Post by: James Fitzer on March 18, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
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Thirty-one states along with groups like the powerful National Rifle Association -- a gun rights lobby group -- support the gun owners. A handful of states such as Maryland, Massachusetts, Chicago, and San Francisco support Washington.
God bless the state of san francisco
Anyone see this turning out in our favor?
Post by: Remington788 on March 18, 2008, 09:40:30 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 18, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
I always tell people that Chicago should become the 51st state. Solve alot of Illinois problems.
Why not just saw it off and float it over to Canada?
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 18, 2008, 11:27:55 AM
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Anyone see this turning out in our favor?
That's my hope; my fear is that government will once again look after the interests of government to the exclusion of ours.
Post by: grampster on March 18, 2008, 11:29:23 AM
Post by: Remington788 on March 18, 2008, 11:46:58 AM
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Why not just saw it off and float it over to Canada?
Now that's just mean. Better idea, just kick them out altogether.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 18, 2008, 12:22:30 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 18, 2008, 12:27:45 PM
Shouldn't we just nuke it? It is the only way to be sure.
If you launched a missile at Chicago, Daley would just convince it not to explode, that it'd be much happier working with his administration, and it'd end up in some office taking kickbacks and a percentage of the take from shakedowns.
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on March 18, 2008, 12:52:56 PM
Shouldn't we just nuke it? It is the only way to be sure.
If you launched a missile at Chicago, Daley would just convince it not to explode, that it'd be much happier working with his administration, and it'd end up in some office taking kickbacks and a percentage of the take from shakedowns.
Maned, has anyone ever called you cynical???
Not that what you said isn't true though..........
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 18, 2008, 01:00:31 PM
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Maryland, Massachusetts, Chicago, and San Francisco support Washington.
Boy, if that ain't a list of the usual suspects.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 18, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
Shouldn't we just nuke it? It is the only way to be sure.
If you launched a missile at Chicago, Daley would just convince it not to explode, that it'd be much happier working with his administration, and it'd end up in some office taking kickbacks and a percentage of the take from shakedowns.
Maned, has anyone ever called you cynical???
Not that what you said isn't true though..........
I just know some people there, who all say it was less corrupt when Capone ran the place.
Post by: Regolith on March 18, 2008, 04:01:44 PM
When you saw off Chicago and float it to Canada, don't forget to pick up Detroit along the way.
Why tow it all the way over to Canada? That'd cost way too much money, given what diesel is going for.
I propose, instead, we only tow them half way, then scuttle them. Those skyscrapers would make great artificial reefs. Do it for the
Post by: seeker_two on March 18, 2008, 04:09:25 PM
Shouldn't we just nuke it? It is the only way to be sure.
If you launched a missile at Chicago, Daley would just convince it not to explode, that it'd be much happier working with his administration, and it'd end up in some office taking kickbacks and a percentage of the take from shakedowns.
Maned, has anyone ever called you cynical???
Not that what you said isn't true though..........
I just know some people there, who all say it was less corrupt when Capone ran the place.
The same could be said of the US in general....
Post by: S. Williamson on March 19, 2008, 02:19:51 AM
Post by: stevelyn on March 19, 2008, 02:27:10 AM
I always tell people that Chicago should become the 51st state. Solve alot of Illinois problems.
Or a nuclear waste dump.
Post by: LadySmith on March 19, 2008, 02:33:31 AM
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Lawyers for D.C. wrote: "The District of Columbia -- a densely populated urban locality where the violence caused by handguns is well documented -- will be unable to enforce a law that its elected officials have sensibly concluded saves lives."
...followed by facts such as this:
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D.C. reported 143 gun-related murders last year. In 1976, when the handgun ban was enacted, the district's medical examiner said 135
Post by: Werewolf on March 19, 2008, 07:37:43 AM
I suppose that being an optimist is politically correct and all that and hoping that the Heller case will go our way pumps a lot of sunshine up gunnies asses but what y'all are all forgetting is that the court reviewing Heller is the same court that gutted the 5th Amendment with it's latest eminent domain ruling - re: the gov can take away your property and give it to a commercial interest if that interest will pay more taxes than you do.
What makes you think those government loving sods aren't going to do exactly the same thing with Heller.
Those guys have been stealing power from the people and giving it to the gov for years. They're not gonna change now, especially not with a case that has the potential to put the big hurt on all the gun control laws the feds have implemented over the past 70 years.
The best you can hope for is that the decision is so narrowly written that it only impacts DC and no where else.
Bush nominated both Roberts and Alito - the same Bush that loves the Patriot act and wants telecommunications companies to be immune from civil action brought on by their illegal cooperation with the JBT's spying on American Citizens. What makes anyone believe that Roberts and Alito don't think just like Bush - that the constitution is just a piece of paper that makes the proles think they're free and not something that will ever get in the way of what our masters want to do?
[RANT OFF]
Post by: GigaBuist on March 19, 2008, 10:11:32 AM
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What makes you think those government loving sods aren't going to do exactly the same thing with Heller.
Because Kelo was a 5-4 decision with Kennedy siding with the government in that case. It looks like he's siding with Heller on this one.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 19, 2008, 01:42:39 PM
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Bush nominated both Roberts and Alito - the same Bush that loves the Patriot act and wants telecommunications companies to be immune from civil action brought on by their illegal cooperation with the JBT's spying on American Citizens. What makes anyone believe that Roberts and Alito don't think just like Bush
USA PATRIOT? Telecommunications? Eminent domain? And now the DC gun ban? You're talking about a bunch of not-so-related issues, there.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 19, 2008, 02:44:33 PM
Post by: Werewolf on March 19, 2008, 03:46:14 PM
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Bush nominated both Roberts and Alito - the same Bush that loves the Patriot act and wants telecommunications companies to be immune from civil action brought on by their illegal cooperation with the JBT's spying on American Citizens. What makes anyone believe that Roberts and Alito don't think just like Bush
USA PATRIOT? Telecommunications? Eminent domain? And now the DC gun ban? You're talking about a bunch of not-so-related issues, there.
Not really...
They're all issues ndicative of a general mindset that sees nothing wrong and everything right with taking power from the people and putting it into the hands of government. Not a big leap at all.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 19, 2008, 07:05:58 PM
Post by: seeker_two on March 20, 2008, 01:15:41 AM
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Bush nominated both Roberts and Alito - the same Bush that loves the Patriot act and wants telecommunications companies to be immune from civil action brought on by their illegal cooperation with the JBT's spying on American Citizens. What makes anyone believe that Roberts and Alito don't think just like Bush
USA PATRIOT? Telecommunications? Eminent domain? And now the DC gun ban? You're talking about a bunch of not-so-related issues, there.
Search & seizure......speech......property.....RKBA.......nope, nothing there not related to the Bill of Rights.....move along.....
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2008, 02:05:04 AM
See above. It is, sadly, a fact that people pick and choose from the Bill of Rights. The court's position on one or all of those issues is just not an indicator of how they will rule on 2A issues.