Post by: xavier fremboe on August 29, 2008, 05:26:54 AM
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A Republican source confirms that John McCain has chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate. Campaign officials, however, remain mum this morning.
McCain is expected to announce his choice at a rally in Dayton later.
Palin is the first woman governor of Alaska, elected in 2006. She was also the youngest ever elected at the age of 42. She is the mother of five children, the youngest of whom was born in April and has Down's Syndrome. She ran on a clean government platform in '06 to defeat the incumbent Republican Governor Frank Murkowski.
McCain reportedly considered Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, among others.
Been watching some YouTube, and she seems presentable. Worried Biden will slaughter her in a debate, however.
McCain is expected to announce his choice at a rally in Dayton later.
Palin is the first woman governor of Alaska, elected in 2006. She was also the youngest ever elected at the age of 42. She is the mother of five children, the youngest of whom was born in April and has Down's Syndrome. She ran on a clean government platform in '06 to defeat the incumbent Republican Governor Frank Murkowski.
McCain reportedly considered Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, among others.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 05:30:11 AM
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 05:32:43 AM
Been watching some YouTube, and she seems presentable. Worried Biden will slaughter her in a debate, however.
Maybe, maybe not - its not as if Biden walked the Dem primary debates.
Post by: longeyes on August 29, 2008, 05:33:28 AM
If it's Palin it proves that "Old McCain" is quite the chess player.
Post by: roo_ster on August 29, 2008, 05:35:16 AM
If McCain wins, she would be our first female VPOTUS and likely our first female POTUS.
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 29, 2008, 05:37:32 AM
Palin seems to have some pretty good credibility. Definitely pro-life (which is not even in my top 10 issues, but is important to the base), a reformer, etc. We'll see what comes of it. Bill Kristol has been floating her name for at least three months.
*edited Kristol time frame from six months to three*
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 29, 2008, 05:46:13 AM
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 05:54:03 AM
Her oldest son Track deploys for Iraq on 09/11. Not to be cynical, but she's got skin in the game. Gives her more credibility on the WOT than the rest of the field combined.
IIRC both McCain and Biden have their children serving, so its not unique.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 05:56:00 AM
NRA life member (yay!)
Youngest child has Downs Syndrome. Can't be accused of not caring about medicine.
She also has a good "likable manager" look going, which might help a lot, hopefully.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 29, 2008, 05:56:34 AM
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 05:57:14 AM
Post by: longeyes on August 29, 2008, 05:58:32 AM
The woman is a lifetime NRA member and owns a float plane. Wow.
McCain just aborted the Obama candidacy.
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 05:58:37 AM
The real question...which is America ready for? A black president or a female VP?
From this side of the pond you have been ready for either for ages - the point is that there has only been one previous female VP who was on a losing ticket from the start, and all the black presidential wannabees have been unelectable (possibly including the current one) for a variety of reasons.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 05:59:38 AM
The real question...which is America ready for? A black president or a female VP?
A qualified VP who happens to be a woman, or an unqualified socialist who happens to be black?
I think that's better phrasing.
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 05:59:54 AM
Other facts:
NRA life member (yay!)
Youngest child has Downs Syndrome. Can't be accused of not caring about medicine.
She also has a good "likable manager" look going, which might help a lot, hopefully.
NRA life member (yay!)
Youngest child has Downs Syndrome. Can't be accused of not caring about medicine.
She also has a good "likable manager" look going, which might help a lot, hopefully.
One Washington blog describes her as a GILF
Post by: longeyes on August 29, 2008, 06:00:32 AM
Post by: Tallpine on August 29, 2008, 06:02:01 AM
I'm voting for McCain now
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 29, 2008, 06:03:42 AM
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 06:05:23 AM
What a token.
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 29, 2008, 06:06:55 AM
So can we bring Paddy back to see what he has to say about this choice? Huh, Huh.
Can we, Can we, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Mike?
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 06:07:31 AM
Not to mention a good play by McCain's campaign. Nice job of the stealing the thunder and afterglow from Obama......
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 29, 2008, 06:07:58 AM
Her oldest son Track deploys for Iraq on 09/11. Not to be cynical, but she's got skin in the game. Gives her more credibility on the WOT than the rest of the field combined.
IIRC both McCain and Biden have their children serving, so its not unique.
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Biden's elder son, Beau, had been a partner in the Wilmington law firm of Bifferato, Gentilotti, Biden & Balick, LLC until he was elected Delaware Attorney General in 2006. Beau is a captain in the Delaware Army National Guard, where he serves in the Judge Advocate General's (JAG) Corps. He is set to be deployed to Iraq in October 2008.[8] Biden's younger son, Hunter, works as a lawyer in Washington, D.C., serves on the board of directors of Amtrak, and previously worked in the Commerce Department.
McCain's son has served, and he has another at Annapolis.I stand corrected, thanks Agricola. Wonder why they haven't made a bigger deal about that?
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 06:08:24 AM
Oh, geez.
What a token.
What a token.
What, because she happens to be female?
She IS rather qualified, if you look at her credentials and her reputation for forceful politics.
Was that a chauvinistic kneejerk, or what?
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 06:09:17 AM
"He (McCain) has been looking intently at this young, fresh faced Governor"
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 29, 2008, 06:14:22 AM
lol @ Rove on Fox:
"He (McCain) has been looking intently at this young, fresh faced Governor"
Referred to on some blogs as a GILF
"He (McCain) has been looking intently at this young, fresh faced Governor"
Post by: longeyes on August 29, 2008, 06:15:22 AM
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 06:15:46 AM
lol @ Rove on Fox:
"He (McCain) has been looking intently at this young, fresh faced Governor"
Referred to on some blogs as a GILF"He (McCain) has been looking intently at this young, fresh faced Governor"
Did you just double quote me?
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 29, 2008, 06:22:35 AM
Post by: fletcher on August 29, 2008, 06:43:44 AM
Post by: AJ Dual on August 29, 2008, 06:54:24 AM
VPILF...
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 06:55:46 AM
New acronym in the lexicon....
VPILF...
VPILF...
I plan to afford her a bit more respect than that, myself.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 07:08:32 AM
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 07:08:44 AM
Oh, geez.
What a token.
What a token.
What, because she happens to be female?
She IS rather qualified, if you look at her credentials and her reputation for forceful politics.
Was that a chauvinistic kneejerk, or what?
She wasn't chosen due to credentials, unless you consider breasts credentials.
She was chosen to suck Hillary supporters: those that desired to vote for HER because of breasts.
"Token."
Post by: lupinus on August 29, 2008, 07:12:36 AM
His VP was extremely important. The man just turned 72 so he VP could very well end up POTUS.
Also, theres very little about her they can attack.
Speaking of which, he's introducing now.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 07:23:08 AM
I think it's a good pick. From what I've seen she's very much a conservative pick, but moderate enough that she wont scare anyone off.
His VP was extremely important. The man just turned 72 so he VP could very well end up POTUS.
Also, theres very little about her they can attack.
Speaking of which, he's introducing now.
His VP was extremely important. The man just turned 72 so he VP could very well end up POTUS.
Also, theres very little about her they can attack.
Speaking of which, he's introducing now.
I'm not saying it is a bad pick -- very shrewd, actually -- but let's not pretend it was all about her being the "best person" for the job.
This is politics at its BEST.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 07:27:47 AM
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 07:34:18 AM
She's been a kick ass and take names, no-nonsense governor. She's had the honesty and itegrity to take on the corruption and sleaze at both the local and state level. NRA life member, pro-life, hunts, fishes, pilot mother of 5 (including one with Down's Syndrome). Has the track record and more experience then BHO as an executive (Mayor and Governor).
The fact that she has different plumbing makes not a whit a difference to me. I had previously thought that her and Bobby Jindal would make an unbeatable ticket in 2012. And they still will.
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Post by: MrRezister on August 29, 2008, 07:38:56 AM
Post by: Dntsycnt on August 29, 2008, 07:39:01 AM
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 07:40:11 AM
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzAxN2RjNjE4ZDZkNzc5Y2Q5YjQ5OTkxMjczMTA3ODc=
Huge mistake, IMHO.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 07:42:18 AM
The Obama response:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzAxN2RjNjE4ZDZkNzc5Y2Q5YjQ5OTkxMjczMTA3ODc=
Huge mistake, IMHO.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzAxN2RjNjE4ZDZkNzc5Y2Q5YjQ5OTkxMjczMTA3ODc=
Huge mistake, IMHO.
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Barack Obama's campaign is blasting John McCain for putting "the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."
The scathing description of Sarah Palin, from Obama spokesman Bill Burton, comes as Democrats scramble to gather a response to a selection that nobody in the political world expected.
"Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," added Burton.
Democrats will likely push the inexperience line against Palin as they race to comb oppo files from Wasilla to Juneau.
The scathing description of Sarah Palin, from Obama spokesman Bill Burton, comes as Democrats scramble to gather a response to a selection that nobody in the political world expected.
"Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," added Burton.
Democrats will likely push the inexperience line against Palin as they race to comb oppo files from Wasilla to Juneau.
Town of 9000? Yes, they're too small to understand what arugula is. And they probably cling to guns and religion.
And funny, I thought her current position involved more than a town of 9000. That was her FIRST position.
Obama's first position was...oh, right. Working with the terrorist William Ayers.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on August 29, 2008, 08:01:30 AM
What's not to like?
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 08:04:47 AM
Post by: charby on August 29, 2008, 08:06:01 AM
Post by: charby on August 29, 2008, 08:07:59 AM
Yep, McCain takes the time, effort and $$$ to broadcast to tell BHO "Congrats on your historic nomination." BHO response is to blast Palin. I'm surprised they didn't mention that she was "only" head of her kids school PTA.
McCain just has a lot more class than Barry does. I was actually surprised when I saw the McCain ad, I'm still interpreting it as neener neener Barry.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 08:11:27 AM
VP who can truly defend herself.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 08:13:57 AM
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Barack Obama's campaign is blasting John McCain for putting "the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."
The scathing description of Sarah Palin, from Obama spokesman Bill Burton, comes as Democrats scramble to gather a response to a selection that nobody in the political world expected.
"Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," added Burton.
Democrats will likely push the inexperience line against Palin as they race to comb oppo files from Wasilla to Juneau.
The scathing description of Sarah Palin, from Obama spokesman Bill Burton, comes as Democrats scramble to gather a response to a selection that nobody in the political world expected.
"Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," added Burton.
Democrats will likely push the inexperience line against Palin as they race to comb oppo files from Wasilla to Juneau.
FUNNIEST THING EVER!!
Is The Onion running his campaign now?
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 08:14:49 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 08:19:49 AM
Doesn't mean he'll win, of course.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 29, 2008, 08:22:13 AM
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She wasn't chosen due to credentials, unless you consider breasts credentials.
She was chosen to suck Hillary supporters: those that desired to vote for HER because of breasts.
She was chosen to suck Hillary supporters: those that desired to vote for HER because of breasts.
This choice has the power to swing me back from voting libertarian, to voting for McCain.
I was hoping she'd be the pick, but I was terrified it would be some eastern tenderfoot sissy efite big city blueblood lib-appeaser like Romney.
This woman will FIGHT for us. To demean her as a viable choice purely by anatomical reasons is so ridiculous I cannot even begin to describe it. I challenge you to find a better libertarian-oriented republican, issue by issue. There may be a couple, but it's a damn short list and none of McCain's other Veep choices are on it, that's for damn sure.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 08:23:36 AM
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 08:24:20 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
This choice will readily backfire if exposed for what it is: obvious pandering to the femi-Nazi and Clinton-ista crowd, while trying to claim a shift to the Right for the radicals.
Someone in the McCain camp has been praying for a "relatively youthful, neo-conservative, uber-female" we can nominate.
So they found one...
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 08:25:24 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
This choice will readily backfire if exposed for what it is: obvious pandering to the femi-Nazi and Clinton-ista crowd, while trying to claim a shift to the Right for the radicals.
Did you miss the part where she'd fought corruption, cut spending, and is an NRA life member, then? She's the real thing. For once.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 08:27:08 AM
Post by: Monkeyleg on August 29, 2008, 08:28:12 AM
The most obvious reason for her selection is to peel off Hillary supporters. But she does more than that.
She makes up for the ambivalence or even hostility of gun owners toward McCain. (Note picture above).
She has more executive experience than either Biden or Obama. The Dem's can bleat all they want about her not having any foreign policy credentials, but Obama has none, either. And McCain's foreign policy credentials are stronger than Biden's.
Her strong pro-life credentials will help energize a segment of the Republican base that was somewhat apathetic toward McCain.
She has more hands-on experience with the oil and drilling issue than any of the four, an issue that is front and center with the public.
Because she is relatively unknown, the media will be forced to give her column space to provide her story or be seen by even the least politically astute as blatantly biased. And that's column space that would have gone to Obama.
She's more than a token, but she has a ton of work to do to get the public behind her.
The timing is perfect, though. The Obamafest and His speech are now secondary headlines.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 08:29:08 AM
I sure hope she is, cause McCain isn't.
That's the point.
She exists only to add some Right credibility to McCain while calling out to those who were voting for Hillary because they were womynists.
Best of both worlds.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 08:31:21 AM
I'm actually happy about politics for the first time in a long time.
BTW, the M4 was in Iraq. She shot at a range with the troops. Unlike other politicians who just posed with goose hunting stuff, she already knew quite well how to use a carbine and wasn't afraid to pick one up and shoot it.
Obama would probably back away in fear because it was loud and dirty.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 08:33:05 AM
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Also, when she got into office, she fired her cook and driver, because she said she can cook and drive herself. Her own vehicle she already had, I think it was a Cherokee.
Is that true? Got a source?
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 08:34:19 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
This choice will readily backfire if exposed for what it is: obvious pandering to the femi-Nazi and Clinton-ista crowd, while trying to claim a shift to the Right for the radicals.
Someone in the McCain camp has been praying for a "relatively youthful, neo-conservative, uber-female" we can nominate.
So they found one...
Are you joking? Go look at AZRedhawk's post just before yours, to see how the base views Romney. Add to that, he'd be flayed alive for his so-called flip-flops about McCain and many of his own views. No one trusts him to be as conservative as he says he is.
And why would McCain need a neo-conservative? He's the very model of a modern neo-conservative.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 08:34:55 AM
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Also, when she got into office, she fired her cook and driver, because she said she can cook and drive herself. Her own vehicle she already had, I think it was a Cherokee.
Is that true? Got a source? I will try to find one. I'd heard that from someone I know up in Alaska back when she got elected, they were really impressed.
Also, NOBODY here likes Romney. He signed the 1998 MA AWB and everyone knows it. Guy who bought a Reagan hat and wore it with the price tag still on it. Palin appears to really mean it.
Post by: RevDisk on August 29, 2008, 08:35:35 AM
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Also, when she got into office, she fired her cook and driver, because she said she can cook and drive herself. Her own vehicle she already had, I think it was a Cherokee.
Is that true? Got a source? If it's true, she's got my vote.
RevDisk (D)
Post by: sumpnz on August 29, 2008, 08:37:14 AM
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She wasn't chosen due to credentials, unless you consider breasts credentials.
She was chosen to suck Hillary supporters: those that desired to vote for HER because of breasts.
She was chosen to suck Hillary supporters: those that desired to vote for HER because of breasts.
This choice has the power to swing me back from voting libertarian, to voting for McCain.
I was hoping she'd be the pick, but I was terrified it would be some eastern tenderfoot sissy efite big city blueblood lib-appeaser like Romney.
This woman will FIGHT for us. To demean her as a viable choice purely by anatomical reasons is so ridiculous I cannot even begin to describe it. I challenge you to find a better libertarian-oriented republican, issue by issue. There may be a couple, but it's a damn short list and none of McCain's other Veep choices are on it, that's for damn sure.
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 08:52:44 AM
I will now vote for McCain.
Post by: HankB on August 29, 2008, 08:55:18 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Yeah, right . . .
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 08:57:16 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Post by: seeker_two on August 29, 2008, 08:58:32 AM
Being as how I live in Illinois, I know my vote wouldn't count, so I was planning on voting 3rd party this year.
I will now vote for McCain.
I will now vote for McCain.
Me to....esp. if he catches a cold....
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Excuse me? So, what, you ARE for a ban on semiautos-that-look-like-assault-weapons?
News flash, most of America is NOT. That's why it's such poison for the Democrats.
Stores in Louisiana, especially around NO, just completely sold out of every AR they have in stock. Tell those people who want them to defend their neighborhoods that they can't have them. Go on.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 09:05:49 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Excuse me? So, what, you ARE for a ban on semiautos-that-look-like-assault-weapons?
News flash, most of America is NOT. That's why it's such poison for the Democrats.
I don't think Jimmy-Joe Jim-Bob should be able to roll down to Wal*Mart and buy all the full-auto .223 and 7.62x39 carbines he wants, just because he has the cash: but that's another thread.
What's up with this?
Palin: Before 2006, her only elective office was as the mayor of Wasilla, AK (pop. 8,471). She is currently under investigation by a bipartisan state commission (voting 12-0 in favor of the investigation) for allegedly firing a state official who resisted pressure from Palin and her office to fire a AK State Trooper who was going through a messy divorce with her sister.
That will have to be cleaned up...
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 09:10:38 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Excuse me? So, what, you ARE for a ban on semiautos-that-look-like-assault-weapons?
News flash, most of America is NOT. That's why it's such poison for the Democrats.
I don't think Jimmy-Joe Jim-Bob should be able to roll down to Wal*Mart and buy all the full-auto .223 and 7.62x39 carbines he wants, just because he has the cash: but that's another thread.
No, actually I think that's quite relevant, because it's exposing your personality in this matter. You are an elitist. Jimmy-Joe-Bob? Who is that dismissive of? People of certain regions of the country? People of certain ethnic background? Educational status? Income level? What stereotype are you implying there, elitist?
You have criteria for the GOVERNMENT to decide what elite classes can or cannot express their second amendment rights.
Therefore, you have absolutely no concept of what the Bill of Rights means. I find it a shame that every hypocritical elitist sort like you is allowed to vote, but I recognize the right that you're able to.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 29, 2008, 09:16:03 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Excuse me? So, what, you ARE for a ban on semiautos-that-look-like-assault-weapons?
News flash, most of America is NOT. That's why it's such poison for the Democrats.
I don't think Jimmy-Joe Jim-Bob should be able to roll down to Wal*Mart and buy all the full-auto .223 and 7.62x39 carbines he wants, just because he has the cash: but that's another thread.
No, actually I think that's quite relevant, because it's exposing your personality in this matter. You are an elitist. Jimmy-Joe-Bob? Who is that dismissive of? People of certain regions of the country? People of certain ethnic background? Educational status? Income level? What stereotype are you implying there, elitist?
You have criteria for the GOVERNMENT to decide what elite classes can or cannot express their second amendment rights.
Therefore, you have absolutely no concept of what the Bill of Rights means. I find it a shame that every hypocritical elitist sort like you is allowed to vote, but I recognize the right that you're able to.
What's the record for most nested quotes on APS?
Post by: Pb on August 29, 2008, 09:18:31 AM
You may also want to find a forum where the members value their second ammendment rights less.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 09:23:12 AM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Excuse me? So, what, you ARE for a ban on semiautos-that-look-like-assault-weapons?
News flash, most of America is NOT. That's why it's such poison for the Democrats.
I don't think Jimmy-Joe Jim-Bob should be able to roll down to Wal*Mart and buy all the full-auto .223 and 7.62x39 carbines he wants, just because he has the cash: but that's another thread.
No, actually I think that's quite relevant, because it's exposing your personality in this matter. You are an elitist. Jimmy-Joe-Bob? Who is that dismissive of? People of certain regions of the country? People of certain ethnic background? Educational status? Income level? What stereotype are you implying there, elitist?
You have criteria for the GOVERNMENT to decide what elite classes can or cannot express their second amendment rights.
Therefore, you have absolutely no concept of what the Bill of Rights means. I find it a shame that every hypocritical elitist sort like you is allowed to vote, but I recognize the right that you're able to.
1. Get Joe Six-pack's name right. (It's Jimmy-Joe JIM-Bob.)
2. Folks whose Family Tree does not fork, deserve recognition for what they are.
I'm not an elitist, I am a realist.
There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
That's just reality.
Post by: PTK on August 29, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 09:25:57 AM
1. Get Joe Six-pack's name right. (It's Jimmy-Joe JIM-Bob.)
2. Folks whose Family Tree does not fork, deserve recognition for what they are.
I'm not an elitist, I am a realist.
There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
That's just reality.
2. Folks whose Family Tree does not fork, deserve recognition for what they are.
I'm not an elitist, I am a realist.
There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
That's just reality.
Okay, so you're using the insulting stereotype of Southerners. That'll win you friends here.
And deserve? Who deserves, then? People with, oh...lots of money? Like how only the rich and influential can get a NYC CCW? Or how only Daley's friends can carry guns in Chicago? Like that?
You are assuming that some people are more prone to misuse a firearm merely because they're not arugula-eating chardonnay-sipping elitists with lots of money, and are okay with denying them their Constitutional rights. Admit it.
I freaking hate elitists. They poison everything good about America.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 09:29:02 AM
Zeke, the reality is that you're okay with gun control. Period.
Interesting "all or nothing" distortion.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 09:30:29 AM
1. Get Joe Six-pack's name right. (It's Jimmy-Joe JIM-Bob.)
2. Folks whose Family Tree does not fork, deserve recognition for what they are.
I'm not an elitist, I am a realist.
There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
That's just reality.
2. Folks whose Family Tree does not fork, deserve recognition for what they are.
I'm not an elitist, I am a realist.
There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
That's just reality.
Okay, so you're using the insulting stereotype of Southerners. That'll win you friends here.
And deserve? Who deserves, then? People with, oh...lots of money? Like how only the rich and influential can get a NYC CCW? Like that?
You are assuming that some people are more prone to misuse a firearm merely because they're not arugula-eating chardonnay-sipping elitists with lots of money, and are okay with denying them their Constitutional rights. Admit it.
I freaking hate elitists. They poison everything good about America.
I am saying that some people are more prone to misuse a firearm: YOU BET. (Since we cannot tell who those people are...)
Furthermore, America is an Elitist Nation. And? That's not creating any issue, unless unilaterally bringing our justice to the world bothers you. (It does me.)
America is poisoned by narcissistic and entitlement losers, who desire nothing beyond NASCAR and Pabst, who don't care to question what we do in the name of Ole' Glory.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 09:31:54 AM
Zeke, the reality is that you're okay with gun control. Period.
Interesting "all or nothing" distortion.
Because your argument is BROKEN. It's a broken record your ilk keeps playing.
Powerful tools? A baseball bat is a powerful tool, you can kill someone in seconds with it. Fire! Gasoline and matches are powerful, someone could burn down a building!
Restrict access to them all! It's for the good of the children...people...drum-circle potsmoking masturabatory whatevers! Sure!
Post by: PTK on August 29, 2008, 09:31:57 AM
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There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
Who decides what the standards are?
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 09:35:29 AM
Allowing gun control in any way shape or form is allowing gun control - even if only a small amount. Being fine with people not being allowed to purchase firearms they want (in this case, full auto carbines) is gun control, pure and simple. The reasoning behind this, in your own words?
Who decides what the standards are?
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There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
Who decides what the standards are?
The voters? Seems simple, to me.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 29, 2008, 09:38:09 AM
And, for what it's worth, I think Zeke has a valid point on gun control. I may not entirely agree with him, but I can understand his point...
Post by: Drgong on August 29, 2008, 09:42:46 AM
Also I think that felons should not have the vote for X number of years after being released. (but there are too many things that are felonies)
Just my .02 Lira.
Post by: taurusowner on August 29, 2008, 09:42:56 AM
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She was chosen because she was a woman that would appeal to the hard core right, many of the RINO's, and some of the women supporters of Hillary. The fact that some us us find her to be a good choice doesn't mean she was chosen for thise reasons
But since many of us are members of that far right you speak about, wouldn't the fact that some of us find her to be a good choice in fact be one of the reasons she was chosen?
Also, she's for drilling here and drilling now.
Post by: roo_ster on August 29, 2008, 09:51:03 AM
But, I would bet her other characteristics were much more telling.
Remember, McCain has not yet closed the deal with much of the Republican base and he won with fewer actual Republican primary votes than Romney. A "get the gov't outta my life" conservative VPOTUS choice goes a long way to closing the deal. Toss in McCain's age and possibly being a one-term POTUS (by choice or health), setting up such a politician for success for a POTUS run in 2012 or 2016, and there might be light at the end of the RINO tunnel.
If a Palin VP can get the Rep base energized or at least up from enervated, the choice will bring in many more votes than disgruntled Hillary supporters.
Romney would have been the establishmentarian, RINO-preferred choice. He has his good points, esp WRT the economy & gov't executive experience. IMO, the Palin choice is better, as she is a more well-rounded VPOTUS package.
Post by: roo_ster on August 29, 2008, 10:00:59 AM
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McCain-Palin? Ill Be Thrilled [Larry Kudlow]
If the rumors about Sarah Palin are true, I will be thrilled. Shes been my first choice all along. Shes a strong pro-life, supply-side, drill-drill-drill-ethics reformer who has worked hard to change the Ted Stevens culture-of-corruption problem in Alaska. A cheap-shot Democratic legislative investigation of Palin appeared to slow her momentum down a few weeks ago. But John McCain would electrify everyone if this choice pans out.
26JUN2008
http://kudlowsmoneypolitics.blogspot.com/2008/06/drill-drill-drill-my-interview-with_26.html
Drill, Drill, Drill: My Interview with Alaska Governor Sarah Palin
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, frequently touted by conservatives as Sen. McCains running mate, gave an outstanding performance last night on Kudlow & Co. It was drill, drill, drill -- all the way. In particular, she said look, if the people of Alaska want to drill in ANWR, why should the Congress in Washington stop this? She added that there are tens of billions of more barrels of oil both onshore and offshore Alaska. Yes, it might take five years to get ANWR on line. But we have to start sometime to solve a problem of massive oil prices.
Gov. Palin also said John McCain is wrong about ANWR and that she hopes to persuade him of that. And she agreed with me that we need an America-first energy policy that deregulates and decontrols all possible energy sources, unleashing the U.S. energy business.
She was clearheaded and plainspoken. Very impressive. The unofficial transcript follows below.
Kudlow: All right, drill, drill, drill! Nobody does it better than Alaska, if only Congress would let it. So here to tell us all about it, Alaska Republican Governor Sarah Palin.
Governor Palin, thank you ever so much for coming on. We appreciate it. I want to start with this, its an oddball question. I mean, Senator McCain says it's too pristine to drill. Senator Obama says the drilling won't work. What is your response to this? How do you fight back?
Palin: Well it will work. And Senator McCain is wrong on that issue. Hes right on a whole lot of other issues, so thank goodness that hes understanding and evolving with his position on OCS [Outer Continental Shelf]. So thats encouraging. I think hes going to evolve into, eventually, supporting ANWR opening also.
Obama is way off base on all that. I think those politicians who dont understand that we need more domestic supply of energy flowing into our hungry markets, you know, theyre living in La-La Land. And were in a world of hurt if their agenda continues to be to lock up these safe, secure domestic supplies of energy.
Kudlow: Tell me about the world of hurt in your judgment. The criticism of ANWR is - this is what you hear from people in both political parties - theres not enough to matter, itll take too long, and it wont impact the price of oil internationally or gas at the pump. How do you respond to that?
Palin: Well it will impact, in a positive sense, the price of fuel eventually. Weve got to start somewhere. Again, weve got domestic supplies sitting there underground. The reserves are ready to be tapped. And you know, nowhere more than Alaska Alaskans - would be impacted by development in ANWR. And here in Alaska, our constituents, the people who live here, want it drilled. So that tells you that we have confidence in the safety and the responsibility that well see there with the development of ANWR.
Remember too Larry, were talking about a sliver of the coastal plain of Alaska being explored and drilled for oil. Its about a footprint of a 2000-acre plot of land. Thats smaller than the footprint of LAX, for instance. So its not so grandiose an acreage that it is out of the realm of possibility for others to start understanding why it is that we can do this safely. We can have a small footprint, and not adversely impact the land, the wildlife, thats part of Alaska.
Kudlow: Well what do you have up there around ANWR? Is it a bunch of big fat blue flies? People say nobody goes up there. Humanoids dont populate it. Its just the blue flies. I mean, I want to keep blue flies healthy. Maybe you can tell us about that?
Palin: Well sure, we want to keep the blue flies healthy also. [Laughter]. But again, its a small portion of land up there. Alaskans understand that while we have these reserves underground, ready to be tapped, you know, we want to invite safe responsible development. We want those who can safely develop it. We want them to compete for the right to tap those resources and start feeding these hungry markets.
Kudlow: How long would it take? How long would it take? I hear so many, Senator Obama says this, and a lot of Democrats say this, some Republicans, how long will it take Governor? Whats your estimate on this? To start lifting out of ANWR?
Palin: Its going to take at least five years. You know, and there are other areas in Alaska too, that have the reserves that need to be tapped, certainly offshore. Theres trillions of cubic feet of natural gas, and billions of barrels of oil there too that need to be tapped. We also have a natural gas pipeline that is underway now, a process to get that constructed, where we can build infrastructure and allow known reserves of natural gas up on our North Slope - its already there, its already proven to be tapped and flow through a natural gas pipeline. Our legislature is dealing with that issue right now, getting ready to license a company to build that gas line. Again, to feed these hungry markets.
Kudlow: Alright, so now youve got another case where both candidates seem to be off course. Senator Obama wants a windfall profits tax on oil companies. And Senator McCain talks about obscene profits, which I regard as the near cousin to the windfall profits tax. Whats your response to these criticisms?
Palin: Well we just went through a process of making sure that the oil and gas resources that Alaskans own are properly taxed. And we just increased a tax on profits of oil companies up here, because an earlier version of Alaskas tax formula had been corrupted by some politicians who are now in prison for the corruption. But we had to revisit the way that we were going to tax profits on oil companies. We just got through that, and it wasnt an obscene amount of tax placed upon them. In fact, its driven more by a desire to explore and to develop with independent companies coming into Alaska. So you know, on a national level, theyre going to have to deal with that, but we just dealt with it on Alaskas level. And we have a healthy valuation of our oil and gas reserves, and were deriving healthy revenue for our state off that.
Kudlow: Well are profits a dirty word? In energy, or other businesses?
Palin: Well no, of course not. And low taxes of course, we know spur the economy. Im a Republican. I am for low taxes. We have to make sure though that an appropriate value is placed oil and gas resources. And that the people who own these resources are able to benefit from the development of them. But no, profit is not a dirty word.
Kudlow: Why dont we just liberate, and decontrol, and deregulate the whole bloody energy business whether its oil, gas, shale, nuclear, coal, natural gas, as well as wind and solar why dont we just decontrol, deregulate, go for an America first energy policy? Get independent of Saudi Arabia? America first. Create all of these millions of high paying jobs. Why isnt anybody talking about that in this race? Thats the natural, Reaganesque thing to do. Isnt it?
Palin: Yeah absolutely! Youre hitting the nail right on the head. Thats what so many of us normal Americans are asking. The same thing. Why arent the candidates talking like that? Where we can secure America and we can be more independent when we talk about energy sources if we could drill domestically.
Here we sent [Energy] Secretary Bodman overseas the other day, and our president had to visit the Saudis a few weeks ago, to ask them to ramp up development. Thats nonsense. Not when you know that we have the supplies here. You have the supplies in your sister state called Alaska, where were ready, willing and were able to pump these supplies of energy, flow them into hungry markets across the U.S. We want it to happen. Its Congress holding us back.
Kudlow: Alright. Ive got some sound from Senator John McCain. Please take a listen.
[Video Clip:
Audience member: Would you consider Alaska Governor Sarah Palin for a vice-presidential running mate?
McCain: Could I say that this meeting is adjourned? [Laughter]. Were still going through the process, but the governor of Alaska is a wonderful person, and very popular in her state, and very honest and straightforward, and I think has a future in our party]
Kudlow: Alright Governor, you probably heard Senator McCain waltz his way through that one. Let me just ask you. If he asked you to be his vice-president, would you accept in light of your disagreement, apparently, over ANWR drilling?
Palin: Well Id like the opportunity to get to change his mind about ANWR, Ill tell you that. But Larry, Im gonna give you the same answer that any other potential VP gives you and that is you know, I really enjoy my job here in Alaska as governor. I believe that theres a lot that Alaska could be and should be doing to contribute to the rest of the U.S. And I think I can do that in my job here in Alaska. And I know that, again, the other potential VPs are saying the same thing that they like where they are today. So I also have to say though that its really probably out of the realm of possibility to be tapped for that position, so I dont even have to worry about it.
Kudlow: Well okay. Youve got a lot of work to do drilling up there to help the rest of America. But let me ask one final question. In your judgment, is it time for the Republican Party to put a woman on the ticket?
Palin: Oh, were overdue for that. Absolutely. I would love to see that happen.
Kudlow: Alright. Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska. Thank you very much Governor. Appreciate it.
Post by: roo_ster on August 29, 2008, 10:01:19 AM
01AUG2008
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My Interview with Alaska Governor Sarah Palin [Larry Kudlow]
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has exactly the high energy, political toughness, and conservative reform message that would boost Sen. John McCains presidential run if Big Mac were to put her on the ticket. In an interview last evening on CNBC, Palin was very clear on her drill, drill, drill message for Alaska and the rest of the U.S., along with her strong supply-side tax-cutting and free-market economic views. She did not shirk from questions about an investigation of her firing the states safety commissioner. She told us she has nothing to hide let them bring it on.
Palin is dealing with Alaskas culture of corruption by supporting all manner of reform and investigation. She basically dissed Ted Stevens, calling him a distraction. She then talked about cleansing the Republican party of all the pork-barrel corruption that cost it the congressional election of November 2006.
Palins response to all the vice-presidential talk is fascinating. It was a point of view I have never heard before and it underscored her independence. I have interviewed all the veep prospects, and I still have Gov. Palin at the top of my list.
I hope readers will enjoy this interview:
Kudlow: All right, now were pleased to welcome back to the program the much talked about rising Republican star Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin. Welcome back Governor.
Palin: Thank you so much Larry.
Kudlow: Heres the bad news. The Congress is going to take their summer recess without a vote not even a vote on rolling back the moratorium on drilling onshore and offshore. Not even a vote. Nothing on ANWR. Nothing on shale. Nothing on the Outer Continental Shelf. Whats your reaction to this?
Palin: Well with all due respect to Congress, its pretty pathetic, that action theyve taken. I appreciate the Presidents call to lift the moratorium. I appreciate the Presidents call to drill in ANWR, to do all those things for American production opportunities. Very, very disappointed in Congress though.
Kudlow: You know we talked about a month ago, or last time you were on the program, you told me you were going to persuade Senator McCain to drill in ANWR. Now actually, McCains come a long way on drilling Outer Continental Shelf. Have you yet talked him into ANWR?
Palin: I have not talked him into ANWR yet. But yeah, arent you appreciative though that his mind has evolved into being open enough to say yes to that offshore? Obama certainly hasnt gone there. So, you know, for me its all the more reason to support the Republican ticket heading into the next era in American economy here. We certainly need this. We need it for American security, for energy independence. All those things we talked about last time. I think we need McCain in that White House despite, still, the close-mindedness on ANWR. I think hes going to get there though.
Kudlow: All right, well we need you to persuade him. Now youre fighting a battle in the state. You want to get a new natural gas pipeline, as I understand it. Youve got to get it through your state legislature. Youre going to run that up from the North Slope down through Canada and eventually to the lower forty-eight. Whats the state of play on that? Are you winning or losing on your new gas pipeline?
Palin: Were winning and Im glad that you asked that question. Its so timely because it could be today that our lawmakers vote yay or nay on the TransCanada pipeline, natural gas pipeline being built 1,700 miles. This is North Americas largest, most expensive, private sector infrastructure project in our history. Its $30 to $40 billion dollars to deal with the energy crisisget this safe, stable, clean domestic supply of energy and natural gas flowing from our rich reserves up in Prudhoe Bay on the North Slope of Alaska, into the hungry markets in the Midwest especially.
Kudlow: Now youre fighting with the legislature. You may get a vote this evening. Have you gone out and done a poll? Have you talked to the polar bears, and the caribou, and the large black flies? Are you sure? I want everyone on board here.
Palin: Well we do want everyone on board there. And as for the wildlife, you know, theyre doing just fine under the Trans-Alaska oil pipeline of course that has been up and running for thirty years in Alaska. So we think that even they will be on our side also, as we build this next economic lifeline for Alaska and for the rest of the U.S.
Kudlow: All right, let me go to some tougher issues up in Alaska, the so-called culture of corruption, this energy services company Veco, buying favors for state and federal contracts. I guess people linked to Veco, a couple of state legislators have been convicted, a couple more investigations, a couple more being indicted, and Senator Ted Stevens has now been caught in that loop. What can you tell us about Senator Stevens? Have you spoken to him since his seven criminal charges?
Palin: No, I havent spoken to him yet. And you know, it was very dismaying. It was like an earthquake that hit up here in Alaska the other day with that indictment. Very sad. Hopefully though, this wont be a distraction and get peoples minds off what has to be done in the grand scheme of things here. And its like what youre talking about all the time Larry, it is energy independence that is needed for this country. And we need folks in Congress, in the Senate, who understand that we do have to drill, that we have to unlock the lands here in Alaska, and allow, through competition, entities competing for the right to tap these resources and flow energy sources into hungry markets.
So hopefully, the Ted Stevens issues wont be a distraction. But yeah, lots and lots of damage has been done by this oil industry service company, Veco. You know we have some local lawmakers who are serving prison time right now for their undue influence, their corruption, their bribery that was involved in this oil services company. Now Ted Stevens, as you mentioned, is embroiled in this also. Not good for Alaska. But hopefully&
Kudlow: Well what about the Republican Party in general? I mean, it seems to me the GOP has just got to cleanse itself of all the pork barrel corruption, lobbying, cash-for-favors that cost them the Congress back in November 2006. And for better or worse, Mr. Stevens has served for a very long time, Im not here to judge him. Im merely here to report the fact that hes in a heap of trouble. I mean, shouldnt he resign for example? Shouldnt leaders like yourself and elsewhere just say, Senator, all right, clean break, please resign?
Palin: Well, I thought that it would be my job as governor working on the state level with those who were indicted for the corruption and bribery, to call for their stepping down. And thats what I did. And for the most part they have stepped down. And again, some of them are facing prison terms now and are in prison. But as for Senator Stevens, still not knowing enough about that indictment yet. I think that two days later it would be premature for me to chime in and say whether he has to step down or not.
But youre absolutely right on the cleansing thats needed in our party, in the Republican Party. And you know I think Senator McCain is on the right track with the earmark reform that he is so adamant about. Im right there with him. We for instance here in Alaska, our administration, we cancelled that Bridge to Nowhere. You know, we know that that earmark was not in Alaskas, it wasnt in the nations best interest. So were going to be a part of that reform also. Its absolutely necessary, or the Republican agenda, which I do believe is the right agenda for Alaska and for&
[Technical disruption]
Kudlow: &Governor Palin youre back. Okay. You see that? Im going to call it divine intervention, trumping the technological difficulties. I appreciate your comments on Senator Stevens and the rest. Let me ask you this. Wall Street Journal today is running a story about yourself. The possibility of a state probe, Alaskas Palin Faces Probe. Its I guess an independent prosecutor. You [allegedly] tried to get your former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper. Now the legislature is trying to come after you. Whats this about? What can you tell us here?
Palin: Well, a couple of lawmakers who were pretty angry with me for replacing& [Technical disruption]&at-will political appointment who was serving in my cabinet which every governor does, a couple lawmakers who were not happy with that decision certainly are looking at me as a kind of target right now, and wanting to probe and find out why I did replace this cabinet member. And its cool. I want them to ask me the questions. I dont have anything to hide. And I didnt do anything wrong there. And it is a governors prerogative, a right, to fill that cabinet with members whom she or he believes will do best for the people whom we are serving. So I look forward to any kind of investigation or questions being asked because Ive got nothing to hide.
Kudlow: Governor Palin, people want to know why you did fire your police commissioner, or public safety commissioner Monegan. And is it because he stopped you from getting rid of your brother-in-law or what? People want to know if this is an ethical lapse on your part.
Palin: Im glad that youre asking, because I never tried to fire a former brother-in-law whos been divorced from my sister for quite some time. No, it was the commissioner, that we were seeking more results, more action, to fill vacant trooper positions to deal with bootlegging and alcohol abuse problems in our rural villages especially. We just needed some new direction, a lot of new energy in that position. That is why the replacement took place there of the commissioner of public safety. It had nothing to do with an estranged former brother-in-law, a divorce that had happened some years ago.
Kudlow: All right. You have a legion of fans who want you to become Senator McCains vice-presidential candidate. In fact, on the worlds largest pay-to-play prediction market, betting parlor, called InTrade, you are in third place with a 20 percent support probability behind former Governor Romney and present Governor of Minnesota Pawlenty. Is this police flap, state investigation, going to disqualify you from becoming Senator McCains vice-presidential candidate?
Palin: Well it shouldnt disqualify me from anything, including progressing the states agenda here towards more energy production so we can contribute more to the U.S. Nor should it dissuade any kind of agenda progress in any arena because again, I havent done anything wrong. And through an investigation of our lawmakers who are kind of looking at me as a target, we invite those questions so that we can truthfully answer the questions.
But as for that VP talk all the time, Ill tell you, I still cant answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does everyday? Im used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that were trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.
Kudlow: Well I worked in the White House during President Reagans first term, let me assure you, and Ive spent a lot of time in the Bush White House as a journalist in meetings with interviews. Its a pretty big job, Madame Governor. Its a real big job. Youd be surprised by how big the veep job is these days!
Palin: Well this is a pretty cool job here too though as Governor of Alaskathe wealthiest state in the union in consideration of the natural resources that we have. Again, and we being in a position ready, willing and able to tap these resources, flow them into hungry markets across the U.S. to lead towards a more secure nation; to lead towards a more peaceful nation also and energy independence. All those things that Alaska should be contributing. I think that I can help do that as Governor of Alaska.
Kudlow: All right, last one. McCain is ahead in Alaska, but its only 45-40 over Obama. Its a traditional Republican state. Why isnt this a bigger lead for Mac? Whats he got to do up there to make sure you carry Alaska?
Palin: Thats a good question. And you did your homework, Larry. Thats impressive. Usually yes, such a red state up here. Its a no-brainer that the R is going to take the cake up here. But this is a little bit different situation now with Obamas message resonating, even with Alaskans. That being change, a desire for no embracing of the status quo and politics as usual. But something different, something dynamic and charismatic. That does resonate well, that message of Obamas. I still do believe of course McCain will take Alaska because hes right on so many of the issues when it comes to in my opinion hes right on war, hes right on with energy independence measures that need to be taken. Wrong on ANWR, but were still working on that one.
Kudlow: Governor Sarah Palin, terrific stuff. We know youre busy. Good luck on the pipeline vote coming up this evening. We appreciate your visiting with us very much.
Palin: Thank you so much sir.
Post by: Dannyboy on August 29, 2008, 10:28:59 AM
As for the investigation about her firing the Public Safety Commissioner, she fired him because he wouldn't do his job and fire the guy her sister was married to. Why did he need to be fired? Because he zapped his wife's kid with his tazer, got caught drinking in a patrol car while off-duty, threatened his FIL, and illegally shot a moose on his wife's tag.
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/478011.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121746477267499109.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
from this thread:http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=13862.0
Post by: GigaBuist on August 29, 2008, 10:41:42 AM
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Because he zapped his wife's kid with his tazer
Well, the kid asked him to do it. Sorta moves him out of the sadistic category and into the retard one.
Post by: Antibubba on August 29, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
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Quote from: Ezekiel on Today at 01:24:20 PM
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Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Mitt . . . the guy who came right out and said he supported the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Quote from: scout26 on Today at 12:34:18 PM
Who would you say is a better pick ??
Romney is a single, obvious, answer.
Mitt . . . the guy who came right out and said he supported the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons.
Yeah, right . . .
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I would hazard that neither does most of America.
Do you know why that's bolded, Ezekiel?
Because "Assault Weapon" is a political term, created by Brady and Company, to label all the semiautomatic rifles that eventually went into the AWB. There is no such kind of gun. Assault Rifles, like soldiers use, are select-fire weapons that require a Class III license to purchase, as well as a suitcase full of money, because there are so few on the market.
Assault weapon is a sign of ignorance, Ezekiel, which you attribute to the Bubba Jim Bobs (and why don't we just come out and say "Redneck", OK?). The people who hate guns spread their hate through fear, and distortion about guns is their main weapon. Truth is, there are already reasonable restrictions on the purchase of firearms, like the NICS instant check that prevents felons from purchasing.
I must say, this is a strange place to find someone who wants more firearms restrictions.
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 10:58:17 AM
I've been saying for months that McCain should pick Palin. When I left the house this morning, there was no mention of it yet but when I got to work 20 minutes later, I was absolutley shocked that he picked her. I wasn't planning on voting for McCain but I am now.
As for the investigation about her firing the Public Safety Commissioner, she fired him because he wouldn't do his job and fire the guy her sister was married to. Why did he need to be fired? Because he zapped his wife's kid with his tazer, got caught drinking in a patrol car while off-duty, threatened his FIL, and illegally shot a moose on his wife's tag.
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/478011.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121746477267499109.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
from this thread:http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=13862.0
As for the investigation about her firing the Public Safety Commissioner, she fired him because he wouldn't do his job and fire the guy her sister was married to. Why did he need to be fired? Because he zapped his wife's kid with his tazer, got caught drinking in a patrol car while off-duty, threatened his FIL, and illegally shot a moose on his wife's tag.
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/478011.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121746477267499109.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
from this thread:http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=13862.0
In Obama's Chicago, the PSC would get a better paying do-nothing job and the BIL would get promoted.
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 11:13:22 AM
Allowing gun control in any way shape or form is allowing gun control - even if only a small amount. Being fine with people not being allowed to purchase firearms they want (in this case, full auto carbines) is gun control, pure and simple. The reasoning behind this, in your own words?
Who decides what the standards are?
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There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
Who decides what the standards are?
The voters? Seems simple, to me.
You're right Zeke, we need to keep those guns out of the hands of "those" people. *wink* They're just not smart enough to have anything that dangerous. While we're at it, they need our help as they just can't figure out life, the poor dears. Maybe if we gave them free housing and food they'll learn to make better choices, if not, well we'll just take care of them for the rest of their lives. It's a shame they're not smart enough and tend to drop out of high school, but we know that's all we can expect from "them" *wink*.
Post by: Tallpine on August 29, 2008, 11:53:35 AM
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I don't think Jimmy-Joe Jim-Bob should be able to roll down to Wal*Mart and buy all the full-auto .223 and 7.62x39 carbines he wants, just because he has the cash: but that's another thread.
Are you just ignorant or what ....
Zeke, why don't you just jump on your skateboard and roll on down to Walmart and buy yourself a full-auto AK-47 ? Tell us how it works out
Say "hi" to my cousin Bubba while you are there
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 12:11:59 PM
why don't you just jump on your skateboard and roll on down to Walmart and buy yourself a full-auto AK-47?
Thankfully, we can't.
But the rabid 2A zealots would like every citizen to be able to.
That's terribly unintelligent.
Post by: MrRezister on August 29, 2008, 12:18:15 PM
Thankfully, we can't.
But the rabid 2A zealots would like every citizen to be able to.
That's terribly unintelligent.
Is that anything like the rabid anti's who want us defenseless and completely dependant upon the government for our every need?
That's terribly oppressive.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 12:23:10 PM
Thankfully, we can't.
But the rabid 2A zealots would like every citizen to be able to.
That's terribly unintelligent.
Is that anything like the rabid anti's who want us defenseless and completely dependant upon the government for our every need?
That's terribly oppressive.
It's not even close.
You shouldn't be able to run down to QT and pick up a B.A.R., like shopping for socks, just because you have the jack.
Not having a B.A.R., doesn't make you defenseless.
Post by: Tallpine on August 29, 2008, 12:25:29 PM
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Thankfully, we can't.
So why are you wanting another "assault weapon" ban
That's terribly unintelligent.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 12:26:17 PM
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Thankfully, we can't.
So why are you wanting another "assault weapon" ban
That's terribly unintelligent.
I never indicated such. But:
You shouldn't be able to run down to QT and pick up a B.A.R., like shopping for socks, just because you have the jack.
Not having a B.A.R., doesn't make you defenseless.
Post by: charby on August 29, 2008, 12:33:28 PM
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Thankfully, we can't.
So why are you wanting another "assault weapon" ban
That's terribly unintelligent.
I never indicated such. But:
You shouldn't be able to run down to QT and pick up a B.A.R., like shopping for socks, just because you have the jack.
Not having a B.A.R., doesn't make you defenseless.
Zeke, I know you getting called out on your views related to gun control, but you really haven't given any supporting rationale to your argument.
Tell us why you think someone shouldn't be able to buy a automatic weapon at a big box mart.
Post by: Ezekiel on August 29, 2008, 12:40:00 PM
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Thankfully, we can't.
So why are you wanting another "assault weapon" ban
That's terribly unintelligent.
I never indicated such. But:
You shouldn't be able to run down to QT and pick up a B.A.R., like shopping for socks, just because you have the jack.
Not having a B.A.R., doesn't make you defenseless.
Zeke, I know you getting called out on your views related to gun control, but you really haven't given any supporting rationale to your argument.
Tell us why you think someone shouldn't be able to buy a automatic weapon at a big box mart.
To be able to do so, unilaterally, is inherently dangerous.
Why do we have DL's? Why is there a minimum age restriction for alcohol?
There are segments of the public -- LARGE segments -- that should not be trusted with a .22, let alone a full-auto 7.62x39.
We need to police them. I do not mean by letting everyone ELSE carry whenever/wherever they desire to, that's akin to saying John Q. can all drive tanked and we'll have a free-for-all in society, but by making such things inherently difficult to obtain.
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 12:40:33 PM
You shouldn't be able to run down to QT and pick up a B.A.R., like shopping for socks, just because you have the jack.
Why not ??
(Why do I have this image of Major Pitcairn saying "Disperse you damn rebels !!, Lay down your arms and disperse !! IIRC, it was because the powers that be didn't think that colonists should have a cannon. I mean you don't need a cannon for defense now do you ??)
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 12:41:45 PM
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We need to police them.
I see. So we, ie, you, need to police them. Who is them? Who decides who needs to be policed? Why are YOU included in the WE?
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 12:42:10 PM
You shouldn't be able to run down to QT and pick up a B.A.R., like shopping for socks, just because you have the jack.
You should at least be able to get one at the local gun store, as you can with any other rifle. That is what the second amendment means. Quote
Not having a B.A.R. doesn't make you defenseless.
Neither does not having a revolver. You still have your fists. But self-defense ain't the point. National defense. Read the Bill of Rights, please. Oh, never mind. You already shared with us that you don't know how to read it. Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 12:45:11 PM
Allowing gun control in any way shape or form is allowing gun control - even if only a small amount. Being fine with people not being allowed to purchase firearms they want (in this case, full auto carbines) is gun control, pure and simple. The reasoning behind this, in your own words?
Who decides what the standards are?
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There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
Who decides what the standards are?
The voters? Seems simple, to me.
I also seem to recall that that vote was taken between 1787 and 1791 and every state since then has to voted to follow that law. Here's a link
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 12:50:17 PM
We need to police them. I do not mean by letting everyone ELSE carry whenever/wherever they desire to, that's akin to saying John Q. can all drive tanked and we'll have a free-for-all in society, but by making such things inherently difficult to obtain.
So what are Your standards by which someone can obtain a full auto firearm ??
Post by: Tallpine on August 29, 2008, 01:27:28 PM
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I never indicated such.
But you did ...
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Mitt . . . the guy who came right out and said he supported the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons.
I don't see that as mutually exclusive.
I can respectfully disagree with most people, but you're just being a symbol of the Democratic Party
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 29, 2008, 01:57:19 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 02:01:43 PM
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 29, 2008, 02:05:35 PM
in addition i think the drama of the event was hilarious. obama must haved peeed his pants.
and zeke, in a fight between you and her (verbal or physical), my moneys on her. would you please stop calling her a token. i find it offensive that you would bash an obviously strong and capable women for nothing more then the fact that her sex gives her a neat advantage.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 29, 2008, 02:10:46 PM
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There are segments of the public -- LARGE segments -- that should not be trusted with a .22, let alone a full-auto 7.62x39.
How is a select-fire 7.62x39 so much more dangerous than a semi-auto that it should require licensing?
Or do you think there should be licensing for semi-auto rifles?
Further, to my knowledge the US does not require licensing to own a vehicle, only to drive one on public roads.
Post by: sumpnz on August 29, 2008, 02:17:36 PM
It is nice to finally be able to have a sense of excitement about this race, rather than just a sense of foreboding.
Post by: silliman89 on August 29, 2008, 02:40:43 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on August 29, 2008, 03:25:03 PM
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26197
Check that out! They're all going for this as well! ALL the replies!
If Obama's people read that, they're going to have a panic attack... Bunch of ANGRY mostly women who are now for McCain/Palin due to their treatement by the DNC. Awesome.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 29, 2008, 03:30:54 PM
Post by: Silver Bullet on August 29, 2008, 03:33:42 PM
Allowing gun control in any way shape or form is allowing gun control - even if only a small amount. Being fine with people not being allowed to purchase firearms they want (in this case, full auto carbines) is gun control, pure and simple. The reasoning behind this, in your own words?
Who decides what the standards are?
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There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
Who decides what the standards are?
The voters? Seems simple, to me.
Wrong. That's why we have a Bill of Rights, to prevent tyranny by the majority.
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 29, 2008, 03:36:18 PM
Johnny Mac and team managed to keep the Obamapolis Speech down to about 8 hours in the cycle, and the MSM is effectively forced to give equal time on what should be an afterglow weekend. Absolutely brilliant.
Post by: Boomhauer on August 29, 2008, 03:42:50 PM
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 29, 2008, 04:35:02 PM
Woah...
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26197
Check that out! They're all going for this as well! ALL the replies!
If Obama's people read that, they're going to have a panic attack... Bunch of ANGRY mostly women who are now for McCain/Palin due to their treatement by the DNC. Awesome.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26197
Check that out! They're all going for this as well! ALL the replies!
If Obama's people read that, they're going to have a panic attack... Bunch of ANGRY mostly women who are now for McCain/Palin due to their treatement by the DNC. Awesome.
I got a chuckle from the "Warning: Bitter Christian Clinging To Gun" graphic.
Post by: roo_ster on August 29, 2008, 05:46:31 PM
I've got to hand it to McCain, he is a wilier SOB than I gave him credit for.
Post by: ilbob on August 29, 2008, 06:05:38 PM
Back to where this all started, I think Zeke is right. She was not chosen for her ethiocal stands, her conservative ideals, her position on RKBA or Roe v. Wade. She was chosen because she was a woman that would appeal to the hard core right, many of the RINO's, and some of the women supporters of Hillary. The fact that some us us find her to be a good choice doesn't mean she was chosen for thise reasons...
I think she would be the best president of the bunch of them. McCain has the right temperment but seems inclined toward civility above all else. No one knows much about BHO except he is black and wants change. Biden is well known for his ultra left views.Palin is well regarded among conservatives and libertarians, but not real well known outside that group.
I agree she was chosen for political reasons, including being a woman. Political calculations are a big part of politics.
Post by: MechAg94 on August 29, 2008, 06:24:37 PM
And her husband is a plant operator which certainly can't hurt with the normal guys out there.
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 06:26:32 PM
It's a trainer, not a real M4. Notice the cable running up through the mag well and the emitter in the flash hider. It's part of a shoot/don't shoot computer sim system.
Post by: French G. on August 29, 2008, 06:34:46 PM
Post by: ArfinGreebly on August 29, 2008, 06:51:49 PM
Near as I can tell, it's taken from a video of her actually firing it.
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 07:16:26 PM
While the one above may be a sim, this one, evidently, is not.
Near as I can tell, it's taken from a video of her actually firing it.
Near as I can tell, it's taken from a video of her actually firing it.
Ummm, that's from a video of her shooting the FATS (sim) system.
Here it is.....at about 24 seconds.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFjqZ_vvLNc
This is another good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms2As61MYU
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 29, 2008, 08:13:49 PM
So far at least, Palin also seemed to come off as a normal person. She didn't seem to have that high brow, rich girl, I'm smarter than you attitude when she talked.
And her husband is a plant operator which certainly can't hurt with the normal guys out there.
And her husband is a plant operator which certainly can't hurt with the normal guys out there.
He is also a commercial fisherman and she has gone out on his boat several times.
Post by: Antibubba on August 29, 2008, 08:28:49 PM
And when I say "Sportsmen", I specifically mean that group derisively known as "Fudds"--the folks who consider themselves Hunters before they are Gun Owners, the ones who just know their 30-30 won't be taken away. This is not a woman who dresses up in never-used Filson gear for a photo shoot; this is a woman who has hunted MOOSE, and has gutted and dressed it. I can't wait to see the "trophy" photos! And Alaska is like the American Holy Hunting Grounds.
Let's see how the "Sportsmen for Obama" sputter out a defense now!!
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2008, 08:52:02 PM
There's one other group that her choice will deeply affect: Sportsmen.
And when I say "Sportsmen", I specifically mean that group derisively known as "Fudds"--the folks who consider themselves Hunters before they are Gun Owners, the ones who just know their 30-30 won't be taken away. This is not a woman who dresses up in never-used Filson gear for a photo shoot; this is a woman who has hunted MOOSE, and has gutted and dressed it. I can't wait to see the "trophy" photos! And Alaska is like the American Holy Hunting Grounds.
Let's see how the "Sportsmen for Obama" sputter out a defense now!!
And when I say "Sportsmen", I specifically mean that group derisively known as "Fudds"--the folks who consider themselves Hunters before they are Gun Owners, the ones who just know their 30-30 won't be taken away. This is not a woman who dresses up in never-used Filson gear for a photo shoot; this is a woman who has hunted MOOSE, and has gutted and dressed it. I can't wait to see the "trophy" photos! And Alaska is like the American Holy Hunting Grounds.
Let's see how the "Sportsmen for Obama" sputter out a defense now!!
There's picture of her with a recently deceased Caribou in this thread
I can't wait to see Obama dressed up to crawling through the wood with his trusty double barrel shotgun to go Deer Hunting.......
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 09:14:56 PM
Post by: CombatArmsUSAF on August 29, 2008, 09:15:55 PM
I could not be happier with McCain's pick for VP. I was deathly afraid he was going to pick the Blissninny Romney.
Although I do think that her selection was definitely a "strategic" move.
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 29, 2008, 09:20:49 PM
So besides aircraft what can be considered CombatArms in the Air Force?
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 09:24:39 PM
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The warm words from Mr Obama and Mr Biden were in contrast to earlier remarks by Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton, who suggested Mr McCain's choice of Mrs Palin was irresponsible.
Mr Obama said Mr Burton's remarks had been a "hair trigger" reaction to the announcement and did not reflect his or Mr Biden's true sentiments.
Mr Obama said Mr Burton's remarks had been a "hair trigger" reaction to the announcement and did not reflect his or Mr Biden's true sentiments.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7589399.stm
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 09:26:58 PM
She's only a token to the same extent that every other VP candidate is a token. Like Cheney and Biden are (were) the token experienced guys. And Edwards was the token Southern guy. And Al Gore was the token too-boring-to-be-a-glib-philanderer guy.
The point being, no one really expects the VP to do much of anything, so he's mainly a sop to whichever "community" the Pres candidate doesn't resemble.
Post by: agricola on August 29, 2008, 09:30:33 PM
RE: Palin as a token
She's only a token to the same extent that every other VP candidate is a token. Like Cheney and Biden are (were) the token experienced guys. And Edwards was the token Southern guy. And Al Gore was the token too-boring-to-be-a-glib-philanderer guy.
The point being, no one really expects the VP to do much of anything, so he's mainly a sop to whichever "community" the Pres candidate doesn't resemble.
She's only a token to the same extent that every other VP candidate is a token. Like Cheney and Biden are (were) the token experienced guys. And Edwards was the token Southern guy. And Al Gore was the token too-boring-to-be-a-glib-philanderer guy.
The point being, no one really expects the VP to do much of anything, so he's mainly a sop to whichever "community" the Pres candidate doesn't resemble.
Indeed. I do dislike however the endless spin by the media (on behalf of BHO) that this is a sop to women - its not, since IMHO its a sop to you lot.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 09:38:39 PM
Woah...
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26197
If Obama's people read that, they're going to have a panic attack... Bunch of ANGRY mostly women who are now for McCain/Palin due to their treatement by the DNC. Awesome.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26197
If Obama's people read that, they're going to have a panic attack... Bunch of ANGRY mostly women who are now for McCain/Palin due to their treatement by the DNC. Awesome.
More on that. A TV interview with the head (I think) of that PUMA group.
http://blog.pumapac.org/
Operation Chaos lives!! Rush Limbaugh is the man!
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 09:43:31 PM
I do dislike however the endless spin by the media (on behalf of BHO) that this is a sop to women - its not, since IMHO its a sop to you lot.
As Ezekiel pointed out; it's both. What I don't understand is, since she's no more a token than anyone else, why he brought it up. Unless he's just trying to annoy us all. Surely not.
Interesting thing, though. If one wishes to cynically view her as nothing more than a token girl, then musn't one view Obama much more as a token Black guy? Plucked from obscurity, with no credentials, to be the President of the U.S? And this from the party that told us for eight years that Bush was just a puppet, with Cheney holding the strings? These people are such a study in transference, it's just become a satire.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2008, 10:12:18 PM
Allowing gun control in any way shape or form is allowing gun control - even if only a small amount. Being fine with people not being allowed to purchase firearms they want (in this case, full auto carbines) is gun control, pure and simple. The reasoning behind this, in your own words?
Who decides what the standards are?
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There is stratification in America, and there should be a standard -- beyond breathing -- to legally obtain such powerful tools. (I'm pretty certain that most of America agrees.) Not everyone deserves them.
Who decides what the standards are?
The voters? Seems simple, to me.
Wrong. That's why we have a Bill of Rights, to prevent tyranny by the majority.
OWNED!!
Post by: wacki on August 29, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
I really hope this woman is as good as she seems on the surface. Can you imagine having a NRA life member as VP and possibly even POTUS in the future? It will be a HUGE HUGE victory for us.
Post by: RocketMan on August 29, 2008, 11:49:44 PM
I'd really like to see her, or someone like her, as POTUS, but it won't happen this go-round.
Once the MSM gets their collective feet back under them, they will start spinning the (tempest in a teapot) ethics charges that were leveled against her, and her perceived lack of experience, into huge negatives, and the initial excitement will be gone.
BHO is the MSM's candidate, they will not let him lose.
McCain might get a bounce of a few points over the next week or so, but it will dissipate and settle back into a 5-6 point lead for BHO that will carry him through the election.
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 30, 2008, 12:04:50 AM
Palin was a great choice for McCain's VP. But she won't win the election for him.
I'd really like to see her, or someone like her, as POTUS. But it won't happen this go-round.
Once the MSM gets their collective feet back under them, they will start spinning the (tempest in a teapot) ethics charges and her perceived lack of experience, and the initial excitement will be gone.
BHO is the MSM's candidate.
McCain might get a bounce of a few points over the next week or so, but it will dissapate and settle back into a 5-6 point lead for BHO that will carry him through the election.
I largely agree with you, but this is the only thing McCain has done to motivate the base. He has to get the base out on 11/4 to win. It has also helped with women. Palin's story resonates on many levels. If she holds up under the lens, this could be huge.
I'd really like to see her, or someone like her, as POTUS. But it won't happen this go-round.
Once the MSM gets their collective feet back under them, they will start spinning the (tempest in a teapot) ethics charges and her perceived lack of experience, and the initial excitement will be gone.
BHO is the MSM's candidate.
McCain might get a bounce of a few points over the next week or so, but it will dissapate and settle back into a 5-6 point lead for BHO that will carry him through the election.
Post by: PTK on August 30, 2008, 12:41:49 AM
I too am a lifelong democrat that got thrown under the bus by my party of 22 yrs and by Barack Obama and his merry band of 12yr old followers.I will be voting McCain/Palin and am damn proud to do so!!!!
Honestly, it seems that for the past 8 years or so, Democrats have been doing the "dirty work" of getting people to open their eyes for the Republicans. They could at least be wise enough to wait until AFTER getting into power to start tossing people under the bus...
Post by: Teknoid on August 30, 2008, 03:29:48 AM
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Also, when she got into office, she fired her cook and driver, because she said she can cook and drive herself. Her own vehicle she already had, I think it was a Cherokee.
Is that true? Got a source? I do:
http://www.alaskamagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=876&Itemid=141
[SNIP]
Watching her everyday life, its easy to forget Palin is the governor, a quality that unnerves her security detail. She likes to go running alone. She often walks down the road to meet Pipers school bus. And although she could have a driver with her at all times, she often prefers driving herself.
I know I dont need a chauffeur, thats for sure, she said. Their time can be better spent elsewhere. I watch people slogging through a slushy parking lot to get to a building and I know I should be doing the same thing. Also, I do like getting to just chill for a 10-minute drive into (Wasilla), or my commute into Anchorage. Its nice and quiet, and private.
[SNIP]
[SNIP]
In the end, Palin is a practical, real-life person applying the rules of everyday life to government. When she laid off the chef at the governors mansion, it was not because of poor performance; she simply didnt need one.
She told me, I get home from the capital at 9, 10 oclock. I can warm up something myself, Heath said. The lady was a good cook, but the kids would rather have a hot dog than a gourmet crab cake.
Bristol, upon returning from a shopping trip in Anchorage, received Palins nod of approval for the $15 dress she bought for the nights gala they were about to attend. No need for a $300 gown, Palin said.
But when Bristol revealed she spent $30 on leg waxing That was supposed to be gas money, Todd Palin said disapprovinglythe governor wasnt too happy, either.
Thats a waste of money, she said. You have razors.
[SNIP]
Seems pretty down to earth and sensible. The article is pretty good.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 30, 2008, 03:34:12 AM
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Can you imagine having a NRA life member as VP and possibly even POTUS in the future?
You mean like Bush Sr.?
Post by: 3fgburner on August 30, 2008, 04:29:33 AM
Post by: longeyes on August 30, 2008, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: agricola on August 30, 2008, 07:38:11 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/opinion/30continetti.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Post by: longeyes on August 30, 2008, 09:44:31 AM
I wouldn't call this exactly "reasonably balanced."
Post by: roo_ster on August 30, 2008, 10:27:54 AM
Anyways, all you prospective immigrants, Steyn has your number...
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODNhOTk2YTU0NWY4ZjY5ODNhZTgyOWZkNjY5YjFlMmY=
The hostess with the moosest [Mark Steyn]
Over in the Frumistan province of the NR caliphate, our pal David is not happy about the Palin pick. I am - for several reasons.
First, Governor Palin is not merely, as Jay describes her, "all-American", but hyper-American. What other country in the developed world produces beauty queens who hunt caribou and serve up a terrific moose stew? As an immigrant, I'm not saying I came to the United States purely to meet chicks like that, but it was certainly high on my list of priorities. And for the gun-totin' Miss Wasilla then to go on to become Governor while having five kids makes it an even more uniquely American story. Next to her resume, a guy who's done nothing but serve in the phony-baloney job of "community organizer" and write multiple autobiographies looks like just another creepily self-absorbed lifelong member of the full-time political class that infests every advanced democracy.
Second, it can't be in Senator Obama's interest for the punditocracy to spends its time arguing about whether the Republicans' vice-presidential pick is "even more" inexperienced than the Democrats' presidential one.
Third, real people don't define "experience" as appearing on unwatched Sunday-morning talk shows every week for 35 years and having been around long enough to have got both the War on Terror and the Cold War wrong. (On the first point, at the Gun Owners of New Hampshire dinner in the 2000 campaign, I remember Orrin Hatch telling me sadly that he was stunned to discover how few Granite State voters knew who he was.) Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are more or less the same age, but Governor Palin has run a state and a town and a commercial fishing operation, whereas (to reprise a famous line on the Rev Jackson) Senator Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth. She's done the stuff he's merely a poseur about. Post-partisan? She took on her own party's corrupt political culture directly while Obama was sucking up to Wright and Ayers and being just another get-along Chicago machine pol (see his campaign's thuggish attempt to throttle Stanley Kurtz and Milt Rosenberg on WGN the other night).
Fourth, Governor Palin has what the British Labour Party politician Denis Healy likes to call a "hinterland" - a life beyond politics. Whenever Senator Obama attempts anything non-political (such as bowling), he comes over like a visiting dignitary to a foreign country getting shanghaied into some impenetrable local folk ritual. Sarah Palin isn't just on the right side of the issues intellectually. She won't need the usual stage-managed "hunting" trip to reassure gun owners: she's lived the Second Amendment all her life. Likewise, on abortion, we're often told it's easy to be against it in principle but what if you were a woman facing a difficult birth or a handicapped child? Been there, done that.
Fifth, she complicates all the laziest Democrat pieties. Energy? Unlike Biden and Obama, she's been to ANWR and, like most Alaskans, supports drilling there.
Sixth (see Kathleen's link to Craig Ferguson below), I kinda like the whole naughty librarian vibe.
Post by: Intune on August 30, 2008, 11:13:28 AM
Post by: Ezekiel on August 30, 2008, 01:09:26 PM
As Ezekiel pointed out; it's both. What I don't understand is, since she's no more a token than anyone else, why he brought it up.
Because to NOT bring it up implies a level of fear in stating the obvious, merely because she is a woman.
She is a token, that happens to -- in theory -- bring in a badly desired vote segment.
So was LBJ, but nobody was afraid to say it.
Post by: longeyes on August 30, 2008, 04:25:54 PM
Post by: GigaBuist on August 30, 2008, 07:29:18 PM
So was LBJ, but nobody was afraid to say it.
Could you explain that one a bit further? I'm very interested.
Post by: RevDisk on August 30, 2008, 07:51:34 PM
McCain just hit a grand slam and I'm gonna go on record right here & now and predict that Biden will make a political gaffe and the big "O" will regretfully accept Joe's resignation and announce Hillary as the V.P. nominee. Anything less and the Dem's ticket is sunk.
You would not want to be the President if Hillary was your VP. Unhealthy, that.
Add me to the list of Dems that are voting Republican for the first time. Does boiling water take away the evil feeling?
Post by: agricola on August 30, 2008, 09:38:24 PM
Post by: stevelyn on August 30, 2008, 10:37:35 PM
Anyone know where she stands on Real ID and the Patriot Act?
She is challenging REAL ID and Alaska has passed legislation prohibiting state and local agencies from participating or assisting in PATRIOT Act investigations. However, I don't remeber if it were she or Frank Murkowski that signed it.
Post by: stevelyn on August 30, 2008, 11:19:25 PM
My first post at APS. I was getting sick of THR's rules on politics. Though they are a great forum, I just think that banning political discussion at this very important time for our gun rights to be an intelligent decision. That being said:
I could not be happier with McCain's pick for VP. I was deathly afraid he was going to pick the Blissninny Romney.
Although I do think that her selection was definitely a "strategic" move.
I could not be happier with McCain's pick for VP. I was deathly afraid he was going to pick the Blissninny Romney.
Although I do think that her selection was definitely a "strategic" move.
Well Combat Zoomie,
APS exists because at one time we were all over at THR participating in a politics furball that got a bit contentious at times. Creating APS and sending us over here to discuss political matters took a little starch out of us and the discussions have a little more substance and way fewer personal attacks.
Welcome aboard.
Post by: taurusowner on August 30, 2008, 11:24:55 PM
Post by: xavier fremboe on August 31, 2008, 12:00:36 AM
Post by: Antibubba on August 31, 2008, 01:08:54 AM
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McCain just hit a grand slam and I'm gonna go on record right here & now and predict that Biden will make a political gaffe and the big "O" will regretfully accept Joe's resignation and announce Hillary as the V.P. nominee. Anything less and the Dem's ticket is sunk.
That kind of "gaffe" would be unprecedented and would sink the ticket anyway. And let's be very clear on one thing: Obama and Hillary are not just political rivals. They despise each other. I'll be the first to say I don't want Senator Lady Macbeth standing behind me, but he's already shut her out; there is NO WAY his pride would let him change his mind now, and pick her. At this point, I'm not sure she'd bail him out, knowing she'll be in a very good position to run in 2012.
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Hey, a token is a shell, someone put in place because they meet the demographic. Palin might not be known, but she's no lightweight. In Alaska, they call her Sarah Barricuda.
Post by: agricola on August 31, 2008, 02:38:12 AM
http://www.alan.com/2008/08/29/conservative-family-values/
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 31, 2008, 04:44:14 AM
I suppose the next question is - should Alan Colmes be fired? From a huge cannon into the sun?
http://www.alan.com/2008/08/29/conservative-family-values/
http://www.alan.com/2008/08/29/conservative-family-values/
What the hell is this? The 17th century?
Post by: Monkeyleg on August 31, 2008, 05:48:15 AM
Post by: Intune on August 31, 2008, 07:33:39 AM
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You would not want to be the President if Hillary was your VP. Unhealthy, that.
RD, I had totally forgotten about those poor souls who have been clintonized. 
Dang, sorry Big "O." That was a close one...
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 31, 2008, 07:47:29 AM
So was LBJ, but nobody was afraid to say it.
Could you explain that one a bit further? I'm very interested.
i was around then and don't remember the word token being used
Post by: Matthew Carberry on August 31, 2008, 01:43:16 PM
Joe K. Sr. had already bought the NorthEast.
Post by: Gewehr98 on August 31, 2008, 02:45:16 PM
Post by: RocketMan on August 31, 2008, 02:50:12 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on August 31, 2008, 03:23:43 PM
McCain just hit a grand slam and I'm gonna go on record right here & now and predict that Biden will make a political gaffe and the big "O" will regretfully accept Joe's resignation and announce Hillary as the V.P. nominee. Anything less and the Dem's ticket is sunk.
You would not want to be the President if Hillary was your VP. Unhealthy, that.
Add me to the list of Dems that are voting Republican for the first time. Does boiling water take away the evil feeling?
Just don't scrub too hard. And maybe start hitting the sauce a little harder.
Post by: agricola on August 31, 2008, 03:25:25 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/william_rees_mogg/article4647709.ece
Post by: lupinus on August 31, 2008, 06:31:48 PM
Bogie, I need this on a bumper sticker, posthaste:
I'd so buy one
Post by: KBHeiner7 on August 31, 2008, 06:43:24 PM
The voters? Seems simple, to me.
Wrong. Voters should not be able to change rights explicitly listed in the bill of rights.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on August 31, 2008, 06:43:53 PM
Coming across less shrill voiced conversationally than the yelling she was doing at the convention. (that was another negative thing folks were pointing at, but was situational not typical)
Coming across knowledgeable but natural, not "lecturey". Showing ANWR and the industry.
I don't want to sound all "boostery" but more and more I think this will end well.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on August 31, 2008, 09:14:39 PM
Good god. No shame with these people.
Post by: RevDisk on August 31, 2008, 10:52:52 PM
McCain just hit a grand slam and I'm gonna go on record right here & now and predict that Biden will make a political gaffe and the big "O" will regretfully accept Joe's resignation and announce Hillary as the V.P. nominee. Anything less and the Dem's ticket is sunk.
You would not want to be the President if Hillary was your VP. Unhealthy, that.
Add me to the list of Dems that are voting Republican for the first time. Does boiling water take away the evil feeling?
Just don't scrub too hard. And maybe start hitting the sauce a little harder.
Will vodka do it? Or should I switch to grain on election day? Is there anything with a higher proof than grain?
Post by: Antibubba on September 01, 2008, 03:21:37 AM
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Is there anything with a higher proof than grain?
Well, if you're voting Republican for the first time, you might want to add in prayer. It's the drug of choice for many.
Post by: onebigelf on September 01, 2008, 04:23:37 AM
Zeke,
She's been a kick ass and take names, no-nonsense governor. She's had the honesty and itegrity to take on the corruption and sleaze at both the local and state level. NRA life member, pro-life, hunts, fishes, pilot mother of 5 (including one with Down's Syndrome). Has the track record and more experience then BHO as an executive (Mayor and Governor).
She's been a kick ass and take names, no-nonsense governor. She's had the honesty and itegrity to take on the corruption and sleaze at both the local and state level. NRA life member, pro-life, hunts, fishes, pilot mother of 5 (including one with Down's Syndrome). Has the track record and more experience then BHO as an executive (Mayor and Governor).
The experience issue is no problem. When they hit her on the fact that she's been governor for a year, point out the BHO has only been a senator for 3 yrs.... and Palin actually shows up for work every day.
John
Post by: longeyes on September 01, 2008, 06:48:57 AM
Commanding Alaska's Guard w/ 24/7 missile defense
Posted By Uncle Jimbo
One area of Sarah Palin's background that may help her is Alaska's unique role in our national security and homeland defense.
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. Itâ¬"s on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's.
She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.
Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about.
According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.
She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.
Her experience in keeping the homeland safe fits perfectly with her image as the competent American woman.It's not the same as having your finger on the button, but it a heckuva lot closer than Biden or Barry O has ever been.
It will be tremendous fun to watch a couple of complete political tools like the Hope&Change duo attempt to attack a record of substance not words, a record of action not bloviation, a record of kicking ass and taking names against what now.......?
Photo: Soldiers of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion defend America from an intercontinental ballistic missile threat 24 hours a day, seven days a week, while maintaining competency in all warrior tasks. (Photo by Sgt. Jack W. Carlson III, Unit Reporter, 49th Missile Defense Battalion.)
503.243.1011
Post by: Ezekiel on September 01, 2008, 10:34:24 AM
So was LBJ, but nobody was afraid to say it.
Could you explain that one a bit further? I'm very interested.
Kennedy desperately needed the Southern vote: ANY of it. LBJ could arrange some of that.
LBJ was not Kennedy's preferred choice. Much like McCain's choice, what you had was the top-flight application of pragmatic politics. Each candidate required an individual based upon certain merits, neither of which had much to do beyond demographics.
Post by: Ezekiel on September 01, 2008, 10:40:02 AM
For those asking about LBJ, there's an interesting column at Townhall.com here.
That was a great read.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on September 01, 2008, 11:05:24 AM
McCain just hit a grand slam and I'm gonna go on record right here & now and predict that Biden will make a political gaffe and the big "O" will regretfully accept Joe's resignation and announce Hillary as the V.P. nominee. Anything less and the Dem's ticket is sunk.
You would not want to be the President if Hillary was your VP. Unhealthy, that.
Add me to the list of Dems that are voting Republican for the first time. Does boiling water take away the evil feeling?
Just don't scrub too hard. And maybe start hitting the sauce a little harder.
Will vodka do it? Or should I switch to grain on election day? Is there anything with a higher proof than grain?
Just a couple shots to settle your nerves when you pull the lever (can't vote if visibly intoxicated I believe), don't down the bottle until after. Hopefully you'll wake up feeling so horrible you won't remember the actual voting until it's over either way.
Post by: agricola on September 01, 2008, 11:07:38 AM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on September 01, 2008, 11:21:54 AM
Is anyone else starting to be a little disturbed about how negative these people are going on her? Not in a "you cant do that to a woman" way, but rather how much mud is being thrown in so short a space of time - I am struggling to think of a recent precedent, and its almost as if they smell blood.
They aren't throwing mud because they smell blood, they are throwing rocks to try to draw it.
Palin doesn't seem to have a lot of solid angles they can attack. Her "scandals" are picayune and she really isn't too far out of the middle American model, even her "extreme" positions only seem so to idealogues.
In my opinion, the more she talks, the better she is going to look to the undecided and moderates.
Post by: agricola on September 01, 2008, 11:24:11 AM
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Jake Tapper: Governor Palin and her husband issued a statement today saying that their 17 year old daughter Bristol who is unmarried is 5 months pregnant. Do you have a comment?
BO: I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think peoples families are off limits, and peoples children are especially off limits. This shouldnt be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palins performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldnt be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.
Jeff Zeleny: an unnamed McCain advisor as reported on Reuters that the despicable rumors have been spread on blogs some even with Barack Obamas name on them.
BO: I am offended by that statement, there is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat, we dont go after peoples families, we dont get them involved in the politics, it is not appropriate and it is not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was involved in something like that they would be fired. Ok. Alright guys. Thank you.
BO: I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think peoples families are off limits, and peoples children are especially off limits. This shouldnt be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palins performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldnt be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.
Jeff Zeleny: an unnamed McCain advisor as reported on Reuters that the despicable rumors have been spread on blogs some even with Barack Obamas name on them.
BO: I am offended by that statement, there is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat, we dont go after peoples families, we dont get them involved in the politics, it is not appropriate and it is not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was involved in something like that they would be fired. Ok. Alright guys. Thank you.
(via http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/ )
Post by: Boomhauer on September 01, 2008, 11:25:03 AM
Is anyone else starting to be a little disturbed about how negative these people are going on her? Not in a "you cant do that to a woman" way, but rather how much mud is being thrown in so short a space of time - I am struggling to think of a recent precedent, and its almost as if they smell blood.
I think they are scared. She is everything a leftist is not, and she scares many on the Republican side (because she has contempt for what politicians do). She is the kind of person that wants to take back the gov't for the American people, and that scares the ones that would prefer the status quo of screwing us over.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on September 01, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Obama seems at least to have realised these attacks will inevitably damage himself:
(via http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/ )
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Jake Tapper: Governor Palin and her husband issued a statement today saying that their 17 year old daughter Bristol who is unmarried is 5 months pregnant. Do you have a comment?
BO: I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think peoples families are off limits, and peoples children are especially off limits. This shouldnt be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palins performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldnt be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.
Jeff Zeleny: an unnamed McCain advisor as reported on Reuters that the despicable rumors have been spread on blogs some even with Barack Obamas name on them.
BO: I am offended by that statement, there is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat, we dont go after peoples families, we dont get them involved in the politics, it is not appropriate and it is not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was involved in something like that they would be fired. Ok. Alright guys. Thank you.
BO: I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think peoples families are off limits, and peoples children are especially off limits. This shouldnt be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palins performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldnt be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.
Jeff Zeleny: an unnamed McCain advisor as reported on Reuters that the despicable rumors have been spread on blogs some even with Barack Obamas name on them.
BO: I am offended by that statement, there is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat, we dont go after peoples families, we dont get them involved in the politics, it is not appropriate and it is not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was involved in something like that they would be fired. Ok. Alright guys. Thank you.
(via http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/ )
Good for him. I do believe he is sincere on this topic. I disagree with him, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of cad who would authorize attacks.
Although the attacks will continue to come, even if not from his campaign (cough Huff Post, Daily Kos cough), and he will get slimed with them.
Post by: roo_ster on September 01, 2008, 04:01:34 PM
Post by: GigaBuist on September 01, 2008, 04:21:17 PM
Considering BHO's mother was 18 when she had him, I can imagine such an attack might seem out of line to him.
He mentioned that his mother had him at 18 tonight in some impromptu interview. Definitely showing some class here.
Post by: Manedwolf on September 01, 2008, 04:22:29 PM
Considering BHO's mother was 18 when she had him, I can imagine such an attack might seem out of line to him.
He mentioned that his mother had him at 18 tonight in some impromptu interview. Definitely showing some class here.
Or just pretending to, while his operatives are allowed to smear at will.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 01, 2008, 04:37:27 PM
Considering BHO's mother was 18 when she had him, I can imagine such an attack might seem out of line to him.
He mentioned that his mother had him at 18 tonight in some impromptu interview. Definitely showing some class here.
That doesn't mean other Democrat's won't happily do it for him.
If none of the Democrat surrogate attack dogs comment on this story, and if the media drops the story in a day, then I'll believe that Obama is sincere about wanting to keep this out of the race. Call me cynical, but until then, I'll believe that he's just being a typical two-faced politician.
Post by: Antibubba on September 01, 2008, 07:08:13 PM
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Is anyone else starting to be a little disturbed about how negative these people are going on her?
*munch munch munch* Popcorn needs more butter.
She's a big girl. She'll be okay. Besides, she's going to be living in Washington--she might as well get used to Category 3 sewage now.
Post by: agricola on September 02, 2008, 05:01:01 AM
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2YzODI3MGE3OTU0Yjg5ZDY5YmFjZmE3MmFiOWE4ZjQ=
Post by: Ben on September 02, 2008, 05:27:15 AM
Post by: roo_ster on September 02, 2008, 05:37:37 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin&printer=1;_ylt=AjqrB9pj2F1L58H5BF5iTq5h24cA
McCain vetter defends Palin review
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press WriterTue Sep 2, 7:28 AM ET
Sarah Palin voluntarily told John McCain's campaign about her pregnant teenage daughter and her husband's 2-decade-old DUI arrest during questioning as part of the Republican's vice presidential search, the lawyer who conducted the background review said.
The Alaska governor also greatly detailed the dismissal of the state's public safety commissioner that has touched off a legislative investigation, Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. told The Associated Press in an interview Monday.
Palin underwent a "full and complete" background examination before McCain chose her as his running mate, Culvahouse said. Asked whether everything that came up as a possible red flag during the review already has been made public, he said: "I think so. Yah, I think so. Correct."
McCain's campaign has been trying to tamp down questions about whether the Arizona senator adequately researched his surprise vice presidential selection or whether he chose the first-term governor without fully looking into her background.
Nicolle Wallace, a senior McCain adviser, told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday that Palin disclosed her daughter's pregnancy during the vetting process, and that the McCain campaign had been forced to reveal the pregnancy publicly Monday because of "lewd and outrageously false rumors" spread by "Democratic-leaning blogs and a few in the mainstream" media. She did not identify them.
Since McCain publicly disclosed his running mate on Friday, the notion of a shoddy, rushed review has been stoked repeatedly.
First, a campaign-issued timeline said McCain initially met Palin in February, then held one phone conversation with her last week before inviting her to Arizona, where he met with her a second time and offered her the job Thursday.
Then came the campaign's disclosure that Palin's unmarried 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was pregnant. The father is Levi Johnston, who has been a hockey player at Bristol's high school, The New York Post and The New York Daily News reported in their Tuesday editions.
In addition, the campaign also disclosed that Palin's husband, Todd, then age 22, was arrested in 1986 in Alaska for driving under the influence of alcohol.
Shortly after Palin was named to the ticket, McCain's campaign dispatched a team of a dozen communications operatives and lawyers to Alaska. That fueled speculation that a comprehensive examination of Palin's record and past was incomplete and being done only after she was placed on the ticket.
Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser, said no matter who the nominee was, the campaign was ready to send a "jump team" to the No. 2's home state to work with the nominee's staff, work with the local media and help handle requests from the national media for information, and answer questions about documents that were part of the review.
At several points throughout the process, McCain's team warned Palin that the scrutiny into her private life would be intense and that there was nothing she could do to prepare for it.
Culvahouse disclosed details of his examination in a half-hour interview with the AP.
First, a team of some 25 people working under Culvahouse culled information from public sources for Palin and other prospective candidates without their knowledge. For all, news reports, speeches, financial and tax return disclosures, litigation, investigations, ethical charges, marriages and divorces were reviewed.
For Palin specifically, the team studied online archives of the state's largest newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News, but didn't request paper archives for Palin's hometown newspaper. "I made the decision that we could not get it done and maintain secrecy," Culvahouse said.
Reports, 40-some pages and single-spaced, on each candidate then were reviewed by McCain, Schmidt, campaign manager Rick Davis and top advisers Mark Salter and Charlie Black.
Among the details McCain's campaign found: Palin had once received a citation for fishing without a license.
Palin, like others on the short list, then was sent a personal data questionnaire with 70 "very intrusive" questions, Culvahouse said. She also was asked to submit a number of years of federal and state tax returns, as well as any controversial articles she had written or interviews she had done. The campaign also checked her credit.
Then, Culvahouse conducted a nearly three-hour-long interview.
He said the first thing she volunteered was that her daughter was pregnant, and she also quickly disclosed her husband's DUI arrest.
Early on, the public search unearthed details of the investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that Palin ordered the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper.
Culvahouse said that he asked follow-up questions during the interview, and "spent a lot of time with her lawyer" on the matter.
"We came out of it knowing all that we could know at the time," he said.
As for the financial records review, Culvahouse said: "It was very clean. We had no issues there."
Throughout the process, the campaign said, Davis had multiple conversations with Palin.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 02, 2008, 12:05:14 PM
As Ezekiel pointed out; it's both. What I don't understand is, since she's no more a token than anyone else, why he brought it up.
Because to NOT bring it up implies a level of fear in stating the obvious, merely because she is a woman.
Ha! So I guess you can show me where you pointed out that H. Clinton and Obama were tokens, too, right? Since neither has more experience than Palin. Then show me where you pointed out that one-term Edwards was also a token. You weren't afraid, I hope.
Or just give it up.
Post by: Ezekiel on September 02, 2008, 02:07:30 PM
As Ezekiel pointed out; it's both. What I don't understand is, since she's no more a token than anyone else, why he brought it up.
Because to NOT bring it up implies a level of fear in stating the obvious, merely because she is a woman.
Ha! So I guess you can show me where you pointed out that H. Clinton and Obama were tokens, too, right? Since neither has more experience than Palin. Then show me where you pointed out that one-term Edwards was also a token. You weren't afraid, I hope.
Or just give it up.
I believe those two are properly vetted -- voted for -- individuals and not knee-jerk nominations by a desperate old man to fill a dearly needed demographic.
His staff was screaming, "find me a right-wing female who might appease the radicals and the Clintonistas."
They found her.
TOKEN.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 02, 2008, 02:15:09 PM
Post by: agricola on September 02, 2008, 02:21:57 PM
As Ezekiel pointed out; it's both. What I don't understand is, since she's no more a token than anyone else, why he brought it up.
Because to NOT bring it up implies a level of fear in stating the obvious, merely because she is a woman.
Ha! So I guess you can show me where you pointed out that H. Clinton and Obama were tokens, too, right? Since neither has more experience than Palin. Then show me where you pointed out that one-term Edwards was also a token. You weren't afraid, I hope.
Or just give it up.
I believe those two are properly vetted -- voted for -- individuals and not knee-jerk nominations by a desperate old man to fill a dearly needed demographic.
His staff was screaming, "find me a right-wing female who might appease the radicals and the Clintonistas."
They found her.
TOKEN.
Yes, Hillary was properly vetted - thats why she was able to show how well she had done under sniper fire. Obama was properly vetted as well, since he has had absolutely no problems with his church. Or the buying of his house. Or who he associated with when he was starting his political career.
This "she wasnt properly vetted" line is one that the Dems have managed to push into the media spotlight. Please have the intelligence to realise this, and also to realise that its nonsensical.
At its heart, of course, the line relies on the belief that a woman who has a pregnant teenage daughter, who is under an investigation (ie: not found guilty of anything, since I hear you still believe in innocence until proven guilty) in her home state (which was national news, dont forget), whose husband has a twenty-year old arrest for DUI, who has committed the cardinal sin of changing her opinion on an issue (we all know Obama, Hillary, McCain, Biden and nearly every other politician in the world never did that, right?) and who is alleged to have been the member of an entirely legal third party in Alaska fifteen years ago is not suitable to be a Presidential candidate.
edit: Oh, and we are also supposed to imply that they wouldnt have done exactly the same hatchet job on Romney, or Pawlenty, or any of the other picks (except Lieberman, I dont think they would have had to do anything there).
Post by: roo_ster on September 02, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
TOKEN.
I am reminded of a bit out of The Princess Bride:
Vizzini: HE DIDN'T FALL? INCONCEIVABLE.
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Calling LBJ a token is also a misuse, unless Lloyd Bentson on the Dukkakis/Bentson ticket was a token.
Most tickets are a balancing act* attempting to appeal to the largest number of voters come election day.
* The only recent exception being Clinton/Gore, as both were "moderate" Dems from southern states.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 02, 2008, 03:07:15 PM
Post by: Boomhauer on September 02, 2008, 05:08:54 PM
Classy.
Post by: Ezekiel on September 02, 2008, 05:46:33 PM
Calling LBJ a token is also a misuse, unless Lloyd Bentson on the Dukkakis/Bentson ticket was a token.
A reasonable person could not possibly believe otherwise.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 02, 2008, 08:20:54 PM
As Ezekiel pointed out; it's both. What I don't understand is, since she's no more a token than anyone else, why he brought it up.
Because to NOT bring it up implies a level of fear in stating the obvious, merely because she is a woman.
Ha! So I guess you can show me where you pointed out that H. Clinton and Obama were tokens, too, right? Since neither has more experience than Palin. Then show me where you pointed out that one-term Edwards was also a token. You weren't afraid, I hope.
Or just give it up.
I believe those two are properly vetted -- voted for -- individuals and not knee-jerk nominations by a desperate old man to fill a dearly needed demographic.
His staff was screaming, "find me a right-wing female who might appease the radicals and the Clintonistas."
They found her.
TOKEN.
You so funny.
The other day you said she was a neo-con, and now you say she's a right-winger. She can't be both at the same time. You just kill me. And as I have explained, if Palin is a token, Obama is even more of a token. He was vetted and voted for, but only AFTER the party built a cult around him.
So where did you declare Edwards a token? Or were you trembling with fear? It's gotta be one or the other.
Post by: roo_ster on September 03, 2008, 02:38:38 AM
Calling LBJ a token is also a misuse, unless Lloyd Bentson on the Dukkakis/Bentson ticket was a token.
A reasonable person could not possibly believe otherwise.
Ah, you use "token" like many folks use "racist."
IOW, you stretch and distort it beyond its accepted definition so that everyone, everywhere (including yourself) is a token.
In the end, it becomes useless, meaningless cant because if everyone is a token, the word describes nothing unique about any particular individual.
Post by: GigaBuist on September 03, 2008, 07:44:17 AM
Ah, now they are stooping to identity theft.
Classy.
Classy.
That's not identity theft.
Post by: ArfinGreebly on September 03, 2008, 01:03:24 PM
Anyone tracking this?
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 03, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
Post by: Ezekiel on September 03, 2008, 04:54:40 PM
She speaks tonight at 9:00, I think.
Depending upon where you are in the country.
It is 9:00 PM in KC, MO, and Rudy isn't even on, yet.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 03, 2008, 05:02:39 PM
http://www.gopconvention2008.com/schedule/
Palin was scheduled speak at the the tail end of the 9:00 to 10:00 hour. They've been taking things somewhat out of order, and they seem to be a few minutes behind schedule. Looks like she's up next, though.
Post by: Ezekiel on September 03, 2008, 06:17:17 PM
It's going to get nasty.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 03, 2008, 06:20:07 PM
They buried her for two days -- ducking a plethora of news issues -- and she comes out and performs the litany of Reagan, attack dog, "we are the law," pander-to-the-Right Wing speech with some gravitas. (Impressive.)
It's going to get nasty.
Nasty indeed. This woman is a disaster for Obama and the Democrats. We've seen them try to destroy the poor woman and her family, but I'm afraid it's only going worse. She's too great a threat for them to leave her alone.
It's going to get nasty.
Post by: Ezekiel on September 03, 2008, 06:27:50 PM
They buried her for two days -- ducking a plethora of news issues -- and she comes out and performs the litany of Reagan, attack dog, "we are the law," pander-to-the-Right Wing speech with some gravitas. (Impressive.)
It's going to get nasty.
Nasty indeed. This woman is a disaster for Obama and the Democrats. We've seen them try to destroy the poor woman and her family, but I'm afraid it's only going worse. She's too great a threat for them to leave her alone.It's going to get nasty.
Any "disaster" will be based upon the veracity of any statements made against her: The Enquirer, of all publications, has proven quite adept, recently.
I think she winds up burying the McCain campaign, either by being Swift-boated and/or championing a duly unpalatable, Right-Wing, Republicanism. (Can McCain win without selling his soul to such types?)
A, pilfered, attempt at a Palin scandal compendium:
1. Lack of experience hypocrisy. McCain spent the entire summer attacking Obama over his lack of experience, and then picked a far less experienced politician for his running mate. McCain's 2008 presidential campaign actually started before Palin took office.
2. A reformer under investigation. Palin is being sold as a reformer, even though she is currently facing an ethics probe (from other Republicans), and recently hired a lawyer to help her with that investigation. She is probably guilty too, considering that she did the exact same thing when she was a mayor. However, it wasn't illegal when she fired people for political purposes as a mayor. While occupying the governor's mansion, I believe it is.
3. Family values: Her 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Not only did Palin thus expose her daughter to endless humiliation in front of the entire world by accepting the slot, but it isn't even clear if Palin told the McCain campaign about the situation before she accepted the slot. Oh, and Palin opposes birth control, even for married couples.
4. Extreme right-winger: Even though she is being sold to moderates, it turns out she is an extremely hard-core wingnut, supporting Pat Buchannan and a whole host of other disturbing things.
5. Deep ties to Alaska pork: Palin claims she opposed "the bridge to nowhere," but she was actually in favor of it for a while. She also loves earmarks and Ted Stevens.
6. Secessionist? Oh yeah, and she also might be a secessionist.
7. Lack of prior relationship with McCain: As it turns out, she only met, and talked with, McCain once before being selected. No wonder Republican lawyers are still vetting her. This is some excellent preparation by the McCain campaign for McCain's first presidential decision.
Palin was obviously picked entirely for political reasons, not because McCain knew her or believed in her at all. Even then, the pick was an extremely poor one. With more hurricanes bearing down on the Gulf Coast, the whole thing smacks of Arabian Horse master Michael Brown and post-Katrina FEMA. Unqualified people are placed in major positions of responsibility just because they are hard right-winger. This is how Republicans govern, and a national reminder of that is really crushing McCain in the polls.
Keep in mind that the first couple days after being selected are usually the best media that VP picks receive. It will actually get worse for Palin from here on out.
Post by: ArfinGreebly on September 03, 2008, 06:53:35 PM
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It will actually get worse for Palin from here on out.
Watched it.
Don't think she's worried.
Lady may be a rookie, but she's a pro.
Post by: Intune on September 03, 2008, 07:10:58 PM
Post by: roo_ster on September 03, 2008, 07:12:42 PM
The MSM will work overtime to destroy her and bring in their usual 15% for the Dems, but she sure sounds up to the task of taking on the MSM and the BHO crew.
She talked more energy policy substance in that one speech than BHO and Biden have done all year.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 03, 2008, 07:13:04 PM
They buried her for two days -- ducking a plethora of news issues -- and she comes out and performs the litany of Reagan, attack dog, "we are the law," pander-to-the-Right Wing speech with some gravitas. (Impressive.)
It's going to get nasty.
Nasty indeed. This woman is a disaster for Obama and the Democrats. We've seen them try to destroy the poor woman and her family, but I'm afraid it's only going worse. She's too great a threat for them to leave her alone.It's going to get nasty.
Any "disaster" will be based upon the veracity of any statements made against her: The Enquirer, of all publications, has proven quite adept, recently.
I think she winds up burying the McCain campaign, either by being Swift-boated and/or championing a duly unpalatable, Right-Wing, Republicanism. (Can McCain win without selling his soul to such types?)
A, pilfered, attempt at a Palin scandal compendium:
1. Lack of experience hypocrisy. McCain spent the entire summer attacking Obama over his lack of experience, and then picked a far less experienced politician for his running mate. McCain's 2008 presidential campaign actually started before Palin took office.
2. A reformer under investigation. Palin is being sold as a reformer, even though she is currently facing an ethics probe (from other Republicans), and recently hired a lawyer to help her with that investigation. She is probably guilty too, considering that she did the exact same thing when she was a mayor. However, it wasn't illegal when she fired people for political purposes as a mayor. While occupying the governor's mansion, I believe it is.
3. Family values: Her 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Not only did Palin thus expose her daughter to endless humiliation in front of the entire world by accepting the slot, but it isn't even clear if Palin told the McCain campaign about the situation before she accepted the slot. Oh, and Palin opposes birth control, even for married couples.
4. Extreme right-winger: Even though she is being sold to moderates, it turns out she is an extremely hard-core wingnut, supporting Pat Buchannan and a whole host of other disturbing things.
5. Deep ties to Alaska pork: Palin claims she opposed "the bridge to nowhere," but she was actually in favor of it for a while. She also loves earmarks and Ted Stevens.
6. Secessionist? Oh yeah, and she also might be a secessionist.
7. Lack of prior relationship with McCain: As it turns out, she only met, and talked with, McCain once before being selected. No wonder Republican lawyers are still vetting her. This is some excellent preparation by the McCain campaign for McCain's first presidential decision.
Palin was obviously picked entirely for political reasons, not because McCain knew her or believed in her at all. Even then, the pick was an extremely poor one. With more hurricanes bearing down on the Gulf Coast, the whole thing smacks of Arabian Horse master Michael Brown and post-Katrina FEMA. Unqualified people are placed in major positions of responsibility just because they are hard right-winger. This is how Republicans govern, and a national reminder of that is really crushing McCain in the polls.
Keep in mind that the first couple days after being selected are usually the best media that VP picks receive. It will actually get worse for Palin from here on out.
Utter BS, all down the line. It's the same sort of trash as the phony NYTimes story about McCain having an affair with a lobbyist, or the CBS forged-document story.
The amount of trash character assassination from the left and the media (or do I repeat myself?) rises in proportion to the subject's conservatism. It happens to any conservative who has the audacity to serve in a major public office. It's been this way for as long as I've been alive, for every major conservative to hit the public scene. It goes back at least as far as Clarence Thomas.
This crap has been overcome in the past, and Palin can overcome it now. If the media and the left think they can grind this woman down, they're going to be sorely disappointed.
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It will actually get worse for Palin from here on out.
Watched it.
Don't think she's worried.
Lady may be a rookie, but she's a pro.
Post by: Ezekiel on September 03, 2008, 07:27:51 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 03, 2008, 07:36:15 PM
It's been overcome before. It'll be overcome this time.
And I'll bet you a box of your favorite ammunition that neither Palin nor McCain are afraid of it.
Post by: longeyes on September 03, 2008, 07:46:42 PM
And as Newt said, "Obama's a talker and a writer."
People know what really matters.
Post by: Manedwolf on September 03, 2008, 08:15:46 PM
Whatever she's got in her past, she doesn't have Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and Davis. Slowly but surely that is going to get out.
And as Newt said, "Obama's a talker and a writer."
People know what really matters.
And as Newt said, "Obama's a talker and a writer."
People know what really matters.
Racist preacher, mob money drop man, terrorist...oh, and he did nose candy, too.
If only the media would report fairly.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 03, 2008, 08:16:13 PM
They buried her for two days -- ducking a plethora of news issues -- and she comes out and performs the litany of Reagan, attack dog, "we are the law," pander-to-the-Right Wing speech with some gravitas.
Two questions:
How did they "bury her"? Unless you mean buried under a flood of alleged scandals.
How exactly can she pander to the right wing when, as you cut-and-pasted, she IS the right wing?
Oh, wait - more questions.
Are campaign speeches supposed to be non-partisan, now?
"We are the law"? What is that supposed to mean?
Post by: GigaBuist on September 03, 2008, 08:52:38 PM
1. Lack of experience hypocrisy. McCain spent the entire summer attacking Obama over his lack of experience, and then picked a far less experienced politician for his running mate. McCain's 2008 presidential campaign actually started before Palin took office.
I know McCain has had aspirations of being the president for a while, but Palin first took office in 1992. I'd say that predates his 2008 campaign by a bit.Quote
2. A reformer under investigation. Palin is being sold as a reformer, even though she is currently facing an ethics probe (from other Republicans), and recently hired a lawyer to help her with that investigation.
So far the only action I've seen on the lawyers part is in regards to determining who has jurisdiction to hear the case. Other than that Palin has been pretty accommodating.Quote
3. Family values: Her 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Not only did Palin thus expose her daughter to endless humiliation in front of the entire world by accepting the slot, but it isn't even clear if Palin told the McCain campaign about the situation before she accepted the slot.
The McCain camp says that they knew about it. Can you provide a more authoritative source on this one? Or perhaps at least a coherent hypothesis as to why their claims are false?Quote
Oh, and Palin opposes birth control, even for married couples.
You're going to have to give a citation of some kind for this one.Quote
4. Extreme right-winger: Even though she is being sold to moderates, it turns out she is an extremely hard-core wingnut, supporting Pat Buchannan and a whole host of other disturbing things.
Where is she being sold as a moderate? That's the entire purpose of selecting her as VP: She's not a friggen moderate like McCain. Quote
5. Deep ties to Alaska pork: Palin claims she opposed "the bridge to nowhere," but she was actually in favor of it for a while.
You've got her there. She was in favor of the project until it looked like Alaska would have to spend money to complete it. Alaska could have probably fixed the transport problem with 60k a year, but the feds wanted to dump a $270 million solution into the issue. I find no practical fault with a governor that'll let the feds fix the problem at an inflated price. It saves HER constituents money. There's an ideological problem there, but the governor should put her constituents issues first.
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6. Secessionist? Oh yeah, and she also might be a secessionist.
Others, from Alaska, have addressed that the particular 3rd party has relevance in the land of Alaska. It would be suicide not to speak with them.Beside that, I see a logical disconnect for harping on her for taking Federal money and then in the very next paragraph harping on her for possibly supporting secession. If they're a leech on the Federal budget then let them leave.
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7. Lack of prior relationship with McCain: As it turns out, she only met, and talked with, McCain once before being selected
McCain obviously didn't do his work there, because there's just NO WAY a team of individuals using modern communication could have ever dug up this "dirt" on Palin before he selected her. You'd need elite access to Al Gore's Tubes of Internets to find this stuff!Quote
Palin was obviously picked entirely for political reasons
Uhm, duh? He wasn't looking for a partner in a game of Euchre.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 03, 2008, 09:26:46 PM
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1. Lack of experience hypocrisy. McCain spent the entire summer attacking Obama over his lack of experience, and then picked a far less experienced politician for his running mate. McCain's 2008 presidential campaign actually started before Palin took office.
Palin's "lack of experience" is a POSITIVE for the McCain campaign. By foolishly attacking this perceived flaw, Obama and his media allies have drawn attention to Obama's even more glaring lack of experience or accomplishment, and for a higher office, no less. This has reduced Obama to claiming he has "executive experience" by virtue of running an election campaign.
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 04, 2008, 03:48:04 AM
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4. Extreme right-winger: Even though she is being sold to moderates, it turns out she is an extremely hard-core wingnut, supporting Pat Buchannan and a whole host of other disturbing things.
I support Pat too. I'm also an extreme right-winger. So go Palin, go.
Post by: Scout26 on September 04, 2008, 10:59:34 AM
1. Lack of experience hypocrisy. McCain spent the entire summer attacking Obama over his lack of experience, and then picked a far less experienced politician for his running mate. McCain's 2008 presidential campaign actually started before Palin took office.
More Executive (Mayor and Governor) experience then Obama and Biden combined. I don't want an "experienced politician", I want someone who has demonstrated the ability to make the tough calls and get things done. Palin has done that (called out fellow Repubs on ethics violations, fired corrupt public officals). Obama voted "present". Quote
2. A reformer under investigation. Palin is being sold as a reformer, even though she is currently facing an ethics probe (from other Republicans), and recently hired a lawyer to help her with that investigation.
See http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=14527.0 for details about "Trooper-gate" As I stated in another thread if Trooper Wooten was in Illinois, he'd be named Drew Peterson and Nancy Grace would be on him like the rabid pit-bull she is. Also if this was in Obama's Chicago, Wooten would have been slide into a a do-nothing job in city hall and Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan would have been promoted to bigger and better things. (Do a google search for John Kass and Pool Boy to see an example of the "Chicago Way" or see http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-08-aug08,0,7211347.column)Quote
3. Family values: Her 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Not only did Palin thus expose her daughter to endless humiliation in front of the entire world by accepting the slot, but it isn't even clear if Palin told the McCain campaign about the situation before she accepted the slot.
Last I checked the 17 yo daughter is not running for anything. Quote
Oh, and Palin opposes birth control, even for married couples.
And that affects me how ??Quote
4. Extreme right-winger: Even though she is being sold to moderates, it turns out she is an extremely hard-core wingnut, supporting Pat Buchannan and a whole host of other disturbing things.
If she's a moderate, then I'm Bill Clinton. Quote
5. Deep ties to Alaska pork: Palin claims she opposed "the bridge to nowhere," but she was actually in favor of it for a while.
Show me any polictian that is opposed to getting Free Money from someone else. In fact most pols brag about "Bringing home the Bacon". The fact that once it became a financial liability to Alaska, she opposed it. Quote
6. Secessionist? Oh yeah, and she also might be a secessionist.
OOOOoooooooOOOOHHHHhhhhhhHHHH, scary militia-right-wing-seceesionist-gun-nut-TEOTWAKI party. Or not, once you read and learn more about that party. Plus she was not a member, but spoke before them. I guess since Obama spoke to the American Legion and VFW conventions, that makes him a veteran. Quote
7. Lack of prior relationship with McCain: As it turns out, she only met, and talked with, McCain once before being selected
Yep, he should have nominated Cindy McCain, if there's anybody who he knows best, it would be his wife. Quote
Palin was obviously picked entirely for political reasons
Yeah, the fact that she is the best choice available, matters not. [/quote]
Zeke, Your grasp of politics is only exceed by the depth of your knowlegde of the military.