So MSNBC, NPR et all play the same game "democrat" flavor - with the same SOP.
Sure, they have a right to say what they want. The problem is they have a monopoly on mass media broadcasting; any serious challenger to the status quo, their "middle ground" and foreign policy geo-political agenda is excluded as far as possible - and then becomes a target of malice for them.
Post by: Paddy on January 18, 2008, 06:31:18 AM
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I have listened to just about every one of these radio talkshow hosts long enough to see what they are made of. They all rant fire and brimstone over the usual pet topics of "democrats" vs "conservatives" - and steadfastly defend the same old foreign policy and geo-political agenda. This while avoiding other certain topics. Everything rolled along at a nice entertaining clip and seeded with all the obligatory lipservice to the target audience.
Exactly right. The mindless smokescreen of 'libs' v 'cons'. An all form and no substance shell game.
Post by: erictank on January 18, 2008, 09:37:07 PM
Where did a Ron Paul voter get the money to rent a Wookie custom?
RENT?!? I think I'm offended. Not that I'd spend my hard-earned money on a piece-of-junk costume like the one in that picture...
Disclaimer: I'm not the guy in the photo. Don't have a Wookiee costume, in fact, so I *KNOW* it's not me.
But I *AM* strongly in support of Ron Paul. I think he's the most Constitutionally-oriented candidate running (for which reason, of course, he'll never even win the primary let alone the general election
). And I *CURRENTLY* own (not a complete list): - A full set of Stormtrooper armor.
- a (mostly) handmade Jedi outfit. Yes, I have a lightsaber, too. No, it won't cut you in half - but I could give you a concussion with it, and it'd still light up and make sound effects afterwards.
- two different Stargate SG-1 costumes (black offworld ground-combat outfit and F-302 pilot, including the helmet).
- and a full-up Darth Vader costume. Lights, breathing effects, voice changer, lightsaber, everything. Oh, and other stuff I made last year to turn that suit into the Robot Chicken Vader from the Star Wars Robot Chicken special last year, which I made for DragonCon in Atlanta.
Then we can get into what I have plans to make or buy (I have all the parts for a Tusken Raider, will be buying a Galactica Service-Blues uniform from a fellow costumer/seamstress, and I am working on an X-Wing Pilot and a Predator (from the Arnie movie)...). Some people dump tens of thousands of dollars into cars that'll never leave their garages or in going to football games across the country with their chests painted green and purple. Me, I have 5-figures (last estimate, $14,000 over the past 7 years) into a collection of costumes that I use to have boatloads of fun attending multiple annual conventions, and entertaining terminally-ill children at hospital visits, and raising money for various charities as a member of a costuming group recognized by multinational corporations like Lucasfilm Ltd, Walt Disney World, and the Guiness World's Records people as the best in the WORLD at what we do. Last time I worked fast food was in high school - you can't build up a collection like this without having a decent job which pays at least reasonably well, as a matter of fact. Prior to moving to be with the woman I'm currently living with and will be marrying in August, I was an operator at a nuclear power plant for nearly a decade, not exactly a job for random weirdos. And I haven't lived with my mother for well over a decade (and only then, briefly, because I'd just gotten out of the Navy - where I also operated nuclear reactors for several years). Shatter any ill-considered prejudices for you, perhaps? Like, ALL of them (let's see, engaged and living with a woman, holding a good job, NOT residing in parents' basement - am I missing anything)?
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
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Post by: Sergeant Bob on January 19, 2008, 05:26:58 AM
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I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
Racists I tell you! Racists!
Post by: Manedwolf on January 19, 2008, 06:25:41 AM
Working on cars is working on stuff in the real world, getting all covered with grease while working with your hands, listening to good music, and then having something REAL to drive around with friends in. It's a machine that's real, that goes places. Not pretend.
If you want to make your own special effects and your own costumes to film a completely original movie, that's one thing. That's creativity. But the people who go nuts about copies of props and costumes that are just that, copies of something someone else thought up, instead of making something new and original, that's not creativity, that's just escapism and consumerism combined. If you want to be a spaceman, why not get pieces of MiG flightsuits and junk and fiberglass and make your own design, why copy what George Lucas did 30 years ago? Why color inside the lines that someone else drew? There's no creativity in that, it's still follow-established-rules groupthink, which is total irony for Paulians, isn't it?
And in general, playing dress-up...to me, that suggests less of a grasp on the reality of things. Which is why I suspect so many people who do that like Paul. He has zero grasp on how the real world works, from his Jimmy Carter redux foreign policy to his clinging to 19th century gold standards in a world where global intercurrency transactions occur millions of times per second.
Reality. I live there. And I like it.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 19, 2008, 06:29:09 AM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
Post by: Tecumseh on January 19, 2008, 07:30:16 AM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
And I urge others not to care what others do in their spare time as it does not affect you. If the man enjoys costumes and props, who are you to critisize. Its the same when people critisize guns. How many guns do you have? Why? Etc.
My Christian upbringing taught me that we should not judge others lest we be judged ourselves. So I ask myself before I post, what would 'lil baby Jesus do?
Post by: Manedwolf on January 19, 2008, 07:34:00 AM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
And I urge others not to care what others do in their spare time as it does not affect you. If the man enjoys costumes and props, who are you to critisize. Its the same when people critisize guns. How many guns do you have? Why? Etc.
My Christian upbringing taught me that we should not judge others lest we be judged ourselves. So I ask myself before I post, what would 'lil baby Jesus do?
I only care when someone's grasp or reality or lack thereof spills over into their voting habits. Because that does affect me.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on January 19, 2008, 10:00:39 AM
Post by: erictank on January 19, 2008, 12:35:14 PM
I stopped wearing costumes when I was 12. (so do most people, outside of Halloween party rentals, y'know?)
Working on cars is working on stuff in the real world, getting all covered with grease while working with your hands, listening to good music, and then having something REAL to drive around with friends in. It's a machine that's real, that goes places. Not pretend.
If you want to make your own special effects and your own costumes to film a completely original movie, that's one thing. That's creativity. But the people who go nuts about copies of props and costumes that are just that, copies of something someone else thought up, instead of making something new and original, that's not creativity, that's just escapism and consumerism combined. If you want to be a spaceman, why not get pieces of MiG flightsuits and junk and fiberglass and make your own design, why copy what George Lucas did 30 years ago? Why color inside the lines that someone else drew? There's no creativity in that, it's still follow-established-rules groupthink, which is total irony for Paulians, isn't it?
And in general, playing dress-up...to me, that suggests less of a grasp on the reality of things. Which is why I suspect so many people who do that like Paul. He has zero grasp on how the real world works, from his Jimmy Carter redux foreign policy to his clinging to 19th century gold standards in a world where global intercurrency transactions occur millions of times per second.
Reality. I live there. And I like it.
Working on cars is working on stuff in the real world, getting all covered with grease while working with your hands, listening to good music, and then having something REAL to drive around with friends in. It's a machine that's real, that goes places. Not pretend.
If you want to make your own special effects and your own costumes to film a completely original movie, that's one thing. That's creativity. But the people who go nuts about copies of props and costumes that are just that, copies of something someone else thought up, instead of making something new and original, that's not creativity, that's just escapism and consumerism combined. If you want to be a spaceman, why not get pieces of MiG flightsuits and junk and fiberglass and make your own design, why copy what George Lucas did 30 years ago? Why color inside the lines that someone else drew? There's no creativity in that, it's still follow-established-rules groupthink, which is total irony for Paulians, isn't it?
And in general, playing dress-up...to me, that suggests less of a grasp on the reality of things. Which is why I suspect so many people who do that like Paul. He has zero grasp on how the real world works, from his Jimmy Carter redux foreign policy to his clinging to 19th century gold standards in a world where global intercurrency transactions occur millions of times per second.
Reality. I live there. And I like it.
As do I - I get to spend my money on things which have an impact on that same real world (re-read the bit about community service and brightening the days of terminally-ill children again, perhaps?), and have fun at the same time. The rest of your dismissive rant about lack of creativity - well, if we were doing things the EXACT same way they did them for the films, I suspect we wouldn't be as highly regarded as we are. Our costumes are *BETTER* than film-quality, in pretty much every way. You might be surprised at the level of creativity involved - but then, you'd have to look at the issue honestly, without holding preconceived notions about asocial incompetent nerds living for decades in their parents' basement. Wouldn't want to strain your mental horizons, there...
You do cars? Why slavishly rebuild cars to 1960's body, engine, and suspension specs? Why not come up with a custom design of your own? Why color inside someone else's lines, be ORIGINAL!
(FYI - I've spent a couple of years working on a Mustang myself, I have no problem turning the occasional wrench, thanks).And I HAVE been in a couple of fanfilms, in fact, both recognized in national competitions for such. I'm even on IMDB, which is one of the silliest things I think I've ever heard of.
If you honestly think that that sort of hobby is inherently worse than those others I mentioned in my previous post, then you're simply buying into the prejudices foisted on you by others. I'll do my own thinking, thanks, and I KNOW that I'm making a difference in ways that matter to real people in the real world.
Post by: erictank on January 19, 2008, 12:39:08 PM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
So it's okay to be rude, to insult others for what they do (which harms no one, demonstratedly HELPS many, and shows a level of technical competence in various fields beyond the grasp of many, apparently), simply because you're prejudiced against them? Not even because of any real consideration about the topic - just because you've bought into the stereotypes?
I thought the whole idea was to be better than that, myself...
Post by: Bigjake on January 19, 2008, 01:56:18 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on January 19, 2008, 02:01:28 PM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
So it's okay to be rude, to insult others for what they do (which harms no one, demonstratedly HELPS many, and shows a level of technical competence in various fields beyond the grasp of many, apparently), simply because you're prejudiced against them? Not even because of any real consideration about the topic - just because you've bought into the stereotypes?
I thought the whole idea was to be better than that, myself...
Let's see. New member with five posts, telling people with thousands of posts how it is here. Gotcha.
Also...where did the whole multi-paragraph treatise explanation of your "fandom" lifestyle come into things in the first place? I don't think anyone asked. That was just kind of thrown up there by you. Who are you trying to rationalize it to? Are you seeking validation from strangers or something...?
One thing I recall from psych classes (applies to criminal law as well) is that people who launch into long defenses out of the blue when nobody asked or accused them of anything are usually just unconsciously seeking validation due to self-doubt or fighting a guilty conscience. Might wanna think on that.
Post by: Tecumseh on January 19, 2008, 02:24:56 PM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
And I urge others not to care what others do in their spare time as it does not affect you. If the man enjoys costumes and props, who are you to critisize. Its the same when people critisize guns. How many guns do you have? Why? Etc.
My Christian upbringing taught me that we should not judge others lest we be judged ourselves. So I ask myself before I post, what would 'lil baby Jesus do?
I only care when someone's grasp or reality or lack thereof spills over into their voting habits. Because that does affect me.
Post by: Tecumseh on January 19, 2008, 02:25:29 PM
You sure are flogging that "Christian upbringing" horse of a lot lately but, only when it suits your purposes.
I am just doing what 'lil baby Jesus would want me to do.
Seriously, I am just asking that we dont disrespect others for having different activities than us. Especially if they are harmless to us and everyone as a whole. I doubt anyone else is being harmed by it.
But either way I am just incapable of seeing what the big deal is about what this guy does.
We could judge Nascar fans, people who sew, bicyclists, runners, military reenactors, or many others. As long as noone is getting hurt and it is legal we should not have any problems with it.
Post by: erictank on January 19, 2008, 03:55:44 PM
Let's see. New member with five posts, telling people with thousands of posts how it is here. Gotcha.
Yup. Then again, I'm not the one acting EXACTLY LIKE the victim-disarmament advocates who persist in casting all gun owners as inbred, flannel-wearing, Bible-thumping, toothless, mentally-challenged redneck morons, am I? God forbid someone hold a mirror up to your actions and suggest that you might not control the moral high ground quite so securely as you believe...
And since frakking when does post count have ANYTHING to do with right or wrong? Your post count impresses me not at all, and appeals to authority on that basis strike me as pretty weak. I prefer to judge, IF NECESSARY, based on words and actions.
Also...where did the whole multi-paragraph treatise explanation of your "fandom" lifestyle come into things in the first place? I don't think anyone asked. That was just kind of thrown up there by you. Who are you trying to rationalize it to? Are you seeking validation from strangers or something...?
Nope. Simply defending someone else being (potentially) wrongly maligned by people who apparently can't be bothered to give a damn about being civil about others who aren't harming anyone on a board called the Armed Polite Society. Sensed a little disconnect there with the terms of service I signed on with recently, and felt compelled to point it out. Y'know - being POLITE. Pointing out that the stereotypes being applied so cavalierly didn't apply to a minimum of ONE Paul supporter, and quite possibly to a large number of others. It was in fact relevant, if you follow the thread back. Not even a full page back, IIRC.
As far as the long-winded thing - no, that's really just the way I talk.
One thing I recall from psych classes (applies to criminal law as well) is that people who launch into long defenses out of the blue when nobody asked or accused them of anything are usually just unconsciously seeking validation due to self-doubt or fighting a guilty conscience. Might wanna think on that.
Done. You're wrong in my case, but I've thought about it. I'm just tired of people who think it's acceptable to make fun of people who act differently than they do, especially on a board allegedly dedicated to civil discourse. I thought that sort of thing went out of vogue once we all left high school. I reiterate - it was relevant given the baseless petty personal insults being cast, and pointing out that those engaging in behavior EXACTLY the same as those we are supposedly united in opposition to are neither complying with the spirit of conduct this board was supposed to be all about nor enhancing perception of their own credibility makes my posts useful and valid, IMO. YMMV.
Your call. I feel I've explained myself well enough, and do not ask for any further responses. All I want is for you to THINK about what I said, as you asked ME to think about your comments. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Even from someone with a lowly single-digit post count.
Post by: Paddy on January 19, 2008, 04:28:14 PM
Post by: K Frame on January 19, 2008, 04:51:28 PM
And what, exactly, does post count have to do with anything here? OR anywhere else?
Hell, I'm feeling magnanimous with my nearly 7,500 posts, so I'll even give you the answer...
Absolutely nothing.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on January 19, 2008, 06:30:33 PM
You sure are flogging that "Christian upbringing" horse of a lot lately but, only when it suits your purposes.
I am just doing what 'lil baby Jesus would want me to do. Hey. are you trying to break my.....
Post by: Bigjake on January 19, 2008, 07:23:54 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 19, 2008, 08:15:43 PM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
So it's okay to be rude, to insult others for what they do (which harms no one, demonstratedly HELPS many, and shows a level of technical competence in various fields beyond the grasp of many, apparently), simply because you're prejudiced against them? Not even because of any real consideration about the topic - just because you've bought into the stereotypes?
I thought the whole idea was to be better than that, myself...
Actually, I think most of us here are science fiction fans, even the guys in this thread who've made negative comments. (And Manedwolf is a HUGE video game and audio-visual geek.
) I'm a bit of a sci-fi fan, myself. What I meant is that you've read a few comments in one thread, and suddenly conclude that we're all on some anti-sci-fi crusade. They were really poking fun at Ron Paul supporters, more than anything. Some seem to think Ron Paul's support comes largely from young punks smoking weed in Momma's basement.
As far as debate on the topics go, we've done plenty of that already. You'll find more, if you keep reading. This isn't really a serious political thread, though. Look at the thread title.
I thought the Wookie picture was kinda funny, myself, but I guess it's just the usual political circus.
Post by: seeker_two on January 20, 2008, 03:37:10 AM
Can we please let this rabbit go and get back to bashing pseudo-conservative radio talk hosts, each other's candidates for President, George W. Bush, the Baby Jesus, and fistful like we were doing before?......
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 20, 2008, 05:01:18 AM
Can we please let this rabbit go and get back to bashing pseudo-conservative radio talk hosts, each other's candidates for President, George W. Bush, the Baby Jesus, and fistful like we were doing before?......
As long as Eric can wear his Storm Trooper armor while he's posting. We don't have any rules against that, do we?
Post by: crawdaddyjim on January 20, 2008, 09:54:17 AM
And a hearty THANK YOU to Mr. Off the top rope Irwin.....
Post by: Dntsycnt on January 20, 2008, 09:55:13 AM
That was kind of funny.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 20, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
If you want some real, hard-core Hannity-hatred, listen to the Hate Hannity Hotline, right after the half-hour break, in the last hour of the the Hannity radio show. They play the nasty phone messages he gets. It is the best thing on the air.
Post by: seeker_two on January 20, 2008, 11:20:35 AM
Can we please let this rabbit go and get back to bashing pseudo-conservative radio talk hosts, each other's candidates for President, George W. Bush, the Baby Jesus, and fistful like we were doing before?......
As long as Eric can wear his Storm Trooper armor while he's posting. We don't have any rules against that, do we?
Depends on what you're wearing, fistful......
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 20, 2008, 11:40:27 AM
Post by: Phyphor on January 20, 2008, 11:42:54 AM
Post by: seeker_two on January 20, 2008, 11:45:50 AM
What, no golden bikini? You sir disappoint us!
E chuta'........
Post by: Antibubba on January 20, 2008, 04:22:52 PM
But when Bill Clinton becomes the voice of reason, you know the Paulians have gone past "libertarian" to "lunatic fringe".
Post by: Manedwolf on January 20, 2008, 04:38:17 PM
"Behave like a Palestinian mob" is a bit extreme, though--it isn't as if the Paulian's opened fire at a funeral or stoned a woman for showing a little leg.
But when Bill Clinton becomes the voice of reason, you know the Paulians have gone past "libertarian" to "lunatic fringe".
But when Bill Clinton becomes the voice of reason, you know the Paulians have gone past "libertarian" to "lunatic fringe".
Well, it was in terms of the fact that one expects Americans to protest coherently, not go "AHHH Foxsucks blarg ARRG AHHH" while running up on someone like a mob. That's more "sandbox" than "middle America", for sure.
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erictank: You do realize that you are having an arguement about the merits of a hobby where one conceals their true identity with a person on the Internet who calls himself "Manedwolf" and represents himself visually with a picture of a puppy dog, right?....
Um. The picture is a maned wolf with its tongue sticking out. I thought it was funny. The animal is one I've done some things to help with conservation efforts of, it's a pretty cool-looking South American quasi-canine that's endangered. I like to make people aware that they exist, so they'll check out what they are. I didn't think that a randomly chosen web avatar pic related to a conservation hobby was anything like playing dress-up as an adult.
And Fistful, I know video stuff because it's my job. They pay me to edit high-def videos for tradeshows as part of marketing, and buy me a new version of Final Cut Pro every time it comes out. I don't just do print marketing. Need to wear lots of hats these days.
Post by: seeker_two on January 20, 2008, 04:59:02 PM
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erictank: You do realize that you are having an arguement about the merits of a hobby where one conceals their true identity with a person on the Internet who calls himself "Manedwolf" and represents himself visually with a picture of a puppy dog, right?....
Um. The picture is a maned wolf with its tongue sticking out. I thought it was funny. The animal is one I've done some things to help with conservation efforts of, it's a pretty cool-looking South American quasi-canine that's endangered. I like to make people aware that they exist, so they'll check out what they are. I didn't think that a randomly chosen web avatar pic related to a conservation hobby was anything like playing dress-up as an adult.
Well....I didn't say it wasn't a cute puppy dog.....I was just pointing out an ironic situation apparent to me.....
BTW, should fistful keep with the white robes or go for the metal bikini?.....
Post by: Tecumseh on January 21, 2008, 05:11:02 PM
I urge you, and everyone else inclined to throw stones at science fiction fans in general and Star Wars costumers in particular, to remember that this is supposed to be the "Armed POLITE Society"...
And I urge you not to take things so seriously.
So it's okay to be rude, to insult others for what they do (which harms no one, demonstratedly HELPS many, and shows a level of technical competence in various fields beyond the grasp of many, apparently), simply because you're prejudiced against them? Not even because of any real consideration about the topic - just because you've bought into the stereotypes?
I thought the whole idea was to be better than that, myself...
Actually, I think most of us here are science fiction fans, even the guys in this thread who've made negative comments. (And Manedwolf is a HUGE video game and audio-visual geek.
) I'm a bit of a sci-fi fan, myself. What I meant is that you've read a few comments in one thread, and suddenly conclude that we're all on some anti-sci-fi crusade. They were really poking fun at Ron Paul supporters, more than anything. Some seem to think Ron Paul's support comes largely from young punks smoking weed in Momma's basement.
As far as debate on the topics go, we've done plenty of that already. You'll find more, if you keep reading. This isn't really a serious political thread, though. Look at the thread title.
I thought the Wookie picture was kinda funny, myself, but I guess it's just the usual political circus.
So many great characters as well. Tanis, Frodo, Jesus, Raistlin, and many others. I think they are the ones who brought the books to life in my opinion.
Post by: Dntsycnt on January 21, 2008, 07:07:40 PM
Post by: Bigjake on January 22, 2008, 02:22:54 AM
Hmmm...something tells me Tecumseh has some hangups with Christianity, that he lets bleed over into the rest of his life like a door-to-door preacher that wont leave you the hell alone.
Just wait, It gets even funnier when shooting student arrives to defend Tecumseh's "Christian Upbringing" from any nay-sayers.
But, as long as its not contagious, I'm OK with it.