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Or perhaps I'm misinformed.
I was told that Ron Paul finished ahead of Guilliani in the Iowa primaries. For what that's worth.
I was at the pub last night and there was a muted TV on a major news station showing a red pie chart of the Iowa results. Four of the slices were colored and labeled with 4 GOP candidates. Ron Paul's slice was not one of the highlighted and labeled slices, his was apparently one of the greyed-out slices. You know, the small ones that aren't worth highlighting and labeling. It makes fine sense to only label and highlight the four biggest slices, and for the losers at the bottom, well, better luck next time.
Except they didn't highlight the four biggest slices. There was a conspicuously large grayed-out slice that was bigger than Guilliani's just sitting there. I was like, wait, whose slice is that? And then it hit me. In other words, they highlighted the largest, the 2nd largest, the 3rd largest, skipped Ron Paul, and highlighted the 5th largest. Because apparently Guilliani is newsworthy, and Ron Paul isn't, even if Ron Paul got more votes.
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Giuliani didn't run in the caucuses. That's why he didnt do better. Ron Paul managed to outpoll nobody. Congratulations.
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Ron Paul is unelectable, and thus not worth mentioning. Giuliani, on the other hand would make a great President, and thus his almost-victory is totally worth celebrating. Anyway most of Pauls votes came from spammers, didn't you know?
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To keep this fact-based, the following are the results from Iowa & NH:
Iowa
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html
Iowa
Candidate Vote %
Mike Huckabee 40,841 34.40%
Mitt Romney 29,949 25.2
Fred D. Thompson 15,904 13.4
John McCain 15,559 13.1
Ron Paul 11,817 10.0
Rudolph W. Giuliani 4,097 3.5
Duncan Hunter 524 0.4
Tom Tancredo 5 0.0
NH
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NH.html
New Hampshire
Candidate Vote %
John McCain 88,466 37.10%
Mitt Romney 75,343 31.6
Mike Huckabee 26,768 11.2
Rudolph W. Giuliani 20,395 8.5
Ron Paul 18,303 7.7
Others 5,099 2.1
Fred D. Thompson 2,886 1.2
Duncan Hunter 1,220 0.5
Tom Tancredo 68 0.0
Conclusion
The RP trounced RG in Iowa. RG barely beat RP in NH.
Let us see what happensin Mich & SC.
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Lets keep it even more fact based by pointing out that Giuliani did not run in Iowa. Therefore Ron Paul did not trounce him. You can only trounce someone if they run.
BEDFORD, New Hampshire (Reuters) - Rudy Giuliani was the only leading White House hopeful not in Iowa on Thursday as voters there kick off the process of choosing the next U.S. president, but he said he was not worried about missing it.
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In national polls, the former New York mayor has led the Republican field of candidates for the November 2008 election. But he trails in Iowa as well as the other early voting state, New Hampshire, which votes on January 8.
Asked if he was getting nervous about his decision to skip Iowa, Giuliani said he was still ahead in the polls in 16 to 18 states while his nearest competitor was ahead in just four.
"We're sitting in a pretty good position," he told reporters after meeting voters at a Segway factory in Bedford, New Hampshire. "So no, we're not worried and we're not concerned."
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TR:
He can say, "I wasn't running, so I don't care," but those are still Rep. delegates he won't get, momentum" he won't build up, and press coverage he won't get for free.
Reality marches on, despite RG's dismissal. I suspect he will be quite disappointed if he waits around until Florida without at least trying to show the flag.
His only hope is that the states keep going to different winners, so he can be another guy in the scrum. If any of the others break outta the pack, RG is toast.
Of course, Paul getting such a total in IA & NH won't amount to a hill of beans later on, either.
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The OP appeared to suggest that RP beating RG should have been big news. It wasn't big news because he didn't. He didnt because RG wasn't running. So it wasn't news at all. Despite the conspiracy-theories.
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If RG didn't run in the Caucus in Iowa, why is his name appearing in the results? Are all of those votes write-ins?
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If RG didn't run in the Caucus in Iowa, why is his name appearing in the results? Are all of those votes write-ins?
either that or something really fishy is going on.
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How does a name get on the ballot? Is is simply nominated there by people in Iowa?
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According to the official Iowa caucus website, http://www.iowacaucus.org/candidates.html, RG did run.
2008 Presidential Candidates
Joe Biden
8033 University Blvd, Suite C
Clive, IA 50325
(515) 440-2008
Web site: www.joebiden.com
E-mail: iowainfo@joebiden.com
Sam Brownback [withdrawn]
2700 University Avenue, Ste. 206
West Des Moines, IA 50266
(515) 221-1001
Fax: (515) 221-1007
Web site: www.brownback.com
Hillary Clinton
715 East 2nd Street
Des Moines, IA 50309
(202) 263-0180
Web site: www.hillaryclinton.com
John Cox
815 Office Park Road
West Des Moines, IA 50265
(877) 234-3800
Web site: www.cox2008.com
Chris Dodd
1115 Grand Ave.
Des Moines, IA 50309
(515) 282-3633
Web site: www.chrisdodd.com
Jim Gilmore [withdrawn]
P.O. Box 19128
Alexandria, VA 22320
(703) 942-8110
Web site: www.gilmoreforpresident.com
E-mail: info@gilmoreforpresident.com
John Edwards
712 East 2nd Street
Des Moines, IA 50309
(515) 288-0766
Web site: www.johnedwards.com
Rudy Giuliani
295 Greenwich St, #371
New York, NY 10007
Web site: joinrudy2008.com
E-mail: webteam@joinrudy2008.com
Mike Gravel
PO Box 948
Arlington, VA 22216
(703) 652-4698
Web site: www.gravel2008.us
Mike Huckabee
P.O. Box 2008
Little Rock, AR 72203
(515) 681-3967
Web site: www.explorehuckabee.com
Dennis Kucinich
PO Box 110145
Cleveland, Ohio 44111
(216) 252-9000
Web site: www.kucinich.us
Duncan Hunter
9340 Fuerte Drive, Ste. 302
La Mesa, CA 91941-4164
(602) 757-3766
Web site: www.gohunter08.com
Barack Obama
323 East Locust Street
Des Moines, IA 50309
(515) 883-2008
Web site: www.barackobama.com
John McCain
2335 70th Street
Urbandale, IA 50322
(877) 429-2008
Web site: www.johnmccain.com
Bill Richardson
601 S.W. 9th Street, Ste K
Des Moines, IA 50309
(515) 243-9502
Web site: www.richardsonforpresident.com
Ron Paul
850 N. Randolph Street, Suite 122
Arlington, VA 22203
(703) 248-9115
Web site: www.ronpaul2008.com
Mitt Romney
3590 109th Street
Urbandale, IA 50322
(888) 722-4704
Web site: www.mittromney.com
Tom Tancredo [withdrawn]
217 Welch Avenue, Ste. 102
Ames, IA 50014
(515) 268-3341
Web site: www.teamtancredo.com
Fred Thompson
Friends of Fred Thompson
2530 73rd Street
Urbandale, IA 50322
(515) 276-9427
Web site: www.fred08.com/
Tommy Thompson [withdrawn]
10544 Justin Drive
Urbandale, IA 50322
Web site: www.tommy2008.com
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I think what Rabbi means is that he didn't campaign in that state.
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I think what Rabbi means is that he didn't campaign in that state.
And thus, nobody in Iowa was really aware of the fact that he was running for President. Hell, I think Clinton is the only one to have visited Arkansas that I am aware of.
Guess I can't vote for anyone else, damn.
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As a Ron Paul supporter, are you aware that Huckabee and Thompson are running for president? Of course you are, but you're still not voting for them, huh?
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Yes, which sound like exactly what happened to Giuliani in Iowa.