Post by: Manedwolf on February 12, 2008, 03:36:58 AM
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To ease an application backlog, the federal government plans to issue green cards to about 47,000 immigrants before the FBI finishes a complete background check a move that critics warned could compromise national security.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5533508.html
Post by: Standing Wolf on February 12, 2008, 07:12:34 AM
Post by: The Viking on February 12, 2008, 07:23:03 AM
. I promise to behave, pay my taxes, respect the laws of the land, and all the things that one should expect from someone you've graciously let into your country
Post by: MrRezister on February 12, 2008, 07:32:33 AM
Post by: Bigjake on February 12, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Think I could get one? . I promise to behave, pay my taxes, respect the laws of the land, and all the things that one should expect from someone you've graciously let into your country
. I promise to behave, pay my taxes, respect the laws of the land, and all the things that one should expect from someone you've graciously let into your country Move here and I'll introduce you personally to the "Gunshow Loophole"
Post by: Paddy on February 12, 2008, 05:51:33 PM
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Post by: Bigjake on February 12, 2008, 06:03:26 PM
WTH???
??Show me where legal immigrants can't buy weapons. Kim du Toit has a fine collection of firearms.
Post by: Paddy on February 12, 2008, 06:09:34 PM
Post by: Boomhauer on February 12, 2008, 06:43:37 PM
So, it's easier to give out green cards instead of getting legislation passed to loosen control over the border even more. It's easy to tack on provisions for relaxed green card restrictions to a bill that doesn't even get read by the congress critters before they vote on it. *expletive deleted*it like this happens all the time- usually for pork projects.
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 13, 2008, 05:24:37 AM
But never fear, no matter who wins, McStain or Hillbama, there will be a giant amnesty. Then when you capture the gangbangers, you would not even be able to repatriate them. So, be ready to pay for more prisons.
Post by: seeker_two on February 13, 2008, 06:13:02 AM
Post by: Racehorse on February 13, 2008, 06:27:22 AM
Post by: MrRezister on February 13, 2008, 06:37:51 AM
We just got a green card for my wife a few months ago. I don't think they do background checks now. They ask for a lot of information on the forms, but I don't think they really follow up on any of it.
Well, there you go. What's the point of doing a background check if they already asked all the relevant questions? It all makes sense now.
Post by: mtnbkr on February 13, 2008, 06:43:31 AM
No matter that his mom and sister are now legal residents of the US and he has a steady job here.
Chris
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 13, 2008, 06:53:36 AM
and try to keep your fantasy answers within the scope of reallity ie having to do thousands of checks
Post by: Manedwolf on February 13, 2008, 06:55:21 AM
Post by: ilbob on February 13, 2008, 07:00:59 AM
so how would you folkd propose to do a background check on a person from overseas? answering this will be no where near as much fun as gnashing your teeth
and try to keep your fantasy answers within the scope of reallity ie having to do thousands of checks
A lot of countries have systems that are similar to our our NCIC system. I would be they would allow the FBI to use them. and try to keep your fantasy answers within the scope of reallity ie having to do thousands of checks
EU, Canada, Australia, japan etc.
I suspect it would be near impossible to do a serious background check on someone from mexico, africa or russia.
Post by: Racehorse on February 13, 2008, 07:11:52 AM
We just got a green card for my wife a few months ago. I don't think they do background checks now. They ask for a lot of information on the forms, but I don't think they really follow up on any of it.
Well, there you go. What's the point of doing a background check if they already asked all the relevant questions? It all makes sense now.
I can't tell what you mean from this. My point is not whether they should do a background check or not. I believe they should. My point is that I don't think they're really doing it now, so this "new" policy doesn't seem to be much of a change.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:06:41 AM
Start by reversing the idiocy that makes it far harder for someone from a first-world nation to emigrate than it is for someone from a third-world nation.
I thought all men are created equal here? Why do you discriminate against people because of their place of origin? Who cares about this. Just open the borders, as that is what freedom is all about? Make the country less desirable for these people to come here and they won't.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 13, 2008, 08:07:03 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on February 13, 2008, 08:15:48 AM
Who cares about this. Just open the borders, as that is what freedom is all about?
If you don't have borders, you don't have a country.
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Make the country less desirable for these people to come here and they won't.
By dealing harshly with people who employ them, yes, less will come to try to work illegally. But they'll still come...to take. Have you heard about the Mexican kidnappers crossing the border, grabbing people, taking them back across and demanding ransom?
Eventually, when you get a bit more into the real world, you'll realize how things are. It's why a lot of college students are liberals, then they grow up and become conservatives.
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 08:18:42 AM
Start by reversing the idiocy that makes it far harder for someone from a first-world nation to emigrate than it is for someone from a third-world nation.
I thought all men are created equal here? Why do you discriminate against people because of their place of origin? Who cares about this. Just open the borders, as that is what freedom is all about? Make the country less desirable for these people to come here and they won't.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:29:35 AM
For example, using them in construction comes to mind. What if customers demanded that no illegal immigrant labor was used? I doubt they would come here because they would not have jobs. For example, if someone is building a McMansion style house, they could ask the contractor to make sure all of his/her employees have green-cards and are legal. If they could not prove it, then they were not hired.
Instead of trying to save a buck, couldn't we hire Americans born here?
What if we asked that hospitals can turn away the uninsured? What if we demanded that they have insurance or refer them to a charity?
How about a work program? What about bringing back work visas and the bracero program?
Post by: Manedwolf on February 13, 2008, 08:34:14 AM
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What if we asked that hospitals can turn away the uninsured? What if we demanded that they have insurance or refer them to a charity?
Good luck with that! The liberals would scream.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 09:43:07 AM
Who cares about this. Just open the borders, as that is what freedom is all about?
If you don't have borders, you don't have a country.
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Make the country less desirable for these people to come here and they won't.
By dealing harshly with people who employ them, yes, less will come to try to work illegally. But they'll still come...to take. Have you heard about the Mexican kidnappers crossing the border, grabbing people, taking them back across and demanding ransom?
Eventually, when you get a bit more into the real world, you'll realize how things are. It's why a lot of college students are liberals, then they grow up and become conservatives.
I do believe that bad people can immigrate from anywhere. Mexico is an example, but that does not rule out friendly nations. Nations like Saudi Arabia (some of whose immigrants came here and hijacked planes), Russia (the Russian mob for example), Israel (lots of ties to Russian gangsters and crime lords), Italy (the old Mafia), China (lots of criminals immigrate here and pirate products), etc.
Using your logic, we should not allow any immigrants as they could be criminals.
These kidnappers, did they cross legally? What about the legal immigrants from Mexico? Why make it harder for them because some of their countrymen are criminals?
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 09:44:05 AM
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What if we asked that hospitals can turn away the uninsured? What if we demanded that they have insurance or refer them to a charity?
Good luck with that! The liberals would scream.
Post by: roo_ster on February 13, 2008, 10:52:01 AM
Start by reversing the idiocy that makes it far harder for someone from a first-world nation to emigrate than it is for someone from a third-world nation.
Why do you discriminate against people because of their place of origin? Because immigration is primarily for the benefit of the USA, not the immigrant or another country.
Immigrants from 1st world countries are much more likely to speak English, have an education, and not be a burden on social(ist) welfare services.
Also, most first world countries have cultures more compatible with the USA's than others. This makes it easier for them to assimilate and be successful in the USA.
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 13, 2008, 01:06:51 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on February 13, 2008, 04:00:21 PM
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world." That the priorities in our gov's policies are so messed up is a direct result of deep infiltration of all levels of government by pinko globalists and socialists who honestly think US is here to fix other nations' problems. That is the root of most of our troubles.
Liberals are people who, through misguided good intentions, will keep taking people into an already-swamped lifeboat until it sinks.
Post by: seeker_two on February 13, 2008, 04:12:19 PM
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world." That the priorities in our gov's policies are so messed up is a direct result of deep infiltration of all levels of government by pinko globalists and socialists who honestly think US is here to fix other nations' problems. That is the root of most of our troubles.
Liberals are people who, through misguided good intentions, will keep taking people into an already-swamped lifeboat until it sinks.
Kinda like John McCain?.......
Post by: Tecumseh on February 14, 2008, 01:12:29 AM
Start by reversing the idiocy that makes it far harder for someone from a first-world nation to emigrate than it is for someone from a third-world nation.
Why do you discriminate against people because of their place of origin? Because immigration is primarily for the benefit of the USA, not the immigrant or another country.
Immigrants from 1st world countries are much more likely to speak English, have an education, and not be a burden on social(ist) welfare services.
Also, most first world countries have cultures more compatible with the USA's than others. This makes it easier for them to assimilate and be successful in the USA.
But plese do explain how some countries cultures are more compatible? We don't really have a distinct culture but a hybrid of many cultures here in the USA. Can you name a group that has not assimilated after a generation or two and took on the properties of the hybrid culture?
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 14, 2008, 04:55:00 AM
But plese do explain how some countries cultures are more compatible? We don't really have a distinct culture but a hybrid of many cultures here in the USA.
Are you serious? Are you saying that our society is culturally as close to leaf-cloth wearing hunter-gatherer tribalism as it is to Western Europe Christian constitutional republicanism with limited capitalism? If you are, I give up on you.
Just because you can eat eggrolls, eclairs, Turkish delight, and canoli in the same day and bunk up with women from every race in the same week without leaving a major metropolitan area does not make the US a faceless Babylon. I suggest you travel more; ambient culture is always invisible until you get out and have something to compare it to.
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 14, 2008, 04:58:06 AM
Liberals are people who, through misguided good intentions, will keep taking people into an already-swamped lifeboat until it sinks.
Those are bourgeois decadent thoughts, comrade! Equality and "fairness" are more important than practical matters. It is far more important that everyone is equally and fairly, well, ... dead.
Post by: ilbob on February 14, 2008, 05:04:07 AM
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world."
AMEN!If I was dictator, I would give priority to immigrants who had skills and or education that is useful to the USA. The problem we have now, is that the system is skewed to immigrants with low/no skills/education.
Regarding compatibility with our culture, while there is some truth to the idea that the US has synthesized a culture from many others, that is also true of virtually every culture on earth.
There are several third world countries that I would be quite pleased to have skilled and educated people coming from. India and China come to mind. Both have a lot of well educated people who want to come here. I say buy them a plane ticket. What I don't want is Islamic Jihadists, and if we have to exclude people who are not radicalized to exclude the radicals, thats just the way it is. I also don't want people who have little or no skills or education. They will become a burden rather than a blessing. We have enough people on welfare as it is. Don't need to import any more. There are a fair number of people here from some parts of Africa as well (Nigeria seems to be one). Mostly they come here for college and stick around. I welcome them as well. They are likely to contribute on the whole to our prosperity.
Post by: roo_ster on February 14, 2008, 06:04:02 AM
Please explain. Define first world countries? I am assuming you are talking about Europe? I would argue that many other countries (India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, much of Africa) speak English. It is a very well known international language.
But plese do explain how some countries cultures are more compatible? We don't really have a distinct culture but a hybrid of many cultures here in the USA. Can you name a group that has not assimilated after a generation or two and took on the properties of the hybrid culture?
But plese do explain how some countries cultures are more compatible? We don't really have a distinct culture but a hybrid of many cultures here in the USA. Can you name a group that has not assimilated after a generation or two and took on the properties of the hybrid culture?
"First World" already has a definition. Get off your fourth point of contact & look it up, I am not your personal "Tecumseh-pedia."
Your assumptions are not my assumptions.
If you do not know the basics of culture, I can not help you. You either never were educated or were deliberately mal-educated. I will assume you are being facetious.
The USA was not a hybrid- or multi-cultural country. It was a multi-ethnic country with a single culture and a few, tenacious sub-cultures. There is a difference and that difference means that we don't have to be ruled by a despot to keep the various immiscible cultures from going Balkan.
Any culture alien to American culture can persist if it can maintain a steady flow of new immigrants from the alien culture and keep a center of mass. Examples of such are the current Mexican / S American influx since 1964, some enclaves of Russians in the Northeast, and a few oriental hotspots in some of the major urban centers. Dearborn, Michican & the Richardson/Dallas/Garland nexus in Texas are examples of middle eastern hotspots of persistent alien cultures.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 14, 2008, 08:18:38 AM
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world."
AMEN!If I was dictator, I would give priority to immigrants who had skills and or education that is useful to the USA. The problem we have now, is that the system is skewed to immigrants with low/no skills/education.
Regarding compatibility with our culture, while there is some truth to the idea that the US has synthesized a culture from many others, that is also true of virtually every culture on earth.
There are several third world countries that I would be quite pleased to have skilled and educated people coming from. India and China come to mind. Both have a lot of well educated people who want to come here. I say buy them a plane ticket. What I don't want is Islamic Jihadists, and if we have to exclude people who are not radicalized to exclude the radicals, thats just the way it is. I also don't want people who have little or no skills or education. They will become a burden rather than a blessing. We have enough people on welfare as it is. Don't need to import any more. There are a fair number of people here from some parts of Africa as well (Nigeria seems to be one). Mostly they come here for college and stick around. I welcome them as well. They are likely to contribute on the whole to our prosperity.
Post by: seeker_two on February 14, 2008, 08:23:35 AM
As a nation, we should ask "what can the world do for us through immigration?", not "what can we do as a nation to help the outside world."
AMEN!If I was dictator, I would give priority to immigrants who had skills and or education that is useful to the USA. The problem we have now, is that the system is skewed to immigrants with low/no skills/education.
Regarding compatibility with our culture, while there is some truth to the idea that the US has synthesized a culture from many others, that is also true of virtually every culture on earth.
There are several third world countries that I would be quite pleased to have skilled and educated people coming from. India and China come to mind. Both have a lot of well educated people who want to come here. I say buy them a plane ticket. What I don't want is Islamic Jihadists, and if we have to exclude people who are not radicalized to exclude the radicals, thats just the way it is. I also don't want people who have little or no skills or education. They will become a burden rather than a blessing. We have enough people on welfare as it is. Don't need to import any more. There are a fair number of people here from some parts of Africa as well (Nigeria seems to be one). Mostly they come here for college and stick around. I welcome them as well. They are likely to contribute on the whole to our prosperity.
Check their green card.......
Post by: LAK on February 14, 2008, 10:26:41 PM
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