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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jamie B on October 31, 2011, 09:30:41 AM
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html
During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.
Seems that the 2 anonymous (for now)women received 5 figure payments, and signed non-disclosure agreements.
The Cain campaign will be imploding shortly, I am sure.
Of course, there will be the requisite denials from the candidate until real the truth begins to surface.
Bye, Bye, Baby!
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Not like he diddled an intern in the Oval Office with a cigar. [popcorn]
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http://news.investors.com/Article.aspx?id=589879&p=2
Ironically, part of Cain's powerful appeal this year is that he is a businessman, not a professional politician. Had he been a professional politician not named Obama or Bush, he likely would have seen this problem coming long ago.
If this were Obama, it would already have been white washed.
IMO, it all depends on what exactly happened. 5 figure payments sounds to me like shut up and go away money, not serious claim money.
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Nonspecific accusations dating back a decade or more from anonymous people are SO credible we HAVE to dump the person they're leveled against . . . if he's a Republican.
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Nonspecific accusations dating back a decade or more from anonymous people are SO credible we HAVE to dump the person they're leveled against . . . if he's a Republican.
Of course! It's the seriousness of the charge, not the nature of the evidence!
It's too important to wait for things like FACTS!
Wait, is this a Republicans are women-haters or a global warming thread? Eh, not like it matters.
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Nonspecific accusations dating back a decade or more from anonymous people are SO credible we HAVE to dump the person they're leveled against . . . if he's a Republican.
Ah, it is a media creation plot, and because he is a Republican he must be innocent?
Silly me.....
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No it's because the exact same tactic was tried to discredit Clarence Thomas. Now Bill Clinton was smart enough to stick with people that discredited themselves and John Edwards had a free media pass until the baby turned up and he ditched his dying wife. No double standard here, nope!
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Ah, it is a media creation plot, and because he is a Republican he must be innocent?
Silly me.....
No, he may be guilty. However, given the EXACT SAME ALLEGATIONS came out against McCain in 2008 (and were completely false), we are more than a little wary of narratives pushed by the liberal media.
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No, he may be guilty. However, given the EXACT SAME ALLEGATIONS came out against McCain in 2008 (and were completely false), we are more than a little wary of narratives pushed by the liberal media.
Yep, toss in Clarence Thomas for good measure.
I'll wait & see, thanks, before running around like a chicken with my head cut off.
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This apparently happened 20 years ago. Depending on what it entails, I see little correlation with the present. Somebody made some more money. Politics is dirty business. Remember Bill Clinton. His behavior was a fact, lied under oath, and he was still re-elected.
Jamie B, don't vote for Cain. You wouldn't have anyway based on your phrasing.
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Seems that the 2 anonymous (for now)women received 5 figure payments, and signed non-disclosure agreements.
The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures
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Who are these sources? If the women are barred from talking about their departures does that mean they have returned those settlements?
POLITICO has confirmed the identities of the two female restaurant association employees who complained about Cain but, for privacy concerns, is not publishing their names.
Not publishing their names for privacy concersn also makes it a little tough to fact check these allegations.
POLITICO learned of the allegations against him, and over the course of several weeks, has put together accounts of what happened by talking to a lengthy roster of former board members, current and past staff and others familiar with the workings of the trade group at the time Cain was there.
Are we not including their names for privacy concerns also? Again it makes it awfully hard to fact check things when the sources remain confidential.
To give the author his due, on page 4 of the article there are people supporting Herman Cain and saying that they don't believe it, that they did not hear of these allegations when he was with the association and that he was "too gracious" to do something like that. I noticed that the author did include those peoples names.
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In a matter of honor you don't take a financial pay-out as recompense.
But, yes, let us wait for the facts. My suspicion is it's that same Coke can...
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Jamie B, don't vote for Cain. You wouldn't have anyway based on your phrasing.
My phrasing has nothing to do with anything.
I detest liars and snakes who live in the political arena.
I also recognize that people today take responsibility for very little, and lie sincerely when caught.
Our boy Anthony Weiner was the most recent example of this.
We will see where this goes, but Cain will reap what he sowed, just as everyone does, in the end.
Cain and his camp are speaking out of both sides of their mouths on this, so it looks quite suspicious.
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Wait, is this a Republicans are women-haters or a global warming thread? Eh, not like it matters.
One nice thing about Cain doing well in polls and staw polls is that it has been at least 3 or 4 weeks since I heard some idjit (Sean Penn, Jeanine Garofalo, etc.) say that the tea partiers are racist and Republicans don't like Obama because he is black.
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One nice thing about Cain doing well in polls and staw polls is that it has been at least 3 or 4 weeks since I heard some idjit (Sean Penn, Jeanine Garofalo, etc.) say that the tea partiers are racist and Republicans don't like Obama because he is black.
Last I had heard, Cain's ascendancy PROVED Republicans are racist, because they're just supporting Hermain Cain to fool people into thinking they aren't racist. (Seriously, this came out of that idiot Garafalo's mouth.)
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Cain knew the story was coming out. Time will tell if there is any truth to the story. Meanwhile, Cain is beginning to worry some very important people. One could make the case Romney's people are responsible since he has the most to lose the soonest. The other case is the democrat establishment performed the hit because Cain is cutting into the last group that supports the president. Interesting to say the least.
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"Hey, where are the white women at?"
No, wait, that wasn't Cain. That was Sheriff Bart. Nevermind.
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Agreed Waitone.
I detest liars and snakes who live in the political arena.
I also recognize that people today take responsibility for very little, and lie sincerely when caught.
Me too! Honestly, I would not be surprised if something didn't happen back then. I want to wait and see what the facts are as best I can. But it sounds like the facts may be difficult to come by. Anyone can make a charge. Cain denies making any payment. Speaking as a man, I suspect that some woman could probably come up with something I said years ago that could be construed as very incorrect behavior these days.
My favorite of late is Romney's comment that he would not hire illegal aliens, I'm running for president. Found that to be extremely funny and Freudian. Hey Man! Get with the program. I'm running for president!
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Agreed Waitone.
My favorite of late is Romney's comment that he would not hire illegal aliens, I'm running for president. Found that to be extremely funny and Freudian. Hey Man! Get with the program. I'm running for president!
No kidding. The 2nd time that he was advised that the hired lawnboys were illegals and there was a story about it about to hit, then, and only then, does he do anything.
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Right.
Non-specific sexual harassment claim from years ago, settlements not really large enough to sound like it was anything big if anything at all. I fail to see the big major impact.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html
This?......if anything, this shows that he's eminently qualified for an elected postion in Washington D.C...... :laugh:
Still unsubstantiated rumor....not even worth noticing at this point.... ;/
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Given the amounts paid, it sounds like it was cheaper to pay them and make them go away then to fight. Saw this numerous times (not only Sexual Harrassment charges, not me.) when I was working. It was cheaper to payoff and make them go away, then go through the long, drawn-out legal process and pay lawyers more then what we were offering to settle.
Tempest in a Teapot. They had to dig up something to "Hit" him with. So the tired and true Clarence Thomas Strategy. And they can hit him with it and it's not "racist".
It's outrageous and bullshit.
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Given the amounts paid, it sounds like it was cheaper to pay them and make them go away then to fight. Saw this numerous times (not only Sexual Harrassment charges, not me.) when I was working. It was cheaper to payoff and make them go away, then go through the long, drawn-out legal process and pay lawyers more then what we were offering to settle.
Tempest in a Teapot. They had to dig up something to "Hit" him with. So the tired and true Clarence Thomas Strategy. And they can hit him with it and it's not "racist".
It's outrageous and bull*expletive deleted*.
Of course it's Racismâ„¢, if the Republicans were just smart enough to spin it that way! (but they are not)
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Cain deserves to lose this fight.
He has had 10 days to prepare, as Politico contacted him prior to running the story.
The Cain camp refused to respond.
Watching the news bites this AM, his story is changing from"I do not remember anything" to specific details of the one woman to Greta on Fox last night.
How typical that the denials turn into details. He is done - it is just a question of time now......
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If what Mr. Cain said to Gretha is true, he is far from done. Again, anyone can make a claim and obviously this claim has at least some substance because the person involved was moved out of the organization via a settlement. Cain believes the settlement is about what a responsible business would give an employee during a termination.
Cain said he didn't respond to the allegations of Politico until he knew for sure what the allegations were (aka published them). Seems pretty reasonable to me. There was an incident, but in Cain's words it was dismissed as not being substantive and it was back in the 1990's. Cain said he barely remembered the incident and had to try to remember as correctly as possible; hence the building comments. More than likely, Cain called the National Resturant Association for details from their files. There is no question that it was a cheap shot if what Cain has said is true.
This also fits with Cain's Mo in that he has to define a problem before you can address it. Responding to something that you don't even know for sure what the allegations are is stupid. You will notice he did not deny the allegations to Politico. He didn't because he knew there was an incident and wanted to be sure just what the allegations were. Did the allegations match his memory of the situation?
Not everyone in politics or wanting to be in politics is a scoundrel.
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Actually a good move to determine just what they think they have on you. Don't want to admit to something no one knows about.
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Cain deserves to lose this fight.
It sounds more like you really want him to lose this fight.
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He does if he is a liar, and he seems to be.
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A liar ... or just unprepared for the attack? ??? ???
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A liar ... or just unprepared for the attack? ??? ???
Actually, Politico claimed that they contacted his campaign 10 days before the release.
At this point, Cain's team is guilty of dropping the response ball, if nothing else.
I think that the deeper story is who fed the initial information to Politico.
I saw one of the Politico folks interviewed last night, and they refused to disclose the initial source.
When asked of it was one of the other campaigns, they refused to answer that question.
Maybe the Perry or Romney camps - this seems to be the most interesting question at this point in time.
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Weiner. Edwards. Clinton. Kennedy.
Weiner. Edwards. Clinton. Kennedy.
Weiner. Edwards. Clinton. Kennedy.
Weiner. Edwards. Clinton. Kennedy.
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Underwear. Bridge. Cigar. Corndog.
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Corndog?????????????????????????
notgonnaasknotgonnaasknotgonnaasknotgonnaaskodearg_dpassthebrainbleach!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Unless there is a great deal more to this than what has been reported so far, this will be nothing and Cain will be fine. So far, I am not seeing anything even approaching political scandals of the past.
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I just watched Cain on FNC, and I liked what I saw. The man is conservative, standing up to Krauthammer, who I have believed for a couple of weeks doesn't like Cain. Cain seems to have strong convictions about what's right, which Romney doesn't. Cain shares this with Palin and Bachman, BTW.
I think the Politico hit piece was shameful journalism its worst. I'm thinking of sending Cain some money. I would be comfortable with him as President.
TC
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Actually, Politico claimed that they contacted his campaign 10 days before the release.
At this point, Cain's team is guilty of dropping the response ball, if nothing else.
I think that the deeper story is who fed the initial information to Politico.
I saw one of the Politico folks interviewed last night, and they refused to disclose the initial source.
When asked of it was one of the other campaigns, they refused to answer that question.
Maybe the Perry or Romney camps - this seems to be the most interesting question at this point in time.
Yea -- Cain DEFINANTLY needs a better and larger team ....plus he needs to bone up on foreign relations. Saying he'll surround himself by experts may be political reality for all politicos but it doesn't cut it very well in TV interviews and campaigning.
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Cain needs to get better, that's true.
But who running for President doesn't?
Obama has foreign experience? At what? Turning the MENA into a Caliphate?
What we need isn't a President with "experience," it's a President with values and spine who understands where we stand and what needs to be done.
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I heard some discussion on the radio today indicated that Cain was/is likely bound by a confidentiality agreement between the accuser and the Restaurant Association. There was some commentary by some lawyer types that he likely isn't supposed to even mention there was a financial settlement. Another guy who claimed to be a former HR manager mentioned that he may not have been involved in the investigation/settlement aside from as a witness being interviewed.
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Actually, Politico claimed that they contacted his campaign 10 days before the release.se
At this point, Cain's team is guilty of dropping the response ball, if nothing else.
Jamie B, Politico is a left wing liberal group. You give them way too much credit. If someone told you they were doing a story on you about something generally considered questionable behavior, wouldn't you want to actually see what they are going to say? People say a lot of things, but until it is in print, they can deny anything and report whatever they feel like to make you look good or bad. That's the press... You repond early and they twist your words. Remember Cain has access to national TV. Better to say nothing until you are ready. However, he should have been a little better prepared. Does that make him a bad guy? All I can think of is that Cain felt it was so ridiculous at the beginning that it did not merit his attention.
I think it is shameful reporting and intended to make people think exactly the way you do... liar, dropping the ball, etc. Herman Cain is such a breath of fresh air in the political campaign. But I'm afraid that the powers that be will eventually eat him up and spit him out.
(Added) There is a report this evening that the amount was $35K or about 1 year's salary for the individual involved. This does not jive with severance amounts mentioned by Cain in interviews on Monday. No question this is a hatchet job on Cain, but this is troubling. Now I want to know the truth.
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I am well aware of the political landscape here.
BTW, call Herman and tell him that China has had nuclear capability since 1964 (he indicated to PBS that he worried about them acquiring nuclear technology).
Also, watch Herman on O Rielly last night - Bill called him on not being prepared for the story.
And yes, I am aware of the political persuasion of all of these groups.
Cain is devoid of any foreign policy knowledge (Uz-Becky-Becky-Becky-stan, and see China above), and also common sense.
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I am well aware of the political landscape here.
BTW, call Herman and tell him that China has had nuclear capability since 1964 (he indicated to PBS that he worried about them acquiring nuclear technology).
Also, watch Herman on O Rielly last night - Bill called him on not being prepared for the story.
And yes, I am aware of the political persuasion of all of these groups.
Cain is devoid of any foreign policy knowledge (Uz-Becky-Becky-Becky-stan, and see China above), and also common sense.
So what you are saying is that you didn't like Cain anyway and are just using this opportunity to run him down. Thanks.
As you are saying, you have other reasons for not liking him. IMO, basing any dislike on this story is not sensible.
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As you are saying, you have other reasons for not liking him. IMO, basing any dislike on this story is not sensible.
Not at all. Your opinion is wrong.
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Frankly, I don't give a damn. Everyone on each side is simply going to believe what they wanted to. Cain's a perv, and he did it. The "victim" was simply out for a pay-off, or had a vendetta, or just went intentionally overboard-PC about something that could have been interpreted in more than one way.
However, while two data points is not a statistic, I sort of have a hunch there's a trend with Cain and Clarence Thomas that the Left likes to go all "Oh no, the black guy is gonna get all grabby with the wimminz!" When of course, they tolerate all sorts of known philanderers within their own party, and really only throw them to the wolves when it counts for nothing, like Wiener, where his district was disappearing anyway...
Any incumbent with a down economy and unemployment over 7% and under 50% approval ratings, even a corpse could defeat Obama.
I just want Romney OUT of this race, period. Someone who set up the first major .gov socialized medicine system in the U.S. simply has no place in the GOP.
Huntsman and Gingrich... no love for them either, but I don't think they're factors in the race.
Besides the general resurgence of conservatism that Obama and the Tea Party has created, the other side of the coin is getting RINO's out of the party, and out of office.
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Maybe someone can convince Thompson to run.
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I can't believe it, but I've warmed up to Gingrich. He's still not my first choice, but should Cain flame-out, I'll vote for the guy who's has a good record of conservative governance.
I'd still prefer an executive, and I'd still prefer someone with sound moral character (he may have, since his 3rd marriage, become moral, but after 2 marriages ended by his infidelity, there's no proof), but most of all I prefer a conservative.
Gingrich may get my vote by being the least unacceptable candidate in the race.
Cain's still got my support for now, though.
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I can't believe it, but I've warmed up to Gingrich. He's still not my first choice, but should Cain flame-out, I'll vote for the guy who's has a good record of conservative governance.
I'd still prefer an executive, and I'd still prefer someone with sound moral character (he may have, since his 3rd marriage, become moral, but after 2 marriages ended by his infidelity, there's no proof), but most of all I prefer a conservative.
Gingrich may get my vote by being the least unacceptable candidate in the race.
Cain's still got my support for now, though.
Gingrich's ideological purity is extremely suspect. The way he's gon pal'ing around with the MMGW crowd and cap-n-trade schemes, and Pelosi & Co. when she was in power is not encouraging to me.
Not so much because he believed in those things, but because he'll flip anywhere to maintain some relevance or power. It would be fine if it were the Tea Party who had him tightly by the short-n-curlies, but I'm not sure who or what interests he truly represents.
His commanding performance with the "Contract With America" after '94 looks not so much now as him being an upsurping conservative iconoclast trying to tear down the Left's spending and excesses under Clinton, but merely as someone opportunistically riding a wave.
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Gingrich's ideological purity is extremely suspect. The way he's gon pal'ing around with the MMGW crowd and cap-n-trade schemes, and Pelosi & Co. when she was in power is not encouraging to me.
Not so much because he believed in those things, but because he'll flip anywhere to maintain some relevance or power. It would be fine if it were the Tea Party who had him tightly by the short-n-curlies, but I'm not sure who or what interests he truly represents.
His commanding performance with the "Contract With America" after '94 looks not so much now as him being an upsurping conservative iconoclast trying to tear down the Left's spending and excesses under Clinton, but merely as someone opportunistically riding a wave.
And he's still an acceptable not-Romney.
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>And he's still an acceptable not-Romney. <
That describes damn near everyone IN Washington.
As much as I want to see Obama out of office, I don't want it at the cost of putting another RINO in. If we do that, we just validated (again) their belief that paying lip service when forced to is enough to keep getting elected...
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>And he's still an acceptable not-Romney. <
That describes damn near everyone IN Washington.
As much as I want to see Obama out of office, I don't want it at the cost of putting another RINO in. If we do that, we just validated (again) their belief that paying lip service when forced to is enough to keep getting elected...
What he said.
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>And he's still an acceptable not-Romney. <
That describes damn near everyone IN Washington.
As much as I want to see Obama out of office, I don't want it at the cost of putting another RINO in. If we do that, we just validated (again) their belief that paying lip service when forced to is enough to keep getting elected...
Are you willing to have 4 more years of BO in order to hold onto your ideals? And NO, I do not want another RINO in office. I just think that BO would do more harm than can be repaired in our lifetime.
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Are you willing to have 4 more years of BO in order to hold onto your ideals? And NO, I do not want another RINO in office. I just think that BO would do more harm than can be repaired in our lifetime.
And I think a RINO would do more harm than can be repaired in our lifetime.
We CAN'T have another mushy moderate Republican that leads to another Democrat super-majority in congress and a Democrat president.
I'd prefer dealing with Obama and a Republican congress that leads to a real conservative in office than to deal with a moderate Republican and a Republican congress that try to "appeal to the middle" and "reach across the isle" that doesn't fix anything and makes people fed up with the Republicans again so they put in another "HOPE AND CHANGE" democrat.
We can't survive another 2 years like the Democrats got from 2009-2011. We can survive four more years of this. This sucks, but it's not as bad at 09-11.
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>Are you willing to have 4 more years of BO in order to hold onto your ideals? And NO, I do not want another RINO in office. I just think that BO would do more harm than can be repaired in our lifetime.<
Can you honestly say that 4 years of Romney would be better than Obama?
Is there REALLY any difference between the two, besides their faith and the letter next to their name?
The difference that I could see between the two would be us again validating the Republican belief that they can ignore the actual conservatives and libertarians under their tent, just like we did with George W. We keep doing that (like we have been), is there any bloody point to continuing?
I plan on voting in the primary. If Romney gets the nod, I will vote Libertarian. Hell, I'll write in Mickey Mouse, even HE would be a better choice!
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Personally, I would rather see Cain than any of the dwarfs. At the very least, the first 4 years of Romney he would be governing for re-election. After that, we replace him. =D
Second choice would be Paul. He promotes the side of freedom.
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Count me in with the group that says a RINO garnering a "mandate" and winning the office is far more damaging than an Obama lame duck incumbent.
Especially if the Tea Party and real conservatives make more inroads as is expected, in the House and especially the Senate. There's supposed to be LOTS of wishy-washy purple State seats up for grab in the Senate this time around, that haven't gotten to ride the Tea Party wave yet and ride the anti-NeoCon wave of 2006.
GOP will go 60/40 in the Senate. Especially if the Electorate is smart enough to throw the election if it's "Giant *expletive deleted*che"/"Turd Sandwich" on the ballot for POTUS.
A resounding "meh" will dribble from our mouths and ballot pens, with a Romney GOP nomination.
I know I'll write in Ron Paul if still running, or some Libertarian/Constitutional party candidate at the time if he's not.
Didn't vote for McCain in 2008, and I will NEVER put a check mark next to Romney. Ever. Ever.
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Reading this thread is a perfect backgrounder for understanding how secession comes about. NONE of the candidates--and of course this includes Obama--have the standing to govern the America of 2011 and beyond. We should understand what that implies culturally and become pragmatists.
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I think the only mandate the next president will have is "undo anything obama." Our greatest challenge is to deliver up a conservative House and Senate. Hopefully some majority leaders with a backbone. I really don't want to see Boehner play lapdog to Romney.
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Are you willing to have 4 more years of BO in order to hold onto your ideals? And NO, I do not want another RINO in office. I just think that BO would do more harm than can be repaired in our lifetime.
There are other ways to defeat Obama & Co. than electing a RINO....even if BHO gets re-elected....
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You know, Rick Perry's campaign team makes a great deal of sense as to the source of all these allegations since it is reported he has two of the National Restaurant ass movers and shakers on his "team" who might have direct knowledge of the events from years ago. Perry has the most to gain immediately and he might well move from 3rd or 4th to 2nd. Dirty business. Perry plays dirty as I undestand his the way the last TX gov race played out. I will say this, if it turns out that Perry did this, I would rather vote for anyone other than Perry.
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Perry might be that desperate, but I think than Cain is also desperate enough to lob the accusations at the Perry camp just to cover himself.
Seems like a tennis match that nobody deserves to win.....
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The advice that time needs to move forward so that Cain can simply say that we have already hashed out the accusations and so forth. It would not surprise me that there is a hint of truth in the accusations. They will resurface during the national election if Cain was chosen as the nominee. But it will depend on the substance of the accusatons. Republicans tend to have somewhat rigid views on morality and Democrats often don't seem to care. They just want to win.
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Could Perry be responsible for this?.....just ask Debra Medina & Kay Bailey Hutchison....
Wonder when Glenn Beck will schedule Cain for an "interview"?.... ;)
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I just hope that if you can't stomach voting for the Republican nominee a year from now that you will at least go vote for the congressional elections and not just stay home. You can leave the Presidential line blank and still vote for the rest.
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I just hope that if you can't stomach voting for the Republican nominee a year from now that you will at least go vote for the congressional elections and not just stay home. You can leave the Presidential line blank and still vote for the rest.
QFT +1
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary
I saw this link on Drudge. According to the Rasmussen poll, Cain still has a lead over Romney.
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary
I saw this link on Drudge. According to the Rasmussen poll, Cain still has a lead over Romney.
I believe his lead will soon evaporate. Cain and his camp are doing all the wrong things in response to this. He's played the race card, blamed another campaign (Perry's), and is now threatening to sue Politico over the issue. All of these actions will serve to diminish people's opinion of him over time.
The better response would have been to stick to the high road. Acknowledge the accusations, counter with the best factual information that they can lay their hands on in a timely fashion, refuse to be derailed by the accusations, and move on with the campaign. The overly reactive mode they are in now will only serve to cost Cain the nomination.
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I would have thought there would be an immediate effect. However, I am curious just what effect this sort of media assassination will have on the current Repub primary voting crowd.
If Cain can survive, he at least now has a full understanding of what it means to have the media attack dogs trained on him.
IMO, this sort of thing is what should have happened to Obama 4 years ago when he failed to release a lot of his personal records and such.
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I just hope that if you can't stomach voting for the Republican nominee a year from now that you will at least go vote for the congressional elections and not just stay home. You can leave the Presidential line blank and still vote for the rest.
I will never stay home, nor will I leave any line blank. I'll write in a candidate, if I have to.
I'm not voting for another RINO, though.
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I would have thought there would be an immediate effect. However, I am curious just what effect this sort of media assassination will have on the current Repub primary voting crowd.
If Cain can survive, he at least now has a full understanding of what it means to have the media attack dogs trained on him.
IMO, this sort of thing is what should have happened to Obama 4 years ago when he failed to release a lot of his personal records and such.
Oddly, there seems to be no backlash from potential voters, yet.
Some theorize that they are afraid since he is black - I think not, as the polls are anonymous.
Maybe some are blinded by thinking that a black Reb candidate is the best choice to unseat BHO.
Cain even played the race card, which really surprised me - I guess that it is still that powerful to the ignorant.
His responses as a whole would be a textbook lesson in how to not manage a media crisis.
This whole thing is extremely interesting, though.
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The better response would have been to stick to the high road. Acknowledge the accusations, counter with the best factual information that they can lay their hands on in a timely fashion, refuse to be derailed by the accusations, and move on with the campaign. The overly reactive mode they are in now will only serve to cost Cain the nomination.
I disagree - if there is more out there and what has been alleged is substantially accurate, it will not go away by smart media management (especially with a substantially hostile media); the only way to deal with a problem like that is to just buy the persons silence for long enough (or have the witness done in, of course).
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When you fall--or are pushed--into a pool of piranhas there's bound to be some flailing about as you paddle for your survival.
There is no graceful way to deal with the pack of obstreperous children we now call the mass (liberal) media. At some point they will be recognized, openly, by conservatives as the enemy and dealt with accordingly.
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Cain even played the race card, which really surprised me - I guess that it is still that powerful to the ignorant.
Come on, how often do conservatives get to play that on liberals in public?
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Come on, how often do conservatives get to play that on liberals in public?
Snort! No kidding!
I am fascinated that Cain seems to have not dropped at all in the polls.
In spite of his poor crisis management, he is just steaming along, unscathed.
In spite of his lack of foreign policy knowledge, he is doing OK.
This is getting quite interesting!
I wonder if his business background, plus not being a DC insider is driving this?
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He is a symbol saying "Hell No!" Someone was bound to embody the spirit of the Tea Party, and it's Cain.
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Snort! No kidding!
I am fascinated that Cain seems to have not dropped at all in the polls.
In spite of his poor crisis management, he is just steaming along, unscathed.
In spite of his lack of foreign policy knowledge, he is doing OK.
This is getting quite interesting!
I wonder if his business background, plus not being a DC insider is driving this?
1 - People hate Obama THIS MUCH.
2 - People want Obama gone THIS MUCH.
3 - The GOP primary polls "should" in theory only target likely GOP primary voters.
4 - A lot of GOP primary voters are frustrated with the fact that 47% of the population pays no federal income tax, and lots of them get financial assistance from the Income Tax system.
5- 9/9/9 appears to fix that injustice.
If any other GOP primary candidate would hop up with a tangible plan that eliminates the injustice of nearly half the country paying no income tax, then Cain would fall.
"Cain" isn't winning. 9/9/9 is winning. The leveling of the tax field (somehow... 9/9/9 being the most well known plan out there but people would jump on ANYTHING) is winning.
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There was an article from the liberal Huffington Post yesterday about what Donald Trump said with regard to the Cain matter. He basically said it was a national witch hunt and that he would sue the heck out of Politico and the sources. Cain knows the sources. He if goes down, he WILL absolutely ruin the lives of these women. He should take a lesson from Hillary Clinton and the Clinton machine on this matter. Linkee below.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/donald-trump-herman-cain-_n_1073832.html
I don't think Cain has done all the wrong things in regard to this matter. He has been flailling around a bit. Who wouldn't be with all the news people beating him to death on this matter when there are confidentiality agreements with regard to the severnce packages. Fox News mentioned that media stories on the Cain matter is considerably more than the Bill Clinton matter and that was in fact true. I don't reall exactly, but they said there were 35 stories in the national liberal media on Cain but only a couple on Bill Clinton during the first week after the allegations were made. Herman Cain has been tried and found GUILTY without the support of FACTS by the national liberal media.
Herman Cain is the candidate that essentially has said "hell no" to the current political approach to solving problems and a lot of people believe him. The government is not going to save this economy, butthey can be instrumental in getting out of the way of businesses as the economy slowly climbs out of this recession. BHO has said it would have been a depression if it had not been for his stimulus packages. I don't know, but the stimulus packages have certainly spread out the pain in my opinion.
The USA plays a very important part in the world financial system. We have to lead. The BHO approach has not worked adequately and another one is needed. Modifying the entire tax code is a very good start. Many don't like that the lower income people may actually have to pay some taxes in the 9-9-9 plan. The Democrats have bought and paid for these votes with their tax pachages. The "poor" already do if they work via social security and medicare taxes which are generally not part of any tax reduction packages. The 9-9-9 plan would end all of that and put the people on a more equal tax footing forthe future.
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As far as flailing, Cain is somewhat new to the crucible of the national media. Anyone will have their moments. Palin stumbled some as well a few years back.
I have heard some of the radio discussion make the point that a large number of Republican primary voters are very distrustful of the media which is why the polls are showing little effect. Also, it is a very well known fact that ANYONE can make sexual harassment allegations and even the false and weak allegations are hard to disprove. Without some evidence that Cain did something more than just make a comment, I have a feeling a lot of people will give him a pass.
As far as foreign policy, Obama had zero foreign policy experience as well. As I have said before, very very few Presidents have any prior foreign policy experience at all. If they guy is smart and has good ideas on other issues, he will likely do the same on foreign policy. At this time when domestic issues are paramount, I think foreign policy is way down on the list for most.
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Our foreign policy has been questionable on so many fronts for so many years. And this with all the combined genius of innumerable Ivy Leaguers born to the purple. Could it be worse? Obama, with his supernatural insight into all things, has managed to bring a consistency into the disparate policies--but that policy is to promote jihad and establish a new Caliphate. Thank you, O Genius.
Cain is about more than the specifics of 9-9-9. It could be 5-5-5 or any number of variants. His policy is asking for two things: greater tax equity and incentives for risk-taking and, most of all, economic growth. If he were elected he would no doubt tweak the catchphrase into something more pragmatic and more sharply targeted.
Cain and what he represents is not going away. I only wish he were ten years younger and didn't have the medical history he has.
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Cain and what he represents is not going away. I only wish he were ten years younger and didn't have the medical history he has.
Me too. I listened to him on the radio off and on for a number of years. Black folks (in general) need a voice like Herman Cain's. He is all about work, taking risks, and trying to improve yourself. He does not feel sorry for the plight of many of these people. He pretty much says get a job, be on time, don't take off work when you feel like it or after you get paid. This is a common problem and is something that is built into the psychic of many people which limits their ability to succeed.
Cain's tax plan is significant even if he does not go any further in the campaign or popularity polls. He has singularly caused other potential nominee's to bring their flat tax proposals into the discussion. Why flat tax versus 9-9-9? Because there is no national sales tax. The Fair Tax is also supported by Cain and what he wants the tax system to evolve into, but that will cause state to state referendums for passage and a lot of time to implement. The sales tax may infact put taxes into a clearer prospective for many people. Get the plan in and tweek it alittle here and there as long as there is no VAT built into the system. We are already taxed to death with hidden taxes and little taxes on our day to day things like telephone and so forth.
I have little problem with Cain's lack of foreign policy experience. You choose the man and what makes up the man (or woman) and that forms the basis of all their decisions. It is about principles developed over a lifetime, not the flavor of the week. Look at Obama. If people thought this way, he would never have been the Democratic nominee 4 years ago. As Perry said about Mitt Romney... how many people really shift their positions on issues after they get into their 50's and 60's. Romney shifts his positions to match the Republican position, but that is not part of the man. He's plastic.
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Black ALL folks (in general) need a voice like Herman Cain's.
FIFY....
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Yes, ALL, but especially the people that feel the country has left them behind never to catch up.
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Our foreign policy has been questionable on so many fronts for so many years. And this with all the combined genius of innumerable Ivy Leaguers born to the purple. Could it be worse? Obama, with his supernatural insight into all things, has managed to bring a consistency into the disparate policies--but that policy is to promote jihad and establish a new Caliphate. Thank you, O Genius.
I think that is what many forget. No politician has foreign policy "experience" until they get some experience. IMO, it is all about who the candidate is and what kind of person they are. If they are a good smart candidate, they will find the people with the smarts and experience to advise them. Beyond that, if the candidate is smart, they will do just fine.
IMO, expecting a candidate who can go in and be a foreign policy ace on day 1 is wishful thinking.
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IMO, expecting a candidate who can go in and be a foreign policy ace on day 1 is wishful thinking.
Agreed. I actually would like to see a new foreign policy that says No More Money, No more BS.
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Our foreign policy has been questionable on so many fronts for so many years. And this with all the combined genius of innumerable Ivy Leaguers born to the purple. Could it be worse? Obama, with his supernatural insight into all things, has managed to bring a consistency into the disparate policies--but that policy is to promote jihad and establish a new Caliphate. Thank you, O Genius.
Yeah, we generally promote Jihad by killing terrorists who've killed Americans.
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Oddly, there seems to be no backlash from potential voters, yet.
Some theorize that they are afraid since he is black - I think not, as the polls are anonymous.
Maybe some are blinded by thinking that a black Reb candidate is the best choice to unseat BHO.
Cain even played the race card, which really surprised me - I guess that it is still that powerful to the ignorant.
Actually, Cain may well be the backlash, a backlash by sane Americans who profess TEA ideals. They have seen how the media think they are to select the republican candidate. They also see how elitist republican establishment has already decided who the candidate is and will proceed to force feed that person to the rest of the party.
Cain is still an unknown to me. I will not sign on until I learn a more about who he gathers around himself as advisors and operatives. The fact that Cain knows nothing of foreign policy is nothing new. American history is festooned with people of marginal skills who somehow blunder through. No one individual can know everything. What is crucial is who does he hire to advise and implement foreign policy. The true test of a manager is how successful he is in attracting and keeping top notch people. I read Cain as a cut above anything I've seen in my years of political observations. Time and actions will tell reality.
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Yeah, we generally promote Jihad by killing terrorists who've killed Americans
Funny how these governments seem to slide toward hard-core Islam and Shari'a after we exhibit our magic touch, isn't it? Who we decide to kill is selective--perhaps emanating from the fevered brains of Susan Rice and Samantha Power?
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Funny how these governments seem to slide toward hard-core Islam and Shari'a after we exhibit our magic touch, isn't it? Who we decide to kill is selective--perhaps emanating from the fevered brains of Susan Rice and Samantha Power?
"Seem" being the operative term. It will take years for the fate of these places to become clear. In the meanwhile, Al-Zawahiri, Usama Bin-Ladin, and Muammar Gaddhafi - all murderers who have killed Americans - are dead.
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Funny how these governments seem to slide toward hard-core Islam and Shari'a after we exhibit our magic touch, isn't it? Who we decide to kill is selective--perhaps emanating from the fevered brains of Susan Rice and Samantha Power?
We are promoting democracy and the locals are getting what they want.
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Found it interesting that after last nights "debate" between Gingrich and Cain that some people are combining them as a team. I thought this a while back. Chris Wallace with Fox News said that VP candidates are usually chosen in hopes of cementing support in a different area whether it be people or a region. That has never really worked. Maybe Palin attracted more female votes?? With Cain and Gingrich being from GA, it would not make much sense. But from a getting things done point of view and having a VP that would make a good President, the Cain-Gingrich team makes a lot of sense. Gingrich would be the polticial attack dog as most vice presidents are. Biden is Obama's attack dog, but he is not very effective and people blow him off. Gingrich knows the political system and is very well versed in US politics.
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We are promoting democracy and the locals are getting what they want.
No no no. It's a grand conspiracy to promote Islam, because Barry is a sooper sekrit Islamic manchurian candidate.
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There's nothing secret about Obama's preferences. He doesn't have to be "Manchurian;" he's in plain sight. He sees no Islamic threat; he's not only told us that, he's scrubbed all government of any hint that Islam might be part of the problem. Taking down dictators in order to become one yourself isn't my idea of a grand plan that is good for America.
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Found it interesting that after last nights "debate" between Gingrich and Cain that some people are combining them as a team. I thought this a while back. Chris Wallace with Fox News said that VP candidates are usually chosen in hopes of cementing support in a different area whether it be people or a region. That has never really worked. Maybe Palin attracted more female votes?? With Cain and Gingrich being from GA, it would not make much sense. But from a getting things done point of view and having a VP that would make a good President, the Cain-Gingrich team makes a lot of sense. Gingrich would be the polticial attack dog as most vice presidents are. Biden is Obama's attack dog, but he is not very effective and people blow him off. Gingrich knows the political system and is very well versed in US politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RUiCSIUa2M&feature=player_detailpage#t=175s
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It's not over until Gloria Allred sings.
And here she is...
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Yea, I saw Gloria's press conference.
The 4th accuser had plenty of claims:
Said Cain upgraded her hotel room.
Said Cain made sexual advances.
Has statements from 2 friends whom she told about Cain's advances.
Cripe, I can easily find 2 friends who can swear that I gave them statements - still does not make them true.
It all adds up to her word against his - the classic he said/she said.
She claims that she passed on selling her story for money - and says she is doing what is right.
That remains to be seen. I grade her case at this point with a D-.
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I think we've reached the point where those who like Cain really don't care any more about these allegations; they may not even care if they are true or not. The Left's phony idealism has produced exactly the opposite of what they professed to want: a cynical America.
But if Cain is done in by the libs, they are probably doing in the electoral process itself. When people get truly disillusioned, all bets are off.
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Cain
I sure hope so. I'm done with these unexperienced saying they know how to run a country. Give me a grouchy old guy to look after the country. Yeah, I know there aren't any since Barry Goldwater.
Maybe Ron Paul but he seems too jovial, that's just me.
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I think we've reached the point where those who like Cain really don't care any more about these allegations; they may not even care if they are true or not. The Left's phony idealism has produced exactly the opposite of what they professed to want: a cynical America.
But if Cain is done in by the libs, they are probably doing in the electoral process itself. When people get truly disillusioned, all bets are off.
A caller on Rush earlier said she felt like she had been trained by the media to not trust anything the media says. I feel that way a lot. I think some of it in my case comes from all the self defense threads where the original article is so inaccurate that all the initial views of the incident are completely untrue.
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Gloria Allred's arrival on the scene is as predictable as a fly showing up on a cow patty.
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I find it hard to believe that Herman Cain would run for the Republican nomination for President if these accusations are substantially true. The last one with Alred is simply this woman's word against Herman Cain's. It is a conspiracy to get rid of Cain. He has become a threat.
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Gloria Allred's arrival on the scene is as predictable as a fly showing up on a cow patty.
...and adds as much credibility to the case as a videotaped Clinton deposition.... ;/
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Gloria Allred's arrival on the scene is as predictable as a fly showing up on a cow patty. but didn't smell nearly so fragrant as Ms Allred..
FTFY. =D
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It is unbelievable that Cain would run if he knew he'd done what's alleged; he had to know it would come out.
But it is also unbelievable that a woman would publicly denigrate a Presidential candidate with such false allegations.
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It is unbelievable that Cain would run if he knew he'd done what's alleged; he had to know it would come out.
But it is also unbelievable that a woman would publicly denigrate a Presidential candidate with such false allegations.
Well... Bill Clinton probably actually DID DO most of what was alleged against him, and he still ran. Same for Ted Kennedy. No matter what side of the political aisle, at the national, or even just high in state-level politics, there's almost always a certain factor of a desire for power, and an ego to be fed.
The exceptions (like Ron Paul), and their lack of success at getting the ultimate brass ring, seem to prove the rule, at least to me.
I will retain a healthy skepticism as long as all the claims are originating from Cain's days at the National Restaurant Association. That could very easily be "dirty pool" at the corporate level, a power play within the NRA, or a group who was ousted when he assumed power there.. whatever.
http://law.jrank.org/pages/3741/Mackenzie-v-Miller-Brewing-Co-1997-1999-2000.html
AKA "The Seinfeld Lawsuit" over the joke that presumably started the whole thing, or was a very thin pretext to oust someone with (manufactured) cause.
I've seen it first hand when I worked at Miller Brewing for almost ten years, and I had regular contact with some of the principal people involved, and knew their personalities, and how the "reality" clashed with the testimony in the various trials over the whole thing. Those in SE WI or the Milwaukee metro probably remember the case.
If it really is a "pattern of behavior" with Cain, then I'd expect to see a whole slew of other sexual harassment claims from the other corporations he's worked at, or led.
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At this point, I'm not even sure a bunch more claims would convince me. They would need to not be associated with known political smear artists.
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Yes, one is actually tied to the Obama admin now...
Another has a long history of not staying at any job more than 1-2 years, and has some other claims shot down as false in her past as well.
Even if the claims were all real, the Democrats and the MSM only have themselves to blame, Clinton and Teddy pretty much made made the "Sexual harassment scandal card" worthless.
And what the Left tried to do to Clarence Thomas seeded the idea that it was the prime way to attack a Black Conservative in the American collective consciousness.
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Yes, one is actually tied to the Obama admin now...
Another has a long history of not staying at any job more than 1-2 years, and has some other claims shot down as false in her past as well.
Even if the claims were all real, the Democrats and the MSM only have themselves to blame, Clinton and Teddy pretty much made made the "Sexual harassment scandal card" worthless.
And what the Left tried to do to Clarence Thomas seeded the idea that it was the prime way to attack a Black Conservative in the American collective consciousness.
I do recall a guy someone hired at our company who had a long resume filled with 1 to 2 year jobs. He was slick and dishonest and finally got fired for buying personal stuff on his purchasing card. I recall other compressor mechanics cussing him for a couple years after because they kept finding bolts with the heads twisted off that were epoxied in place on machines he overhauled.
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Heard Cain's press conference over the radio tonight.
He sounded pretty convincing and I was really pulling for him up until he started answering questions from the press.
It all went downhill from there.
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So she's a white gal, huh? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. Anybody remember the Republican TV ad against a black, Democrat candidate, where a white chick flirts with him, and how that was considered race-baiting? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/200601024_harold_ford_ad/
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Ah, but someone finally brought up lie detectors. The third rail of politics. Let's start with Obama. =D
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Ah, but someone finally brought up lie detectors. The third rail of politics. Let's start with Obama.
He'll just claim executive priviledge.
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Looks like they are all starting to emerge from the shadows now.....
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Looks like they are all starting to emerge from the shadows now.....
Cockroaches do that sometimes....
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Another cockroach steps from the shadows.....
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-accuser-filed-complaint-next-job-080946066.html
To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.
Kraushaar told the AP she considered her employment complaint "relatively minor" and she later dropped it.
Looks like Pavlov and the Salivating Dog at work........if at first you don't succeed......
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The culture of grievance, with its all too willing legal helpers, is alive and well. Advancement by litigation or threat of litigation is not uncommon, especially in the public sector. What starts in America as righting wrongs most often ends as a wrong itself. And a lot of women have learned how to play the game.
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Pretty soon you won't be able to find a Whitewomanâ„¢ (it's one word) from the Chicago area that *hasn't* been sexually abused, oppressed, assaulted, or discriminated against by Cain -- about 20 or so years ago -- with tearful (coached and rehearsed) stories of outrage and woe.
Not to imply that some of them *might* not have a little truth to them. Or not. It's really not knowable at this point.
The most interesting development is that Cain has volunteered to take a polygraph test. Whoa. The other candidates must really be worried; imagine what a precedent that would set!
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Cain has now been upgraded to a "monster," courtesy of Karen Kraushaar. Release the Kraken!
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And the press is running after this bullshit and almost completely ignoring Fast and Furious. You know, the one where people are dead and dying, because this administration gave guns to very bad people.
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Good point. Fast & Furious, Solyndra, LightSquared...on and on. They know what they are doing. When in doubt go back to the sexsational, when needed tabloidize the election. A hand on the thigh draws more eyeballs than impeachable assaults on the Constitution.
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Watching the MSNBC debate. It was pretty good overall. I was surprised that I didn't find a lot of fault with the questions.
Herman Cain did pretty good. He does not have an answer for China. But who really does? Huntsman paints the problem fairly accurately in simple terms. Herman is such a good speaker and you want to like him. Romney did well also. He is the establishment candidate; hence he will probably get the nomination.
It all falls back to JOBS JOBS JOBS.
No question Longeyes that you are right about the tabloidization of the election.
I have opinions on the "whitewoman" comment in general. But I will refrain.
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Romney, Newt, Cain, and Paul are keepers; the rest need to vamoose. Perry had one last shot to recoup, and he blew it bigtime; this league is too fast for him. Overall it was a lively, energetic show. Cain is still popular, it's clear, but his 9-9-9 is getting to be shtick rather than a program.
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http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/fifth-woman-raises-questions-about-cains-behavior
Cain exhibited no inappropriate sexual behavior during the dinner, though he did order two $400 bottles of wine and stuck the women with the bill, she said.
We've stretched the definition of what "allegations" are past the breaking point.
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http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/fifth-woman-raises-questions-about-cains-behavior
We've stretched the definition of what "allegations" are past the breaking point.
:laugh:
I'm sure we'll hear ere long that going Dutch is tantamount to rape.
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http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/fifth-woman-raises-questions-about-cains-behavior
Cain exhibited no inappropriate sexual behavior during the dinner, though he did order two $400 bottles of wine and stuck the women with the bill, she said.
So....he'd be a good Democrat, right?..... =|
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Leave Cain alone - God told him to run! How can he lose!?
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/politics&id=8429728
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Cain has now been upgraded to a "monster," courtesy of Karen Kraushaar. Release the Kraken!
You rang?
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Newt is about to be gutted. He has one and only one choice: to wage total war on the MSM, naming institutions and individuals, detailing the full history of bias and abuse to destroy and discredit the enemy. Does he want to win? This is the cultural moment.
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That is the prediction I have heard. As soon as each Repub Candidate takes the lead, the MSM goes all out to dump on them and knock them down. Newt has a lot of baggage to bring up also.
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That is the prediction I have heard. As soon as each Repub Candidate takes the lead, the MSM goes all out to dump on them and knock them down. Newt has a lot of baggage to bring up also.
I don't think there are many Republicans not already aware of Newt's baggage.
I'm curious to see what the results of the upcoming media scrutiny will be.
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I don't think there are many Republicans not already aware of Newt's baggage.
I'm curious to see what the results of the upcoming media scrutiny will be.
A lot of that baggage has been forgotten.
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A lot of that baggage has been forgotten.
And a lot of that baggage was a fiction in the first place, dreamed up by Clinton & Company.
Newt is no worse, personal baggage-wise, than any divorced former member of Congress.
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Newt is no worse, personal baggage-wise, than any divorced former member of Congress.
....and most of the married ones....
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....and most of the married ones....
I think this joker was married during some of his debauchery:
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/200704/kennedy-ted-senator-profile
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And a lot of that baggage was a fiction in the first place, dreamed up by Clinton & Company.
Newt is no worse, personal baggage-wise, than any divorced former member of Congress.
Of course, then there's Newt's political baggage.
Elsewhere: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/ron-paul-is-for-real-in-iowa-seriously/2011/11/17/gIQAoSM7UN_blog.html
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I was never much of a Cain booster, but I did send a donation, and will apply the bumper sticker to my vehicle, simply because he riles all the right knuckleheads.
But, since the shaky, muddled answer on Libya, I am no longer very eager to see him elected. =(
Still better than the current joker, of course.
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Of course, then there's Newt's political baggage.
No lie. I won;t ever forget Congressman Futurist Fanboy and Pelosi swapping spit for the wormer ad.
Elsewhere: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/ron-paul-is-for-real-in-iowa-seriously/2011/11/17/gIQAoSM7UN_blog.html
If Paul would be willing to settle for "Libertarianism in One Country" and be willing to shut down the illegal alien trade, I could live with his foreign policy pollyanna-ish tendencies.
Sadly, like many libertarians, he does not understand that open borders would destroy any libertarian regime, as looters & eaters who do not share their values swamp them.
I was never much of a Cain booster, but I did send a donation, and will apply the bumper sticker to my vehicle, simply because he riles all the right knuckleheads.
But, since the shaky, muddled answer on Libya, I am no longer very eager to see him elected. =(
Still better than the current joker, of course.
The phrase "damning with faint praise" comes to mind.
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Faint indeed.
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Apparently Obama's family values and high morality stop at the outer limits of the family quarters in the White House. Macro, not micro, is what matters here.
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Hear that, Micro? You don't matter... :P
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Hear that, Micro? You don't matter... :P
Of course he doesn't matter....when's the last time he voted in a POTUS election?..... ;/
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Seems to me that Newt has garnered most of the Herman Cain supporters now. Newt has baggage as most of us do in one form or another.
I still support Mr. Cain. He needs to pay attention to what he says a bit more. I think he sees the world as a pretty complex place and as a result does not have good answers or all the answers to questions relating to foreign affairs. I don't think President Obama understands the US or the world that IS as opposed to the US and world he WANTS them to be. Dreaming is okay, but lets keep grounded in reality.
Newt was my second choice. Ultimately, the choice has to be an effective candidate against President Obama and present a clear difference. That's why when the smoke clears, Romney will probably be the Republican nominee.
It appears that the Super Committee has failed. Does it surprise me? No! The 1.2 trillion reduction over 10 years is NOTHING. It doesn't even stop the red ink or cut the growth in expenditures built into the system. There needs to be hell to pay.
I'm starting to believe that the whole system has to fail before it can be fixed. I don't relish that thought.
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I have opinions on the "whitewoman" comment in general. But I will refrain.
I gotta give David Axelrod props; finding a Cain accuser actually named "White" was pure genius.
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I gotta give David Axelrod props; finding a Cain accuser actually named "White" was pure genius.
Cain's credit card receipts will fix that real fast.
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I gotta give David Axelrod props; finding a Cain accuser actually named "White" was pure genius.
Does this mean that they're now accusing him of having his way with the White woman?.....somebody better call Atticus Finch..... =|
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I don't know what to think anymore about the Cain accusations. That's the problem. Nobody does. Cain is damaged and damaged probably beyond repair which is such a shame.
As far a Newt goes, you can pretty much find a quote or the pundits will with him saying most anything. He has been in politics a long time. He is a conservative. But Newt is a man who tries to get things done as opposed to standing on pure idealogy.
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Does this mean that they're now accusing him of having his way with the White woman?.....somebody better call Atticus Finch..... =|
Haven't all of the women been white? Were he a Dem. candidate, the media would ignore the allegations, and go after the accusers and the Republican Party as race-baiters. That would be the only angle on the story. I feel safe in saying this, because we saw something similar with Harold Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Ford,_Jr.#2006_Tennessee_Senate_campaign).
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By spring, at the current rate, we should have no viable GOP candidate left. We know Newt is vulnerable and we know that Romney wears funny underwear. So who rides out of the West on a white horse with a shimmering sword?
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By spring, at the current rate, we should have no viable GOP candidate left. We know Newt is vulnerable and we know that Romney wears funny underwear. So who rides out of the West on a white horse with a shimmering sword?
Ron Paul??
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By spring, at the current rate, we should have no viable GOP candidate left. We know Newt is vulnerable and we know that Romney wears funny underwear. So who rides out of the West on a white horse with a shimmering sword?
And frankly, whomever it is, NEEDS to come from the West (and not CA).
I've about had it with Amerika East of the Miss, especially the bits between Wall Street and Mordor on the Potomac, treating the rest of us like gorram colonies to exploit.
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Or maybe it will be West, as in Allen West...? =)
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Or maybe it will West, as in Allen West...? =)
Or Adam West.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fa%2Fa3%2FAdam_West_on_Family_Guy.png&hash=2b331f1aae6e2cab40718ea9419aa3d2e35d6a90)
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More likely, I'm afraid. =D
And, come to think of it, a lot of our Republicans are very like Adam West...
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And, come to think of it, a lot of our Republicans are very like Adam West...
No, they look a lot like The Penguin, or Joker. No one looks like Cat Woman.
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Hold on, Michelle Bachmann has definite Catwoman potential. =D
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More likely, I'm afraid. =D
And, come to think of it, a lot of our Republicans are very like Adam West...
I guy I know said he thought Romney reminded him of Steve McGarrett (the Jack Lord iteration not the new Alex O'Loughlin version). Maybe it was the hair .... [tinfoil]
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Cain is done now - two down.