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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: birdman on August 31, 2012, 07:50:11 AM
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I've noticed something recently...all of the up-and-coming national pols that are "young" (e.g. Generation after the boomers, let's say born 1964 or later) are mainly tea party and/or GOP. While the national pols that are dems are all old (BO excepted). Are we seeing a generational revolution in some way? Once this crop of old dems passes...who will take their mantle of progressivism?
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Don't worry, there is never a shortage of stupid people.
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Don't worry, there is never a shortage of stupid people.
True, but where are they, other than OWS? My point is, it seems like we have a really good crop of 30-50yr old fiscal conservatives driving through the ranks, and no comparable group of similarly aged progressives.
This should make this election the first step in what looks to be a good trend (especially at the local and state level, so please people, VOTE!). In 10 years or so, things will look even better than today, as the passion to change things through -TRUE- public service is currently being dominated in the younger crowd by conservatives.
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I heard this argument being made in the mid- to late nineties. Lots of good conservative younger folks making their way up through the fabric of America. The Left would start to decline because their old guard was beginning to fade away and no one was coming up through the ranks to replace them.
It didn't come to pass then, either.
Too many people base their political behavior on what is trendy or fashionable, not on real core beliefs.
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I heard this argument being made in the mid- to late nineties. Lots of good conservative younger folks making their way up through the fabric of America. The Left would start to decline because their old guard was beginning to fade away and no one was coming up through the ranks to replace them.
It didn't come to pass then, either.
9-11 changed that. Neocon-ism squashed a lot of that, in 2001. Gotta protect the petrodollar kill the dark skinned turr'ists.
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AZ, 9-11 is old news to most of the younger crowd. If it didn't happen in the last year or so, then it's ancient history.
Most folks have a very short attention span, especially the younger ones.
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AZ, 9-11 is old news to most of the younger crowd. If it didn't happen in the last year or so, then it's ancient history.
Most folks have a very short attention span, especially the younger ones.
It changed the climate of education on human/State interaction.
The TSA, increased social event security (theater), and similar actions are not only for security (theater). They're a tool to get an entire new generation of future voters accustomed to State security, and justifiable State authoritarianism.
You're right, it is old news. But it's now part of the subliminal culture and fabric of our lives. And the next generation of voters has lived their entire "conscious" formative years (about age 5 to 18) with these controls in place. They don't know any better.
The 30-somethings are angry about Statism, hence the rise in strength of the Tea Party and Libertarian groups.
But the next group of 18-25 voters pretty much don't know any better.
Watch this group very closely, and the 12-18 year old group behind them. Watch for school-sponsored indoctrination of key news events, either from Junior High to college.
Progressives will make another generation to replace themselves.
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Haven't you noticed that the Left is making a concerted effort to court illegal aliens?
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Haven't you noticed that the Left is making a concerted effort to court illegal aliens?
...and challenge voter ID laws in every state that has them?
Hmmmm.
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Hmmm...I think we are mostly in agreement, AZ. We're just approaching the idea from different directions.
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THe other thing to remember is that younger voters have very short memories. The Reagan administration in the 80's is ancient history to them. You might as well talk about the Eisenhower administration. They need good examples of what not to do which Obama is showing them.
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You guys keep using "short memory" in a pejorative sense. I can't remember things I wasn't alive to see. A 30year old is now born in 1982. In the most optimistic case, the first political memories will be the Bush-Clinton years. The first political awakening for this group will be 9/11.
That said, I think X-ers (born 60s & 70s) are a bit more independent minded. They make good leaders of small companies and make good entrepreneurs.
The theory is that thier childhood (70s & 80s) was formed in a period of more laid back parenting.
Millennials (born 80s and 90s) will be more group oriented. The theory is that they were raised in a period of very intense parenting style as the parenting fads swung the other direction. They do better in a corporate and group work environment. My generation will more strongly feel the pull for relying on gov't help. It concerns me.
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Because we know the government is hostile towards us, we're going to be left paying the debt the previous generation passed to us and old people will expect us to pay their Social Security while we likely will see pennies on the dollar.
Don't think the youth are particularly fond of the GOP either. Except for ultra religious kids, few folks my age are down with the usual social conservative issues. Some, sure. Not all. Plenty of vaguely socialist kids, especially due to the economic crunch. Largely focused by people with massive school debt and only low paying jobs.