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Title: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 29, 2013, 10:16:14 AM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps

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One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities, where some may end up on the streets. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.

CMP is a private entity.  I don't know if this will affect them... I sure hope not.

There's also something in the story about stopping "felons" from registering firearms to corporations rather than themselves.  Not sure if this is the truth, or Obama is going after corporations and trusts because it's a good way (for us) to handle inheritance of any firearm and multiparty ownership of NFA items without hassle from FedGuv.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: T.O.M. on August 29, 2013, 10:37:28 AM
Going after CMP imports would show his true colors, not that he already has.  Banning import of M1 Garands as "military grade assault weapons" would show that even under their "we won't touch sportsmen's guns" rules, nothing is safe. 

As to the corporate entity, I wonder if any such law would exclude government agency ownership of firearms for issue?  Be funny if, like the mag capacity limit in New York, they forgot to except LEO's from the restrictions...
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: TechMan on August 29, 2013, 10:43:08 AM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps

CMP is a private entity.  I don't know if this will affect them... I sure hope not.

There's also something in the story about stopping "felons" from registering firearms to corporations rather than themselves.  Not sure if this is the truth, or Obama is going after corporations and trusts because it's a good way (for us) to handle inheritance of any firearm and multiparty ownership of NFA items without hassle from FedGuv.

Anything to make it more difficult.  That is the way of the bureaucrats.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: roo_ster on August 29, 2013, 10:45:33 AM
Yes, they really do hate us and mean us harm.

Time we started working on that assumption.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Balog on August 29, 2013, 12:04:59 PM
Will this import ban affect Saigas and Russian ammo?
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2013, 02:42:40 PM
Will this import ban affect Saigas and Russian ammo?

Doesn't sound like it.  But that's probably next.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Scout26 on August 29, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
By banning the re-import of C&R/CMP rifles and preventing gangbangers from creating corps to buy machine guns.

http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2013/08/29/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps-n1684514


Tam nails it on FB here:
(https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1239966_10151666809319825_1911698451_n.jpg)

And here:
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The NFA CLEO sign-off requirement is racist. An insightful commenter at Sebastian's place noted:

"I would counter that the NFA trust “loophole” is not a loophole at all, but rather a legitimate way around the local LEO signoff, which is in reality nothing more than a Jim Crow measure designed to ensure that only whites have access to NFA items.

When you consider the fact that the original proposed NFA included all handguns and that when you adjust for inflation, $200 would be about $3500 today, it becomes clear that the intent was to make it nearly impossible for anybody but the rich to have access to any useful firearms."

Why are anti-2A people supporting this racist proposed rule change?

http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/08/29/obama-issues-executive-orders-to-screw-us/#comment-289381
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Fitz on August 29, 2013, 03:28:01 PM
WTS: m1d garand with m84 scope: 3,000 dollars
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: charby on August 29, 2013, 03:50:00 PM
But Marijuana is ok

http://news.yahoo.com/feds-wont-sue-stop-marijuana-2-states-173520230--politics.html

Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: TechMan on August 29, 2013, 04:06:18 PM
Merged duplicate topics.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: lupinus on August 29, 2013, 06:13:14 PM
But Marijuana is ok

http://news.yahoo.com/feds-wont-sue-stop-marijuana-2-states-173520230--politics.html


What if you add a bowl to the rifle?
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: charby on August 29, 2013, 06:56:58 PM
What if you add a bowl to the rifle?

The Walter Cronkite Vietnam video series shows a bunch of servicemen doing that with a shotgun.

Found it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2zhI5K5yhU
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2013, 07:04:35 PM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: lupinus on August 29, 2013, 07:07:46 PM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
Because they say so
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2013, 07:13:48 PM
Hmm. I guess I should have read the article before I posted. This seems to be US reimports only, not all milsurps. Nevertheless, they still need to explain the dangers of a basically antique, heavy ass Garand with an 8 round clip.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 29, 2013, 07:14:28 PM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.

Because it's affordable?
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 29, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.

Bayonet.  Shoulder thing that goes up.  You know.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2013, 07:18:11 PM
Bayonet.  Shoulder thing that goes up.  You know.

I got totally ripped off on my 98Ks. Not a single one with the shoulder thing. They did come with cosmoline in the barrels, which as we all know coats bullets as they pass through the barrel to make them slick so they can pierce armor.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: TommyGunn on August 29, 2013, 07:29:51 PM
I got totally ripped off on my 98Ks. Not a single one with the shoulder thing. They did come with cosmoline in the barrels, which as we all know coats bullets as they pass through the barrel to make them slick so they can pierce armor.

Is THAT what it does?   I'll have to try that.
I thought it caused potential barrel obstructions and possibly blew up the barrel. [tinfoil]

You learn something every day on this forum!!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: tokugawa on August 29, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.

 The model 700 is not okie dokie- they just have not gotten around to it yet.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: T.O.M. on August 29, 2013, 10:04:03 PM
The model 700 is not okie dokie- they just have not gotten around to it yet.

Sniper rifle!  Ban it!

Let's face it, if it ain't Joe's good old double, they're gona have some reason.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Ryan in Maine on August 29, 2013, 10:11:15 PM
Yes, they really do hate us and mean us harm.

Time we started working on that assumption.

Combine it with something like Pascral's Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act that would push handgun taxes up towards 20% and ammo taxes up towards 50% (unless you're the govt) and push the NFA taxes to $500 from $200 and $100 from $5, then try to keep a straight face during your next debate with someone advocating shaving away your gun rights with a claymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/26/house-dems-seek-to-tax-gun-owners-with-new-bill/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/26/house-dems-seek-to-tax-gun-owners-with-new-bill/)

They're taxing the 2A for the good of the community.  :rofl:
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: brimic on August 30, 2013, 07:43:39 AM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.

Because Remington 700s break?
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: HankB on August 30, 2013, 09:53:52 AM
I thought it caused potential barrel obstructions and possibly blew up the barrel. [tinfoil]
UNSAFE! BAN IT FOR THE CHILDREN!
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on August 30, 2013, 11:56:31 AM
Dumb question:  If I set up a trust to get supressor, don't I still have to get a background check done?  Wouldn't anyone else who was later added to the trust?
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Scout26 on August 30, 2013, 05:32:15 PM
Dumb question:  If I set up a trust to get supressor, don't I still have to get a background check done?  Wouldn't anyone else who was later added to the trust?

It's not like Stringer Bell and Ray-Ray can just go in, file the paperwork and $25 registration fee. (YMMV in your state)  Yes, you still have to pass the NCIS check.  You just don't need the CLEO sign-off.  Maybe AJ can answer it better.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 31, 2013, 12:01:08 AM
It's not like Stringer Bell and Ray-Ray can just go in, file the paperwork and $25 registration fee. (YMMV in your state)  Yes, you still have to pass the NCIS check.  You just don't need the CLEO sign-off.  Maybe AJ can answer it better.

The Grantor or Trustee who picks up the suppressor registered to an NFA trust is subject to a NICS background check at the actual time of transfer/handover. Maybe it's a grey area in the law/rules, but there's NO SOT/FFL who will not do one.

Of course, the whole thing is up in the air now.  The new rule proposal Eric Holder just signed off on yesterday, it's still unclear if CLEO sign off's have been eliminated for everyone, making trusts moot for most people, or if CLEO sign offs have been added to trusts too. It's very unclear, and a FFL 07/09 SOT friend of mine and Monkeyleg's was talking with the ATF that very day getting his new business premises inspected/signed off on, and he said the ATF inspectors/agents had no clue as to what was going as of yet either.

There's all sorts of speculation and re-reporting flying everywhere over this. People pissed at NFATCA thinking they did this to us on purpose for some tin-foil-hat theories that "rich NFA collectors" wanted the NFA market made more difficult to enter into. (Exact opposite if this is bad, it'll reduce demand and liquidity and prices of pre-86 MG's and exotic/expensive DD's, not raise them...) , others who understand what NFATCA was trying to do to help us (and throw the ATF a bone by making trusts less attractive to reduce their paperwork load) but still pissed they just "didn't leave well enough alone".

And some like me still hoping there's a slim chance CLEO sign-off is still being done away with, and there's still lots of misinformation and FUD going on. I see a tiny chance that we may be going to universal CLEO notification (like when you apply for an 03 C&R FFL)  and CLEO approval is still going away. Admittedly a very slim chance.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: freakazoid on August 31, 2013, 12:19:44 AM
People pissed at NFATCA thinking they did this to us on purpose for some tin-foil-hat theories that "rich NFA collectors" wanted the NFA market made more difficult to enter into.

I've actually seen a thought like this expressed from a collector on why he doesn't want the registry opened up. :mad:
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Scout26 on August 31, 2013, 12:22:30 AM
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Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: AJ Dual on August 31, 2013, 12:38:36 AM
I've actually seen a thought like this expressed from a collector on why he doesn't want the registry opened up. :mad:

Yes, but that's the Hughes amendment to the '86 FOPA, Obama's/Holder's Executive Action (different than an EO) to put out proposed rulemaking changes for the NFA process would only hurt pre-'86 transferable MG prices.

At least this isn't a done deal... yet. It still has to go through the public comment period, and Proposed Rulemaking process etc.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Levant on August 31, 2013, 01:04:04 AM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.


They will eventually say that if a K98K is banned and a 700 is just as deadly then the rule obviously and legally includes the 700 by default.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: French G. on August 31, 2013, 11:57:11 AM
Sniper rifle!  Ban it!

Let's face it, if it ain't Joe's good old double, they're gona have some reason.

Nein.  Double barrel shotgun+hacksaw=constructive possession of an urban beverage redistribution terror weapon.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: tokugawa on August 31, 2013, 12:35:15 PM
funny how we are discussing

 "and how would you like your rights infringed today, my dear?"

 

 
 
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: JN01 on September 01, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.

K98s were used by Nazis.  Nazis are racists, so the K98 is a racist gun.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Gewehr98 on September 07, 2013, 07:53:46 PM
So does this mean the end of the DCM (formerly CMP) and all the Lend/Lease M1 Garands?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/29/1234749/-POTUS-to-Close-Gun-Sale-Loophole-Executive-Style?detail=facebook
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: AJ Dual on September 07, 2013, 08:45:13 PM
So does this mean the end of the DCM (formerly CMP) and all the Lend/Lease M1 Garands?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/29/1234749/-POTUS-to-Close-Gun-Sale-Loophole-Executive-Style?detail=facebook

Probably.

However, nobody but American shooters can possibly have them, they don't have much modern military utility (yeah yeah... let's not go there, I even saw the pic of the FSA guy last week with one and a bandoleer of en bloc clips... everyone should know what I mean.) and hopefully the various foreign .govs will just sit on them for another three years waiting to see if there's a red-state POTUS and a reversal to see if they can be imported again.

The Garands in various warehouses have waited this long, they can wait a little longer.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: freakazoid on September 07, 2013, 11:12:14 PM
I even saw the pic of the FSA guy last week with one and a bandoleer of en bloc clips... everyone should know what I mean.)

I feel left out. :'(
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Ben on September 08, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
So does this mean the end of the DCM (formerly CMP) and all the Lend/Lease M1 Garands?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/29/1234749/-POTUS-to-Close-Gun-Sale-Loophole-Executive-Style?detail=facebook

What I learned from G98's post is that I may not be of the same species, let alone the same culture, as the commenters at Daily Kos. Holy moly, the most left-wing local liberals here can't hold a candle to them.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: Gewehr98 on September 08, 2013, 03:59:58 PM
Yeah, I hate using Daily Kos as a source of news, but the liberals here in the Madison area are crowing about how wonderful this Executive Order is, and using that blog as the definitive news feed. 

Friggin' sad.  Repatriated M1 Garands and M1903 Springfields - the source of all evil.   ;/
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: lee n. field on September 08, 2013, 04:16:35 PM
Probably.

However, nobody but American shooters can possibly have them, they don't have much modern military utility (yeah yeah... let's not go there, I even saw the pic of the FSA guy last week with one and a bandoleer of en bloc clips... everyone should know what I mean.) and hopefully the various foreign .govs will just sit on them for another three years waiting to see if there's a red-state POTUS and a reversal to see if they can be imported again.

The Garands in various warehouses have waited this long, they can wait a little longer.

How many Garands are out there in Korea, waiting for re-import?  Millions, I think I recall.  Not an insignificant chunk of change for the good Koreans.
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on September 09, 2013, 06:36:37 PM
How many Garands are out there in Korea, waiting for re-import?  Millions, I think I recall.  Not an insignificant chunk of change for the good Koreans.

I'm unclear whether the DOD or CMP pays anything for the Garands they get back.  Isn't it part of the terms of accepting our arms in the first place, that we get first right of return prior to any intent of destruction or sale to another party?  And DOD still facilitates the international return of the weapons and turns them over to CMP, even though CMP is no longer DCM and government run?

Maybe Obama is arming the FSA/AQ folks with Garands and carbines, sort of like how he's arming the Mexican cartels.  "Shooting the guns that Americans won't shoot?"
Title: Re: President Acts on Gun Control where Congress won't !!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on September 09, 2013, 08:50:35 PM
Not sure what was expected from a bunch of gun ignorant people on that site. 

Quote
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

I saw this quote on that site.  I guess it must really show you are an idiot when you quote idiots. That isn't why they called you a commie, stupid.  There is a big step missing there, but I guess that is typical of leftist thought.