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This is what I saw. Long. And it says SO much, doesn't it?
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Post by: johnster999 on March 18, 2008, 08:17:10 AM
chants the blankeyed horde
as they march on in one accord.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on March 18, 2008, 12:52:31 PM
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 20, 2008, 12:49:56 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2008, 02:07:27 AM
Why should the Wright issue merit a serious response from anyone?
Um, because it is very damning of a certain presidential candidate. No?
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 20, 2008, 02:18:54 AM
Why should the Wright issue merit a serious response from anyone?
Um, because it is very damning of a certain presidential candidate. No?
I would think his actual positions on the issues are far more 'damning'.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2008, 02:35:31 AM
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Post by: grampster on March 20, 2008, 04:23:34 AM
SARCASM Obama: "Oh gosh I've been caught. Yes I hate America and whitey needs to die. But I have the audacity of hoping that I can change America and put all them troublesome whites in concentration camps along with those vile Jews and Catholics. Vote for me and no one will have to work again 'cause we'll have a white slave in every household." END OF SARCASM
I think actions speak louder than words. It's what a man does rather than what he says is important. Let us see. Are there any other historical leaders who mesmerized the sheep with oratory? Hmmmmmm?
A fellow named George Romney merely mentioned that he'd been "brainwashed" speaking about Eastern Europe, (just a poor choice of words, actually) and found him being crucified by the media in no uncertain terms. He was finished as a presidential candidate. We've come a long way since then. The liberal statist revisionist history pap that has passed for education in our government schools is starting to become evident judging from what you see in some of our youth and young adults.
The state of todays media is painfully obvious regarding the Obama thing. Mainstream media makes excuses for Obama and the alternate media universe at least hammers on the subject. But notably, even they don't really challenge Obama. Just about every talking head prefaces the description of Obama's pastor and other radicals by saying: (paraphrased) 'Of course we don't think Obama thinks this way but....'
Post by: johnster999 on March 20, 2008, 05:42:52 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 20, 2008, 05:48:49 AM
They really ARE trying to fracture the country on race lines again.
Post by: Paddy on March 20, 2008, 06:26:49 AM
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The importance of his friendship with Wright and other radical haters, is that knowing that, how can you tell what Obama believes. Why would you expect him to tell the truth about what his views are? Given his associates and their stated preferences?
C'mon grampster you're smarter than this. I'm surprised at you; this is the same hysterical fear mongerging crap that sleaze Hannity was parroting yesterday.
Change the station. Please.
Post by: HankB on March 20, 2008, 06:46:00 AM
Twenty years . . . and they had NO idea about the real Wright . . . the one he showed in public ONLY when the Obamas weren't there.
And NOBODY . . . in twenty years . . . breathed a word of it to them.
Yeah.
Right.
Seems only the "true believers" and the American media believes this load of . . .
Post by: grampster on March 20, 2008, 07:20:16 AM
I very rarely listen to, or watch Hannity. He's a bit boring because he keeps repeating the same mantra over and over and over and over ad nauseum.
But I do remember what my parents taught me when I was young. "You will be known by the company your keep." I did hang out with some kids that did not meet the approval of my parents. Some were not as my parents thought they were. Some were. Most were. Some of my actions were influenced by that company. And I did find out that I was, in fact judged by the company I kept. I suffered accusation and general painting by the same brush by Authority, from time to time. Sometimes wrongly and sometimes spot on. The short of it was that my parents judgment was mostly correct as I found myself doing things that got me in trouble because of who I was hanging with. The little voice of counsel that I got from my parents kept me from serious error and over a long period of time I managed to find my way.
The point of the dissection of Obama and the company he keeps, is to be better able to make decisions that may have far reaching consequences. My own view is that from my experience in life, a person's word is reinforced by his actions. We know very little about his actions. What little we know about Obama is that he appears to be, on the surface, a classical statist firmly on the far left. The company he keeps, the mentors that he has associated with are windows to his beliefs.
Post by: keeleon on March 20, 2008, 07:29:08 AM
Sorry, I had to. What bothers me most about people like this reverend, is the amount of hypocrisy they are spewing. I can understand that you might be upset about things that (while not affecting you in ANY negative way) happened 200 years ago, how does further segregating your "culture" help to make things better? If you are so mad about how whitey has treated the black community, why are you furthering the seperation between the two cultures? Why do you have a "black church", whose main point is to preach about the evils of the white man and modern society to the black man. this is why MArtin Luther King was a true hero. He didn't point out the differences, and say "we've been oppressed, now is OUR time to shine", he said, "hey, we're not really that different, can't we just all be equal?".
Here's a question. What if the same exact thing was happening on the opposite side? What if Mccain went to a church whose reverend would constantly preach about the downfall of society caused by the black criminals in our ghettos. What if he preached the same racism only in reverse? Then when Mccain came out and said, while he really respects the man, he doesn't agree with him, what would your opinion be?
Post by: grampster on March 20, 2008, 08:04:15 AM
But, there are some who do not and will not. Sadly those voices of division sometimes come from those people one would expect to not espouse that division.
Probably because there is money, power and notoriety in that behavior. I wonder what goes through the head of Mr. Wright at the present time. I would suppose he believes his warped views about race and the American experience is being vindicated because his beliefs are being challenged. One wonders if he really believes what he says, or merely uses it to edify himself.
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on March 20, 2008, 08:16:04 AM
Post by: Tecumseh on March 20, 2008, 08:16:52 AM
The importance of his friendship with Wright and other radical haters, is that knowing that, how can you tell what Obama believes. Why would you expect him to tell the truth about what his views are? Given his associates and their stated preferences?
By that logic Bush is an Islamofascist as his family has ties to Bin Ladens family. His family is friends with them. Why would you expect him to tell the truth about whathis views are? Given his associates and their stated preferences?
Post by: Paddy on March 20, 2008, 09:56:03 AM
Republicans are stuck with a tired, ill-tempered old man to sell to the American people.l A GWB clone no less, and the vast majority of us are sick of Bush.
If Republicans continue down the path of a nasty negative agenda, their defeat come November will be stunning.
Post by: HankB on March 20, 2008, 11:04:42 AM
Republicans are stuck with a tired, ill-tempered old man to sell to the American people.l A GWB clone no less, and the vast majority of us are sick of Bush.
You know, if you look at the postings on forums like APS, TFL, THR, etc., you may just discover that there's not a whole lot of enthusiam for the GOP's apparent nominee. (Or, for that matter, for GWB himself.) <we need a barf smiley>In fact, I believe "None of the Above" would win a clear majority on these forums were it offered as a choice on the November ballot.
Nonetheless, BHO's long term association with a person of the ilk of Wright, his wife's comments, his support for driver's licenses for illegals and spending $845,000,000,000 to fight "global poverty" strongly suggests there is a greater evil in this race. His association with someone as despicable and hate-filled as Wright just helps to add a few more brush strokes to the painting of his character . . .
And it's not a pretty sight.
Post by: grampster on March 20, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
I never knew you were a mindreader. All I ever thought you were was a crabby old fart that wore his pants way high and too tight.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2008, 01:04:30 PM
Mmm, between 'Friend who hates America' and 'policies that'll injure and harm America's safety and the freedom of her citizens', what's more 'damning'?
Friend who hates America? No, it means a lot more than that, and you know it does. He has claimed this man as an adviser and friend. And religious leader. For twenty years. When you associate with any group for that long, it means something. I should tell you some of my pastor's teachings, and some of his more radical statements. Then you can feel free to dismiss that as if it told no tale about me. But that would be naive.
This tells us just as much about his character and his politics as any platform or speech, or any statement he might make in an interview or debate.
Post by: Paddy on March 20, 2008, 06:30:37 PM
Riley,
I never knew you were a mindreader. All I ever thought you were was a crabby old fart that wore his pants way high and too tight.
I never knew you were a mindreader. All I ever thought you were was a crabby old fart that wore his pants way high and too tight.
Ya learn something everyday, dontcha? And you're older than I am.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2008, 07:56:12 PM
Post by: Dntsycnt on March 21, 2008, 04:17:03 AM
I haven't. I was thinking of reading it just to see if he actually conveys in any way what his positions are and how he would run things, or if it's just a bunch of emotional I'm-a-good-guy-and-together-we-can-change BS.
Post by: grampster on March 21, 2008, 04:32:19 AM
The fun thing about being my age is that I can have so much fun baiting you whippersnappers.
Post by: Glock Glockler on March 21, 2008, 07:48:15 AM
Bush doesn't regularly attend religous services that proclaim a Jihadi worldview, Obama, OTOH, has been a member of this "church" for a long time, he has said that Wright is a "spiritual mentor" whom he 'doesn't make an important decision without consulting", and has performed his marraige ceremony.
let's now take a look at Pastor Wright on the Hannity & Colmes show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTGRL0OJWQ
In the clip Pastor Wright eventually just starts trying to speak over Hannity saying that if he isn't familiar with "Black Liberation Theology" as espoused by James Cone, then there is no point in talking.
So taking the next logical step let's do what the news media hasn't bothered too. Let's look at what James Cone has to actually say. Let's look at what the fundamental systematic basis of Barack Obama's claimned church actually involves.
Here's a direct quote:
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
-- James Cone, a distinguished professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary, cited by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright on the TUCC website as the man who "systematized" Wright's theological system, known as Black Liberation theology.
I have to hand it to Pastor Wright... He was correct... I couldn't truly understand where he was coming from... until I read that. I think I have a pretty darn good idea now.
So tell me, Tecumseh, are you deliberately obtuse or is it simply some kind of Pavlovian thing that occurs whenever an opportunity to bash Christians presents itself?
Post by: Scout26 on March 21, 2008, 08:15:47 AM
Sieg Heil !!
Sieg Heil !!
Oooops...... wrong democrat candidate.
Long Live the Revolution !!
Power to the People !!
Che Show Us the Way !!
There.......much better.....
It's also nice to see that Tecumseh didn't learn anything during his timeout.
Think twice, post once......
Post by: roo_ster on March 21, 2008, 09:07:15 AM
When it comes to people, my big three criteria are actions, associates, and words (in decreasing weight).
Actions
BHO is very light here. He has had no real job that I know of.
Before he was elected to the Illinois legislature, he was a "community activist." Essentially, he chased government grants and tried to convince other citizens and organizations to give him money.
He wrote a book where he mooned on about the horrifying effects of being raised by a white woman in upper-middle class status. The horror.
IOW, his resume is thin to the point that he would have to pad it with his GPA and elected school positions were he to try to get gainful employment.
Associates
Since he has done, essentially, bupkis, the next stop on the judgment jaunt is those he associates with.
This is the only one of the three criteria that has much content. Unless one is a hermit, that will be the case.
His wife is a whiny lawyer who constantly prattles on about how expensive their Ivy League educations were and how burdensome it was to pay off the loans. All the while they live in a multi-million dollar house in Chi-town and she brings home $300K+ worth of bacon. Just how can she manage?
His minister of 20 years, the man who inspired one of his books, is a nasty, America-hating POS. He hangs out with scumbag dictators and is a racist bastard.
Note that neither of the above is blood family. Both were folks BHO has chosen to associate with. Wright is not "some crazy uncle." If he was, it would be of lesser import, as the relationship would be involuntary.
Words
He can put words together in a way that tickles one's ear. The problem is, his words are not burdened with content.
To call BHO an emty suit is an insult to empty suits, who likely disavow the hate-America crowd and racist scum.
Post by: roo_ster on March 21, 2008, 09:22:11 AM
Quote from: GlockGlocker
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
-- James Cone, a distinguished professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary, cited by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright on the TUCC website as the man who "systematized" Wright's theological system, known as Black Liberation theology.
-- James Cone, a distinguished professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary, cited by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright on the TUCC website as the man who "systematized" Wright's theological system, known as Black Liberation theology.
Sweet!
A negative image of white Christian Identity nuttery.
Post by: grampster on March 21, 2008, 09:57:14 AM
The importance of his friendship with Wright and other radical haters, is that knowing that, how can you tell what Obama believes. Why would you expect him to tell the truth about what his views are? Given his associates and their stated preferences?
By that logic Bush is an Islamofascist as his family has ties to Bin Ladens family. His family is friends with them. Why would you expect him to tell the truth about whathis views are? Given his associates and their stated preferences?To say that your comparison is illogical would be doing a disservice to the definition of the word. Obama said he'd not throw his mentor under the bus (paraphrased) and George W. Bush has been trying to kill Bin Laden. There does not seem to be much in the way of equivalency.
Post by: French G. on March 21, 2008, 06:00:34 PM
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I haven't. I was thinking of reading it just to see if he actually conveys in any way what his positions are and how he would run things, or if it's just a bunch of emotional I'm-a-good-guy-and-together-we-can-change BS.
I skimmed the book in the store without funding the guy. His book is as empty as his suit, stuffed full of hope, change, and glittering generalities.