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Title: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on February 12, 2008, 08:33:41 PM

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915_Che_Guevara_Flags_in_Obamas_Houston_Office&only

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 12, 2008, 08:53:28 PM

Be nice if this goes around the interweird a few dozen times...

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Ryan in Maine on February 12, 2008, 10:08:24 PM

You've got to keep up with the times. Che Guevara is in fashion. cheesy

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 11:24:43 PM

So what?

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on February 13, 2008, 01:41:13 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

So nothing, other than it reveals a little bit about Obama and his ideas.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 13, 2008, 01:53:53 AM

Quote from: dasmi on February 13, 2008, 12:41:13 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

So nothing, other than it reveals a little bit about Obama and his ideas.

So Obama is supervising campaign office decor now? Busy guy....

Sadly enough, Che would probably be a much better candidate than the ones we have now......and he's dead.....maybe because he's dead......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on February 13, 2008, 01:59:41 AM

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180 DOCUMENTED VICTIMS OF CH? GUEVARA IN CUBA: 1957 TO 1959
From: Armando M. Lago, Ph.D., Cuba. The Human Cost of Social Revolutions, unedited
Manuscript pending publication. Information provided by the TRUTH RECOVERY ARCHIVE ON CUBA
an undertaking of the FREE SOCIETY PROJECT, INC.
The exact number of Ches Cuban victims has not been verified, but include people he personally
executed and those put to death under his orders. Ches biographers consistently report that he sent
thousands to the firing squad. Over 4,000 deaths are documented to have taken place in Cuba, mostly
firing squad execution, in the first three years after Fidel Castros takeover (1959-1962). Che Guevara
was one of the regimes chief executioners during this period and is said to have acknowledged ordering
"several thousand" executions. All took place without affording the victims fair trials and due process of law.
The following list is not exhaustive and only includes cases for which historic reference is known. Names are
cited as reported; dates and additional details for most are available. Combat deaths caused by Che in Cuba
and killings in countries where he led guerrilla operations have not been tallied.
14 executed by Che in the Sierra Maestra during the anti-Batista guerrilla struggle (1957-1958):
1. ARISTIDIO 2. MANUEL CAPIT?N 3. JUAN CHANG 4. BISCO ECHEVARR?A 5. ECHEVARR?A BROTHER #1
6. ECHEVARR?A BROTHER #2 7. EUTIMIO GUERRA 8. DIONISIO LEBRIGIO 9. JUAN LEBRIGIO 10. EL NEGRO N?POLES
11. CHICHO OSORIO 12. ONE UNIDENTIFIED TEACHER (EL MAESTRO) 13.-14. 2 UNIDENTIFIED PEASANTS
10 executed in Santa Clara at Ches orders in only two days (January 1959):
1. RAM?N ALBA 2. JOS? BARROSO 3. JOAQU?N CASILLAS 4. F?LIX CRUZ 5. ALEJANDRO GARC?A OLAY?N
6. H?CTOR MIRABAL 7. J. MIRABAL 8. F?LIX MONTANO 9. CORNELIO ROJAS 10. VILALLA
156 executed at La Caba?a Fortress prison at Che Guevaras orders:
1. VILAU ABREU 2. HUMBERTO AGUIAR 3. GERM?N AGUIRRE 4. PELAYO ALAY?N 5. JOS? LUIS ALFARO
6. PEDRO ALFARO 7. MARIANO ALONSO 8. JOS? ALVARO 9. ANIELLA 10. MARIO ARES POLO
11. JOS? RAM?N BACALLAO 12. CEVERINO BARRIOS 13. EUGENIO B?CQUER 14. FRANCISCO B?CQUER
15. RAM?N BISCET 16. ROBERTO CALZADILLA 17. EUFEMIO CANO 18. JUAN CAPOTE FIALLO
19. ANTONIO CARRALERO 20. GERTRUDIS CASTELLANOS 21. JOS? CASTA?O QUEVEDO 22. RA?L CASTA?O
23. EUFEMIO CHALA 24. JOS? CHAMACE 25. JOS? CHAMIZO 26. RA?L CLAUSELL 27. ?NGEL CLAUSELL
28. DEMETRIO CLAUSELL 29. JOS? CLAUSELL 30. ELOY CONTRERAS 31. ALBERTO CORBO 32. EMILIO CRUZ
33. JUAN FELIPE CRUZ 34. ORESTES CRUZ 35. HUMBERTO CUEVAS 36. CUNY 37. ANTONIO DE BECHE
38. MATEO DELGADO 39. ARMANDO DELGADO 40. RAM?N DESPAIGNE 41. JOS? D?AZ CABEZAS
42. ANTONIO DUARTE 43. RAM?N FERN?NDEZ OJEDA 44. RUDY FERN?NDEZ 45. FERR?N ALFONSO
46. SALVADOR FERRERO 47. VICTOR FIGUEREDO 48. EDUARDO FORTE 49. UGARDE GAL?N
50. RAFAEL GARC?A MU?IZ 51. ADALBERTO GARC?A 52. ALBERTO GARC?A 53. JACINTO GARC?A
54. EVELIO GASPAR 55. ARMADA GIL Y DIEZ CABEZAS 56. JOS? GONZ?LEZ MALAG?N 57. EVARISTO GONZ?LEZ
58. EZEQUIEL GONZ?LEZ 59. SECUNDINO GONZ?LEZ 60. RICARDO GRAO 61. BONIFACIO GRASSO
62. RICARDO JOS? GRAU 63. OSCAR GUERRA 64. JULI?N HERN?NDEZ 65. FRANCISCO HERN?NDEZ LEYVA
66. ANTONIO HERN?NDEZ 67. GERARDO HERN?NDEZ 68. OLEGARIO HERN?NDEZ 69. SECUNDINO HERN?NDEZ
70. JES?S INSUA 71. ENRIQUE IZQUIERDO 72. OSM?N JORR?N 73. SILVINO JUNCO 74. ENRIQUE LA ROSA
75. IGNACIO LASAPARLA 76. JES?S LAZO 77. ARIEL LIMA LAGO 78. RA?L L?PEZ VIDAL 79. ARMANDO MAS
80. ENERLIO MATA 81. ELPIDIO MEDEROS 82. JOS? MEDINAS 83. JOS? MESA 84. FIDEL MESQU?A
85. JUAN MILI?N 86. FRANCISCO MIRABAL 87. LUIS MIRABAL 88. ERNESTO MORALES 89. PEDRO MOREJ?N
90. DR. CARLOS MUI?O, MD. 91. C?SAR NECOLARDES ROJAS 92. VICTOR NECOLARDES ROJAS 93. JOS? NU?EZ
94. VITERBO O'RREILLY 95. F?LIX OVIEDO 96. MANUEL PANEQUE 97. PEDRO PEDROSO 98. RAFAEL PEDROSO
99. DIEGO P?REZ CUESTA 100. JUAN P?REZ 101. DIEGO P?REZ CRELA 102. JOS? POZO 103. EMILIO PUEBLA
104. ALFREDO PUPO 105. SECUNDINO RAM?REZ 106. RAM?N RAMOS 107. PABLO RAVELO 108. RUB?N REY
109. MARIO RISQUELME 110. FERNANDO RIVERA 111. PABLO RIVERA 112. MANUEL RODR?GUEZ
113. MARCOS RODR?GUEZ 114. NEMESIO RODR?GUEZ 115. PABLO RODR?GUEZ 116. RICARDO RODR?GUEZ
117. JOS? SALDARA 118. PEDRO SANTANA 119. SERGIO SIERRA 120. JUAN SILVA 121. FAUSTO SILVA
122. ELPIDIO SOLER 123. JES?S SOSA BLANCO 124. RENATO SOSA 125. SERGIO SOSA 126. PEDRO SOTO
127. OSCAR SU?REZ 128. RAFAEL TARRAGO 129. TEODORO TELLEZ CISNEROS 130. FRANCISCO TELLEZ
131. JOS? TIN 132. FRANCISCO TRAVIESO 133. LEONARDO TRUJILLO 134. TRUJILLO 135. LUPE VALD?S BARBOSA
136. MARCELINO VALD?S 137. ANTONIO VALENT?N 138. MANUEL V?ZQUEZ 139. SERGIO V?ZQUEZ 140. VERDECIA
141. D?MASO ZAYAS
*15 additional executions were reported by The New York Times (on 2/6/59, 2/8/59, 3/16/59, and 4/2/59),
but names are unknown.

Yeah, he'd make a great candidate!

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 02:53:14 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: roo_ster on February 13, 2008, 04:50:54 AM

Quote from: jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 01:53:14 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.

Yup.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 13, 2008, 05:07:15 AM

Scratch a 'rat, find a leftist.

I think a picture is worth a thousand words. That one says it all.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Ben on February 13, 2008, 05:24:32 AM

Well, Che was for "change" too...

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Manedwolf on February 13, 2008, 05:27:32 AM

It's rumored that Che was put down with a US-supplied M-1 Carbine.

Obama wants to take those away, because they're semi-auto. Fitting.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 13, 2008, 05:58:50 AM

Quote from: BenW on February 13, 2008, 04:24:32 AM

Well, Che was for "change" too...

Vote for Che.......he's dead.......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: charby on February 13, 2008, 06:01:04 AM

Quote from: BenW on February 13, 2008, 04:24:32 AM

Well, Che was for "change" too...

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/cowswithguns

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: keeleon on February 13, 2008, 06:01:30 AM

Regardless of whether you think Mr. Guevera was a bad man or not, how is it possible that Obama is running for president, and doesn't have AMERICAN flags on his walls prominently? That is the most telling part. This infuriates me to no end. I couldn't care if he had Mickey Mouse or Britney Spears posters on the wall, the fact is, he man is running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (with a good chance of winning Sad

) and doesn't have American flags up in very central locations.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Werewolf on February 13, 2008, 06:27:12 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

Ya know...

The fact that the question was even asked is very indicative of what is wrong with Democrats and younger voters these days.

<geeeeeeez!>

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:08:35 AM

Quote from: jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 01:53:14 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.

Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul. Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause? I also don't think it is polite to call people morons, just my opinion.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:15:28 AM

Quote from: dasmi on February 13, 2008, 12:59:41 AM

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Yeah, he'd make a great candidate!

Well Andrew Jackson had murdered more people in office than that while in office. And he was re-elected!!!

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:16:16 AM

Quote from: keeleon on February 13, 2008, 05:01:30 AM

) and doesn't have American flags up in very central locations.

You didn't see the American flag in the picture? Look closer next time.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 08:16:22 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 07:08:35 AM

Quote from: jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 01:53:14 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.

Okay, they're not morons. Obama supporters are Communist sympathizers.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: SomeKid on February 13, 2008, 08:23:41 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 07:15:28 AM

Well Andrew Jackson had murdered more people in office than that while in office. And he was re-elected!!!

I don't recall Jackson setting up firing squads. And before you whine about the Trail, keep in mind, the problem there was that the Trail was not long enough.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:56:12 AM

Quote from: jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 07:16:22 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 07:08:35 AM

Quote from: jamisjockey on February 13, 2008, 01:53:14 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 12, 2008, 10:24:43 PM

So what?

It gives insight to the type of morons that support Obama.

Okay, they're not morons. Obama supporters are Communist sympathizers.

I can agree with that. However I would say that some Obama supporters are Communist sympathizers.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: keeleon on February 13, 2008, 09:22:36 AM

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You didn't see the American flag in the picture? Look closer next time.

No, I saw it, right next to a "communist" flag. I would think that if one were wanting to be in charge of the United States, one would want to prove that they cared about the United States over all else. He can wallpaper his walls with poop for all I care, but it doesn't make him look like he cares about the US FIRST.

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Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul. Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause?

But do Huckabee and Paul have Swastikas and rebel flags hanging proudly next to their US flags? It's not about what his beliefs are, it's about how much he openly shows contempt for Americans by doing this.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: El Tejon on February 13, 2008, 09:36:11 AM

Not all of Obama's supporters are communists. I would say 12 to 15% are merely socialists. grin

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 09:49:12 AM

Quote from: keeleon on February 13, 2008, 08:22:36 AM

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You didn't see the American flag in the picture? Look closer next time.

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Huckabee was supported by a White Supremacist group, the same for Ron Paul. Does it mean the candidate themselves beliefs in their particular cause?

True, but the US flag is not necessarily being disrespected. The other flags are not higher than the US flag. The communist flag is just a piece of cloth hangign on a pole. I dont believe it is a flag of another nation so it is not necessarily a sign of disrespect.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on February 13, 2008, 09:51:04 AM

Disrespect or not, doesn't matter. The point is, it's there. It's telling. If Huckabee had a Swastika flag in one of his campaign offices, the media would go apeshit, and rightly so. And we would all be in the right for wondering just exactly what Huckabee believes.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 13, 2008, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:49:12 AM

To quote James Fitzer:

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Look man... I'm not here to debate with you. I just find it laughable how you jump into threads to stir up trouble. Your pseudo-intellectual verbal vomitus isn't impressive, and I'm getting tired of reading somewhat interesting threads only to have a complete "WTF" moment when I reach your post.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Strings on February 13, 2008, 11:03:05 AM

>Vote for Che.......he's dead.......<

Paging Bogie, we've got a new bumper sticker!

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: James Fitzer on February 13, 2008, 11:18:18 AM

I feel honored someone is including my rant in a sig line :-D

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Scout26 on February 13, 2008, 11:36:31 AM

Yep, Tecumseh has stepped up his campaign to replace Fistful.....

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fistful, I could never get mad at you - you are very important to this board. We need a scapegoat, and well, you're it. - ex-ma hole

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 13, 2008, 12:03:56 PM

Quote from: James Fitzer on February 13, 2008, 10:18:18 AM

I feel honored someone is including my rant in a sig line :-D

I read his post and all I could say was....you guessed it. grin

I couldn't have said it any better than you did Fitz.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 13, 2008, 12:58:31 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 07:15:28 AM

Well Andrew Jackson had murdered more people in office than that while in office. And he was re-elected!!!

Please find examples where Jackson would personally shoot tied prisoners in the back of the head. Comrade Che was famous for that.

The reality is that Che is a mistaken symbol of nonconformism and progressive change to modern and past misinformed youth, especially with his wild hair, latin looks, and nonchalant beret. But, the real Che was nothing but a cruel, violent authoritarian, who was far to the left of Fidel. He was a mixture of Stalin and Dzerjinskii and would have turned Cuba into a GULag if Fidel had let him. Che chose to live a life of violence and ended up exactly the way he deserved. It was fitting that he was executed in a manner similar to the one he himself had employed in numerous occasions.

Frankly, any youth with a Che shirt or an aging youth with a Che decal on their SUV are telling me that they either are murderous leftist maniacs or just misinformed dumbasses. I am usually generous and give them the benefit of doubt by assuming the latter.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: charby on February 13, 2008, 01:21:38 PM

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 13, 2008, 02:24:01 PM

Quote from: scout26 on February 13, 2008, 10:36:31 AM

Yep, Tecumseh has stepped up his campaign to replace Fistful.....

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fistful, I could never get mad at you - you are very important to this board. We need a scapegoat, and well, you're it. - ex-ma hole

Tecumseh doesn't have the cojones to take the amount of blame that fistful can......

....and I can understand fistful's avatar......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 13, 2008, 02:26:59 PM

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Scout26 on February 13, 2008, 03:05:32 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh

I dont believe it is a flag of another nation so it is not necessarily a sign of disrespect.

Looks like a Cuban flag with Che superimposed, and it's to the Right of the US Flag, therefore holding the "Place of Honour".

Also there are not just one Cuban "Che" Flags in the office but two.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: De Selby on February 13, 2008, 05:43:55 PM

Quote from: dasmi on February 13, 2008, 08:51:04 AM

I don't think Che was a good guy, but there is simply no comparison between what the Nazis did and what Che did. Totally different scale of misery and evil, and I think the popular reactions to Che tshirts versus Swastikas rightly reflect that.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Balog on February 13, 2008, 06:11:02 PM

Quote from: shootinstudent on February 13, 2008, 04:43:55 PM

Quote from: dasmi on February 13, 2008, 08:51:04 AM

Well, Che wasn't as successful as Hitler. But then Hitler wasn't as successful as Stalin and Mao ie communists. So by your logic pro communist stuff should in fact be worse than pro nazi stuff, right?

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on February 13, 2008, 06:25:04 PM

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Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Strings on February 13, 2008, 07:49:34 PM

Oh man, Bogie... I SO need a couple of those!

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Paddy on February 13, 2008, 08:23:28 PM

So what's anybody gonna do about it? If Obama gets the Dem nomination, he'll probably get elected as POTUS. The best the idiot Republicans can do is that weird old coot McCain. Nobody wants his tired old ass in the Whitehouse.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: De Selby on February 13, 2008, 09:44:53 PM

Quote from: Balog on February 13, 2008, 05:11:02 PM

Quote from: shootinstudent on February 13, 2008, 04:43:55 PM

Quote from: dasmi on February 13, 2008, 08:51:04 AM

Uh, no-as far as I'm aware, the Communists (even the rabid anti-semites like Stalin) didn't engineer a system for exterminating a whole race of people just because that race was called "Jewish."

That's a level of evil that is without parallel-pogroms and racism are one thing; actually setting up state infrastructure to engineer exterimnation, including calculations as to the precise killing rate needed for "a final solution", is something entirely more sinister.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 13, 2008, 10:14:05 PM

Quote from: shootinstudent on February 13, 2008, 08:44:53 PM

Which methods or motivations are more reprehensible are a matter of subjective judgment. The stark numbers of the victims are not. In that regard, communism beats the pants out of nazism hands down.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Regolith on February 13, 2008, 10:17:44 PM

Quote from: shootinstudent on February 13, 2008, 08:44:53 PM

No, they just set up gulags to execute dissidents (a large number of which were Jews), harsh labor camps, engineered mass famine, etc etc etc. Mao Zedong and Stalin's mass murders make the Holocaust look like a speed bump.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: BridgeWalker on February 14, 2008, 12:17:38 AM

Quote from: shootinstudent on February 13, 2008, 08:44:53 PM

Wait, so the murder of ten million people is less reprehensible somehow because the Russians were less focused on the *math*?!?!

Why are we talking about this again? Color me confused. Murder bad. Che bad. Ideologies that believe in mass murder as a means of achieving social engineering also bad. People who subscribe to such ideologies? Bad.

Personally, I'm about equally averse to being murdered for being a Jew and being murdered for belonging to the wrong party.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Declaration Day on February 14, 2008, 02:15:15 AM

http://www.che-mart.com/

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: LAK on February 14, 2008, 02:39:33 AM

If enough people hadn't been gelded and joined Joe McCarthy we wouldn't be watching our nation headed towards the ideological, cultural and economic shipwreck that lies ahead.

As painful as it might be, it might be a case of watching it sink to the bottom and building another from scratch.

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Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Ben on February 14, 2008, 05:18:27 AM

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Uh, no-as far as I'm aware, the Communists (even the rabid anti-semites like Stalin) didn't engineer a system for exterminating a whole race of people just because that race was called "Jewish."

Okay, now that's just lack of research. Refer to Regolith's post and do some reading. The Nazis were reprehensible, but they were nowhere close to the Soviets and pre-Soviets in number of manufactured deaths. No, they weren't all Jewish. Just insert any number of other ethnicities.

I don't understand this line of thinking. Something similar came up in a topic some months ago, and the left leaning members of the forum were practically defending Eurasian massacres as part of their talking points regarding Nazi atrocities.

Bridgewalker has put this in simple to understand terms: Murder bad. What I find reprehensible is people semi-defending Che because, "Hey, he only killed a few thousand people".

Stalin=bad
Hitler=bad
Guevara=bad
Murder=bad

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: BridgeWalker on February 14, 2008, 05:23:18 AM

Quote from: Declaration Day on February 14, 2008, 01:15:15 AM

http://www.che-mart.com/

heheheh. Some local undegrad (I live in the backyard of Michigan State University) actually drives around with two bumper stickers on his car: Free Tibet, and Che. Huh?

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: K Frame on February 14, 2008, 05:41:53 AM

You know, I'd LOVE a free Tibet.

But I just don't know where I'd keep it.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 05:52:35 AM

Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 14, 2008, 04:41:53 AM

You know, I'd LOVE a free Tibet.

But I just don't know where I'd keep it.

You can have the rest, I just want this fortress that's there.

Lots of storage space!

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: K Frame on February 14, 2008, 05:56:26 AM

I wonder if you could heat that place with solar power? laugh

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: roo_ster on February 14, 2008, 06:07:38 AM

Quote from: BridgeWalker on February 14, 2008, 04:23:18 AM

Quote from: Declaration Day on February 14, 2008, 01:15:15 AM

http://www.che-mart.com/

heheheh. Some local undegrad (I live in the backyard of Michigan State University) actually drives around with two bumper stickers on his car: Free Tibet, and Che. Huh?

He ought to replace them with one that states, "I Don't Know *expletive deleted*it From Shinola."

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 06:13:36 AM

Quote from: jfruser on February 14, 2008, 05:07:38 AM

Quote from: BridgeWalker on February 14, 2008, 04:23:18 AM

Quote from: Declaration Day on February 14, 2008, 01:15:15 AM

http://www.che-mart.com/

heheheh. Some local undegrad (I live in the backyard of Michigan State University) actually drives around with two bumper stickers on his car: Free Tibet, and Che. Huh?

He ought to replace them with one that states, "I Don't Know *expletive deleted*it From Shinola."

Reminds me of one of the best web intro pages, that Shynola.com used to have. Company was and still is a typical media fluff bunch in the UK, but the intro was amusing. They also did the "Junior Senior" video that looked like 2600 graphics.

To enter, you need to pick the right one to prove you know one from the other.

http://web.archive.org/web/20051125073421/http://www.shynola.com/

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 14, 2008, 07:03:19 AM

Quote from: Bogie on February 13, 2008, 01:26:59 PM

!!!!!Bravo!!!!! grin

Quote from: shootinstudent on February 13, 2008, 04:43:55 PM

Being shot by the Gestapo or being shot by a Revolutionista.......dead is dead......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 07:33:57 AM

So would you rather Obama have a poster with Cho of VT fame, or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy then Che? Because they certainly killed less people than him, and would excel at representing his policies right? Oh wait, I guess crazy serial killing isn't necesarily one of Obama's policies, so that wouldn't really make sense. You can say that "Nazis support Huckabee and Paul" which may or may not be true, but it doesn't really matter. Because I am SURE there are unnafiliated rapists, pedophiles, gangbangers, robbers, torturers, and murderers who very much support Obama, because he is going to enact policies that benefit them. But since they don't associate themselves with the "great evil" then they are harmless right? We are not talking about who supports who here, we are talking about how he is publicly displaying what he believes is important.

But then the question remains: Why does he have a communist flag with a picture of Che on it? Does he like communism? Does he like killing certain people for disagreeing with hsi political stance? Does he just respect tyrants and dictators? Or (this is the most likely) is he just to stupid to understand what it actually means? The only answer is that he is not an American that I would want representing the interests of the whole country. It is extremely UNAMERICAN.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 07:35:28 AM

Quote from: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 06:33:57 AM

Oh wait, I guess crazy serial killing isn't necesarily one of Obama's policies, so that wouldn't really make sense.

Indirectly, it actually is. He wants a national ban on concealed carry, giving serial killers a target-rich environment with no possibility of good guys fighting back.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 14, 2008, 08:14:39 AM

Quote from: scout26 on February 13, 2008, 02:05:32 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh

I dont believe it is a flag of another nation so it is not necessarily a sign of disrespect.

Looks like a Cuban flag with Che superimposed, and it's to the Right of the US Flag, therefore holding the "Place of Honour".

Also there are not just one Cuban "Che" Flags in the office but two.

I only see one.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 14, 2008, 08:57:32 AM

There's some other pictures.

Guys, his major campaign is pretty darn fluffy. He's advocating "change." And not saying where it's going. And to today's 20 year old kiddy, Che, change, what's the difference?

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 09:12:02 AM

Quote

ndirectly, it actually is. He wants a national ban on concealed carry, giving serial killers a target-rich environment with no possibility of good guys fighting back.

Untrue. Once he bans all guns in the US, then serial killlers won't be allowed to have them either. Of course, I would think banning murder should be the first step, but to each his own.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 14, 2008, 10:02:44 AM

Yeah, in THEORY criminals won't have them. But we all know about theory, at least those of us who are out in the real world.

And as far as a gunless culture? No thanks. Why? Because I'm old and fat and haven't dedicated my life to learning unarmed martial arts combat skills, so that when some idiotic 20 year old nutjob comes after me with a baseball bat, doc martens, and a half dozen of his buddies, I wanna be able to actually do something other than die.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on February 14, 2008, 10:04:56 AM

Quote from: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 08:12:02 AM

Quote

ndirectly, it actually is. He wants a national ban on concealed carry, giving serial killers a target-rich environment with no possibility of good guys fighting back.

Untrue. Once he bans all guns in the US, then serial killlers won't be allowed to have them either. Of course, I would think banning murder should be the first step, but to each his own.

You're kidding, right? what if guns were banned right this second...ready...BAN!
OK, I've still got my guns. Here come the cops to collect them. I probably give them up. Criminals wouldn't. How can you make the millions upon millions of guns in the US just vanish? Insanity I tell you. Insanity.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: BridgeWalker on February 14, 2008, 10:09:38 AM

Quote from: dasmi on February 14, 2008, 09:04:56 AM

. How can you make the millions upon millions of guns in the US just vanish?

You clearly do not understand the power of positive thought. Shame on you! cheesy

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 10:18:02 AM

Quote from: Bogie on February 14, 2008, 09:02:44 AM

I prefer having the Doc Martens and a gun. cheesy

(Though since Docs started being made in China in about 2003, TUK has become the asskicking boot that won't fall apart. All my UK-made Docs are still solid, though!)

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 10:44:04 AM

Sorry, I guess I forgot to add the </sarcasm> tag. And I have always like Demonoid over Docs. More intersting styles, and they have freaking screws holding the soles on.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on February 14, 2008, 10:45:00 AM

Phew, thank god. I thought my brain was going to melt.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 14, 2008, 11:19:15 AM

Hey, any of you guys get your stickers yet?

If y'all are serious about the Che stickers, 3 for $5, and paypal bogie@posterprep.com

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 14, 2008, 01:41:12 PM

Quote from: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 06:35:28 AM

Quote from: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 06:33:57 AM

Oh wait, I guess crazy serial killing isn't necesarily one of Obama's policies, so that wouldn't really make sense.

Indirectly, it actually is. He wants a national ban on concealed carry, giving serial killers a target-rich environment with no possibility of good guys fighting back.

I could bring up at least one other, more direct, serial-killing policy in his platform, but I don't want to derail the thread.

Quote from: BenW on February 14, 2008, 04:18:27 AM

Stalin=bad
Hitler=bad
Guevara=bad
Murder=bad

So what am I? Chopped liver? You guys don't hate me like you used to. sad

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Strings on February 14, 2008, 04:14:10 PM

HIJACK

Ok... Google shows up NOTHING for Demonoid boots. Anyone have a link?

/HIJACK

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 05:36:33 PM

ANOTHER HIJACK

ACK! I'm sorry, I meant http://www.demonia.co.uk/.

/ANOTHER HIJACK

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Strings on February 14, 2008, 06:31:38 PM

ok, nevermind. I already have a set of stilts, thanks!

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 14, 2008, 06:41:01 PM

So, that's where Gene shops...

Personally, I'm pretty sure that my old Corcoran jump boots are probably a great deal more comfy...

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 06:49:51 PM

Quote from: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 04:36:33 PM

ANOTHER HIJACK

ACK! I'm sorry, I meant http://www.demonia.co.uk/.

/ANOTHER HIJACK

No steel toe. You can't have asskicking boots if they're not steeltoed.

I just dread my 2000-model Docs eventually wearing out. They're conventional eight-eyelet, steeltoed, 1" sole, made in the UK, proofed against "water, oil and acid", and the most comfortable shoes I've ever worn at any time. Real mechanic's boots. They don't make them anymore, all made in China, and the new ones are badly glued crap that comes apart.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 14, 2008, 10:38:49 PM

Should I print any of the things, or not? May do a dozen for Knob Creek, but I suspect that a few of the sub-100 IQ folks might try to lynch me.

Definitely going to do a Zero Wing sticker tho...

Also, just got a button machine - you know, those pin-on things? Right now I can run 2.25" diameter pins, and I've got a 1" dealie on the way.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 15, 2008, 01:15:02 AM

Quote from: fistful on February 14, 2008, 12:41:12 PM

Quote from: BenW on February 14, 2008, 04:18:27 AM

Stalin=bad
Hitler=bad
Guevara=bad
Murder=bad

So what am I? Chopped liver? You guys don't hate me like you used to. sad

Well, maybe if you were dead......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Ben on February 15, 2008, 05:08:51 AM

Yeah, if Fistful wants to get on the list, he's gotta try a lot harder. He's really been a slacker lately.....

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: keeleon on February 15, 2008, 08:31:20 AM

Quote

No steel toe. You can't have asskicking boots if they're not steeltoed.

Hmm, mine have steel toes. Maybe they just make that one anymore. Besides, what kind of a Nazi/Skinhead/Republican are you for needing ass kicking boots?!?

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 15, 2008, 06:00:54 PM

Quote from: keeleon on February 15, 2008, 07:31:20 AM

Quote

No steel toe. You can't have asskicking boots if they're not steeltoed.

Hmm, mine have steel toes. Maybe they just make that one anymore. Besides, what kind of a Nazi/Skinhead/Republican are you for needing ass kicking boots?!?

Traditional cowboy boots are the best for ass kicking because the pointed toe can wedge between the glutes and deliver a lot of force to a small point.....

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 06:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 15, 2008, 07:26:21 PM

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 05:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

You don't know how badly I needed that. undecided

I was thinking about that thread the other day. Another analogy is (I know it's useless, but...) your girlfriend is coming over to your apartment for the first time. But don't clean up, because it wouldn't be right to do something just to look good. But the answer would be something totally beside the point, like "The nature of Mr. Paul's arrangement with his girlfriend is private, blah, blah, blah."

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 16, 2008, 02:49:30 PM

Quote from: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 05:49:51 PM

Quote from: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 04:36:33 PM

ANOTHER HIJACK

ACK! I'm sorry, I meant http://www.demonia.co.uk/.

/ANOTHER HIJACK

That is capitalism and globalism for you.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: freakazoid on February 16, 2008, 04:25:05 PM

Quote

Mao Zedong and Stalin's mass murders make the Holocaust look like a speed bump.

Since when did they = communism?

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Manedwolf on February 16, 2008, 06:12:56 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 16, 2008, 01:49:30 PM

Quote from: Manedwolf on February 14, 2008, 05:49:51 PM

Quote from: keeleon on February 14, 2008, 04:36:33 PM

ANOTHER HIJACK

ACK! I'm sorry, I meant http://www.demonia.co.uk/.

/ANOTHER HIJACK

That is capitalism and globalism for you.

No, it's poor decision making. They're losing customers.

They can either learn or fail. Dell moved all customer service to India, people got tired of hearing scripted "Hello, I am being John Smith, I am sorry, that is being a software problem", and they moved it back stateside.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Regolith on February 16, 2008, 08:58:43 PM

Quote from: freakazoid on February 16, 2008, 03:25:05 PM

Quote

Mao Zedong and Stalin's mass murders make the Holocaust look like a speed bump.

Since when did they = communism?

Since they called themselves that?

(note: You're treading into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy) Wink

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: roo_ster on February 17, 2008, 06:54:06 AM

Quote from: Regolith on February 16, 2008, 07:58:43 PM

Quote from: freakazoid on February 16, 2008, 03:25:05 PM

Quote

Mao Zedong and Stalin's mass murders make the Holocaust look like a speed bump.

Since when did they = communism?

Since they called themselves that?

(note: You're treading into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy) Wink

Which is a close cousin to the "no true atheist" fallacy. laugh

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 17, 2008, 07:15:41 AM

How about the No True Libertarian fallacy?

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 05:46:05 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 05:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

You are making the assumption that he knows they have it in the office.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 18, 2008, 06:12:29 AM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 04:46:05 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 05:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

You are making the assumption that he knows they have it in the office.

Doesn't he read APS?.......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Bogie on February 18, 2008, 06:36:24 AM

Regardless, you'd think that SOMEONE is running the show in general, and has a mind toward general public opinion. And that person OBVIOUSLY thinks that Che is a plus. Probably is with some kids.

BTW, I'm doing a run of "No Che" (the circle/slash thingie over the face...) 2.25" buttons for Knob Creek...

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Regolith on February 18, 2008, 02:18:05 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 04:46:05 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 05:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

You are making the assumption that he knows they have it in the office.

He found out about it.

Two days after being informed about it he called it "inappropriate" rolleyes

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/17/what_would_jfk_do/

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 18, 2008, 04:39:07 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 04:46:05 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 05:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

You are making the assumption that he knows they have it in the office.

No, I was making the assumption you would get the joke. grin

Fistful can explain it to ya. angel

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 18, 2008, 08:07:47 PM

Tecumseh:

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=10213.0

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 09:22:34 PM

Quote from: Regolith on February 18, 2008, 01:18:05 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 04:46:05 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 05:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

You are making the assumption that he knows they have it in the office.

He found out about it.

Two days after being informed about it he called it "inappropriate" rolleyes

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/17/what_would_jfk_do/

There you go.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 19, 2008, 02:31:59 AM

Quote from: fistful on February 18, 2008, 07:07:47 PM

Tecumseh:

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=10213.0

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Regolith on February 19, 2008, 06:02:32 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 08:22:34 PM

Quote from: Regolith on February 18, 2008, 01:18:05 PM

Quote from: Tecumseh on February 18, 2008, 04:46:05 AM

Quote from: Sergeant Bob on February 15, 2008, 05:53:13 PM

If Obama doesn't make them take down the Che flag, it just shows he has a lot of integrity because he's not worried about what people think of him and shows that he is his own man. rolleyes

You are making the assumption that he knows they have it in the office.

He found out about it.

Two days after being informed about it he called it "inappropriate" rolleyes

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/17/what_would_jfk_do/

There you go.

Calling it "innapropriate" is a bit of a limp wristed response. And the fact it took two days for him to do it is telling. Can you imagine what would have happened had the flags had an image of Heinrich Himmler on them? He'd have distanced himself from those as fast as he could. But Che is *only* a communist murdering thug. So its not *THAT* bad. rolleyes

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 20, 2008, 07:07:21 AM

Quote

Calling it "innapropriate" is a bit of a limp wristed response. And the fact it took two days for him to do it is telling. Can you imagine what would have happened had the flags had an image of Heinrich Himmler on them? He'd have distanced himself from those as fast as he could. But Che is *only* a ~~communist murdering thug~~ symbol of the oppressed workers of the world, a freedom fighter, and an inspiration to thinking people everywhere! So its not *THAT* bad.

You know that's what you meant to say, comrade! Get on board!
Obama is the best thing since sliced bread! Look at that pretty smile! Listen to those smartly delivered words! And there's hope, change and peace a'commin'!!

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Ben on February 20, 2008, 07:55:03 AM

I'm hoping for change, and changing for hope. I sure hope there will be change. You know... change will bring hope. I sure like hope. Change is cool too.

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 20, 2008, 02:03:22 PM

Quote from: BenW on February 20, 2008, 06:55:03 AM

I'm hoping for change, and changing for hope. I sure hope there will be change. You know... change will bring hope. I sure like hope. Change is cool too.

...especially when it comes to underwear......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 20, 2008, 02:11:17 PM

Quote

...especially when it comes to underwear......

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: seeker_two on February 20, 2008, 02:35:02 PM

Quote from: fistful on February 20, 2008, 01:11:17 PM

Quote

...especially when it comes to underwear......

That pic's just a little too close for comfort...... shocked

Title: Re: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
Post by: beatnik on February 21, 2008, 07:41:38 AM

Quote from: El Tejon on February 13, 2008, 08:36:11 AM

Not all of Obama's supporters are communists. I would say 12 to 15% are merely socialists. grin

And I'd say that close to 100% can't tell the difference.

Armed Polite Society

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