Post by: CmereYou on February 02, 2008, 12:57:53 AM
If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun?
Post by: 30 cal slob on February 02, 2008, 01:35:40 AM
"but you'll shoot your eye out."
Post by: Manedwolf on February 02, 2008, 03:51:06 AM
Post by: Bigjake on February 02, 2008, 04:46:19 AM
Post by: Dntsycnt on February 02, 2008, 04:48:15 AM
A. Do not have forearms with a circumference larger than 8 inches.
B. Own no bandannas.
C. Are not Rambo.
Anyone caught with an M60 and any combination of the previous attributes is to be assumed plotting terrorist acts.
Or am I thinking of another gun?
Post by: Bogie on February 02, 2008, 04:58:51 AM
A full-auto needs a fatter bank account, six months, and sign-offs... I've never heard of age restrictions on NFA - are there?
Oh, and you'll need to send it to one of the specialists and have it reworked for reliability, if it hasn't already.
Post by: Fly320s on February 02, 2008, 06:32:01 AM
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Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
Of course. No questions asked, other than "Cash or credit?"
You should also be able to buy one on the AlGoreInternet and have it shipped anywhere you like. Or buy one at Wal-Mart. Or better yet, Sam's Club, since you will need to bulk buy your ammo.
You'll find that most people here on APS are pretty much pro-freedom.
Post by: Finch on February 02, 2008, 07:56:26 AM
A. Do not have forearms with a circumference larger than 8 inches.
Pfft, my wrist is 8.25.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 02, 2008, 07:59:45 AM
You'll find that most people here on APS are pretty much pro-freedom.
There goes that thread.
For some reason, I assumed he meant a fire-cracker.
Because a crew-served heavy weapon could be used to hold up a convenience store, of course.
Is an M60 considered a heavy weapon? Well, I'm sure it's heavy after a few miles of road march, but other than that...
Post by: Scout26 on February 02, 2008, 08:09:39 AM
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Is an M60 considered a heavy weapon? Well, I'm sure it's heavy after a few miles of road march, but other than that...
We didn't call it "The Pig" for nothing.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 02, 2008, 08:32:34 AM
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Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
Of course. No questions asked, other than "Cash or credit?"
You should also be able to buy one on the AlGoreInternet and have it shipped anywhere you like. Or buy one at Wal-Mart. Or better yet, Sam's Club, since you will need to bulk buy your ammo.
You'll find that most people here on APS are pretty much pro-freedom.
Post by: K Frame on February 02, 2008, 08:39:59 AM
NO ONE should be allowed to buy an M60 over the counter.
They stink.
An MG42, on the other hand...
Post by: CmereYou on February 02, 2008, 08:48:30 AM
Well, a semi-auto M60 is available, with nothing more required than a gullible customer, a fat bank account, and a phone call to Warshington...
A full-auto needs a fatter bank account, six months, and sign-offs... I've never heard of age restrictions on NFA - are there?
Oh, and you'll need to send it to one of the specialists and have it reworked for reliability, if it hasn't already.
A full-auto needs a fatter bank account, six months, and sign-offs... I've never heard of age restrictions on NFA - are there?
Oh, and you'll need to send it to one of the specialists and have it reworked for reliability, if it hasn't already.
Do you honestly think that the artificially inflated NFA market for full-auto counts as "available?"
Post by: Bogie on February 02, 2008, 09:36:10 AM
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Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 02, 2008, 12:22:46 PM
Well, a semi-auto M60 is available, with nothing more required than a gullible customer, a fat bank account, and a phone call to Warshington...
A full-auto needs a fatter bank account, six months, and sign-offs... I've never heard of age restrictions on NFA - are there?
Oh, and you'll need to send it to one of the specialists and have it reworked for reliability, if it hasn't already.
A full-auto needs a fatter bank account, six months, and sign-offs... I've never heard of age restrictions on NFA - are there?
Oh, and you'll need to send it to one of the specialists and have it reworked for reliability, if it hasn't already.
Do you honestly think that the artificially inflated NFA market for full-auto counts as "available?"
Given every definition of "available" I've ever read, yes.
Now I wouldn't say the current legal process was "convenient", "affordable" or even "Constitutional", but those weren't part of the original question.
Post by: Archie on February 02, 2008, 03:16:03 PM
The 2nd Amendment to the U. S. Constitution was written and adopted as part of the checks and balances owned by the citizens of the United States against the various governments within these United States. From that perspective, the only plausable answer to the thread question is "Yes".
Without the power to physically resist the government and governmental incroachment, promises of freedoms listed on paper are meaningless.
Post by: roo_ster on February 02, 2008, 04:36:58 PM
I would prefer to see mine come & get dropped on the porch by the lovely brown truck of fun & gadgets, however.
Post by: Boomhauer on February 02, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
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Are not Rambo.
Seriously, I'm going to reveal something here. My last name IS Rambo. So leave us alone, dammit!
And I prefer the BAR or an FN MAG 58.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 02, 2008, 08:58:16 PM
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Is an M60 considered a heavy weapon? Well, I'm sure it's heavy after a few miles of road march, but other than that...
We didn't call it "The Pig" for nothing.
Is that whence the name? Never had the honor of humping the 60 for very long, never wanted to.
We fired the 240/MAG-58 in OSUT, so I could never get too excited by the 60.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 02, 2008, 09:03:26 PM
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Are not Rambo.
Seriously, I'm going to reveal something here. My last name IS Rambo. So leave us alone, dammit!
And I prefer the BAR or an FN MAG 58.
A full-auto BAR in 30-06 is a fun thing.
Post by: Bogie on February 02, 2008, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 02, 2008, 09:44:29 PM
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Is an M60 considered a heavy weapon? Well, I'm sure it's heavy after a few miles of road march, but other than that...
We didn't call it "The Pig" for nothing.
Is that whence the name? Never had the honor of humping the 60 for very long, never wanted to.
We fired the 240/MAG-58 in OSUT, so I could never get too excited by the 60.
I joined the Marines in '91 and still had to deal with that POS. It was ugly, heavy and unreliable. Unlike actual swine, it actually got pretty dirty too.
If we were going to steal from the Nazi's we should have had the good graces to not screw up their design in the process.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 02, 2008, 09:58:55 PM
I joined the Marines in '91 and still had to deal with that POS.
My company had a couple of them in 2000. I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units. The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.
Post by: seeker_two on February 03, 2008, 03:38:08 AM
Should I be able to buy an M60 over the counter?
Depends....how's your upper body strength and tolerance for handling superheated barrels bare-handed?.....
Preaching to the choir, here.....
Post by: Tallpine on February 03, 2008, 06:38:46 AM
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My last name IS Rambo.
I hope you're not related to the Rambo that used to live in our area
Post by: Scout26 on February 03, 2008, 08:49:16 AM
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If we were going to steal from the Nazi's we should have had the good graces to not screw up their design in the process.
I think the designers threw away all the good features of the MG34/MG42 and said "Let's do the exact opposite to produce the worst weapon possible."
Post by: Manedwolf on February 03, 2008, 08:56:18 AM
That gun costs about $25,000 last I'd seen one.
Post by: Devonai on February 03, 2008, 09:20:29 AM
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My company had a couple of them in 2000. I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units. The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.
Yup. Ours run very well, however, and nobody in the weapons squads want to switch to the 240.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 03, 2008, 09:24:56 AM
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My company had a couple of them in 2000. I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units. The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.
Yup. Ours run very well, however, and nobody in the weapons squads want to switch to the 240.
They just don't want to carry the additional weight.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 03, 2008, 10:37:06 AM
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My company had a couple of them in 2000. I'm sure there are still plenty in U.S. service, even with active duty units. The National Guard will probably have them until they are replaced by phasers in 2147.
Yup. Ours run very well, however, and nobody in the weapons squads want to switch to the 240.
They just don't want to carry the additional weight.
Maybe it's its origin as a coax gun, but the Golf's feel squarer to carry to me. More hard edges to dig into your skin. They aren't that much heavier but they don't carry as comfy.
But I like that they don't seem to hiccup as much.
Which model are you guys using Dev, any idea what production year?
Post by: Devonai on February 03, 2008, 12:01:58 PM
Having carried the 240 during the latter days of OSUT, I would have to agree that it's not just the weight, but the ergonomics as well.
Post by: Boomhauer on February 03, 2008, 01:16:24 PM
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I hope you're not related to the Rambo that used to live in our area
Probably not. In any case, I deny relations to anybody who has the last name, and many a time I will deny being related to actual family members.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 03, 2008, 03:12:27 PM
Post by: RevDisk on February 03, 2008, 05:02:34 PM
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Do you honestly think that the artificially inflated NFA market for full-auto counts as "available?"
Government induced scarcity with extreme price distortion of Constitutional questionability technically is "available".
I haven't spent much time with the dismount 240, either, but it's little brother (the 249) is a chip off the square, uncomfortable block.
Hey, just because you didn't get a SAW cozy, don't be knocking the 249. It's a fine mini MG.
Post by: The Rabbi on February 04, 2008, 02:08:24 AM
S'long as I can prove that I'm above, say, eighteen years old. ID shown as verification, no forms or any transaction records.
If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun?
If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun?
Why stop at 18? In many states kids can drive at 15. Why limit it to anybody, why require ID? Why limit it to citizens?
Post by: El Tejon on February 04, 2008, 06:53:47 AM
Oh, wait, we are talking about the GPMG, not the Smith revolver.
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 04, 2008, 03:06:19 PM
As far as age restriction goes, if you are old enough to be trusted with a 3,000 lbs vehicle carrying 20 gallons of gasoline and going at 80mph, you should also be trusted to own a firearm.
Regarding automatic weapons in general, current restrictions are ironically in favor of seasoned criminals who know how to shoot. If the common citizenry were allowed UZIs, which can be effective with minimal training and are cheap to own, my prediction is that criminals (and statists) would be far less bold in their activities. Nothing like a shower of lead to cool heels and improve manners.
Post by: cordex on February 04, 2008, 05:47:21 PM
Why stop at 18? In many states kids can drive at 15. Why limit it to anybody, why require ID? Why limit it to citizens?
*sigh*
Rabbi, have you ever heard of the "slippery slope" logical fallacy?
Oh, I see that you have:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=620.msg9455#msg9455
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=3785.msg56360#msg56360
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=8417.msg138627#msg138627
Funny, that.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 04, 2008, 05:53:02 PM
So long as you have no prior history of mental defect, you should be able to purchase a machinegun as a citizen.
Well, then, we will all lose our guns once they find our posts here.
Post by: The Rabbi on February 04, 2008, 06:12:27 PM
Why stop at 18? In many states kids can drive at 15. Why limit it to anybody, why require ID? Why limit it to citizens?
*sigh*
Rabbi, have you ever heard of the "slippery slope" logical fallacy?
Oh, I see that you have:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=620.msg9455#msg9455
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=3785.msg56360#msg56360
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=8417.msg138627#msg138627
Funny, that.
And what does that have to do with my question?
If the OP wants to say that an M240 machine gun is inherently no more dangerous than an automobile then logically anyone who can drive an automobile ought to be able to purchase a machine gun. So why restrict ownership by age or prior criminal record or citizenship status?
Post by: Fly320s on February 05, 2008, 01:26:44 AM
S'long as I can prove that I'm above, say, eighteen years old. ID shown as verification, no forms or any transaction records.
If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun?
If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun?
Why stop at 18? In many states kids can drive at 15. Why limit it to anybody, why require ID? Why limit it to citizens?
Me... I wouldn't draw the line at all. But, in the interest of the ever-pleasing comprimise, I'll agree to set the age at 18 for cars and guns.
Post by: geronimotwo on February 05, 2008, 11:13:25 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on February 05, 2008, 11:22:43 AM
yes.. yes.. absolutly... oh wait, i was thinking of the M1 abrams.....M60MG? yes.. yes.. absolutly...
An M1 gets terrible gas mileage. On the plus side, if someone tailgates you, you can throttle up and melt their paint off.
Post by: The Viking on February 05, 2008, 12:05:37 PM
yes.. yes.. absolutly... oh wait, i was thinking of the M1 abrams.....M60MG? yes.. yes.. absolutly...
An M1 gets terrible gas mileage. On the plus side, if someone tailgates you, you can throttle up and melt their paint off.
Post by: RevDisk on February 05, 2008, 12:10:19 PM
S'long as I can prove that I'm above, say, eighteen years old. ID shown as verification, no forms or any transaction records.
If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun
If you don't think so, please tell me why, and what controls should be in place to determine who can own a M60 machinegun
I think an appropriate control would be the clerk having to say "Would you like to supersize that? We have an excellent deal on M2 .50 BMG's."
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2008, 12:40:46 PM
Post by: seeker_two on February 05, 2008, 01:27:36 PM
Isn't there also a U.S. tank called the M60?
....and a firecracker......love those firecrackers.....
Post by: LAK on February 06, 2008, 12:14:37 AM
I can only think of one, and that is the cost of feeding it.
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Post by: Fly320s on February 06, 2008, 03:27:49 AM
Isn't there also a U.S. tank called the M60?
There was. It's no longer part of the US inventory.
Post by: The Rabbi on February 06, 2008, 04:02:21 AM
State one good reason why not?
I can only think of one, and that is the cost of feeding it.
I can only think of one, and that is the cost of feeding it.
That isn't a reason to restrict it. It might be a reason why an intelligent person wouldn't want one though.
State one good reason why anybody, anybody at all, shouldn't be allowed to buy one.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 06, 2008, 04:13:40 AM
Isn't there also a U.S. tank called the M60?
There was. It's no longer part of the US inventory.They were still in NG armories when that guy stole one and rampaged through San Diego, in 1995 though.
Post by: Tallpine on February 06, 2008, 06:45:29 AM
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State one good reason why anybody, anybody at all, shouldn't be allowed to buy one.
1)
Post by: seeker_two on February 06, 2008, 07:24:13 AM
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State one good reason why anybody, anybody at all, shouldn't be allowed to buy one.
1)
It's heavy and most of us don't look good shirtless in Rambo pants.....
Post by: Fly320s on February 06, 2008, 07:25:33 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on February 06, 2008, 07:29:48 AM
What about pantless in a Rambo shirt?
How about panties in a Rainbow shirt?
Post by: seeker_two on February 06, 2008, 07:33:26 AM
What about pantless in a Rambo shirt?
How about panties in a Rainbow shirt?
TMI, Rabbi......
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 06, 2008, 07:43:54 PM
How about panties in a Rainbow shirt?
Is that a threat? Can I set this thing to block images of hairy Rabbis in frighteningly non-traditional garb?
Post by: seeker_two on February 07, 2008, 01:35:26 AM
How about panties in a Rainbow shirt?
Is that a threat? Can I set this thing to block images of hairy Rabbis in frighteningly non-traditional garb?
If you find out how, PM me....
Post by: Firethorn on February 07, 2008, 07:20:54 AM
If you find out how, PM me....
I think that, in this case, it needs to be public information.
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on February 07, 2008, 09:14:28 AM
How about panties in a Rainbow shirt?
Is that a threat? Can I set this thing to block images of hairy Rabbis in frighteningly non-traditional garb?
Ok. need about a gallon of brain bleach to get rid of *THAT* mental image...
Post by: DustinD on February 08, 2008, 01:03:41 PM
Post by: Scout26 on February 08, 2008, 01:43:44 PM
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What about pantless in a Rambo shirt?
Hot brass hitting sensitive body parts....... Ummm , I'll pass.
Post by: Fly320s on February 17, 2008, 06:29:38 PM
Okay, it is really a M4A3 Sherman, but it is close enough.
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=12348&query=retrieval
If you're looking for the machine gun M60, http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=12345&query=retrieval
Post by: Bogie on February 17, 2008, 06:40:31 PM
I be scarred for life.
Post by: coppertales on February 18, 2008, 10:31:47 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 18, 2008, 02:41:34 PM