Post by: FiveBillionAcres on August 02, 2008, 03:44:03 PM
Post by: yesitsloaded on August 02, 2008, 05:41:04 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 02, 2008, 05:44:58 PM
Bob Barr won't get much media coverage because he's irrelevant.
Post by: yesitsloaded on August 02, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on August 02, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
Post by: FiveBillionAcres on August 02, 2008, 07:59:16 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 02, 2008, 08:02:48 PM
Post by: Lennyjoe on August 03, 2008, 04:02:08 AM
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If you're counting on the media to get the Libertarian anyone other than Obama's message out, you're going to be disappointed
There, fixed it for ya
Post by: Boomhauer on August 03, 2008, 04:18:41 AM
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To my knowledge, there are no real laws for equal time any more. There used to be, but not any longer.
And free speech is the better for it.
And do you really think that the gov't would enforce equal time laws for Big Media? Heck no...they'd only go after Fox News, radio talk shows (Rush et. al.) and internet news sources...
Post by: seeker_two on August 03, 2008, 04:55:42 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
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The Fairness Doctrine was a United States FCC regulation requiring broadcast licensees to present controversial issues of public importance in a manner deemed by the FCC to be honest, equitable, and balanced. The doctrine has since been withdrawn by the FCC, and certain aspects of the doctrine have been questioned by courts.
This is the one the libs want to use to go after conservative talk radio....
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 09:37:00 AM
If you're counting on the media to get the Libertarian message out, you're going to be disappointed.
And this, ladies and gents, is why we need the wookie suits.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 03, 2008, 09:40:07 AM
If you're counting on the media to get the Libertarian message out, you're going to be disappointed.
And this, ladies and gents, is why we need the wookie suits.
If you're counting on wookie suits to get your message out, you're going to be disappointed.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 10:40:11 AM
If you're counting on the media to get the Libertarian message out, you're going to be disappointed.
And this, ladies and gents, is why we need the wookie suits.
If you're counting on wookie suits to get your message out, you're going to be disappointed.
So the media is not going to get my message out and neither will the public schools and neither will the academia.
Alternative media and publicity stunts of all stripes is the way to go.
Post by: RocketMan on August 03, 2008, 11:39:48 AM
Alternative media and publicity stunts of all stripes is the way to go.
And that is precisely why your candidate will be marginalized.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 11:49:25 AM
Alternative media and publicity stunts of all stripes is the way to go.
And that is precisely why your candidate will be marginalized.
"My" candidate?
Have you considered politics is not all about candidates?
Post by: RocketMan on August 03, 2008, 12:37:59 PM
So yes, it will end up being all about the candidate.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 02:04:07 PM
Let us consider this logically.
1.My political views are most easily describe as libertaria naturally, utopia is impossible, but I would like to live in a society that is generally guided by these ideals before I die.
2.Currently, no libertarian candidate is capable of winning any election or primary outside the 22nd Congressional District in Texas and the 10th Congressional District in Georgia. To argue otherwise is blatantly insane.
3.Previously to this election cycle, the only viable policy in the libertarian political arsenal has been to try and inject individual libertarian policies into the public debate, hoping a political party will latch on to them. Vouchers are a great example of this strategy working. This method, however, has a disadvantage of being slow. Really slow. We're talking 'decades and generations'.
4.An alternative to 3, and by no means a replacement, is to utilize those who are more radically minded in the movement to speak out about various issues, hoping that a softer group of more moderate people will grow slowly around them, a lot like how the Progressive movement grew from Socialism and took over America. This, in my mind, should work simultaneously with 3.
Now, it is not possible for libertarians to win elections in this political climates. Therefore, it doesn't harm their chances. They're not being elected anyway. They can't get any more not-elected.
Post by: FiveBillionAcres on August 03, 2008, 04:58:33 PM
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 05:55:03 PM
But that wasn't what I was talking about - sorry for derailing your thread (though of course there are no equal time laws).
Post by: FiveBillionAcres on August 03, 2008, 06:10:11 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on August 03, 2008, 06:12:43 PM
If you're counting on the media to get the Libertarian message out, you're going to be disappointed.
And this, ladies and gents, is why we need the wookie suits.
To make people think you're creepy?
Put it this way. The extent to which the Free Staters and Paulians have creeped people out here now is at the point at which people move away from anyone in a public venue wearing a Ron Paul shirt. Because they think they're a nut and possibly dangerous, or that they're going to babble at them like they have in videos, like a political Moonie. A Ron Paul shirt has become the equivalent of a unabomber beard and unfocused eyes, or a person with a beatific smile trying to tell people about reverend moon. People are disturbed, and move away. Or they do not want to get involved if the Paulian creates a scene, which they often do. They'll act out, yell something, or try to get themselves arrested, and people don't want to be anywhere nearby when that happens.
Good job, there!
Post by: FiveBillionAcres on August 03, 2008, 06:31:37 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 03, 2008, 09:13:24 PM
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 04, 2008, 01:51:30 AM
The libertarian in Georgia's 10th district? When the incumbant is backing the constitution? And reads the bills that come before him, and actually asks his constituants what they want? Any other time, maybe, but it's been too hard to find the good one! We're keeping him, thanks. (Much to the chagrin of the politico's on watch).
By 'the libertarian in GA-10', I of course imply the honorable Paul Broun.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 04, 2008, 02:43:55 AM
I'd say it's quite likely that Barr doesn't actually want people to vote for him as it would increase Obama's chances of winning . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1oCxXLcXNc
I think it is safe to say that Bob Barr could care less about McCain's campaign, and that he isn't holding his breath for McCain to start picking up on conservative values.
While everyone else is fighting over the "Race card" and the media blows it out of proportion, and the bobble-heads are made to believe that they should demand an explanation and apology for every blunderous statement that spews from the mouths of the two frontrunners - *yawn* - the important issues slip through the cracks.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 04, 2008, 05:03:36 AM
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the important issues slip through the cracks.
Or rather, both campaigns, the media, and 'the elite' have a variety of vested interests not to discuss anything of substance.
Post by: yesitsloaded on August 04, 2008, 10:16:03 AM
Post by: Regolith on August 04, 2008, 02:09:07 PM
Let me preface this by saying I probably will end up voting for McCain merely because I don't want "half-black Hitler". I want Barr in it because he would absolutely stomp Obama in the debates on national tv because as said before, he has nothing to lose. McCain can't say some things that Barr can about Obama because he has a chance of actually being elected and thus must play to the middle.
Obama has indicated that he has little interest in debating McCain. What makes you think he will consent to debate with Barr?
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 04, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
Let me preface this by saying I probably will end up voting for McCain merely because I don't want "half-black Hitler". I want Barr in it because he would absolutely stomp Obama in the debates on national tv because as said before, he has nothing to lose. McCain can't say some things that Barr can about Obama because he has a chance of actually being elected and thus must play to the middle.
Obama has indicated that he has little interest in debating McCain. What makes you think he will consent to debate with Barr?
I wonder if he'll change his mind now that McCain has a lead.
Post by: FiveBillionAcres on August 04, 2008, 02:19:27 PM
It all depends on who asked the question, when they asked it (what big news there was in the preceeding 24 hours) and how they worded it.
What's scary is Obama might actually get people out to vote who wouldn't normally vote.
Post by: Regolith on August 04, 2008, 02:20:13 PM
Let me preface this by saying I probably will end up voting for McCain merely because I don't want "half-black Hitler". I want Barr in it because he would absolutely stomp Obama in the debates on national tv because as said before, he has nothing to lose. McCain can't say some things that Barr can about Obama because he has a chance of actually being elected and thus must play to the middle.
Obama has indicated that he has little interest in debating McCain. What makes you think he will consent to debate with Barr?
I wonder if he'll change his mind now that McCain has a lead.
He'll have to debate McCain eventually either way, otherwise he will look weak and probably lose. However, he could blow off Barr without any negative side effects.
Post by: Scout26 on August 04, 2008, 05:18:21 PM
He'll have to debate McCain eventually either way, otherwise he will look weak and probably lose.
The Wizard of Uhh's knows that he'll get creamed in any type of debate. Which is why he's only going to do the 3 minimum LoWV debates. Just look at what happens whenever he strays off the teleprompter speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHEIi4XKRmM&feature=user
I am not Pro-McCain, but I am very Anti-Obama.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 05, 2008, 10:26:46 AM
The libertarian in Georgia's 10th district? When the incumbant is backing the constitution? And reads the bills that come before him, and actually asks his constituants what they want? Any other time, maybe, but it's been too hard to find the good one! We're keeping him, thanks. (Much to the chagrin of the politico's on watch).
By 'the libertarian in GA-10', I of course imply the honorable Paul Broun.
Actully,he's a self proclaimed Constitutionalist; he's just registered as a Republican!
Post by: ilbob on August 05, 2008, 12:18:28 PM
The idea was that a presidential campaign would bring them attention. It has not worked. They need to adjust their plan. I support much of their political ideology, but I have a hard time wasting a vote on a party that is essentially a single race party.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 05, 2008, 06:46:22 PM
The LP made a strategic mistake decades ago when they decided to waste their limited resources on presidential races rather than local races. If they had chosen to go after aldermen, mayors, and state legislators, they could well be considered a serious party today because they would have a solid support base. As it is, they have virtually nothing other than a presidential campaign doomed to failure.
The idea was that a presidential campaign would bring them attention. It has not worked. They need to adjust their plan. I support much of their political ideology, but I have a hard time wasting a vote on a party that is essentially a single race party.
You're exactly right.The idea was that a presidential campaign would bring them attention. It has not worked. They need to adjust their plan. I support much of their political ideology, but I have a hard time wasting a vote on a party that is essentially a single race party.
Political parties are one of the few types of organizations where power flows from the bottom up to the top. The Libertarian Party won't ever amount to anything until they understand that.
I wish they'd hurry up and get a clue. My Republican Party is losing it's bearings, and I'd it be nice to have a viable alternative.