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Title: Don't rip people off.
Post by: bytor94 on November 12, 2005, 04:31:19 AM
If you want to spend some time reading about a 19 yr old punk getting owned, this is the thread for you.

He is really going to have a rough life ahead of him if he doesnt grow up slightly.  I know I was dumb at 19 but, just damn!


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=399203
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Post by: Preacherman on November 12, 2005, 06:02:27 AM
Oy gevalt!  Talk about p@wned... cheesy
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Post by: Lo.Com.Denom on November 12, 2005, 07:11:16 AM
I read the first few pages, then skipped some until the end. Never seen anything like it! I can't believe that the kid crank-called the guy he ripped off, after all the pages already dedicated to "outing" him.

Scary to think what people can dig up on you, when they really want to...
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Post by: ...has left the building. on November 12, 2005, 07:22:02 AM
I think it is funny when people think they are anonymous online. The guy deserved the ownage and it is the best example of an online lynching that I've ever seen. Hats off to the boys and girls at Pirate.
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Post by: Art Eatman on November 12, 2005, 07:59:50 AM
Lil Ol' Charlie Wenzel is a candidate for "How stupid can people be?"  Lord luvva duck, that boy would have to double up smarts to make stupid.

I really don't think he's gonna enjoy life for a while.  "Wenzeled" as an Internet word?  Wow!

Cheesy, Art
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Post by: bytor94 on November 12, 2005, 08:26:02 AM
I'm waiting for the Wikipidia entry!

cheesy
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Post by: Paddy on November 12, 2005, 08:50:05 AM
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Scary to think what people can dig up on you, when they really want to...
I dug up a load of crap on a former boss once, all public record.  Seems he didn't exist before about 1985, and the guy was 60 years old.  Also, he'd had a bankrupcty, while he was CFO of the company we worked for!  They fired the guy before I got to use it, and now he's the CFO of a competitor.
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Post by: Iain on November 12, 2005, 10:08:51 AM
There appear to be several people on that forum who rate high on my scale of 'internet psychopath'.

Especially the guy who tried to compare our braindead wouldbe scammer to terrorists.
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Post by: Sindawe on November 12, 2005, 11:40:03 AM
A bit bitter are we Blackburn?  Wink  Your post is more fun than the original thread.
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Post by: jefnvk on November 12, 2005, 11:55:52 AM
Methinks the kid could do with a good beating.  I know some arrogant, belligerant people, but he has to be the tops.
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Post by: Sylvilagus Aquaticus on November 12, 2005, 12:41:31 PM
It's spreading. I saw it on G4TV.

Seems it's been hyperlinked all over the place so far. Cheesy  

Simple lesson- say what you mean and do what you say you're going to do.
Lesson 2. Everybody leaves a trail. Some leave much better trails that others and don't follow Lesson 1.
Lesson 3. There is always someone out there who is a good tracker.



Regards,
Rabbit.
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Post by: jamz on November 12, 2005, 02:29:04 PM
WAHahaha

I was reading that from my subaru forum, was reading the last few pages, saw a post by a screen name that I recognize from a member here that's a member from ANOTHER non-related forum (Not the same username as here and THR)..  This whole internet forum thing is going full circle!  Cheesy

-James
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Post by: LawDog on November 12, 2005, 02:56:47 PM
Cheesy

LawDog
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Post by: Gewehr98 on November 12, 2005, 04:49:05 PM
The kid's a spoiled-rotten little dumbass, who needs a lesson taught to him.  

But that forum scares me with the angry mob, pitchfork and torch mentality, headin' down to San Luis Obispo to kick his butt for the sake of fellow forum members.

This observation is from somebody who's armed to the teeth, and very much an eye-for-eye kinda guy.

Then somebody from that forum called him with a death threat?  Very nice.  Sad
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Post by: Art Eatman on November 12, 2005, 05:32:58 PM
Nah, Gewehr, it's just the Keyboard Kommandos of the Internet.  Just like the "kill'em all" crowd at TFL or THR.   On the 'Net, it's Gonna-do; in real life it's Never-do.  No different from the doofi who do the Cammie thing at gunshows.

Smiley, Art
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Post by: bytor94 on November 12, 2005, 05:59:12 PM
Well, he made Wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Wenzel


I wonder if he is finally regretting trying to scam the guy?
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Post by: Strings on November 12, 2005, 06:50:05 PM
actually... while reading that, I started thinking about the whole Bearcoat thing. Yes, THR was MUCH more mature about it, but the "mentality" was still the same: mess with one of us, and we'll all get pissed...

 Ok... maybe not if you mess with Spacemanspiff, but anyone else... Wink
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Post by: Warren on November 12, 2005, 06:56:12 PM
I wonder if he'll end up working at Bearcoat.
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Post by: 444 on November 12, 2005, 07:08:26 PM
"There appear to be several people on that forum who rate high on my scale of 'internet psychopath'."

I agree. This thing has gone WAY to far. It is a mob.
I would have no problem at all if someone went to SLO and beat the crap out of him: he had it coming. I wouldn't have any problem at all with them digging up all this personal information about him: again, he has it coming.
BUT, when they posted pictures and resumes of his parents, and started digging up personal information about the girl next to him in the high school yearbook, and stuff about his girlfriend: that is way over the line. That is IMO just as bad as what Charlie did.
A few people tried to step in and use some reason with these people about not harrassing other people or dragging other people who had nothing to do with this down with Charlie and they immediately became the next target of the mob.
That whole thing is out of control. While I give them credit for tracking this jerk down, most of the hundreds of posts are just e-toughguys who are getting attention and running with it.
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Post by: jefnvk on November 12, 2005, 09:22:32 PM
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I wonder if he is finally regretting trying to scam the guy?
Nope, probably just basking in his 15 min of fame.
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Post by: erik the bold on November 13, 2005, 06:22:21 AM
Gawd!  I wasted an hour on that.........!!!  :0

Did you see his "heartfelt" apology Huh?  LOL!  http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412489
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Post by: Gewehr98 on November 13, 2005, 08:25:39 AM
Looks like the Internet Keyboard Kommandos haven't toned down their bloodlust, yet.  Shades of "Deliverance" on that forum, some members clearly want an all-out lynching.  

Luckily, the Wikipedia entry was deleted.

I'm proud that things would never have gotten to the angry villager with pitchforks level at THR, even with the BearCoat thread.  I'll throw money in with Blackburn for the legal defense of our hero Charlie Wenzel.  Even though he's a total schmuck, I'll help him hire a lawyer after he or his family puts a bullet hole in the head of the first redneck who shows up at San Luis Obispo and tries to do him bodily harm.  

I hope you're right, Art.  I hope they're nothing but faceless Internet Keyboard Kommandos, hiding behind their IP addresses.  Sad
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Post by: Winston Smith on November 13, 2005, 09:48:23 AM
Wow. I love APS. You guys are so level-headed... I for one was starting to go along with the lynchmob until you guys' statements gave me some perspective.
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Post by: Stickjockey on November 13, 2005, 10:28:22 AM
One more for the Blackburn/Gewehr98 approach.

Did the guy screw up? In spades.

Was he a jackass about it when called? Oh yeah.

Did he deserve Ownage Royale? You betcha.

Physical violence? uh...no.
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Post by: SalukiFan on November 13, 2005, 10:35:21 AM
Hmm.  I think things have gotten a little out of hand on Pirate 4x4.

I think everyone agrees that the kid's feeble attempt at a scam/dishonesty was wrong, wrong, wrong, but issuing an internet fatwa is a little scary.

Hey, how about a poll?  Pick the moment that you think this thread crossed the boundary:

1. Posting his address so that people could come and threaten him in person and his email, his cell phone number, IM name, etc so that people could call him, message him, email him, etc. every hour of the day and night

2. Scanning in and posting his high school yearbook pictures and baby (!) pictures

3. Showing pictures of his mom (a resource teacher) and his dad (pilot and retired Navy Lt. Commander) along with their life stories

4. The satellite images of his house

5. Photoshopped images of Wenzel having unspeakable things done to him

6. Searching his credit history

Any other candidates?  Any highlights I'm missing?
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Post by: ...has left the building. on November 13, 2005, 10:44:25 AM
I think it would be prudent to erase all of his info now that he has issued an apology. But he will still forever go down in online history as the first widespread, public butt-kicking for a dishonest online seller.
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Post by: Preacherman on November 13, 2005, 04:29:34 PM
Good Heavens...  that thread is now up to 1,740 responses and 70 pages, and regulars on the forum are complaining bitterly that the board has slowed to a crawl because of the hundreds of thousands of viewers who've flocked there as a result of the thread being linked on (literally) hundreds of other BBS's!  I think things are sorta out of hand right now.  I hope none of those threatening direct physical retaliation against this idiot carry through with their threats, otherwise this is going to give all BBS's involved a bad name.
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Post by: brimic on November 13, 2005, 06:02:26 PM
Its amazing what kind of notoriety $25 can buy you these days.

C. Wenzel isn't rocket scientist material, but neither are many of the posters on that forum.
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Post by: mtnbkr on November 13, 2005, 06:15:29 PM
Pirate4x4 is the AR15/glocktalk of the 4x4 community.

Chris
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Post by: Ben on November 13, 2005, 06:49:20 PM
Indeed. Wenzel is a jackass who had some retribution coming, but what went on over there after the first ten or so pages is exemplar of why you'd never catch me in a Superdome after a hurricane. It's like sheeple on steroids.
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Post by: SpookyPistolero on November 13, 2005, 08:40:56 PM
I really didn't think that a mob-mentality would really be able to function in an internet forum. I really figured you needed that rapid, interpersonal back-and-forth to fuel the fire enough to makes things come to that, but apparently you can get a lynch mob going across a long time and in only print. Interesting...

The kid made a huuge mistake, but the line definitely got crossed, as always happens with mod rule starts rolling.
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Post by: Guest on November 13, 2005, 08:43:26 PM
I think the biggest problem was the fact that he kept fueling it. Not the smartest thing. It would have gotten much less "press", I think, if he simply "disappeared" or tried to be much less confrontational with his ripoff.
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Post by: bytor94 on November 14, 2005, 02:52:25 AM
Yeah, some of the things they are saying/doing over there are a little overboard.  It almost looks like a shark feeding frenzy!  Understand, I'm not trying to justify their actions, but, if Wentzel had sucked it up early and admitted he's a dumbass it would have blown over a lot sooner.

It's almost scary what power the internet has gained in the last few years.  It could be a good thing, or in this case, something to be concerned over.
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Post by: Art Eatman on November 14, 2005, 04:56:20 AM
Well, I keep commenting about the bravery induced by the anonymity of the Internet.  Keyboard Kommandos.  It allows incompetent little sheeple-types to "act" out their fantasies and vent their frustrations.

And, in this case, poor dumb Wenzel kept throwing gasoline on the fire.  

Smiley, Art