Post by: Winston Smith on October 12, 2005, 07:30:44 PM
Only about one in seven people are nice, but they are genuinely nice. None of this fake stuff I enountered in LA or the Midwest.
The food is good.
The people are attractive.
The Police are harsh where they need to be and gentle where they don't.
Some beautiful areas, as well. The weather isn't so bad once you get out of the west side (where I live).
What do you guys think?
PS: San Francisco is called 'The city' out here. I'm pretty sure there are other towns in other areas with that moniker. Is this true?
Post by: jefnvk on October 12, 2005, 08:26:23 PM
What part of the Midwest didn't you like the people? My experience has been that (outside of big cities) 6 out of 7 are nice, and the seventh is just having a bad day.
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 13, 2005, 03:04:37 AM
jefnvk- If you don't dress/look/act like a Midwesterner, most of the midwestern courtesy is fake in my humble opinion. I know where Winston is coming from but its hard to explain....
Post by: JAlexander on October 13, 2005, 03:31:24 AM
That said, I do like visiting San Francisco and the Bay Area for the excellent (and cheap) sushi. There are parts of California that I loved, and would happily live, were it not for the insane state politics.
My best friend summed it up perfectly when he said that San Francisco like an R-rated Disneyland.
James
Post by: Art Eatman on October 13, 2005, 04:11:03 AM
Two other world-class cities, IMO, are Hong Kong and Paris. Each has an aura, an atmosphere, that is far better than other pretenders. Forget Tokyo or New York City and other supersuctionvilles.
Art
Post by: Werewolf on October 13, 2005, 04:55:17 AM
As the old saying goes:
It's a nice place to visit... but I wouldn't want to live there! expresses my feelings about the place very well.
Post by: 280plus on October 13, 2005, 04:59:49 AM
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What do you guys think?
I think you better get the hell out of there before the next big one hits. You're DUE!!:O
Post by: natedog on October 13, 2005, 05:08:41 AM
Post by: charby on October 13, 2005, 05:23:19 AM
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What part of the Midwest didn't you like the people? My experience has been that (outside of big cities) 6 out of 7 are nice, and the seventh is just having a bad day.
Or their daddy was hot s**t back in high school so they act all uppityChabry
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Post by: thorn on October 14, 2005, 11:27:34 PM
in so many ways too.
>>no city, no matter how charming, is worth the loss of my civil rights.<<<
i will never get this logic. if going around the world to fight for fredom makes sense, doesnt sticking it out here also?
oh well, i know, not worth the effort, a lost cause.
one less no vote for prop H.
i wish i could afford to live in SF, but then again, Berkeley has one huge advantage, the hills. lots of open, empty trees and streams.
with the motorcycle, SF is so totally accesible(15min), easy to navigate , and parking is no problem.
mass transit also great.
i love going to SF. the parks, just walking around the streets, the wackos, haight/ ashbury, tyhe mission, the CLUBS (girls to no end)
have to admit so many "spiritual" people drive me a bit nuts, but whatever. i will never grow tired of san francisco. of course, it's easier when you dont live there. i only go for entertainment, visiting.
i will totally go to SF at 12am just for a burrito. it's that good. the club scene can't be beat, especially for the psytrance music i like, or hippy garbage i also like.
for me, there is no more happening place. there are other cities like LA or NY that might be more
ehhh, hard to convey the feeling here, "happening" is what i call it.
whatever made all those hippies come here in the 60s is still bringing the freaks here, put it that way.
the masive gay population- ehh, whatever. kinda funny, any lady reading this - you ever gone to a club and been hit on by a million lame guys all night? well, i know how you feel, and for all of us lame guys- sorry!
whatever- if girls can deal with it, so can i.
the all night dance clubs really make this one of the best cities on earth to me, the awesome underground artist/ music culture that is all over the bay area.
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 15, 2005, 04:39:40 AM
Post by: MaterDei on October 15, 2005, 05:05:19 AM
If I wanted to live in a city with an atmosphere similar to San Francisco (which I don't), I'd move to Austin.
Post by: atek3 on October 15, 2005, 09:25:11 AM
Re: the gay thing... funny story. So I've got this new co-worker from china. He used to work in albany, NY. He's obsessed with "the gay". He's like, "you know in SF they have gay street?", I'm like, "you mean the castro?", "yes that's it, I hear gay can get married there." "Um, no that was a gavin newsom thing, it failed." "Gavin newsom, he look gay." "um, I guess, I think he just cares about his appearance more than most." "Isn't it wierd that they have gay street?" "Um, only if you're moved here from albany."
What makes this conversation doubly funny is that my co-worker who is gay and from hong kong is just listening to the conversation and trying to avoid laughing out loud.
atek3
*San Francisco.
Post by: SalukiFan on October 16, 2005, 05:51:22 AM
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On the gay issue- That is one of the most overblown characteristics of SF that people who have never been there mention. When I came back from my last visit, everyone kept asking me about it...annoying!
Yeah, it's funny about that because it has been theorized that the U.S. military had a lot to do with establishing San Francisco's "gay" reputation. During World War II, the military needed as many personnel as possible for the war effort and they were more lenient about suspected gay and lesbian soldiers, sailors and marines. Once the war ended, thousands of gays were loaded on "queer ships" and given "undesirable" discharges and were dropped off at the nearest port. Now that they had been kicked out of the military and outed, many of them believed that they could not return to their hometowns. Many of them decided to stay where they were dropped off and made port cities like San Francisco and New York their homes.
But hey, they are cool cities anyway, who wouldn't want to stay?
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Post by: The Rabbi on October 16, 2005, 06:23:49 AM
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Quote from: Daniel Flory
On the gay issue- That is one of the most overblown characteristics of SF that people who have never been there mention. When I came back from my last visit, everyone kept asking me about it...annoying!
Yeah, it's funny about that because it has been theorized that the U.S. military had a lot to do with establishing San Fransisco's "gay" reputation. During World War II, the military needed as many personnel as possible for the war effort and they were more lenient about suspected gay and lesbian soldiers, sailors and marines. Once the war ended, thousands of gays were loaded on "queer ships" and given "undesirable" discharges and were dropped off at the nearest port. Now that they had been kicked out of the military and outed, many of them believed that they could not return to their hometowns. Many of them decided to stay where they were dropped off and made port cities like San Fransisco and New York their homes.
But hey, they are cool cities anyway, who wouldn't want to stay?
Post by: SalukiFan on October 16, 2005, 07:10:01 AM
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Quote from: SalukiFan
Quote from: Daniel Flory
On the gay issue- That is one of the most overblown characteristics of SF that people who have never been there mention. When I came back from my last visit, everyone kept asking me about it...annoying!
Yeah, it's funny about that because it has been theorized that the U.S. military had a lot to do with establishing San Fransisco's "gay" reputation. During World War II, the military needed as many personnel as possible for the war effort and they were more lenient about suspected gay and lesbian soldiers, sailors and marines. Once the war ended, thousands of gays were loaded on "queer ships" and given "undesirable" discharges and were dropped off at the nearest port. Now that they had been kicked out of the military and outed, many of them believed that they could not return to their hometowns. Many of them decided to stay where they were dropped off and made port cities like San Fransisco and New York their homes.
But hey, they are cool cities anyway, who wouldn't want to stay?
Historian Allan Berube also wrote a book called "Coming Out Under Fire: The History of Gay Men and Women in World War Two" which I have not read but that looks interesting. He is quoted in the above reference (Past Times) as having said, "The government sponsored a migration of the gay community."
I agree that it does sound a bit apocryphal, but I thought it was a pretty interesting theory and besides the Faderman reference, I haven't found much to either prove or refute it.
Post by: Winston Smith on October 16, 2005, 07:47:15 AM
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the fact that SF has really nice weather etc probably didnt hurt either.
Uhh.... yeaaaaah.....