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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: roo_ster on July 16, 2011, 04:55:42 PM
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http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/woman-arrested-for-groping-tsa-agent-07152011_14151365
Court records show 61-year-old Yukari Mihamae grabbed the left breast of the female agent Thursday at the Terminal 4 checkpoint.
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Mihamae now faces a felony count of sexual abuse.
Hey, turnabout's fair play. Crying to other LEOs becasue someone does to them what they do to others on a daily basis shows what whiny oxygen thieves they are.
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I saw the title of this thread and was like
"Oh look, another case of the TSA getting way out of...
Wait...
WAT?"
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Jury nullification.
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don't bet on that
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'"Tonight at 11; Man Bites Dog"'
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I'm surprised we heard about it. TSA does not want the herd getting ideas.
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When Fox News national picks it up from their affiliate, will they be able to report the incident without using the phrase "tittie twister"? (I don't think they can do it)
[popcorn]
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I doubt any jury would convict her...........................................chris3
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I doubt any jury would convict her...........................................chris3
If she went to jury trial and got off, I wonder what message that would send to TSA agents?
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Uhm, turnabout is fair play?
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don't bet on that
Get me on the jury, I'll give you odds.
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http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/woman-arrested-for-groping-tsa-agent-07152011_14151365
Hey, turnabout's fair play. Crying to other LEOs becasue someone does to them what they do to others on a daily basis shows what whiny oxygen thieves they are.
If memory serves, the TSA folk are not LEOs. I am amused by the charges. The irony is clearly lost on some bureaucrats.
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I'm gabberflasted.
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Sad thing is the woman will likley be convicted as a sex offender and have to register as such for the rest of her life.
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She's 61, bet she has a good idea how long she has left. way to go out swinging. =)
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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/07/18/longmont-woman-draws-national-attention-in-tsa-groping-case/
Some Facebook users who are obviously frustrated with the strict procedures of the Transportation Safety Administration have set up a Facebook page expressing their support for Mihamae. News of the “Acquit Yukari Mihamae” brought some different reactions from travelers on Sunday at Denver International Airport.
I am not a fan of anarchy, but our gov't has forfeited the automatic assumption of best intentions long ago.
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Wonder what'd happen if people started sticking Pedobear stickers on various parts of the TSA areas as they passed through checkpoints, on TSA employees' cars, on drink glasses at the bars they hang out, etc.?......
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don't bet on that
If it were in VA, you could bank that I'd hang that jury pushing for nullification.
If it's not sexual assault when THEY do it, why isn't it okay for everyone all the time? If it IS sexual assault when "the little people" do it, why ISN't it when they do? ??? :mad:
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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/07/18/longmont-woman-draws-national-attention-in-tsa-groping-case/
I am not a fan of anarchy, but our gov't has forfeited the automatic assumption of best intentions long ago.
With every day, I am forced to ask the question And anarchy would be worse, how? more and more often.
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With every day, I am forced to ask the question And anarchy would be worse, how? more and more often.
Onetime National Review contributor (the late) Joe Sobran reached the same conclusion: the Reluctant Anarchist (http://www.sobran.com/reluctant.shtml). Worth a read. IMHO, YMMV.
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I've been a juror a few times on minor cases, but would LOVE to be a juror on this case. >:D
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Onetime National Review contributor (the late) Joe Sobran reached the same conclusion: the Reluctant Anarchist (http://www.sobran.com/reluctant.shtml). Worth a read. IMHO, YMMV.
And now he's dead. Coincidence?
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I hold the TSA in the same contemptable low regard that I have for the waffen BATFEces.
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Looks like protected speech to me, kind of like flag burning but without bothering anybody. Hurray for the First Amendment!
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With every day, I am forced to ask the question And anarchy would be worse, how? more and more often.
We would be oppressed by and suffer indignities from folks willing to be honest about "might makes right" rather than hide behind and leach dignity from the rule of law?
Onetime National Review contributor (the late) Joe Sobran reached the same conclusion: the Reluctant Anarchist (http://www.sobran.com/reluctant.shtml). Worth a read. IMHO, YMMV.
Sobran was a terrific columnist.
He made the mistake of questioning America's near-unquestioning support of Israel and was made pariah by Israel's "Amen" chorus in the USA. It was the sort of thing to provide ammunition to Israel's and American Jewry's worst critics...and show up many conventional elite conservative writers as craven in the face of illegitimate charges of anti-semitism.
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Ah, Buckleyist purging of the ranks at its finest.
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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/07/19/no-felony-charges-for-longmont-woman-in-tsa-groping-case/
No felony charges will be filed against the Colorado woman who allegedly sexually assaulted a Transportation Security Administration agent in Phoenix.
On Tuesday the Maricopa County district attorney decided to turn the case of Yukari Miyamae, 61, of Longmont over to city prosecutors. She could still be charged with a misdemeanor.
She will not be put on the sex offender registry. She probably will not get jail time for a first offense, even though it was a "violent" one.
The downside is she does not get a jury trial, thus no chance for nullification as a "message" to TSA and their handlers. I'm pretty much willing to bet the paycheck that no judge would deliver that verdict.
stay safe.
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She will not be put on the sex offender registry. She probably will not get jail time for a first offense, even though it was a "violent" one.
The downside is she does not get a jury trial, thus no chance for nullification as a "message" to TSA and their handlers. I'm pretty much willing to bet the paycheck that no judge would deliver that verdict.
Then again....doesn't she get to appeal?....that alone should keep the story going and embarass the prosecution....
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Well, yeah, she could appeal and take a chance on nullification, but does Sociable Security cover the expense?
As much as I lol'd I'm not chipping in for her lawyer costs.
stay safe.
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I wonder if she has been added to the No-Fly list?
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I wonder if she has been added to the No-Fly list?
It wouldn't surprise me. She'll find out the next time she flies.
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Then again....doesn't she get to appeal?....that alone should keep the story going and embarass the prosecution....
Appeal what? According to the story, no felony charges have been filed, the case has been turned over to the city, which may or may not institute a misdemeanor charge; considering the publicity, unless there's a LOT of behind-the-scenes arm twisting, my guess is that the locals won't be too eager to get embroiled in a case involving TSA that the Feds aren't going to pursue. Besides, even though IANAL, it's my understanding that appeals take place after conviction at trial; no trial, no conviction, no appeal.
Well, yeah, she could appeal and take a chance on nullification, but does Sociable Security cover the expense?
Lead story said she was only 61 and self-employed, so SS wouldn't seem to be a factor unless she's getting disability payments or something. And I suspect there would be any number of lawyers willing to take her case, just for the publicity.
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Lead story said she was only 61 and self-employed, so SS wouldn't seem to be a factor unless she's getting disability payments or something. And I suspect there would be any number of lawyers willing to take her case, just for the publicity.
Heck, if she was charged, I'd donate a couple hundred bucks for her defense fund. MicroBalrog once asked me why I spent a fair amount out of pocket to help out his fledgling Israeli libertarian group and have Israeli Gadsden flags made up. I'm an American. It's kinda my sacred duty to support anyone that pokes the stormtroopers and/or hippies of the world in the eye. This is a bit more literal than intended, but should be commended and supported.
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It's kinda my sacred duty to support anyone that pokes the stormtroopers and/or hippies of the world in the eye.
If we could just get the hippies and the stormtroopers at each others throats. They might do like the gingham dog and the calico cat... (literary reference. Sorry.)
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If we could just get the hippies and the stormtroopers at each others throats. They might do like the gingham dog and the calico cat... (literary reference. Sorry.)
There's two types of hippies. The stoner kind that are too busy having "deep" conversations and living in a drug induced coma. They are too disorganized to be coherent, let alone impact anything. Look at the stoner attempts at Legalization. Then there is the kind that lives to control all of those around them to create an unrealistic "utopian" hell because they enjoy controlling others and believe they have the moral high ground.
"Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds
Stormtroopers and the second type of hippy are natural allies. Ends justify the means. To make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs. Etc. Stormtroopers are fairly honest in their intentions. They like power, structure and order. They generally don't care about the doctrine, other to pay it lipservice. Type 2 hippies are zealots. They believe in their dogma and doctrine in a manner no different than any religious fanatic found throughout history. Logic, reason, compassion have no place in their belief structures.
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We would be oppressed by and suffer indignities from folks willing to be honest about "might makes right" rather than hide behind and leach dignity from the rule of law?
Sobran was a terrific columnist.
He made the mistake of questioning America's near-unquestioning support of Israel and was made pariah by Israel's "Amen" chorus in the USA.
His disaffection from American conservatism parallels mine, though I ended up with a grimmer position than his.
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Heck, if she was charged, I'd donate a couple hundred bucks for her defense fund. MicroBalrog once asked me why I spent a fair amount out of pocket to help out his fledgling Israeli libertarian group and have Israeli Gadsden flags made up. I'm an American. It's kinda my sacred duty to support anyone that pokes the stormtroopers and/or hippies of the world in the eye. This is a bit more literal than intended, but should be commended and supported.
I think this kinda of captures your sentiment....
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.