Post by: ...has left the building. on January 09, 2006, 02:19:39 PM
Post by: Strings on January 09, 2006, 03:44:51 PM
Let me put it this way: I walked into a Harley dealership shortly after i got my license. The salesman told me "yeah... Harleys are now almost as reliable as the Japanese bikes!". This was meant as a selling point...
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 09, 2006, 04:24:31 PM
Post by: Guest on January 10, 2006, 03:44:41 AM
A kawa EX250 to a Sportster should be an interesting change. I would imagine that you will grow tired of the bike (for something bigger/faster/shinier) long before it has given up the ghost.
Bikes can run for a pretty long time unless they are crashed or neglected (which is probably the ultimate fate of %80 of motorcycles sold in America). If you are comfortable with doing regular repairs there is no reason you cant keep one for quite some time. I have a CB750 in my driveway with 55,000 miles on it that still gets ridden every day, which is probably why it is still running, through three owners I dont think that bike has ever sat for more than a week or two at the most. Of course, high-mileage motorcycles always take on some bizarre personality traits, they start to behave more like organisms than machines and require a lot more attention than new bikes. Its all just a matter of how much you are willing to put up with.
For example here is the current starting proceedure for my dinosaur:
Shift to Neutral (push the bike around a bit untill the lever moves)
Petcock: on
Kill switch: on
Key : on
Depress start button (if starts go to section B, if not continue:)
Drop into first gear, push bike forewards and backwards against transmission, repeat in second gear, depress start, repeat.
If that fails, hit starter motor with medium sized wrench
Failing that; bump start
Bike is running with choke OFF
Wait untill motor begins to lag, slowly pull to 3/4 choke, count to five, adjust to mantain 2000RPM
At about 1/4 choke the bike is ready to ride.
Kickstand UP, drop into first gear (*thunk*)
fully close choke after a couple blocks or when engine begins racing in neutral.
That procedure works every time, and it is a significantly greater PITA than it would be with a new bike, but this is the price of keeping the dang things around for so long. If its something that your willing to put up with, then you will enjoy a high-mileage motorcycle, otherwise you should stick to newer bikes.
Post by: CatsDieNow on January 10, 2006, 04:26:50 AM
*Twice*
Harleys are rhinestone butt jewelery. You take them out in the driveway and polish the chrome to impress your friends. It's all a marketing and branding social club. If must have a cruiser, anything but a Harley...Triumph perhaps.
Post by: Fatcat on January 10, 2006, 05:07:51 AM
I can tell you that my dad has put almost 50,000 miles on a VROD in the last 2 years, and it's still going strong. If I were forced to buy a Harley, it would be something with that motor. The fact that it can actually get out of it's own way is a plus, too.
Post by: Guest on January 10, 2006, 05:37:07 AM
I think the 883 is a bit of an anomolous bike. It is a fine standard, if not a bit over priced. The thing is that there are a lot of bikes that do the same job a lot better for a lot less. However, those bikes dont say HD on the tank. The thing is though that the only reason to pick the sportster is the name. However the sportster (particularly the 883) is the least of all Harley Davidson motorcycles. The same people that will give you a hard time about riding a japanese bike will give you a hard time for riding a "ladies bike". My thinking with HD is that its an all or nothing type of deal. If you really want to have the cache of the name then you need to get a bike that really represents what HD is all about. It just seems to me that the sportster is considered by many to be the ultimate HD poser bike.
For the price of a 1200CC sportster you can start looking at the FLAGSHIP cruisers made by Japanese companies. Yeah, people will give you a hard time for buying an import, but at least you will have a faster, more effecient, more reliable, and better made machine. If you get a sportster all you have is a HD that is a "girl bike" that is slightly worse than any other HD motorcycle. Really, the only thing that HD purists can make fun of with impunity is a man on a Sportster because their bikes really are better.
Dont get me wrong, the sportster does a fine job of what it does best. The problem is that "what it does best" is filling the role as a general purpose motorcycle, which is not what the current Harley Davidson company is all about. To give an idea of perspective the $800 POS Honda that I mentioned earlier was built to the exact same purpose. Despite the fact that it is beat to hell, 15 years old, and ugly as sin, it will out perform a brand new 883 in every category except for appearance. For half the price of an 883 you could pick up a lightly used Suzuki SV650 which is quite possibly the best middleweight V-twin in the history of motorcycling as we know it. It is practicle enough to be an everyday ride, effecient as anything else, boringly reliable, long lived, and has enough performance that it is becoming hugely popular as a track-bike. It is not however, a particularly pretty bike, and like I said, it doesnt say HD on the tank.
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 10, 2006, 08:27:50 AM
BTW, I had a Triumph Speed Triple for a while in 1996. Cantankerous would be the best way to describe that bike. Hope that's not indicative of a Triumph Bonneville cruiser.
Post by: Nathaniel Firethorn on January 10, 2006, 08:36:43 AM
- NF
Post by: Michigander on January 10, 2006, 09:12:05 AM
Now I own an Harley-Davidson 1200cc Sportster, never wrecked (that I know of), well maintained, and low mileage. In the last two summers I have probably put only 100 miles on her. I've had it at the shop numerous times, etc. blah, blah, blah...
But, I will get her running good this summer and if I don't, I'm going to sell her and use the money for a down payment on a . . . . . . . . new . . . . . . . . . Harley-Davidson Heritage Softail.
Why? Because there is nothing like the feeling I get on a Harley! Nothing compares! I've ridden some of my buddie's bikes, Ninjas, Yamahas, Kows, etc.
Bottom line:
There is nothing like the feeling of riding a Harley-Davidson.
Post by: CatsDieNow on January 10, 2006, 10:03:23 AM
I meant no offense to you HD guys, I was just trying to be funny.Look, if you actually ride your HD, then you are a class above the ones that I see around here. We got rich guys who never take their bike out for more then one trip around the block per year, but take it out every week to polish the chrome.
Restored classic bikes are an entirely different matter. Don't confuse the issue...I only object to the overpriced branding that HD is infamous for.
Post by: Strings on January 10, 2006, 11:43:44 AM
Ask Monkeyleg about such "bikers". You'll get an earfull!
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 10, 2006, 12:58:54 PM
We call them WHORES - We Haul Our Rides Everywhere
They trailer the bikes to within a few miles of the gathering, then ride refreshed and smelling like a rose the last couple miles into the event.
Myself, I know every nut and bolt on my Shovelhead - because Harley refuses to work on it, it's not an Evo or TwinCam. A poseur I am not.
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 10, 2006, 01:34:54 PM
CDN- My primary motivation is the cost of insurance. I'd really like the 636R or at the minimum, an SV-650S, but the insurance cost is close to $2K/year for me. I can definitely afford it but I definitely don't want to pay $2K a year for insurance on a bike. So, if I am going to go the cruiser route, I just HAVE to get an H-D to satisfy my intense need for tinkering and aftermarket parts. The plan would be to get the 883 Custom, do the 1200 swap, and do some minor cosmetic stuff such as new wheels. Insurance runs about $600/year for this option... I'll do some more insurance shopping since I've only talked to 3 or 4 insurance companies so far.
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 10, 2006, 01:45:14 PM
My '89 Springer has about 115,000 miles on it. It would be more like 140,000 or more if I'd had the money the last couple of years to take a vacation.
Maybe I'm a masochist, because I love my bike, in spite of all the problems:
1. Gone through three Kevlar belts (a small stone in the sprocket will destroy a belt in a matter of minutes). Two-day job for a shade tree mechanic.
2. One tranny rebuild. Cost $1000. (I don't know tranny's, so the dealer did it).
3. Replace rear rocker box gaskets every other year, and replace rear cylinder base gasket every two to three years. Both front and rear gaskets every three or so years. A six-hour job.
4. Untold number of burned-up voltage regulators.
5. Black box went south.
6. Two alternator stators (that's a full day job, or more).
7. One tappet that went bad and destroyed the camshaft. Happened on the road, so about $750.
8. Intermittent short in wiring.
9. New speedometer at 56,000 miles.
10. Three headlight assemblies. (Vibration cracks the mount).
11. New steering head bearing at about 55,000 miles. That's a two or three day job for an amateur mechanic like me.
12. Too many other things to list.
The only part of the bike I haven't had to touch is the bottom end.
In all fairness to my bike, most of the miles I've logged have been on 5,000 to 7,000 mile trips out west in the summer heat. 500 to 700 miles a day in that heat, combined with a hard-mounted motor, will take its toll.
I had a sportster before this bike, and really enjoyed it. Nimble and quick.
Every trip I've taken seems to put me in Montana when the BMW club is having their national rally. I've compared stories with those riders, and their bikes have just as many problems.
I had dinner with one of the race crews for Ducati when they were at Laguna Seca, and they had numerous stories of problems.
I've also stopped and helped Gold Wing riders whose bikes had broken down.
If you're going to buy one (or any bike, for that matter) buy some tools and learn how to wrench.
Post by: Guest on January 10, 2006, 06:56:55 PM
A Buell S3:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/buell/buell_s3_thunderbolt.htm
What I like about it: from a chassis/suspension point of view, there's nothing better. Literally. It's Ducati-grade stuff in every way.
The motor is the same as a Sportster except "pumped up" from the factory.
It is stone-axe primitive: aircooled, two valve per cylinder, pushrods, etc.
But all that said, here's what's RIGHT about it.
It's overbuilt...tougher than it needs to be. It can be disassembled and rebuilt by any idiot with a basic set of wrenches. The valvetrain is hydraulic, which means they never need adjusting. High-strung sportbikes need their valves tweaked as often as every 5,000 miles - less in the case of Ducatis. And the process is ugly on the Japanese bikes, downright hideous on Ducatis...doing your own valve adjust on a Jap sportbike is barely possible if you're GOOD, impossible on a Duc.
The power delivery is smooth and strong, but not "peaky" like a hyperactive Jap 600. I'm making as much power as most of them, at half the RPM and with a powerband twice as wide.
Even though the engine's bottom end and transmission are in the same block of metal in a Sportster, the oil pools are separate so each gets the right type of oil. Japanese practice is to run one pool of oil for both and then use oil that's a compromise between the two needs.
The Sportster bottom end and tranny are tough as nails and are unlikely to break. The top end CAN but it's pretty tough too.
That's not to say you can do stupid stuff.
Example: when I bought my Buell about six months ago, it came with a super-high-flow air intake (Forcewinder) on the stock carb, and only about 4,000 miles on it. I asked the seller whether or not the carb had been re-tuned for that intake and moderately good Yoshimura exhaust can, he said "yes". Silly me, I believed him...should have had it metered and checked.
So about 1,500 miles later at 80mph down the freeway on a hot day, the lean-out condition got wild enough to burn a hole in the front piston.
Sigh. The good news was, I got the bike at a real good price so I wasn't TOO screwed.
A bit of research later, I started ordering parts. I decided if I was going to tear it all down, I'd build it up right, basically replaced the barrels, pistons, rings, heads and while I was at it, put in a good Mikuni carb to replace that stock CV type.
Two weeks after placing that order (about $2,500 [WAIT, on edit the bill was $2900] worth of go-fast bits) I didn't just have the parts, I had the bike back together and running strong...doing all the wrenching myself and this was the third engine I'd ever rebuilt to this degree myself...none prior were Harleys of any sort.
This is NOT possible on a japbike.
Why $2900?
Instead of a 1200, I now have a 1250 - with ceramic-lined barrels, 10.5:1 compression forged race pistons with the 1998-era dome pattern, with 2004-spec bigger-valve heads with better port flow re-cut to the domed pistons (very hot setup), special adapter to let the 2004 heads work on the '97 frame.
The only way I could have gone hotter is with the 1450cc cylinder/piston kit but that means machining the original cases. The 1250 kit is a drop-in.
Now.
You want a hot Sportster?
Here's what you do:
Find an old 883 Sporty in good shape, mostly stock. 5speed tranny if possible but the 4sp ain't bad. Maybe one so old it's chain-drive, but still Evolution instead of "Ironhead". 18" rear rim versus 16" if at all possible...better handling potential.
First just ride it a while. Do minor mods to the suspension: fork brace, better rear shocks if you can find some at a good price (stock won't be too bad unless it's a "hugger", avoid those at all cost). Put steel-braided front brake lines in, and swap handlebars to something more "Cafe". Then dig around for a used set of "rearset" foot pegs, check the various sportster forums esp. http://xlforum.net/index.html - check the "cafe" subforum there, see what other people are building.
While the motor is still mild, learn to ride this thing right. Follow some friends who know what they're doing on sportbikes, follow them around the twisties and track their lines. Work up slow, feel what the frame is telling you as you push it.
Now you're ready to get cookin'.
You wanted to start with the 883 because while the motor's bottom end is the same as a 1200 (or my Buell for that matter) the 883's flywheel is lighter. It has more go-fast potential than the 1200.
Shop here, these guys rock:
http://www.nrhsperformance.com/
At a minimum, you want a 1250 barrel/piston kit with the Axtell Nikasil barrels and forged pistons - about $1200. You can order them set up for 883 heads and the results won't be too bad (your heads will need minor local machining or send them in to NRHS for matching to the barrels/pistons), but for best results get new heads to match. I went with stage 1 2004-spec.
But let's remember, my Buell already had good cams. You might get a more cost-effective boost with your existing heads and some wilder cams - talk to NRHS. I also strongly recommend the Mikuni 42 carb.
Running your stock heads, you could come in under $2,000. What you'll get will be both way hotter and tougher than stock.
It'll also be cheap to insure and will be a "sleeper" from hell
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Post by: Smith on January 11, 2006, 04:49:19 AM
A few websites to drool on:
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/
http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/home
http://www.triumphrat.net
http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/
Yummy..
On the other hand, you got your 250 about 2-3 months before I got my 500 and I have already put on over twice the milage you have...albeit not all on the 500. If you are not going to ride a lot, then a cruiser might be ok (please get a Japanese one though!). If you plan to put on a lot of miles then really consider something else.
CDN, is it wrong for me to already be thinking that I want a BMW GS in a few years (in addition to my current Sprint ST)? You know, I might want to go to Tierra del Fuego or something...
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 11, 2006, 09:22:57 AM
Jim- Thanks for the technical rundown, I'll have to give those guys a call when/if I decide to do the 883 conversion.
Smith- My problem is that I'm guilty of liking...well...everything! I like M3s, old musclecars, modified Civics, Harleys, Japanese cruisers, superbikes, cafe racers, and on and on and everything in between. I don't want to be a weekend dragstip hero or be at full lean at every corner. I just like being on two wheels, taking in the scenery, and only occasionally going wide open. I'm planning on putting a crazy amount of mileage on my next bike; why do you say to stay away from a cruiser for that?
Post by: CatsDieNow on January 11, 2006, 10:41:12 AM
Smith, you have my blessing to get an adventure-touring bike. (Not that any of you need it, of course).
Dan, maybe you want a touring bike instead? Something with bags, a comfortable seat, and a windscreen?
Post by: Strings on January 11, 2006, 10:54:06 AM
Think long and hard about that decision. If you plan on doing a fair amount of driving within city limits, you REALLY don't want a touring bike: they're great for hopping on the highway and goin' long distane, but suck for "just around town" driving...
I've got a '76 Goldwing (we call it the Hondapotomus). On the highway, it ain't bad at all: very comfortable. But in town, it handles with all the agility of your average aircraft carrier...
I love cruisers. I wouldn't mind having a touring bike, but only for long range trips. I'll be getting a newer simple cruiser this spring, and retiring the Hondapotomus...
Post by: Smith on January 11, 2006, 01:21:20 PM
If you want to out "serious" miles on a bike, go for something with legendary reliability and comfort. This is where test rides come in handy. Though admitedly Triumph isn't known for reliability, the latest ones are getting good marks in that category, and that's the reason I accepted them as a prospect. BMW is THE distance touring bike, but they are really pricey. Others include the XX and even the YZF600R. Find something that will put a smile on your face every day, and make you curse driving your car. Sit on EVERYTHING and ride anything they'll let you ride. BMW and Triumph have test ride programs just for this occasion...some Japanese companies do, some don't...and it's worth calling ever dealer in your area about it, and not just stopping at the first place that says no.
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 11, 2006, 01:51:07 PM
A neighbor picked up a limited edition 1998 model in showroom condition for under $6,000. That bike originally sold for over $11,000.
As for sport-touring bikes, Smith is right. I had the opportunity to ride a Honda ST1100 (I think that was the model designation). Great handling, smooth, good ground clearance. It seemed like the perfect balance between a street bike and a touring bike.
With my Springer, I put a T-Bag on the passenger seat behind me. It makes for a full-length backrest, and makes riding hundredss of miles every day very comfortable.
In the end, I have to be able to like the way a bike looks, and I don't think any bike looks as good as mine.
Post by: Strings on January 11, 2006, 05:02:44 PM
At least, until you climb on it, right? :neener:
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 12, 2006, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: CatsDieNow
I give up trying to keep you boys in line.
Smith, you have my blessing to get an adventure-touring bike. (Not that any of you need it, of course).
Dan, maybe you want a touring bike instead? Something with bags, a comfortable seat, and a windscreen?
I would never buy a touring bike as my only one...maybe as a third but never a first. I've narrowed it down to two options this spring:Smith, you have my blessing to get an adventure-touring bike. (Not that any of you need it, of course).
Dan, maybe you want a touring bike instead? Something with bags, a comfortable seat, and a windscreen?
-Kawa 636 w/ liability/theft/uninsured motorist insurance
-H-D 883C w/ full coverage
...who am I kidding, you know it is 90% that I'll end up with the 636 anyway...
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 12, 2006, 09:47:39 AM
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I raced a Harley today and after some really hard riding I managed to PASS the guy. I was riding on one of those really, really twisting sections of canyon road with no straight sections to speak of and where most of the curves have warning signs that say "15 MPH".
I knew if I was going to pass one of those monsters with those big-cubic-inch motors, it would have to be a place like this where handling and rider skill are more important than horsepower alone.
I saw the guy up ahead as I exited one of the turns and knew I could catch him, but it wouldn't be easy. I concentrated on my braking and cornering. three corners later, I was on his fender. Catching him was one thing; passing him would prove to be another.
Two corners later, I pulled up next to him as we sailed down the mountain. I think he was shocked to see me next to him, as I nearly got by him before he could recover. Next corner, same thing. I'd manage to pull up next to him as we started to enter the corners but when we came out he'd get on the throttle and outpower me. His horsepower was almost too much to overcome, but this only made me more determined than ever.
My only hope was to outbrake him. I held off squeezing the lever until the last instant. I kept my nerve while he lost his. In an instant I was by him. Corner after corner, I could hear the roar of his engine as he struggled to keep up. Three more miles to go before the road straightens out and he would pass me for good.
But now I was in the lead and he would no longer hold me back. I stretched out my lead and by the time we reached the bottom of the canyon, he was more than a full corner behind. I could no longer see him in my rear-view mirror.
Once the road did straighten out, it seemed like it took miles before he passed me, but it was probably just a few hundred yards. I was no match for that kind of horsepower, but it was done. In the tightest section of road, where bravery and skill count for more than horspower and deep pockets, I had passed him. though it was not easy, I had won the race to the bottom of the canyon and I had preserved the proud tradition of another of America's best bikes.
I will always remember that moment. I don't think I've ever pedaled so hard in my life. And some of the credit must go to Schwinn, as well. They really make a great bicycle...
Hilarious!
I knew if I was going to pass one of those monsters with those big-cubic-inch motors, it would have to be a place like this where handling and rider skill are more important than horsepower alone.
I saw the guy up ahead as I exited one of the turns and knew I could catch him, but it wouldn't be easy. I concentrated on my braking and cornering. three corners later, I was on his fender. Catching him was one thing; passing him would prove to be another.
Two corners later, I pulled up next to him as we sailed down the mountain. I think he was shocked to see me next to him, as I nearly got by him before he could recover. Next corner, same thing. I'd manage to pull up next to him as we started to enter the corners but when we came out he'd get on the throttle and outpower me. His horsepower was almost too much to overcome, but this only made me more determined than ever.
My only hope was to outbrake him. I held off squeezing the lever until the last instant. I kept my nerve while he lost his. In an instant I was by him. Corner after corner, I could hear the roar of his engine as he struggled to keep up. Three more miles to go before the road straightens out and he would pass me for good.
But now I was in the lead and he would no longer hold me back. I stretched out my lead and by the time we reached the bottom of the canyon, he was more than a full corner behind. I could no longer see him in my rear-view mirror.
Once the road did straighten out, it seemed like it took miles before he passed me, but it was probably just a few hundred yards. I was no match for that kind of horsepower, but it was done. In the tightest section of road, where bravery and skill count for more than horspower and deep pockets, I had passed him. though it was not easy, I had won the race to the bottom of the canyon and I had preserved the proud tradition of another of America's best bikes.
I will always remember that moment. I don't think I've ever pedaled so hard in my life. And some of the credit must go to Schwinn, as well. They really make a great bicycle...
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 12, 2006, 01:34:28 PM
You really had me going there, Daniel.
Unfortunately, though, I've had motorcycle riders like that try to take up my lane in the corners. I'm remembering Deal's Gap ("The Dragon") in particular. 300+ second-gear curves, and hotdog riders trying to set a record. It's really unnerving to find what little lane you have in a 180 degree switchback being taken over by some kid in a bright green racing suit bent on killing himself.
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 12, 2006, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Monkeyleg
You really had me going there, Daniel.
Unfortunately, though, I've had motorcycle riders like that try to take up my lane in the corners. I'm remembering Deal's Gap ("The Dragon") in particular. 300+ second-gear curves, and hotdog riders trying to set a record. It's really unnerving to find what little lane you have in a 180 degree switchback being taken over by some kid in a bright green racing suit bent on killing himself.
Post by: Guest on January 12, 2006, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: Daniel Flory
I would never buy a touring bike as my only one...maybe as a third but never a first. I've narrowed it down to two options this spring:
-Kawa 636 w/ liability/theft/uninsured motorist insurance
-H-D 883C w/ full coverage
...who am I kidding, you know it is 90% that I'll end up with the 636 anyway...
For the record, the term "touring bike" should always be taken with a grain of salt, as it is a term that can mean a lot of different things. For example Kawasaki's ZZR600 "touring bike" is simply a rebadged version of the previous generation ZX-6R. 4 years ago it was a super-sport and it still weighs less than 400 lbs. It is also a more comfortable and "streetable" bike than the 636. The Yamaha YZF-600R and Honda F4i are in the same class of extremely light-weight and agile "touring bikes" that offer significantly more performance than most people could ever hope to wring out of a motorcycle.
-Kawa 636 w/ liability/theft/uninsured motorist insurance
-H-D 883C w/ full coverage
...who am I kidding, you know it is 90% that I'll end up with the 636 anyway...
Post by: Strings on January 13, 2006, 12:44:12 AM
When I say "touring bike", I'm refering to something along the lines of a Harley Electraglide or Roadglide, or a Honda Goldwing. You know... the cars on two wheels, that you glance at the dash and then start looking for the missle controls, 'cause James Bond never had so many switches and suchlike...
Post by: Smith on January 13, 2006, 03:34:06 AM
Post by: Strings on January 13, 2006, 08:20:22 AM
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 13, 2006, 02:26:11 PM
Post by: Smith on January 13, 2006, 06:02:22 PM
Post by: Smith on January 15, 2006, 04:29:38 AM
If you are seriously holding the door open for sportbikes (like the 636) I'd really recommend you look at the ZZR600 and the YZF600r. The YZF almost had me. It's VERY comfy and cheap on the used market.
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 17, 2006, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: Smith
Color me confused. You are now bouncing between a Harley and a Kawa 636? To me that says that you really haven't looked nor sat on everything yet. I'd urge you to spend more time.
If you are seriously holding the door open for sportbikes (like the 636) I'd really recommend you look at the ZZR600 and the YZF600r. The YZF almost had me. It's VERY comfy and cheap on the used market.
Sorry I was out of town for a while. I've sat on both the Harley and 636. Obviously they are completely different animals. I guess I don't think it is much different than deciding to spend my money on a Single Action Army or another Glock. What advantages would you say the ZZR and YZF600r have over a 636? People say cheaper insurance but when I checked the ZZR's, it wasn't that much different.
If you are seriously holding the door open for sportbikes (like the 636) I'd really recommend you look at the ZZR600 and the YZF600r. The YZF almost had me. It's VERY comfy and cheap on the used market.
Post by: grampster on January 17, 2006, 04:35:45 PM
We have specialty companies that will write racing configuration bikes, but the premiums are usually double.
Post by: brimic on January 17, 2006, 04:49:19 PM
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There is a guy that just joined ST.N that rides his Goldwing like it's a supersport. He linked a video of him on Deal's Gap (everyone outside of Appalachia calls that the Dragon) and he was dragging pegs on every curve and passing sportbikes. I must say he's pretty impressive with that boat, but that doesn't mean that I'm interested in boats!
I went to a HOG rally about 5 or 6 years ago at the factory where my wife works. They had a course set up with cones in a parking lot where it was mainly low speed maneuvering that was timed. There were probably 100 or more entries with just about every type of Harley and Buell bike imaginable and it was won by a Milwaukee motorcycle cop on his personal (not issued) Electraglide. To be fair, there weren't any foreign superbikes and the typical envelop pushers that go with them in the contest, But there were quite a few riders Buell Lightnings and the nimble little Blasts entered.
Post by: Smith on January 17, 2006, 05:51:11 PM
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 17, 2006, 06:12:50 PM
I'll definitely be getting to test a lot of bikes before I buy since a dealer is one of my group's clients. They have Kawa, Victory, and Suzuki. The guys at the shop there actually taught me how to ride so I'm sure I could ride anything on their floorplan. To cloud things even further, I'll be looking at the BMW CS as well...
Post by: Guest on January 17, 2006, 11:07:52 PM
Quote from: Daniel Flory
Sorry I was out of town for a while. I've sat on both the Harley and 636. Obviously they are completely different animals. I guess I don't think it is much different than deciding to spend my money on a Single Action Army or another Glock. What advantages would you say the ZZR and YZF600r have over a 636? People say cheaper insurance but when I checked the ZZR's, it wasn't that much different.
They offer a more street friendly power band (midrange) and a much more comfortable riding position. I cant speak for the ZZR since I havent checked, but the YZF has a nearly cavernous underseat storage space (relatively). They are also a bit more mild mannered and *should* be cheaper to insure, although that doesnt seem to be the case for you (might do some insurance shopping). The bikes are also cheaper, and have been around longer so there is a healthy market in used parts/bikes.
Post by: Smith on January 18, 2006, 02:51:17 AM
Oh, don't forget the SV650s too.
Post by: CatsDieNow on January 18, 2006, 04:48:14 AM
Your insurance is going to go up based on two factors: How much of the the bike has fairing and the engine size.
That's one of the reasons I chose the 500. It wasn't a 600, and it's only half-faired. That plastic is expensive to paint and replace, and those darned kids are always crashing those 600cc sport bikes. The jump between a 500 and a 600 was significant, but I don't remember excatly how much.
Maybe Harleys have a chrome factor?
Post by: Smith on January 20, 2006, 06:51:32 AM
I'm off to jump on my Sprint again...wow this thing is awesome!
Post by: CatsDieNow on January 20, 2006, 07:09:12 AM
My memory may be fading in my old age, but didn't you say you were going to garage that ST for a while?
Didn't I also tell you that I didn't believe you when you said that?
Interesting...
(Glad you like it)
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 20, 2006, 09:32:34 AM
Quote from: Smith
Hey Dan, don't just leave us hanging, tell us what you get!
I'm off to jump on my Sprint again...wow this thing is awesome!
I'll probably be getting the next bike in March or April. I'll keep you posted and hopefully we can get together at some point if I'm down South to ride and have a few beers.
I'm off to jump on my Sprint again...wow this thing is awesome!
Post by: CatsDieNow on January 20, 2006, 10:25:04 AM
Post by: Smith on January 20, 2006, 03:14:52 PM
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Post by: ...has left the building. on January 21, 2006, 12:25:01 PM
E-mail sent sir!
Post by: atek3 on January 23, 2006, 03:53:10 PM
Harley announces new engine for 2006 model year
Harley Davidson announced that in it will introduce the newest model of engine to their lineup, the DKH [tinfoil] Super Single. Where the engine differs is in design. It will be a massive, eighty eight cubic inch single cylinder air cooled motor supported on twin ball bearing mounts for maximum rigidity. The shape of the valve cover is instantly both easily recognizable and unforgettable. Of course, it will be shaft driven for the final drive.
Its definitely a work of art. Miriam Baxter said, looking at the test model. I get excited on so many levels just looking at it.
When asked about the new changes in design philosophy, a spokesman at the Motor Company said we wanted to give the customers something they could really relate to. We think that the new [tinfoil] really represents our traditional, core buyers and what they look for in a Harley Davidson product.
When asked why the company has gone to a single cylinder model, we were told that vibration was far less than the older V-twin model even though the [tinfoil] still has all the power of the classic V-twin which it will eventually replace in the years to come. The sound of the new engine is somewhat different as well, being only a single cylinder, but the exhaust pipe is chrome plated and rather huge with one tester even referring to it as veiny in nature. Our test model was evidently a press beater, and the chrome pipe showed signs of blueing through constant flogging.
And what does the new [tinfoil] engine sound like?
Where the classic sound of the old engine was similar to potato-potato, Said a HD design team spokesman, this new engine sounds more like unf-unf and it only gets faster in tempo the more you get down on it.
Theres just something about this new engine. One test rider commented. I cant really explain, but when I hop on this thing, I know its going to be a great ride.
The new [tinfoil] will take its place among the ranks of other notable Harley engines such as the Knucklehead, the Panhead, and the Shovelhead. The spokesman added We believe the [tinfoil] is really going to fill some holes in the market.
Most of the current models will receive a new [tinfoil] engine as will a yet unnamed new model. Our inside sources say that the mystery model is probably going to be a [tinfoil] paired with an entry level Sportster, which really wont be all that surprising.
At first, look for a slow trickle of Dickheads to start showing up at the dealerships as the company closes down its hundredth anniversary celebration and ramps up for full production of the new models. Corporate sources also tell us that soon after that, all of the dealerships should be chock full of Dickheads.
It will be standing room only when all of the Dickheads hit the sales floor. A spokesperson commented.
The Harley [tinfoil]. Its what were going to base our new corporate sales policy around. Were totally committed to getting all the Dickheads we can into our dealerships. The company spokesman said. Thats where were really going to see a jump in profit, from sales made off of all of the Dickheads."
The Harley Davidson [tinfoil]. If you havent seen one yet, just stop by your local Harley Davidson dealership where youll find plenty on display.
Post by: atek3 on January 23, 2006, 04:01:19 PM
DON'T DO IT DAN!!
Cruisers are weaksauce (no offense to cruiser owners). If you want to get something that handles as well as a shopping cart get a mid 1980's ford taurus. You're young, get a fun bike. Don't limit yourself to a 636. Evaluate what you want out of a bike and how much you want to spend. The second tier sports bikes like the ZZR, the yzf600R, the F4i, all have far inferior suspension and brakes to a modern supersport. Even if you don't "need" the capability, I'd recommend getting a minty used condition 2003-2004 supersport over a new second-tier bike.
Why are your insurance rates so high? I'm 24, for me liab/comp/theft on my 2003 SV650S and my 1989 GS500 was 444 dollars a year. Me thinks you need to shop around. if you are 25, I hear state farm has great rates.
Also consider going to a track school that lets you rent a bike (such as penguin, STAR, california superbike, etc.), by improving your skills even at a sedate pace your "skill reserve" will large in case you have to deal with the unexpected, DY crosser, bad pavement, no traction, etc.
atek3
PS I'm going to star school in april probably
PPS I got my acceptance letter from krannert for 2006. Not sure wear I'm going though.
Post by: ...has left the building. on January 25, 2006, 09:45:53 AM
atek3- CONGRATS! If you come to Purdue that would rock. You already have someone here to shoot and ride with. lol@the Harley story.
I think my rates are so high because I'm ultra high risk with one speeding ticket and a 5mph fender bender. I say that tongue in cheek because I didn't expect such minor infractions to have such a large impact on my insurance rates. I'll be 25 in November. I can't get the 636 out of my head. IMHO it is the best looking sportbike of all time.
Post by: atek3 on January 25, 2006, 02:10:38 PM
Granted the 636 looks super ill. It might be wise to weight until november, a) so you can get lower insurance rates and b) so you can save a fortune buying a 636 when it is raining/snowing/cloudy. If I were in your shoes I'd be taking the two-fiddy to the track to work on your cornering skills, preferably at a track school. Then when you get the 636 in the fall you can be as safe or as hooliganish as you desire.
Purdue is a good school but whether I go is contingent on the acceptance/financial aid packages offered by other schools. I'm pretty confident about my admission chances at Tuck, but Hanover, NH is 90 minutes from EVERYWHERE, shooting, cities, civilization. I'm not sure I could do a 3 hour round trip just to hit an IPSC match, and IPSC is way cool. OTOH you're also 90 minutes from Loudon International Raceway
atek3
Post by: Smith on January 25, 2006, 05:03:03 PM
Post by: atek3 on January 25, 2006, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: Smith
Dan, I'm the same way about the Honda 919, but it's not the right bike for me because of all the things it can't do well. You need to find one that does both...makes you forsake your car day after day, AND does everything you need.
double true. I'm digging my SV650S. It's not the prettiest, the fastest, or the most comfortable, but it does everything well enough. With minor modifications it is good for the track, twisties, commuting, and in a pinch sport-touring.atek3