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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 16, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
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Just a few random observations on this whole story:
1) Their idea of "doing something" is firing the guy in charge of the IRS who not only already resigned, but didn't even start the job until well after the audit targeting was in full swing. Shouldn't Obama then fire himself for all the stuff he claims Bush did before he (Obama) took office?
2) The comparisons (and supporting data) to Nixon shenanigans by a fairly wide spectrum of ideologies puts a grin on my face.
3) Sadly, this is yet another issue taking away from the Benghazi atrocity. It's a serious issue, but nobody died.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/16/obama-to-meet-with-treasury-officials-over-irs-scandal/
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Boehner asked a good question: Who's going to jail?
If there are no criminal prosecutions for the admitted targeting of groups for political reasons, then the Democrats will be shown to be completely corrupt and the GOP will be proven ineffectual . . . at best. =(
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I got a laugh about this listening to Rush the other day. While all of these conservative groups were having their tax-exempt status approvals held up, a pro-Obama group run by Obama's half-brother had his approved. Not just approved, but the IRS actually made his approval retroactive two years prior so that he wouldn't face criminal penalties for collecting donations for two years under the false pretense of those donations being tax exempt when in fact he hadn't filed for tax exempt status.
No favoritism with this administration.
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I got a laugh about this listening to Rush the other day. While all of these conservative groups were having their tax-exempt status approvals held up, a pro-Obama group run by Obama's half-brother had his approved. Not just approved, but the IRS actually made his approval retroactive two years prior so that he wouldn't face criminal penalties for collecting donations for two years under the false pretense of those donations being tax exempt when in fact he hadn't filed for tax exempt status.
No favoritism with this administration.
:facepalm: We sooooooooooooooooooooooo need a tongue-in-cheek smilie!!!! ;)
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Boehner asked a good question: Who's going to jail?
If there are no criminal prosecutions for the admitted targeting of groups for political reasons, then the Democrats will be shown to be completely corrupt and the GOP will be proven ineffectual . . . at best. =(
I think every individual that so much as had a document of this incident cross his desk without at least speaking up, should be summarily fired and forever barred from working in any government position of public trust. They have proven they cannot be trusted and the citizens' trust and confidence in the government and the IRS (which already has an image problem) is of extreme importance given the continuous stream of scandals of this administration and the slowest economic recovery in the history of the USA. JMHO, however.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I am a registered "TEA Party" member with the state.
Poper
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"We can't comment on an active investigation", even though the agency to blame has already publicly acknowledged, and APOLOGIZED FOR, the offenses.
Theatre of the Absurd at it's most laughable.
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"We can't comment on an active investigation", even though the agency to blame has already publicly acknowledged, and APOLOGIZED FOR, the offenses.
Theatre of the Absurd at it's most laughable.
Very true, SADShooter. However, the vast majority of the people in this country either do not care or are not paying attention. Just watch. I'm betting it will all blow over and be nothing more than a dim memory. Just like Fast and Furious did. :mad:
Poper
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Very true, SADShooter. However, the vast majority of the people in this country either do not care or are not paying attention. Just watch. I'm betting it will all blow over and be nothing more than a dim memory. Just like Fast and Furious did. :mad:
Poper
this is hurting him
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/16/white-house-scandals-turn-enthusiastic-supporters-/#.UZatq3yRlik.facebook
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the Democrats will be shown to be are completely corrupt and the GOP will be proven is ineffectual and corrupt
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Corrected for accuracy
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this is hurting him
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/16/white-house-scandals-turn-enthusiastic-supporters-/#.UZatq3yRlik.facebook
Given the opportunity they would still vote for him. :facepalm:
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Given the opportunity they would still vote for him. :facepalm:
sadly i think many would :facepalm:
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Now that just about nails it. I guess it must be that laser-like focus on jobs...
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Now that just about nails it. I guess it must be that laser-like focus on jobs...
The President/Administration's own?
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Obama and his various scandals has elevated tinfoil-hattery to the status of high fashion. Yesterday it came out that the question kicking off this whole flap was planted.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/17/lerners-admission-was-pre-planned-public-disclosure/
The lady 'fessing up to slow walking conservative application for tax exempt status had a buddy ask the question. The effect is that of malefactor blowing the whistle on himself.
Now why would Obama do that? Options include limited hangout, controlled deflation, bright shiny distraction to something else, or the traditional red herring. Punditry has the entire weekend to noodle it out. First attempt I've read is a bright, shiny distraction to the emerging immigration "reform" bill. We'll see.
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:facepalm: We sooooooooooooooooooooooo need a tongue-in-cheek smilie!!!! ;)
That would quite possibly be the first smilie that couldn't pass the language filter.
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Obama and his various scandals has elevated tinfoil-hattery to the status of high fashion.
When a conspiracy is confirmed, it is no longer a "tinfoil hatter conspiracy," but mere reality.
IRS
Bengazi
AP phone records
All fact, not theory.
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Bubbling up: HHS Sec Sebelius
shaking down soliciting "donations" from corporations to support Obamacare.
Yhe real slackers seem to be the Cabinet Secretaries who "don't" have a scandal/investigation underway.
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Obama and his various scandals has elevated tinfoil-hattery to the status of high fashion. Yesterday it came out that the question kicking off this whole flap was planted.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/17/lerners-admission-was-pre-planned-public-disclosure/
The lady 'fessing up to slow walking conservative application for tax exempt status had a buddy ask the question. The effect is that of malefactor blowing the whistle on himself.
Now why would Obama do that? Options include limited hangout, controlled deflation, bright shiny distraction to something else, or the traditional red herring. Punditry has the entire weekend to noodle it out. First attempt I've read is a bright, shiny distraction to the emerging immigration "reform" bill. We'll see.
No, the hope was that it would simply be ignored and lost in the background noise. LOOK BENGHAZI !!!
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Bubbling up: HHS Sec Sebelius shaking down soliciting "donations" from corporations to support Obamacare.
Yhe real slackers seem to be the Cabinet Secretaries who "don't" have a scandal/investigation underway.
"Nice little insurance company ya got there. Be a real shame if something were to happen to it... But really, the reason I called is to ask for your support for my <snip>"?
RICO charges are in order. If we don't put a stop to this behavior, we'll be a third world country, requiring cumshaw for all government interactions. Time for heads on the pikes.
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"Nice little insurance company ya got there. Be a real shame if something were to happen to it... But really, the reason I called is to ask for your support for my <snip>"?
RICO charges are in order. If we don't put a stop to this behavior, we'll be a third world country, requiring cumshaw for all government interactions. Time for heads on the pikes.
I'm so surprised. I would never have expected anything like this from a Chicago politician that became president.
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The IRS thing bothers me because in my opinion it reflects partisan activities connected to the White House. They probably can't prove it. But I know it was the case.
Benghazi.... I'm fed up. It was election time and the White House and his Party conspired to control the release of information, public opinion and reduce impact to the election.
Look what we're finding out about the AP business.... it saddens me. It was an all out power grab and win at any cost effort moving toward the November 2012 election.
I think if the truth is known, Obama would be put out of office. I feel that his administration and Party is so corrupt and power hungry that it makes me sick to even think about it. Where's the trust? It was all about the election and win at any cost. He won and look what we're finding out. His supporters think this is all okay... that's the big difference between many Republicans and Democrats. The Republicans have a conscious. This country is going to he-ll.
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You know, as shocking as this all is, we shouldn't be surprised.
Obama's term in office began with blatant tyranny.
The Obama administration subverted bankruptcy laws to reward their Union supporters. THAT should have had everyone screaming for impeachment. I don't care if you like the unions and hate the bondholders, that was a complete undermining of the rule of law.
They decided, from the very beginning, that there is no equal standing before the law. If you're one of our constituencies, it doesn't matter if the law if against you- we'll ignore it.
All we seeing is the other side. If you're opposed to us, it doesn't matter if the law is for you- we ignore it then, too.
Edit: autocorrect doesn't catch "The" instead of "They"...
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You know, as shocking as this all is, we shouldn't be surprised.
Obama's term in office began with blatant tyranny.
The Obama administration subverted bankruptcy laws to reward their Union supporters. THAT should have had everyone screaming for impeachment. I don't care if you like the unions and hate the bondholders, that was a complete undermining of the rule of law.
The decided, from the very beginning, that there is no equal standing before the law. If you're one of our constituencies, it doesn't matter if the law if against you- we'll ignore it.
All we seeing is the other side. If you're opposed to us, it doesn't matter if the law is for you- we ignore it then, too.
My guess is that History will state that the US constitutional republic died a long time before now.
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You know, as shocking as this all is, we shouldn't be surprised.
Obama's term in office began with blatant tyranny.
The Obama administration subverted bankruptcy laws to reward their Union supporters. THAT should have had everyone screaming for impeachment. I don't care if you like the unions and hate the bondholders, that was a complete undermining of the rule of law.
They decided, from the very beginning, that there is no equal standing before the law. If you're one of our constituencies, it doesn't matter if the law if against you- we'll ignore it.
All we seeing is the other side. If you're opposed to us, it doesn't matter if the law is for you- we ignore it then, too.
Edit: autocorrect doesn't catch "The" instead of "They"...
You're ight, of course. The repercussions of the auto bailout didn't resonate with "mainstream America" because "OMG! Blue-collar manufacturing jobs!" is a bit more visceral than "What? Screwing the GM bondholders? A fundamental violation of contract law!". Combine the message with a willing messenger in the complicit/sycophantic media, and here we are.
Now we learn about more investigation of journalists-this time at Fox. In 2010. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-admin-spied-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-134204299.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-admin-spied-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-134204299.html)
Aren't the Emperor's raiments glorious?
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Benghazi.... I'm fed up. It was election time and the White House and his Party conspired to control the release of information, public opinion and reduce impact to the election.
It was more than that. I'm almost certain. I firmly believe that Obama made a conscious decision to NOT send aid to the consulate, as a firefight would have ensued, and he would have to explain why we were having a firefight with protestors. It would have come to light that there were elements of al-Queda that launched a planned attack on the 9/11 anniversary.
I believe that Obama deliberately let those people die in order to not adversely affect his campaign.
It's my understanding that only the CIC can give the order for our planes to enter the airspace of a sovereign nation. Therefore, any stand down orders to the planes in Italy or in the Gulf would have been the result of Obama saying "no". Or would someone lower on the food chain give stand down orders that might countermand what the Commander in Chief wanted, whether or not they knew what the CIC wanted?
It's also my understanding, and this is only what I've read, that the order to stand down given to our special forces in Tripoli would have to come from the very top, meaning Obama.
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It was more than that. I'm almost certain. I firmly believe that Obama made a conscious decision to NOT send aid to the consulate, as a firefight would have ensued, and he would have to explain why we were having a firefight with protestors. It would have come to light that there were elements of al-Queda that launched a planned attack on the 9/11 anniversary.
I believe that Obama deliberately let those people die in order to not adversely affect his campaign.
It's my understanding that only the CIC can give the order for our planes to enter the airspace of a sovereign nation. Therefore, any stand down orders to the planes in Italy or in the Gulf would have been the result of Obama saying "no". Or would someone lower on the food chain give stand down orders that might countermand what the Commander in Chief wanted, whether or not they knew what the CIC wanted?
It's also my understanding, and this is only what I've read, that the order to stand down given to our special forces in Tripoli would have to come from the very top, meaning Obama.
Which brings us back to the paradox: there is no record/evidence thus far provided of his movements or communication that night after the initial briefing. So:
If he gave the order, why?
If he did not give the order, why not?
If he gave an order which was not carried out (the story so far), why not?
We still do not know the correct question, much less the answer.
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Big 0 captured OBL all by himself, but didn't have anything to do with Benghazi ;/
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Big 0 captured OBL all by himself, but didn't have anything to do with Benghazi ;/
I believe the old proverb has it that success hath a thousand fathers, but failure is Bush's fault.
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Which brings us back to the paradox: there is no record/evidence thus far provided of his movements or communication that night after the initial briefing.
The White House talking point on the Sunday morning talk shows was that where Obama was is irrelevant. That's pretty much all they've got to offer.
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The White House talking point on the Sunday morning talk shows was that where Obama was is irrelevant. That's pretty much all they've got to offer.
Yeah. Dan Pfeiffer tried to peddle that on Fox News Sunday, et al. I'm not buying it.
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My guess is that History will state that the US constitutional republic died a long time before now.
My point exactly. Obama's contribution to our constitutional demise is that of tearing down all the constitutional bunting. We no longer have all the trappings of a constitutional republic. Both parties and their enablers inflicted damage that only became evident with Obama.
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Don't worry, in a few more weeks it will all be a distant, forgotten memory. On to the next crisis on your favorite reality show.
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What difference does it matter now?- Hillary Clinton, first woman president.
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Now Max Baucus is criticizing the IRS behaviour :O
WTF ??? First he votes against gun control and now this ... is he changing parties? =|
I'm almost starting to like the SOB.
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Don't worry, in a few more weeks it will all be a distant, forgotten memory. On to the next crisis on your favorite reality show.
The Press has already stepped past Fast and Furious. The more time that passes the more these things are forgotten. We just changed one word to the State Departments statement about Benghazi.... yeah, right.
It started with Fast & Furious. Then Benghazi, then the IRS and "patriot groups", then the AP.... What's next? It took the AP story for any Democrats to start raising questions about what is and has been going on. But, Obama gave the direct order to take out OBL, but not to try and save the Embassy people. Now of course they are trying to protect Hillary Clinton. There is a bad smell associated with this presidency. People thought Nixon was bad... in my opinion taken as a whole it makes Nixon into a great president.
As more information comes out, I expect the "I word" to be more discussed and not just by the far right.
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in my opinion taken as a whole it makes Nixon into a great president.
That's not funny.
May be this will assist in the assessment of the Nixon-Obama comparison:
Will no one stand up for Richard Nixon? Richard Nixon was a combat veteran, a staunch and brave anti-Communist, a man who took on the liberal establishment and at times his own party's as well, a leader who often thought for himself and had the courage of his convictions, a president who assembled a first-rate Cabinet and one who—while flawed both in character and in policy judgment—usually tried to confront the real problems and deal with challenges of his times. Richard Nixon led neither the country nor his own administration from behind.
Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/he-s-no-nixon_728610.html
JMMHO,
Poper
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it gets better lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress
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it gets better lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress
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To questions regarding her job and possible malfeasance? Cause for termination & forfeiture of benefits, with or without criminal prosecution.
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it gets better lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress
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The sheep dip must be deep.
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Cause for termination & forfeiture of benefits, with or without criminal prosecution.
That'll never happen.
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That'll never happen.
Harsh my fantasy mellow in two posts. Thanks.
You're right, of course. =(
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it gets better lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress
Can I do that when I'm audited by the IRS? I mean if she can do that in front of Congress (although she is one of my "betters") then I, as a lowly peon, should be a able to do that with a lowly IRS agent, right? I keep hearing from them that it's a "voluntary" system.
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I don't even care about her that much at this point. Is she likely guilty of something, potentially criminal? I bet she is. But the fact that she's now taking the 5th, and she was the face of the IRS apology, to me means she's being scapegoated (or promised something) and there are MUCH bigger fish to fry. The investigation committee should be spending less time on her and more time on tracking down the big smelly fish.
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And the lying continues.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/21/white-house-treasury-discussed-revealing-irs-probe/
Despite the preliminary strategy sessions between the White House and Treasury, Mr. Carney repeatedly said the White House did not know or approve of the Internal Revenue Service’s eventual plan: to plant a question at a panel discussion attended by a key IRS official.
But he acknowledged that Mark Childress, the White House deputy chief of staff, twice spoke with Treasury Department officials about the best way to let the public know that conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status had been singled out for special scrutiny and sometimes invasive questioning.
See boys and girls, that's the problem with lying. Once you tell a lie, then you have to tell another one to cover that lie. And then another lie one to cover that one, and so on, until you've told so many lies that don't know what lies you've told and finally all of your lies catch up to you when the truth comes out (and it will).
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Heard on a talking head show yesterday while driving (Rush? I forget perzactly who as I don't generally listen to those programs anymore.) that the reason this is coming out now is so it will all be over and forgotten by the 2014 elections. That made a certain sense, especially given the machinations of this administration.
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seems lerner as a manager in the fec filed suit against a christian group in the 90's and lost
payback time
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And Fast and Furious is making a comeback. Seems the US Attorney for AZ was leaking derogatory information about the F&F whistleblower to Fox News(!?!?) in violation of federal law. He facing sanctions from the AZ Bar. Why he's not facing criminal charges is beyond me.
Oh wait. He's Holder's buddy. My bad.
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The fact that there aren't hundreds of .gov employees hanging from light poles shows that Americans are a remarkably patient people.
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The fact that there aren't hundreds of .gov employees hanging from light poles shows that Americans are a remarkably patient people.
Not to mention that we would need to take time off from work :angel:
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Not to mention that we would need to take time off from work :angel:
Nah. Properly motivated, there are plenty of spry retirees, off-shift workers and students who could handle the task without causing the economy a hiccup.
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Nah. Properly motivated, there are plenty of spry retirees, off-shift workers and students who could handle the task without causing the economy a hiccup.
So you know my father? Good with a rope, too.
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The fact that there aren't hundreds of .gov employees hanging from light poles shows that Americans are a remarkably patient people.
You get a teotwawki and I get there will be .gov employees hanging, city, state and fed. Nearly everyone has stood in a DMV line or tried to get a building or business permit. These people lord over you that they have the power to make or break you.
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Folks, this thread has taken a definite turn for the worse.
We're discussing hanging government employees now. That alone is bad juju.
We have government employees as forum members. I wonder how they feel about reading this drek. =|