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Title: Walking dead season 4
Post by: never_retreat on October 13, 2013, 08:38:47 PM
T minus 22 minutes.

That is all.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Fly320s on October 13, 2013, 08:49:44 PM
Watching season 3 now.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 13, 2013, 10:36:55 PM
All I can say is wow.

The zombies have a parachute regiment!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on October 13, 2013, 10:57:38 PM
All I can say is wow.

The zombies have a parachute regiment!

And they trashed an entire liquor department, ahole zombies.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on October 14, 2013, 06:37:24 AM
Zombies weren't bad enough, now bugs to deal with...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: HankB on October 14, 2013, 09:15:25 AM
All I can say is wow.

The zombies have a parachute regiment!
And the zombies on the roof never hit one of the many, many soft spots in their aimless wanderings until the living people showed up, and they never all gathered on one side of the roof - much less fell off - attracted by some outside noise . . .

Also notice how some of the children think zombies are cute and deserve names, and think it's OK to wave at them and attract them without killing them. :facepalm:

We'll see how this plot line - and the kids'  interaction with Carl - play out over the course of the season.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: lupinus on October 14, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
And the zombies on the roof never hit one of the many, many soft spots in their aimless wanderings until the living people showed up, and they never all gathered on one side of the roof - much less fell off - attracted by some outside noise . . .

Also notice how some of the children think zombies are cute and deserve names, and think it's OK to wave at them and attract them without killing them. :facepalm:

We'll see how this plot line - and the kids'  interaction with Carl - play out over the course of the season.
Something tells me it involves Carl getting to be a badass
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 14, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
Just watched.  Other than the *expletive deleted*ing medic and his sightless AR....I'm not complaining about the episode.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 14, 2013, 10:40:57 AM
All I can say is wow.

The zombies have a parachute regiment!

It's raining zombies!!~!!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on October 14, 2013, 11:37:02 AM
Okay, so I finished Season 3 last night (NetFlix).  Where can one watch Season 4 without having cable?  Does AMC post the full episode up to their website?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 14, 2013, 02:11:27 PM
"Does AMC post the full episode up to their website?"

So...

You're on your computer, and posted that, but didn't go look?   :facepalm: :rofl:

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 14, 2013, 02:12:42 PM
"Does AMC post the full episode up to their website?"

So...

You're on your computer, and posted that, but didn't go look?   :facepalm: :rofl:



^

 :rofl:


Since I don't have cable I just paid to access it through the Xbox. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 14, 2013, 05:09:14 PM
Okay, so I finished Season 3 last night (NetFlix).  Where can one watch Season 4 without having cable?  Does AMC post the full episode up to their website?

I have a computer too!  :P

http://www.amctv.com/full-episodes/the-walking-dead
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on October 14, 2013, 07:35:46 PM
I have a computer too!  :P

http://www.amctv.com/full-episodes/the-walking-dead

Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on October 14, 2013, 07:53:14 PM
Just watched.  Other than the *expletive deleted* medic and his sightless AR....I'm not complaining about the episode.

OK that's AR-15  #2 on the series that has lacked sights.  What is it with TV and ARs?  I was watching one of those Sy Fy channel movies and they had some military guy armed with a AR which was clearly an Airsoft and ALSO had NO SIGHTS.   :facepalm: :facepalm:

And it was a pretty good episode in spite of that.  "Raining zombies!" 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 14, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
Just watched.  Other than the *expletive deleted* medic and his sightless AR....I'm not complaining about the episode.

You don't need sights on a AR. All you're going to do is "spray fire it from the hip" anyway.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: RocketMan on October 14, 2013, 09:54:11 PM
We never got to see poor Eddie in the bag.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on October 14, 2013, 11:34:03 PM
We never got to see poor Eddie in the bag.
There's a program on after the show called "Talking Dead" in which a host talks with a guest or two from the show and another , this week the "other" was Nathan Fillion.   Not showing the head was a deliberate choice of the director.  They decided to leave it to the audience's imagination.
I thought it worked out OK.  I don't need to see every zombie.   
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 15, 2013, 12:18:07 AM
There's a program on after the show called "Talking Dead" in which a host talks with a guest or two from the show and another , this week the "other" was Nathan Fillion.   Not showing the head was a deliberate choice of the director.  They decided to leave it to the audience's imagination.
I thought it worked out OK.  I don't need to see every zombie.   

Nathan noticed something pretty funny (don't know if the writers did it on purpose), when Rick asked the girl, "How far is your camp?" She replied "It's just ahead".  =D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on October 15, 2013, 09:38:48 AM
Nathan noticed something pretty funny (don't know if the writers did it on purpose), when Rick asked the girl, "How far is your camp?" She replied "It's just ahead".  =D

In the Talking Dead discussion they also referred to the unseen skull as "Headdie".  =D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 15, 2013, 09:58:56 AM
Was it just Eddie's head in a bag?

Or was he hunched up and his head covered with a sack like the Governor's daughter last season?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on October 15, 2013, 11:44:48 AM
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What is it with TV and ARs?

I also noticed, at least in the finale of last season that there was a fairly clear delineation of who carried what. Bad guys seemed to carry AKs, good guys seemed to carry ARs.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 15, 2013, 12:00:12 PM
I also noticed, at least in the finale of last season that there was a fairly clear delineation of who carried what. Bad guys seemed to carry AKs, good guys seemed to carry ARs.

Which doesn't make any logistical sense at all, since the Governor was raiding National Guard resources, while Rick and his gang just picked up whatever they could find from Bubba's garage along the way.  I seem to remember during Season 3, when Darryl got captured during the raid to free Glen and Maggie, that Darryl had an AK.  But you're right... the Governor's folks were carrying all sorts of esoteric stuff ranging from MP5's to Macs and Uzis to Steyr bullpups towards the end.

This whole thing seems to me to be a world where there should be a lot of guns, but almost no ammo.  And every gun sitting next to a half-eaten and rotted corpse would be empty.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on October 15, 2013, 12:49:08 PM
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This whole thing seems to me to be a world where there should be a lot of guns, but almost no ammo.  And every gun sitting next to a half-eaten and rotted corpse would be empty.
What I always thought weird is why not have everyone armed with Ruger 10/22s or Ruger Chargers, and keep the bigger stuff for fending off living predators? Darn near everyone who owns more than 1 gun owns a 10/22, and a scrounger should be able to find .22 ammo just about anywhere including cars, garages, barns, etc- current .22 shortage notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on October 15, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
The ubiquity of MP5Ks in Woodbury also bugged me. Not a platform in wide circulation.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: White Horseradish on October 15, 2013, 03:04:02 PM
Which doesn't make any logistical sense at all, since the Governor was raiding National Guard resources, while Rick and his gang just picked up whatever they could find from Bubba's garage along the way. 
Rick's crew raided the prison armory. They had some pretty random stuff until they did that.

What throws me is the scarcity of guns in general. This is the South. You oughta be able to break into three houses and come up with guns in two of them.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on October 15, 2013, 03:48:59 PM
Rick's crew raided the prison armory. They had some pretty random stuff until they did that.

What throws me is the scarcity of guns in general. This is the South. You oughta be able to break into three houses and come up with guns in two of them.

I thought the prison armory was cleaned out and they got the consistency in weapons when they went back to Rick's town.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 16, 2013, 09:07:49 AM
"What I always thought weird is why not have everyone armed with Ruger 10/22s..."

DING! DING! DING!

Winner winner chicken dinner.

.22s are far quieter than other firearms, and can be further quieted a lot easier, as well.

You can easily put a 50 round magazine, like a Hot Lips, on a 10-22. The .22 is MORE than powerful enough to zip into a zombie's skull. The lack of recoil makes double taps quick and easy, if needed, or dealing with a herd a lot easier, as well.

You can also carry tons more .22 ammo.


What annoys me about Walking Dead is the constant insistence that "it's got to be the brain!" to put a walker down, but often the crap they do (like the broken pool cue up through the lower jaw and coming out the eye socket) don't come close to getting to the zombie's brain, and many, many other tactics don't come close to the brain stem, which is what Jenner said was the only part of the brain that the virus or whatever restarted.

And has anyone else noticed that zombie skulls tend to be made out of marshmallow fluff and crepe paper?

And finally, one of the things I'd be using for zombie control at the fence?

A generator, an air compressor, and a nail gun.

How much you want to bet that you could go to any big box store in any town and get an air compressor and a nail gun and a gazillion nails with no trouble at all....
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: White Horseradish on October 16, 2013, 10:05:45 AM
And finally, one of the things I'd be using for zombie control at the fence?

A generator, an air compressor, and a nail gun.

How much you want to bet that you could go to any big box store in any town and get an air compressor and a nail gun and a gazillion nails with no trouble at all....
Gas powered compressor. Any home improvement store would have one.

Also, a veterinarian's office, a slaughterhouse, or maybe even farms should have a captive bolt gun or two. No need to use up nails.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 16, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
IMO, gas shouldn't be working anymore.

Maybe diesel.  Not sure about storage longevity of modern diesel.

But the ethanol-mixed crap should be all gummy and have water separation problems after 6-12 months.  Aren't we 2 years into Z-day now at this point?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on October 16, 2013, 10:51:35 AM
IMO, gas shouldn't be working anymore.

Maybe diesel.  Not sure about storage longevity of modern diesel.

But the ethanol-mixed crap should be all gummy and have water separation problems after 6-12 months.  Aren't we 2 years into Z-day now at this point?

They just need to find the 4X4 version of one of these:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/132921/the-thorium-powered-car-eight-grams-one-million-miles/
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on October 16, 2013, 11:41:07 AM
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A generator, an air compressor, and a nail gun.

How much you want to bet that you could go to any big box store in any town and get an air compressor and a nail gun and a gazillion nails with no trouble at all....

Easier: Paslode nailer.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 16, 2013, 12:37:15 PM
I agree, gasoline shouldn't be working too well anymore.

Stability goes up the larger the volume being stored, so if you could find large tanks you could buy some time that way.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: RocketMan on October 17, 2013, 07:29:47 AM
There's a program on after the show called "Talking Dead" in which a host talks with a guest or two from the show and another , this week the "other" was Nathan Fillion.   Not showing the head was a deliberate choice of the director.  They decided to leave it to the audience's imagination.
I thought it worked out OK.  I don't need to see every zombie.   

I watched the Talking Dead afterwards, but must have missed that part.  I was playing a game of Solitaire on the laptop at the time.  Maybe that's why.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 17, 2013, 10:06:01 AM
I agree, gasoline shouldn't be working too well anymore.

Stability goes up the larger the volume being stored, so if you could find large tanks you could buy some time that way.



Meh.  Plausibility goes out the window when we start talking about the dead roaming the earth.
I am about *expletive deleted*ing sick of sightless firearms, though.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 17, 2013, 11:12:15 AM
Meh.  Plausibility goes out the window when we start talking about the dead roaming the earth.
I am about *expletive deleted* sick of sightless firearms, though.


If Democrats can roam the earth in hoards, I find it to be entirely plausible that the dead can also roam the earth.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 17, 2013, 11:34:59 AM
If Democrats can roam the earth in hoards, I find it to be entirely plausible that the dead can also roam the earth.

Touché', sir....touché'.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Triphammer on October 17, 2013, 03:32:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 17, 2013, 04:31:55 PM
Easier: Paslode nailer.

http://www.paslode.com/nails/fnps.html

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quicklode logo
Guaranteed to drive every nail in the box
Easy to load.  No snapping, twisting or aligning - just drop in and go!
Extended fuel cell life - 21 month shelf life!

Seems to have the same kind of limitations as gasoline (although they will likely last a bit longer than 21 months.)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 21, 2013, 06:03:31 PM
So after last night's awesome episode, I'm shocked this didn't make it back to page one.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 21, 2013, 10:19:34 PM
So after last night's awesome episode, I'm shocked this didn't make it back to page one.

Oh, but it did! =D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Cliffh on October 21, 2013, 11:01:53 PM
Next week looks to be interesting.  They did say we can expect to see many more walkers this season....
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 22, 2013, 09:09:14 AM
Next week looks to be interesting.  They did say we can expect to see many more walkers this season....

I guess you watched "Talking Dead"? Greg Nicotero said in one scene, they run into 2,500 walkers!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
I thought he said 7,500 walkers...

"That's what 7,500 walkers looks like..."

That's enough to make you poo yourself.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 22, 2013, 09:28:17 AM
I thought he said 7,500 walkers...

"That's what 7,500 walkers looks like..."

That's enough to make you poo yourself.

You may be right. My memory is sometimes not so good. I loved the way the scene starts out. I was thinking, " Daryl, why don't you just run over the walkers"? Then....Oh *expletive deleted*it!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 10:12:58 AM
You may be right. My memory is sometimes not so good. I loved the way the scene starts out. I was thinking, " Daryl, why don't you just run over the walkers"? Then....Oh *expletive deleted*!

HA!

I had a similar thought for a second, then came the dawning... "If he's not pushing through the zombies... Oh hell!"
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 22, 2013, 10:25:01 AM
Wow, this season is REALLY dark and depressing.  Pure psychological torture of the prison colony.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 10:39:50 AM
Wow, this season is REALLY dark and depressing.  Pure psychological torture of the prison colony.


And the first three seasons had been walking on *expletive deleted*ing sunshine... :D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 22, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Of course maybe greasing the piggies up and letting them go would have been more effective.  Zombies chasing greased piggies  :rofl:


Can't watch the talking dead since I'm not a subscriber. One of my biggest complaints about using Xbox video to watch shows is no preview for the following week, either.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 11:19:15 AM
Of course maybe greasing the piggies up and letting them go would have been more effective.  Zombies chasing greased piggies  :rofl:


Can't watch the talking dead since I'm not a subscriber. One of my biggest complaints about using Xbox video to watch shows is no preview for the following week, either.


Earth to not-too-bright government employee...

Previews are available on this new and magical invention called the intardnet, at a wondrous place called http://www.amctv.com/

Has your brain really crapped out to that degree that you've never checked the website for both previews AND full episodes AND lots of other neat Walking Dead related stuff?

Wow.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 11:24:01 AM
In regards to Talking Dead, about 95% of the time you're really not missing all that much.

About the funniest thing was a few seasons ago when Chandler Riggs (Carl) called in and said he wanted a flame thrower with a bayonet as his ultimate zombie weapon.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 22, 2013, 11:31:17 AM


About the funniest thing was a few seasons ago when Chandler Riggs (Carl) called in and said he wanted a flame thrower with a bayonet as his ultimate zombie weapon.

That's dumb.  Then you have angry flesh-eating ambulatory fireballs chasing you.  Zombies continue the chase even when they have no hips, and are leaking their intestines in long ropes behind them as they crawl across the grass.  They'll continue to advance when merely on fire, as well... until the fire finally gets to the brain and cooks it.

I'm still aghast that nobody has taken tanks, tractors, combines, bulldozers and other heavy equipment and figured out you can just run 'em over.  At least until you run out of diesel.  Which they obviously haven't, yet.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on October 22, 2013, 11:33:42 AM
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Of course maybe greasing the piggies up and letting them go would have been more effective.  Zombies chasing greased piggies

I was thinking the same- greased and hobbled, so that they can run just about the same speed as the fastest walkers.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 11:45:22 AM
That's dumb.  Then you have angry flesh-eating ambulatory fireballs chasing you.  Zombies continue the chase even when they have no hips, and are leaking their intestines in long ropes behind them as they crawl across the grass.  They'll continue to advance when merely on fire, as well... until the fire finally gets to the brain and cooks it.

I'm still aghast that nobody has taken tanks, tractors, combines, bulldozers and other heavy equipment and figured out you can just run 'em over.  At least until you run out of diesel.  Which they obviously haven't, yet.

Well duh, that's what made it so funny! He was probably 11 or 12 when he called that in, and his answer showed. What 11 year old wouldn't want a flame thrower?

Have to agree with you on the tractor. Build a security cage and use the front power take off to power a rotating scythe like Ash did in Evil Dead III. A big asphalt roller would also be a good zombie machine.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on October 22, 2013, 12:31:16 PM

Earth to not-too-bright government employee...

Previews are available on this new and magical invention called the intardnet, at a wondrous place called http://www.amctv.com/

Has your brain really crapped out to that degree that you've never checked the website for both previews AND full episodes AND lots of other neat Walking Dead related stuff?

Wow.

Unfortunately you have to have a cable account to login to watch it on AMC's website, including the full episode of The Walking Dead and Talking Dead.   =|
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on October 22, 2013, 12:32:13 PM
Unfortunately you have to have a cable account to login to watch it on AMC's website, including the full episode of The Walking Dead and Talking Dead.   =|

Nothing is for free anymore.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on October 22, 2013, 12:36:38 PM
Nothing is for free anymore.

Yep...So I will have to be patient and wait until it comes out on Netflix.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 12:59:50 PM
"Unfortunately you have to have a cable account to login to watch it on AMC's website..."

When in the hell did they start that *expletive deleted*???

What a bunch of crap.

Well, it would appear that I owe JamisJockey an apology.

He's not going to get one, but I owe him one.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 22, 2013, 01:07:42 PM

Earth to not-too-bright government employee...

Previews are available on this new and magical invention called the intardnet, at a wondrous place called http://www.amctv.com/

Has your brain really crapped out to that degree that you've never checked the website for both previews AND full episodes AND lots of other neat Walking Dead related stuff?

Wow.

Previews, yes.  Full episodes of the Talking Dead after show, no.


"Unfortunately you have to have a cable account to login to watch it on AMC's website..."

When in the hell did they start that *expletive deleted*???

What a bunch of crap.

Well, it would appear that I owe JamisJockey an apology.

He's not going to get one, but I owe him one.  :rofl:

Foot, mouth, repeat.   :-*
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 01:19:12 PM
Oh, I'll fully admit to assuming that a man with a sugar mamma who keeps him in a high-end crapshack with a boat and lots of other rich-boy toys would have cable TV service of some type.

And if he didn't, because that's the ONE THING that he's too damned cheap to spring for, he wouldn't come here and whine about it.

My mistake.

Now run along, this conversation isn't for you, it's for the grown ups whose mommies let them stay up late and watch zombie movies on TV...



Oh, and just FYI, I heard on the news this morning that some huggy feely type group is trying to get either today or this week designated no snark day. I wonder how that's working out?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: HankB on October 22, 2013, 01:27:14 PM
. . . I'm still aghast that nobody has taken tanks, tractors, combines, bulldozers and other heavy equipment and figured out you can just run 'em over.  At least until you run out of diesel.  Which they obviously haven't, yet.
Farm country - combine. Up North, I'm thinking one of those truck-mounted snow throwers. (Would've been helpful in clearing Atlanta's streets in the 1st season - too bad the city isn't in the snow belt.)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 01:37:30 PM
Not sure a combine would handle that much bone.

Of course, judging by how easy it is to get a small, pointy stick through a walker's skull, it's pretty obvious that the bones have turned to marshmallow fluff and crepe paper...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 22, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
Everything got so effed up in the prison just from 1 person dieing in his sleep... do you think they will start locking cell doors at night as a result?  Leave a key to the cell inside each cell, so that an intelligent and alive person can open the door but a dead zombie doesn't know how?

Or will they post guards?  What if the guards die during their watch without somehow alerting others?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on October 22, 2013, 03:14:43 PM
Everything got so effed up in the prison just from 1 person dieing in his sleep... do you think they will start locking cell doors at night as a result?  Leave a key to the cell inside each cell, so that an intelligent and alive person can open the door but a dead zombie doesn't know how?

Or will they post guards?  What if the guards die during their watch without somehow alerting others?

With this show, I would want both a key and bolt cutters in my cell, because you never know when some whacko or mole of the Governor will decide to start locking people in their cells using his own locks.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: mtnbkr on October 22, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
Everything got so effed up in the prison just from 1 person dieing in his sleep

I thought multiple people died from the flu, but they only showed the one dying in the shower.

Chris
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on October 22, 2013, 03:54:21 PM
I thought multiple people died from the flu, but they only showed the one dying in the shower.

Chris

Yeah, I thought they said several people they put down had the "red eyes".
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 04:24:53 PM
Patrick was apparently the only person in the prison to die from the flu. There were walkers at the prison fence that died from the flu, and that's apparently how Patrick and the other two (the two who were apparently murdered and their bodies burned) contracted it.

Even though they're nicely in their prison, the last thing I'd do would be to let everyone go to sleep. There would be at least two people standing firewatch at all time.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: mtnbkr on October 22, 2013, 04:26:51 PM
Patrick was apparently the only person in the prison to die from the flu. There were walkers at the prison fence that died from the flu, and that's apparently how Patrick and the other two (the two who were apparently murdered and their bodies burned) contracted it.

They showed one other person with the eyes and suggested a couple others had it as well.

Chris
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 04:30:42 PM
I don't remember that, but I do know that they segregated the two people because they feared that they had it.


Hey Jamis, I just went to AMCTV.COM and it looks as if you can watch the first episode of the season without having to pay. It didn't ask me to log in or anything. When I tried to look at the second episode, it DID ask me to log in, so it looks as if they may take the log in constraint off after a couple of days.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2013, 04:36:13 PM
OK, just watched the spoilers on AMCtv.com, and I see where they found at least one other person who died from the flu in the cell block.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 23, 2013, 11:26:56 AM
Patrick was apparently the only person in the prison to die from the flu. There were walkers at the prison fence that died from the flu, and that's apparently how Patrick and the other two (the two who were apparently murdered and their bodies burned) contracted it.

Even though they're nicely in their prison, the last thing I'd do would be to let everyone go to sleep. There would be at least two people standing firewatch at all time.

That's honestly one of my hardest things about watching this show.  Some of the dumb ass mistakes they make along those lines.
I would also insist that after curfew, everyone lock themselves into their cells.  Even a simple bungee cord would prevent those who die in their sleep.  Gotta piss in the night? Piss bucket honey badger don't give a *expletive deleted*ck. Stay in your cell unless boarders need to be repelled.


I think they've got a sicko in the group, too. Someone was feeding the damn rats. Someone killed the two sick people and burned them.  Someone is a loose cannon and I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 23, 2013, 11:30:26 AM



I think they've got a sicko in the group, too. Someone was feeding the damn rats. Someone killed the two sick people and burned them.  Someone is a loose cannon and I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out!

I thought that the burned bodies at the end of episode two was some sort of crazy suicide... it was black dude's girlfriend and someone else.  No?  What did I fail to observe?  It certainly makes more sense as you propose, but I didn't pick up on that.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 23, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
I thought that the burned bodies at the end of episode two was some sort of crazy suicide... it was black dude's girlfriend and someone else.  No?  What did I fail to observe?  It certainly makes more sense as you propose, but I didn't pick up on that.

Blood trails. Both bodies were dragged to the burn site.  Obviously, they might have died and then been dragged out and burned.  But the midnight feeding of the rats at the fence has the hair on the back of my neck saying "But wait, there's more!"
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 23, 2013, 11:56:37 AM
I'm thinking it's Rick feeding the rats and going insane.

He's not come back from the brink. He's just gone to a different ledge.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 23, 2013, 11:57:10 AM
Somehow I interpreted the blood trails as someone coughing up blood due to sickness and dragging himself/herself outside and burning himself/herself alive so as not to turn when dead.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on October 23, 2013, 02:12:07 PM
http://io9.com/monster-mash-sung-by-the-cast-of-the-walking-dead-1450273027
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: tokugawa on October 23, 2013, 04:12:47 PM
You guys watch weird stuff on the tube. =D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 23, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
I'm thinking it's Rick feeding the rats and going insane.

He's not come back from the brink. He's just gone to a different ledge.


Oooohhhh what if he killed and burned the sick!!!!

Somehow I interpreted the blood trails as someone coughing up blood due to sickness and dragging himself/herself outside and burning himself/herself alive so as not to turn when dead.

Someone feeding the rats is what made me think the other way.  Someone in there is *expletive deleted*ed up....
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 23, 2013, 04:38:16 PM
you would think they would drag in a cargo container
set it in front of a gate
open the doors
open the gate
pound on the back
fill with zeds
close gate
close doors
exterminate

a simple oneway door and a noise maker could be a nice mousetrap
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 23, 2013, 04:48:26 PM
Or at least put cargo containers in front of the fence.

I don't care how many zeds are pushing at a cargo container's walls.  They could have hundreds crushing against a container, all they'll do is squish their buddies up front into jelly.

It would also block visual access of the yard, stopping zed from coming around at all.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 23, 2013, 05:51:58 PM
you would think they would drag in a cargo container
set it in front of a gate
open the doors
open the gate
pound on the back
fill with zeds
close gate
close doors
exterminate

a simple oneway door and a noise maker could be a nice mousetrap

Needs to be emptied.

Inner perimeter of containers makes sense.

Remember the zeds are drawn to movement AND sound.  So there would still be some drawn to the prison no matter what fortifications were erected.
Another option would be mounting spikes along the fence like the crazy guy who originally found Rick had back at his town.
As it is now, the zeds have unabated access to swarm the fence. 
Also, they've had the manpower, they could have reinforced the fences with all manner of things.  They put a lot of thought into the gate, but the fence is how they accessed the prison originally and should be considered a weak point.
Woodbury is a great example on how they should be doing it.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on October 23, 2013, 06:05:13 PM

Also, they've had the manpower, they could have reinforced the fences with all manner of things.  They put a lot of thought into the gate, but the fence is how they accessed the prison originally and should be considered a weak point.
Woodbury is a great example on how they should be doing it.

Yeah, that bugged me. They have all kinds of stuff they can use to strengthen the fence.

Not sure about lining the fence with containers. While creating a stronger barrier, it also creates "sneak up" points for not necessarily walkers. Kinda like not keeping big bushes near the windows of your house that would give burglars hiding places.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 23, 2013, 06:25:04 PM
fire would empty the trap
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 23, 2013, 07:29:43 PM
fire would empty the trap

Remember the torched walkers in the pit?  I'd say it does a lot of damage to them but doesn't take them out of the equation.  To really toss them off, you'd probably need the kinds of temperatures that would melt a container.

Yeah, that bugged me. They have all kinds of stuff they can use to strengthen the fence.

Not sure about lining the fence with containers. While creating a stronger barrier, it also creates "sneak up" points for not necessarily walkers. Kinda like not keeping big bushes near the windows of your house that would give burglars hiding places.

Use it strategically.   Areas that are more prone to draw zeds, like near the gates. 
The guard tower still functions, which gives visibility to cover some areas.
Also, might be worth creating an absolutely rock solid inner perimeter.  IIRC the prison has two fences and then the outer wall shares some fence with the yards.  I'd also concentrate on making that innermost perimeter as strong as possible.  Stack whatever will stack inside the fences.  Block off doors and windows that aren't necessary. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Cliffh on October 23, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Blood trails. Both bodies were dragged to the burn site.  Obviously, they might have died and then been dragged out and burned.  But the midnight feeding of the rats at the fence has the hair on the back of my neck saying "But wait, there's more!"[/i]


One of the reasons I keep watching.  The staff on this show loves hairy twists & turns - and so do I!

I like the idea of a solid wall, but not as the first barrier.  Leave the chain link fence up and setup watches on top of the solid barrier. 

I was going to suggest the watches be armed with something low-tech & reusable, i.e. spears, bows etc.  But they're either not long range enough or not accurate enough for consistent head shots on moving targets.  Fire's not a good option.  A moat - not so good either.  Spikes/stakes - need to be cleaned off, meaning someone has to go outside the perimeter.  Explosives?  Makes little pieces that will still be trying to kill someone.  Maybe bring back roll-your-own black powder and adapting/manufacturing something to use it - long gun, cannon, etc.

Perimeter defense against an army that can only be killed one way is a bitch.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on October 24, 2013, 09:46:12 AM
The countryside is LOADED with things that they're not making use of to fortify their little slice of heaven...

Electrical transmission lines can be used as cables to stay the fence poles.

Railroad rails can be used as brace bars. They are also pretty damned effective armor when alternately stacked and used to protect against non walkers with guns.

The cargo containers is a good one I hadn't thought about.

I'd at least use several in the inner yard to build a watch platform and tower.

As others have mentioned, there's construction equipment EVERYWHERE. Dig some damned walker traps. The pointy sticks around the gates are a good idea, maybe one of the first ones they've had.

There's got to be gazillions of concrete blocks and loads of cement that is still viable all over the countryside that could also be used to supplement the fence.

And instead of letting them pile up against the fence every day, they should be out building a stand off barrier of... pointy sticks...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Cliffh on October 25, 2013, 12:39:16 AM
And instead of letting them pile up against the fence every day, they should be out building a stand off barrier of... pointy sticks...

The pointy sticks would work, for a while.  Until they're full of still moving walkers.  I ain't volunteering to go out and clean off the sticks.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 25, 2013, 02:24:51 AM
Give me TIKIWIKI and a scavengeable world, and I'll build a solar powered zed squisher that weighs 10 tons, moves on tracks, has an armored cabin, a 50 mile range and returns home to recharge.  Once I have it manually controlled, it's just a matter of time until I make it run off remote or even automate it to just run lat/long coordinates via GPS, unmanned.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Dannyboy on October 25, 2013, 06:25:31 AM
I thought the rats were from the little girl feeding her pet walker, Nick.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: mtnbkr on October 25, 2013, 06:50:07 AM
I thought the rats were from the little girl feeding her pet walker, Nick.

That's what I thought as well.

Chris
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 25, 2013, 12:25:13 PM
Give me TIKIWIKI and a scavengeable world, and I'll build a solar powered zed squisher that weighs 10 tons, moves on tracks, has an armored cabin, a 50 mile range and returns home to recharge.  Once I have it manually controlled, it's just a matter of time until I make it run off remote or even automate it to just run lat/long coordinates via GPS, unmanned.



your newsletter, i would please to subscribe
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 25, 2013, 12:27:50 PM
put this on the end of the mousetrap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dn8xKH7afo
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 25, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
I thought the rats were from the little girl feeding her pet walker, Nick.

Hadn't thought of that.

Still convinced the sick ones were murdered.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Triphammer on October 25, 2013, 09:41:40 PM
Hadn't thought of that.

Still convinced the sick ones were murdered.
I'm thinking the Asian kid,(It's ok, everyone's a kid to me), protecting his now pregnant wife. The guy is undercover hardcore.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 28, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
Carol you crazy bitch! 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on October 28, 2013, 09:57:14 AM
Carol you crazy bitch! 

Too bad it was already too late.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 28, 2013, 10:04:55 AM
And chalk the charger up to being a bad apocalyptic choice of vehicle.  4x4 is a must. 
And that sea of undead at the school....holy *expletive deleted*ck.    :O
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 28, 2013, 10:32:17 AM
they need an icecream truck full of piglets to draw off the mega swarm at 20 miles out
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 28, 2013, 10:49:54 AM
they need an icecream truck full of piglets to draw off the mega swarm at 20 miles out

Major distraction time for sure.  A big enough explosion a few miles away would get them shuffling off.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on October 28, 2013, 11:18:58 AM
Carol you crazy bitch! 

Well,  for once, I actually saw THAT coming..... [popcorn]
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on October 28, 2013, 11:35:24 AM
DED Talk: A TED Talk For Zombies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHxTKj6TdN8)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 28, 2013, 03:04:29 PM
I'm still cheesed off that they didn't jack all the military hardware that they rightfully should of after they broke the governor.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: lupinus on October 28, 2013, 03:51:36 PM
I'm still cheesed off that they didn't jack all the military hardware that they rightfully should of after they broke the governor.

I'm still cheesed off that they didn't jack all the military hardware that they rightfully should of after they broke the governor.

But that would have made sense.

We can't go making sense...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ned Hamford on October 28, 2013, 06:27:20 PM
I thought they were making Carol so obvious they were setting up a red herring.  Nope. 

It is killing me that they don't have rotating shifts of stick stabbers.  Waiting till there is a horde threatening to knock down the fence... Well, that is why you don't have bacon now!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 29, 2013, 12:18:56 AM
I've yet to see a single walker with the dexterity to be able to climb up on a bulldozer while it's plodding forward at half a mile an hour.

It would be a NICE change of pace to include some "28 days" style rage zombies. >:D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 29, 2013, 09:43:40 AM
I've yet to see a single walker with the dexterity to be able to climb up on a bulldozer while it's plodding forward at half a mile an hour.

It would be a NICE change of pace to include some "28 days" style rage zombies. >:D

Or some fat boys like zombie land....
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 29, 2013, 10:01:50 AM
Oh and anyone catch Rick's miss?  When Carol was running back, he took his shot and hit the female zombie center mass.  She got back up and he had to take the head shot.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on October 29, 2013, 10:10:18 AM
Old habits die hard, I guess.   





I wonder what they're going to do about Carol?   Tyreese seemed to have the greatest stake in finding the murderers but he's out on the walkabout and his continued participation in lifely activities seems dubious.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 29, 2013, 10:46:46 AM
Old habits die hard, I guess.   





I wonder what they're going to do about Carol?   Tyreese seemed to have the greatest stake in finding the murderers but he's out on the walkabout and his continued participation in lifely activities seems dubious.

Oh no, that right there is too good of a drama to let pass.  He'll survive.  But, being a surplus of black males....I suspect the medic buys it.   :laugh:

Anyone catching the vibe between Machone and Daryl?  In the comic, Machone breaks Tyreese away from his love interest.  Just sayin, I see a love triangle forming. And Carol is turning out to be hard and maybe a little crazy deep down.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on October 29, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
Oh no, that right there is too good of a drama to let pass.  He'll survive.  But, being a surplus of black males....I suspect the medic buys it.   :laugh:

Anyone catching the vibe between Machone and Daryl?  In the comic, Machone breaks Tyreese away from his love interest.  Just sayin, I see a love triangle forming. And Carol is turning out to be hard and maybe a little crazy deep down.

Ooh, scary. Chick fight! Michonne's a better straight-up fighter, but we have now learned that Carol plays dirty...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 29, 2013, 10:56:21 AM
I do find it out of character for Carol to burn the bodies, though.  She has hardened up and is capable of a humane coup-de-grace of a dead person who is not quite yet converted to a zed, but she's always been respectful of the corpse afterwards.  After all, once it has scrambled brains it can't get up and snack on anyone.  Perfectly fine to bury it conventionally.

Burning the bodies does no good in regards to the infection because the bodies weren't incinerated.  Just surface-seared.  They're still blue-rare inside.  And the bedding, the property, the blood trails on the floor... none of that was sanitized which is far more dangerous than the bodies.  This whole infection seems to be respiratory rather than blood-borne.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: never_retreat on October 29, 2013, 11:11:09 AM
Remember kiddies.
There is nothing worse than a hoard of the un-dead, than a hoard of the un-dead on fire.





But on that note after seeing that giant mass off zombies, I think they need to go get on of the 6x6's that was in the town and do some off roding.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 29, 2013, 11:20:16 AM
Also... zombies!  Thousands of them!  


Let's say you were sitting on hundreds of thousands of rounds of .223, and had an AR set up exactly how you would like.

How many people would you need to wipe out 5000 zombies from rifle range as they marched towards you at 1 mile per hour?  At what distance would you start shooting at them?


If it's just me all by my lonesome self, I could place a headshot every shot from 300 yards and closer, firing one shot every 2 seconds, with a fixed 4x scope of some sort.

Zombies moving at 1mph will close 300 yards in about 1/5 of an hour, or 12 minutes.  A mass of zombies 5000 deep where each zombie consumes 4 square feet will have a surface area of 20,000 square feet.  If in the rough shape of a hybrid squarish-circle mob, the radius would be about 80 feet and the width of the wall moving towards you would be about 160 feet.

12 minutes of constant shooting, 30 headshots per minute, yields 360 dead zombies.  All the zombies shot would be on the leading edge of the mass, hopefully the shooter is just moving from left to right or right to left, typewriter style.  160 feet of surface area at 2 feet per zombie results in 80 zombies per wave, so I would get rid of 4-5 waves of zombies before the whole mass closed 300 yards.  The 5th wave would be 10 feet away after shooting for 12 minutes.

If I had a fire team consisting of 10 total shooters, all capable of head shots at 300 yards and closer at a rate of 1 shot per 2 seconds, I'd have 3600 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  At 80 zombies per wave, we'd end up chewing through 45 waves of zombies, buying us an extra 90 feet after 12 minutes of constant firing.  This also leaves our flanks and rear exposed to stray zeds who  are not part of the main herd.

Fifteen shooters dedicated to herd destruction shooting at that skill and rate would yield 4800 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  They would push through 4800 of the 5000 zombies in 12 minutes, 60 waves which would yield 120 feet of distance for the remaining 200 zombies.  If zed is moving 1mph or 300 yards in 12 minutes, then he will need 96 seconds to cross 40 yards.  Fifteen marksmen can fire 200 shots in 90 seconds with no problem.  That just leaves flank and rearguards.  Add 2 shooters to the left and right sides to sweep up strays that would otherwise distract the main 15 shooters, and 2 to the rear.  21 shooters with a 500 round loadout should be able to eliminate that herd.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on October 29, 2013, 11:26:38 AM
Also... zombies!  Thousands of them!  


Let's say you were sitting on hundreds of thousands of rounds of .223, and had an AR set up exactly how you would like.

How many people would you need to wipe out 5000 zombies from rifle range as they marched towards you at 1 mile per hour?  At what distance would you start shooting at them?


If it's just me all by my lonesome self, I could place a headshot every shot from 300 yards and closer, firing one shot every 2 seconds, with a fixed 4x scope of some sort.

Zombies moving at 1mph will close 300 yards in about 1/5 of an hour, or 12 minutes.  A mass of zombies 5000 deep where each zombie consumes 4 square feet will have a surface area of 20,000 square feet.  If in the rough shape of a hybrid squarish-circle mob, the radius would be about 80 feet and the width of the wall moving towards you would be about 160 feet.

12 minutes of constant shooting, 30 headshots per minute, yields 360 dead zombies.  All the zombies shot would be on the leading edge of the mass, hopefully the shooter is just moving from left to right or right to left, typewriter style.  160 feet of surface area at 2 feet per zombie results in 80 zombies per wave, so I would get rid of 4-5 waves of zombies before the whole mass closed 300 yards.  The 5th wave would be 10 feet away after shooting for 12 minutes.

If I had a fire team consisting of 10 total shooters, all capable of head shots at 300 yards and closer at a rate of 1 shot per 2 seconds, I'd have 3600 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  At 80 zombies per wave, we'd end up chewing through 45 waves of zombies, buying us an extra 90 feet after 12 minutes of constant firing.  This also leaves our flanks and rear exposed to stray zeds who  are not part of the main herd.

Fifteen shooters dedicated to herd destruction shooting at that skill and rate would yield 4800 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  They would push through 4800 of the 5000 zombies in 12 minutes, 60 waves which would yield 120 feet of distance for the remaining 200 zombies.  If zed is moving 1mph or 300 yards in 12 minutes, then he will need 96 seconds to cross 40 yards.  Fifteen marksmen can fire 200 shots in 90 seconds with no problem.  That just leaves flank and rearguards.  Add 2 shooters to the left and right sides to sweep up strays that would otherwise distract the main 15 shooters, and 2 to the rear.  21 shooters with a 500 round loadout should be able to eliminate that herd.

Congratulations! You've just condensed a couple seasons of zed-soap television down to a couple of hours, with padding for character development, for which the only interested advertisers would be AR-15, ammunition and optics manufacturers.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ned Hamford on October 29, 2013, 12:53:08 PM
Congratulations! You've just condensed a couple seasons of zed-soap television down to a couple of hours, with padding for character development, for which the only interested advertisers would be AR-15, ammunition and optics manufacturers.

And HS math instructors  =D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 29, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Maybe in a laboratory.  And assuming you've only got undead approaching from the front.  And ten solid shooters.  And hundreds of pounds of ammo handy.  And no margin of error.  Lulz
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: HankB on October 29, 2013, 01:58:22 PM
The speed of the zombie wave would be reduced as the ones in back had to start climbing over the double-dead ones that were already headshot.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 29, 2013, 02:07:36 PM
And I think if you're going to work on thinning the herd, you'll need some kind of choke point, with a solid escape route and a secondary. 
Draw the undead into a corridor you can control. 
Another factor is malfunctions and break downs.  You will need some kind of stand off.  Standing open ground to fight them is pure madness.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: lupinus on October 29, 2013, 03:04:13 PM
Also... zombies!  Thousands of them!  


Let's say you were sitting on hundreds of thousands of rounds of .223, and had an AR set up exactly how you would like.

How many people would you need to wipe out 5000 zombies from rifle range as they marched towards you at 1 mile per hour?  At what distance would you start shooting at them?


If it's just me all by my lonesome self, I could place a headshot every shot from 300 yards and closer, firing one shot every 2 seconds, with a fixed 4x scope of some sort.

Zombies moving at 1mph will close 300 yards in about 1/5 of an hour, or 12 minutes.  A mass of zombies 5000 deep where each zombie consumes 4 square feet will have a surface area of 20,000 square feet.  If in the rough shape of a hybrid squarish-circle mob, the radius would be about 80 feet and the width of the wall moving towards you would be about 160 feet.

12 minutes of constant shooting, 30 headshots per minute, yields 360 dead zombies.  All the zombies shot would be on the leading edge of the mass, hopefully the shooter is just moving from left to right or right to left, typewriter style.  160 feet of surface area at 2 feet per zombie results in 80 zombies per wave, so I would get rid of 4-5 waves of zombies before the whole mass closed 300 yards.  The 5th wave would be 10 feet away after shooting for 12 minutes.

If I had a fire team consisting of 10 total shooters, all capable of head shots at 300 yards and closer at a rate of 1 shot per 2 seconds, I'd have 3600 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  At 80 zombies per wave, we'd end up chewing through 45 waves of zombies, buying us an extra 90 feet after 12 minutes of constant firing.  This also leaves our flanks and rear exposed to stray zeds who  are not part of the main herd.

Fifteen shooters dedicated to herd destruction shooting at that skill and rate would yield 4800 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  They would push through 4800 of the 5000 zombies in 12 minutes, 60 waves which would yield 120 feet of distance for the remaining 200 zombies.  If zed is moving 1mph or 300 yards in 12 minutes, then he will need 96 seconds to cross 40 yards.  Fifteen marksmen can fire 200 shots in 90 seconds with no problem.  That just leaves flank and rearguards.  Add 2 shooters to the left and right sides to sweep up strays that would otherwise distract the main 15 shooters, and 2 to the rear.  21 shooters with a 500 round loadout should be able to eliminate that herd.
What's the math look like with mag changes?

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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on October 29, 2013, 03:05:07 PM
And I think if you're going to work on thinning the herd, you'll need some kind of choke point,

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Title: Re: Re: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 29, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
What's the math look like with mag changes?

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That includes mag changes.  30 shots per minute, 30rd mags, one mag change per minute.

In a typical Appleseed we teach one well-aimed shot every 3-5 seconds, but when we went to Fort Bliss to teach an SDM group, we were told to alter the curriculum to a much faster rate.  We all confirmed it wasn't an unrealistic rate on our own, prior to going.  Pushing hard, I can get two shots off every respiratory cycle, and get that respiratory cycle to 2-3 seconds each.  It's fatiguing, and I don't think I could keep it up for 15 minutes... but in this particular application the marksmanship demands get easier and easier as the zeds come closer.  Within 100 yards, I could get 50-60 rounds off in a minute and still maintain 6" accuracy while moving from target to target.

Keep in mind, zed has no projectile weapons to cause you consternation.  You can get a classic well-stabilized shooting position and just go to town.

You also get overpenetration working for you... certainly not every shot, but maybe 1 in 10 or so will result in a double-strike that puts down a walker behind your target.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on October 29, 2013, 07:28:33 PM
Also... zombies!  Thousands of them!   

Let's say you were sitting on hundreds of thousands of rounds of .223, and had an AR set up exactly how you would like.

How many people would you need to wipe out 5000 zombies from rifle range as they marched towards you at 1 mile per hour?  At what distance would you start shooting at them?


If it's just me all by my lonesome self, I could place a headshot every shot from 300 yards and closer, firing one shot every 2 seconds, with a fixed 4x scope of some sort.

Zombies moving at 1mph will close 300 yards in about 1/5 of an hour, or 12 minutes.  A mass of zombies 5000 deep where each zombie consumes 4 square feet will have a surface area of 20,000 square feet.  If in the rough shape of a hybrid squarish-circle mob, the radius would be about 80 feet and the width of the wall moving towards you would be about 160 feet.

12 minutes of constant shooting, 30 headshots per minute, yields 360 dead zombies.  All the zombies shot would be on the leading edge of the mass, hopefully the shooter is just moving from left to right or right to left, typewriter style.  160 feet of surface area at 2 feet per zombie results in 80 zombies per wave, so I would get rid of 4-5 waves of zombies before the whole mass closed 300 yards.  The 5th wave would be 10 feet away after shooting for 12 minutes.

If I had a fire team consisting of 10 total shooters, all capable of head shots at 300 yards and closer at a rate of 1 shot per 2 seconds, I'd have 3600 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  At 80 zombies per wave, we'd end up chewing through 45 waves of zombies, buying us an extra 90 feet after 12 minutes of constant firing.  This also leaves our flanks and rear exposed to stray zeds who  are not part of the main herd.

Fifteen shooters dedicated to herd destruction shooting at that skill and rate would yield 4800 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  They would push through 4800 of the 5000 zombies in 12 minutes, 60 waves which would yield 120 feet of distance for the remaining 200 zombies.  If zed is moving 1mph or 300 yards in 12 minutes, then he will need 96 seconds to cross 40 yards.  Fifteen marksmen can fire 200 shots in 90 seconds with no problem.  That just leaves flank and rearguards.  Add 2 shooters to the left and right sides to sweep up strays that would otherwise distract the main 15 shooters, and 2 to the rear.  21 shooters with a 500 round loadout should be able to eliminate that herd.


Scenarios like this make me wish for a flight of F-4 Phantoms and a NAPALM  STRIKE! >:D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on October 29, 2013, 11:25:11 PM
Also... zombies!  Thousands of them!  


Let's say you were sitting on hundreds of thousands of rounds of .223, and had an AR set up exactly how you would like.

How many people would you need to wipe out 5000 zombies from rifle range as they marched towards you at 1 mile per hour?  At what distance would you start shooting at them?


If it's just me all by my lonesome self, I could place a headshot every shot from 300 yards and closer, firing one shot every 2 seconds, with a fixed 4x scope of some sort.

Zombies moving at 1mph will close 300 yards in about 1/5 of an hour, or 12 minutes.  A mass of zombies 5000 deep where each zombie consumes 4 square feet will have a surface area of 20,000 square feet.  If in the rough shape of a hybrid squarish-circle mob, the radius would be about 80 feet and the width of the wall moving towards you would be about 160 feet.

12 minutes of constant shooting, 30 headshots per minute, yields 360 dead zombies.  All the zombies shot would be on the leading edge of the mass, hopefully the shooter is just moving from left to right or right to left, typewriter style.  160 feet of surface area at 2 feet per zombie results in 80 zombies per wave, so I would get rid of 4-5 waves of zombies before the whole mass closed 300 yards.  The 5th wave would be 10 feet away after shooting for 12 minutes.

If I had a fire team consisting of 10 total shooters, all capable of head shots at 300 yards and closer at a rate of 1 shot per 2 seconds, I'd have 3600 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  At 80 zombies per wave, we'd end up chewing through 45 waves of zombies, buying us an extra 90 feet after 12 minutes of constant firing.  This also leaves our flanks and rear exposed to stray zeds who  are not part of the main herd.

Fifteen shooters dedicated to herd destruction shooting at that skill and rate would yield 4800 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  They would push through 4800 of the 5000 zombies in 12 minutes, 60 waves which would yield 120 feet of distance for the remaining 200 zombies.  If zed is moving 1mph or 300 yards in 12 minutes, then he will need 96 seconds to cross 40 yards.  Fifteen marksmen can fire 200 shots in 90 seconds with no problem.  That just leaves flank and rearguards.  Add 2 shooters to the left and right sides to sweep up strays that would otherwise distract the main 15 shooters, and 2 to the rear.  21 shooters with a 500 round loadout should be able to eliminate that herd.

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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on October 30, 2013, 12:27:21 AM
KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 30, 2013, 10:46:04 AM
That includes mag changes.  30 shots per minute, 30rd mags, one mag change per minute.

In a typical Appleseed we teach one well-aimed shot every 3-5 seconds, but when we went to Fort Bliss to teach an SDM group, we were told to alter the curriculum to a much faster rate.  We all confirmed it wasn't an unrealistic rate on our own, prior to going.  Pushing hard, I can get two shots off every respiratory cycle, and get that respiratory cycle to 2-3 seconds each.  It's fatiguing, and I don't think I could keep it up for 15 minutes... but in this particular application the marksmanship demands get easier and easier as the zeds come closer.  Within 100 yards, I could get 50-60 rounds off in a minute and still maintain 6" accuracy while moving from target to target.

Keep in mind, zed has no projectile weapons to cause you consternation.  You can get a classic well-stabilized shooting position and just go to town.

You also get overpenetration working for you... certainly not every shot, but maybe 1 in 10 or so will result in a double-strike that puts down a walker behind your target.

Because a mob of undead bearing down on your pos won't break your concentration...nope.....not at all..... 
Title: Re: Re: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 30, 2013, 10:59:09 AM
Because a mob of undead bearing down on your pos won't break your concentration...nope.....not at all..... 

2 years into the undeadocalypse, dealing with zed will be about as mentally onerous as washing dishes.  Just takes follow through.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on October 30, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
Because a mob of undead bearing down on your pos won't break your concentration...nope.....not at all..... 

Gotta have icewater  in your veins, not blood . . . . . .  =D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on October 30, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, call Harry Potter and tell him, Sirius Black has been hiding in the basement again.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: erictank on October 30, 2013, 07:09:14 PM
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Empty the magazine.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 04, 2013, 09:12:40 PM
Holy *expletive deleted*it holy *expletive deleted*it holy *expletive deleted*it. Didn't see that one coming!!!
The Ricktatorship is back!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: mtnbkr on November 04, 2013, 09:45:24 PM
No kidding!

Michonne actually smiled!

Chris
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: never_retreat on November 04, 2013, 09:58:39 PM
Couple of odd things about this episode.
They run into the 2 new survivors, they mention about being at a survival camp. No one asks about where it was, etc.
The go to the med school and don't everything there? WTF?
Where is Carol going? That did not look like a bad area. Just going to drive away?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on November 05, 2013, 04:25:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSWxQBq33hE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSWxQBq33hE)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 05, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
Holy *expletive deleted* holy *expletive deleted* holy *expletive deleted*. Didn't see that one coming!!!
The Ricktatorship is back!

A little GTFO action.  Hmm.  That's gonna make for an interesting discussion with that big black dude later on.  With as few survivors as there are in this world, he can't lie and say she's dead. 

I think black dude's gonna go hunting.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on November 05, 2013, 04:39:15 PM
A little GTFO action.  Hmm.  That's gonna make for an interesting discussion with that big black dude later on.  With as few survivors as there are in this world, he can't lie and say she's dead. 

I think black dude's gonna go hunting.

With the sparkin' that was going on, Daryl won't be happy, either.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on November 05, 2013, 05:09:58 PM
Couple of odd things about this episode.
They run into the 2 new survivors, they mention about being at a survival camp. No one asks about where it was, etc.
The go to the med school and don't everything there? WTF?
Where is Carol going? That did not look like a bad area. Just going to drive away?


I was wondering the same as you. Although, if that was the veterinary school, many of the things that did not end in "cin" might not be all that useful.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on November 05, 2013, 10:07:14 PM
For those who watch "Talking Dead", next week one of the guests will be Adam Savage.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on November 06, 2013, 08:18:58 AM
Also... zombies!  Thousands of them!  


Let's say you were sitting on hundreds of thousands of rounds of .223, and had an AR set up exactly how you would like.

How many people would you need to wipe out 5000 zombies from rifle range as they marched towards you at 1 mile per hour?  At what distance would you start shooting at them?


If it's just me all by my lonesome self, I could place a headshot every shot from 300 yards and closer, firing one shot every 2 seconds, with a fixed 4x scope of some sort.

Zombies moving at 1mph will close 300 yards in about 1/5 of an hour, or 12 minutes.  A mass of zombies 5000 deep where each zombie consumes 4 square feet will have a surface area of 20,000 square feet.  If in the rough shape of a hybrid squarish-circle mob, the radius would be about 80 feet and the width of the wall moving towards you would be about 160 feet.

12 minutes of constant shooting, 30 headshots per minute, yields 360 dead zombies.  All the zombies shot would be on the leading edge of the mass, hopefully the shooter is just moving from left to right or right to left, typewriter style.  160 feet of surface area at 2 feet per zombie results in 80 zombies per wave, so I would get rid of 4-5 waves of zombies before the whole mass closed 300 yards.  The 5th wave would be 10 feet away after shooting for 12 minutes.

If I had a fire team consisting of 10 total shooters, all capable of head shots at 300 yards and closer at a rate of 1 shot per 2 seconds, I'd have 3600 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  At 80 zombies per wave, we'd end up chewing through 45 waves of zombies, buying us an extra 90 feet after 12 minutes of constant firing.  This also leaves our flanks and rear exposed to stray zeds who  are not part of the main herd.

Fifteen shooters dedicated to herd destruction shooting at that skill and rate would yield 4800 dead zombies after 12 minutes.  They would push through 4800 of the 5000 zombies in 12 minutes, 60 waves which would yield 120 feet of distance for the remaining 200 zombies.  If zed is moving 1mph or 300 yards in 12 minutes, then he will need 96 seconds to cross 40 yards.  Fifteen marksmen can fire 200 shots in 90 seconds with no problem.  That just leaves flank and rearguards.  Add 2 shooters to the left and right sides to sweep up strays that would otherwise distract the main 15 shooters, and 2 to the rear.  21 shooters with a 500 round loadout should be able to eliminate that herd.

Read World War Z- (not the stupid movie). The final refined tactic to wiping out millions of zombies was very similar, though with a larger fire team, mandatory breaks for the shooters, and a large number of ammo handlers.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on November 06, 2013, 09:58:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSWxQBq33hE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSWxQBq33hE)

Y'all have to watch this video. It's frakking HILARIOUS!!!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 06, 2013, 09:59:34 AM
With the sparkin' that was going on, Daryl won't be happy, either.

Michone is going to make it aaalllll better. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2013, 04:22:52 PM
Maggie seems to be getting smart and is wearing some kind of armor.

Why did they go to selective fire on the zombies? Seriously?

Next week should be interesting.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on November 11, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
Maggie seems to be getting smart and is wearing some kind of armor.

Why did they go to selective fire on the zombies? Seriously?
Next week should be interesting.

That got me too.  One shot to the head guys!  We KNOW that works!  What a waste of ammo........
Only on TV (I hope...)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2013, 08:42:33 PM
Replay of the scene at Hershel's barn.

And the gov if back in town!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: never_retreat on November 11, 2013, 11:05:45 PM
Why the hell were all the guns sitting out side in a bin?
If the zeds were getting that bad at the fence you should have started shooting earlier. How hard is it stick the fence walkers in the head?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2013, 11:33:47 PM
If the zeds were getting that bad at the fence you should have started shooting earlier. How hard is it stick the fence walkers in the head?

Oh yeah, that was the other thing. Are they going outside the fence to cut down saplings to bring inside the fence to poorly fortify it? Use the bajillion items you have inside the fence that are stronger than 3" thick trees, morons!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2013, 07:02:17 AM
Anymore this show is seeming as if it's a documentary on how NOT to do things in a zombie apocalypse...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 12, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
Anymore this show is seeming as if it's a documentary on how NOT to do things in a zombie apocalypse...

Freaking Hollywood writers.

The  :facepalm: is that they all saw Woodbury and how it was zed free.

Of course, maybe there is an implication of complacency with Rick's breakdown and whatnot.  Now they're realizing that you don't get a moment, not one to break down, breathe or stop.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 12, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
So, Governor has a track record of using zed as a weapon.

How would YOU go about luring 5000 zombies to move towards the prison?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ned Hamford on November 12, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
Looking at that emergency buildup of Zeds at the fence, I couldn't stop thinking about how easy that would be to resolve if Carol and the hippy couple were there to help poke the sticks through the fence.  Rick is a terrible terrible 'leader.' 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2013, 10:01:16 AM
Anymore this show is seeming as if it's a documentary on how NOT to do things in a zombie apocalypse...

Maybe their IQs go up off camera. They somehow managed to not only find those two ginormous steel plates they are using for the main gate, but to also mount them and create a pulley system to open and close them. Of course this all happened between seasons.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
The sad thing is that I think any of us, on our worst days, could come up with a dozen different ways of bracing/fortifying the fence that would be easier AND more secure...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on November 12, 2013, 10:41:05 AM
The sad thing is that I think any of us, on our worst days, could come up with a dozen different ways of bracing/fortifying the fence that would be easier AND more secure...

Cars and trucks stacked up on the inside would work quite well.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on November 12, 2013, 10:42:54 AM
Freaking Hollywood writers.

The  :facepalm: is that they all saw Woodbury and how it was zed free.

Of course, maybe there is an implication of complacency with Rick's breakdown and whatnot.  Now they're realizing that you don't get a moment, not one to break down, breathe or stop.

The problem with Woodbury was the guy in charge was psychopathic.  And who said they didn't have Zed incursions?  Non were shown IIRC but maybe that's why they developed their sentry service ...  do our guys in the prison have that? -- 'Cause they oughtta have the right settup for it with those guard towers.



Looking at that emergency buildup of Zeds at the fence, I couldn't stop thinking about how easy that would be to resolve if Carol and the hippy couple were there to help poke the sticks through the fence.  Rick is a terrible terrible 'leader.'  

Rick is chronically exhausted.  Not physically (although perhaps that as well) I mean spiritually.  
They should have more of their minions on Zed Poker duty. Perhaps after the mystery superflu is extinguished, they'll do it.




But I have a feeling the "governor" is gonna complicate matters .. .... >:D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 12, 2013, 10:44:43 AM
What gets me is if there's a constant crush of zeds against the fence, and Maggie is sitting there for hours stabbing heads... where do all the dead bodies go?

Stab. Stab. Stab. Stab.  There's 4 corpses.  All the walkers should now be trampling on top of those corpses, and the next row should be six inches to a foot higher.  A mound of bodies would be there very shortly.  The walkers climb the bodies, but Maggie or other stabbers have nothing to climb to get to the elevated targets.

Granted, the walkers want to get to her, and not necessarily "inside."  So if she walks sideways the herd will follow her to another low spot.  But doing that for an hour is going to result in hundreds of bodies on the ground.  Eventually,  the whole fence is going to be lined by downed walkers.  Especially if the problem is as bad as it was presented.

Frankly, I think that was too many walkers at too close of a range for Rick and Carl to survive, even with M4's.  Must have been a couple hundred walkers that pushed down the fence.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on November 12, 2013, 10:46:17 AM
Cars and trucks stacked up on the inside would work quite well.

Maybe.   If the Zeds got past the fence they'd just walk over them.   Oh wait, that was "WORLD WAR Z"
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2013, 11:03:29 AM
Cars and trucks stacked up on the inside would work quite well.

That's what I've been screaming about for a long time... they're not using stuff in the environment to any purpose or effect. Electrical cable, rail road rails... TONS of stuff out there...

"where do all the dead bodies go?"

The Zombie Valkyries come down and fly them to Zombhalla...

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 12, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
Cars and trucks stacked up on the inside would work quite well.

*expletive deleted*ing buses man.  Things are surely everywhere. 

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on November 12, 2013, 11:40:02 AM


The Zombie Valkyries come down and fly them to Zombhalla...



AHHHHHHHH, AH! AHHHHHHHHH, AH!

I come from the land of the ice and snow. :)

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 12, 2013, 09:47:58 PM
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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 12, 2013, 09:57:59 PM
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No fracking shyt.

All the old relic forts, all over the country, are far superior to the prison or the fortified town.  The one I remember best is Fort Snelling in Minnesota.  Giant freakin' walls, easily sealed gates, wells inside the walls, lots of ground inside the fort for cultivation, primitive worksites already in place for blacksmithing and woodworking.

Frankly, I'd want an island though.  Either that, or a mountain valley at about 3000 feet elevation, completely surrounded by peaks at least 8000 feet high on all sides.  A depression in a mountain range, a la Galt's Gulch.  Zed doesn't explore, he just wanders.  The hard work of massive elevation climbs wouldn't appeal to zed on the subconscious level he operates at.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on November 12, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
AHHHHHHHH, AH! AHHHHHHHHH, AH!

I come from the land of the ice and snow. :)

With a side of Led Zeppelin! My favorite band in case you haven't figured it out!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 13, 2013, 09:12:39 AM
They're already in Georgia.  The Atlantic coast of which is dotted with islands.
But even staying with the prison.  Pre outbreak, they had the manpower to fortify it hardily. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Cliffh on November 18, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
Guess the rest of the cast wanted a week off.  Looks like the Gov is starting to rebuild his followers.

Other shows have depicted zeds walking under water - why'd the zed walk under water? to get to the other side.  Maybe in shallow water, deep water and they'd start floating instead of walking.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 18, 2013, 09:26:04 AM
Guess the rest of the cast wanted a week off.  Looks like the Gov is starting to rebuild his followers.

Other shows have depicted zeds walking under water - why'd the zed walk under water? to get to the other side.  Maybe in shallow water, deep water and they'd start floating instead of walking.

Agreed.  And these zeds aren't horribly mobile.  Remember back what, two seasons when they were at the farm and the zeds regularly got stuck in the riverbottoms?  Coastal marsh/swamp seems like it would probably be pretty hard on them.

And yeah...new followers.  Not good.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: HankB on November 18, 2013, 09:39:21 AM
. . . The one I remember best is Fort Snelling in Minnesota.  Giant freakin' walls, easily sealed gates, wells inside the walls, lots of ground inside the fort for cultivation, primitive worksites already in place for blacksmithing and woodworking . . .
And there were cannon ports in the protruding blockhouses so they could fire a charge of cannister parallel to the walls and "clear" whoever/whatever was trying to scale them.  >:D
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 18, 2013, 09:46:52 AM
Done right, the prison would be about as secure as it gets.  The framework is there, which would have protected them while they did the work. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on November 18, 2013, 10:55:18 AM
Guess the rest of the cast wanted a week off.  Looks like the Gov is starting to rebuild his followers.

Other shows have depicted zeds walking under water - why'd the zed walk under water? to get to the other side.  Maybe in shallow water, deep water and they'd start floating instead of walking.

I got the impression from the way the governor acted, as well as the discussion in the following talkshow (the actor portraying the governor was on) that the governor has had, or undergoing, an "epiphany," or redemption.
Maybe...just maybe.  I do see the seeds for it.  The enervated persona, his protective instincts toward the young girl.  

Maybe......
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 18, 2013, 01:13:18 PM
I got the impression from the way the governor acted, as well as the discussion in the following talkshow (the actor portraying the governor was on) that the governor has had, or undergoing, an "epiphany," or redemption.
Maybe...just maybe.  I do see the seeds for it.  The enervated persona, his protective instincts toward the young girl.  

Maybe......

There was hints otherwise. The chess game is a big one.  That was deliberate on the part of the writers.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on November 18, 2013, 07:58:24 PM
There was hints otherwise. The chess game is a big one.  That was deliberate on the part of the writers.
Everything on the show is "deliberate on the part of the writers."   
It could go either way though.
We'll see.  ;)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: RocketMan on November 24, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
And then there were the voices they heard on the radio just before Daryl jacked up the Charger on the walkers.  Obviously there is another group of survivors out there they will interact with at some point.  I wonder where they will take that part of the story?

"Zombie radio, 97.3 FM.  The hits keep shambling on!"
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on November 24, 2013, 12:04:52 PM
And then there were the voices they heard on the radio just before Daryl jacked up the Charger on the walkers.  Obviously there is another group of survivors out there they will interact with at some point.  I wonder where they will take that part of the story?

"Zombie radio, 97.3 FM.  The hits keep shambling on!"

That got me to thinking that they're missing shortwave radio. Of course it's something we would think about, being as SHTF oriented as we are at APS, that the writers might not necessarily be aware of. If it were me though, I would have hit an electronics store a few seasons ago and started monitoring the SW.

The only radio comms I remember them trying is Rick's handheld, which if it works off repeaters like other gov radios, AFAIK, wouldn't have actually worked to communicate (unless they were close to each other) with the guy he gave the other one to in season 1, because the repeater towers would have lost power.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: RocketMan on November 24, 2013, 12:31:45 PM
The only radio comms I remember them trying is Rick's handheld, which if it works off repeaters like other gov radios, AFAIK, wouldn't have actually worked to communicate (unless they were close to each other) with the guy he gave the other one to in season 1, because the repeater towers would have lost power.

Many of the public service and business band radios are also programmed with 'talk around' channels, aka simplex.  So it still makes sense that Rick gave a radio to Morgan.  However, the farther away he ranged from where he met Morgan and his kid, the less likely they would have made contact as simplex comms at VHF and UHF frequencies is essentially line of sight.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on November 24, 2013, 12:52:21 PM
Many of the public service and business band radios are also programmed with 'talk around' channels, aka simplex.  So it still makes sense that Rick gave a radio to Morgan.  However, the farther away he ranged from where he met Morgan and his kid, the less likely they would have made contact as simplex comms at VHF and UHF frequencies is essentially line of sight.

Yeah, that's what I meant about them being close to each other. I've never talked on one without using a repeater, but figured radio to radio, even on the high end handsets, it still wasn't gonna be much farther than GRMS radios. :)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: RocketMan on November 24, 2013, 01:59:05 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant about them being close to each other. I've never talked on one without using a repeater, but figured radio to radio, even on the high end handsets, it still wasn't gonna be much farther than GRMS radios. :)

Ah, gotcha.
Get a few APSer types on that show, at least one with some comms experience, and AMC would run out of story lines pretty quick.  'Teh stoopid' would come to a complete stop, survival rates would improve, walkers would be efficiently cleared out of the area, folks would get along better, bad people would get the walker treatment post haste...not much else to build a story around.  The show would last what, one more season maybe?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on November 24, 2013, 10:21:38 PM
There was hints otherwise. The chess game is a big one.  That was deliberate on the part of the writers.

Cue Jack Nicholson from "The Shining;"   "Heeeerrrrre's Johhhhhnnny!" ~~ The Governor!

I guess epiphanies are too much to hope for in Zombieville.   
Underwater zombie was a nice touch.   
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on November 24, 2013, 10:47:56 PM
I was certain David Morrissey was just setting us up on "Talking Dead" for the governor to return to his totalitarian ways.

A leopard can't change his spots. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: T.O.M. on November 25, 2013, 07:13:44 AM
First, I enjoy the show as entertainment, so I'm willing to suspend disbelief.  I ignore the disappearing bodies and such fornthe sake of entertainment.

That said, there's one thing about the whole zombie thing that bugs me.  Assuming a massive outbreak like the show, you suddenly have lots of dead bodies walking around.  And these bodies are rotting as they walk around.  So, how long until these walkers decompose to the point where they can't walk around anymore?  How long until the legs fall off, or the upper body structure simply gives out and the body just can't stand under its own weight?  I'm thinking that within a year (how much time has passed for these guys?), the sheer number of walkers will be reduced to the point where the risk is closer to that of street crime, or more possibly like a bear attack on a hiker,
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on November 25, 2013, 11:14:21 AM
Cue Jack Nicholson from "The Shining;"   "Heeeerrrrre's Johhhhhnnny!" ~~ The Governor!

I guess epiphanies are too much to hope for in Zombieville.   
Underwater zombie was a nice touch.   

Upgrade from aquarium to reflection pool...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on November 25, 2013, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: Chris
So, how long until these walkers decompose to the point where they can't walk around anymore?  How long until the legs fall off, or the upper body structure simply gives out and the body just can't stand under its own weight?

Let's not forget the fact that they're dead -- they shouldn't be moving around at all.  The walker who appeared on the other side of the drying laundry last night had his foot removed by the person who was grabbing it to keep it away from the child.  I should think any foot so limply attached would not likely support even ambling around looking for  ... brains..  But hey, it's TV.   [popcorn]
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 25, 2013, 06:22:46 PM
Cue Jack Nicholson from "The Shining;"   "Heeeerrrrre's Johhhhhnnny!" ~~ The Governor!

I guess epiphanies are too much to hope for in Zombieville.   
Underwater zombie was a nice touch.   

What's funny is he tried.  The mud pit on the way out I think boxed him into his crazy ass corner where he decided right then and there that the crazy way is the only way.

In the comic book, FWIW, Rick's group eventually loses the prison.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on December 01, 2013, 09:48:02 PM
Nooooooooo!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on December 01, 2013, 11:09:57 PM
Nooooooooo!

Poor poor Hershel.  Lost his head.  But the Governator got the point.   :angel:
And the group is all messed up, say nothing of the prison.


Too bad no one knew what a "tank trap" is. OTOH I'm not sure they'd have had time to employ one...... [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 02, 2013, 09:41:48 AM
Considering they didn't see a tank threat, that one I don't blame them.  I do rather like the idea of catch pits for zeds.  Good enough to slow down smaller groups and give some advanced warning of bigger groups. 
Considering in the last season, the governor drove that truck with the trailer full of zeds through the gate, they fortified the gate so that wouldn't happen again.  Well, now he showed up with a mother *expletive deleted*ing tank! lol
Definitely a "where now?" moment for sure. 
Any smart prepper would probably have a secondary fall back location scouted and selected. 
Sucks that Hershel went.  And did the baby really get eaten?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on December 02, 2013, 10:42:14 AM
was the governor planning on restocking his aquarium?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on December 02, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
I'm still wondering who hacked a couple of guys to death on the approach to that cabin and then hung signs from them?

Mischon?

That episode last night was INTENSE!

Amazing to see just how quickly the Gov. reverted to his old self.

And what the hell? Darryl couldn't make a shot on the Gov at that distance with a reflex sight on a .223?

I liked how he dealt with the tank, though.

And I think they can still reclaim the prison. A nick of paint here, a little spackle there, and good as new.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on December 02, 2013, 03:29:14 PM


And what the hell? Darryl couldn't make a shot on the Gov at that distance with a reflex sight on a .223?



Was it an Eotech? Maybe the battery went dead. :laugh:
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 02, 2013, 06:51:28 PM
Was it an Eotech? Maybe the battery went dead. :laugh:

At least it wasn't mounted backwards.


I was somewhat disappointed to see the Governor bite the dust.  The man was evil, but I had hoped to see him as a recurring character.  Now the writers need to come up with a new adversary.


Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 02, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
At least it wasn't mounted backwards.


I was somewhat disappointed to see the Governor bite the dust.  The man was evil, but I had hoped to see him as a recurring character.  Now the writers need to come up with a new adversary.




But the damn medic got the flat top AR AGAIN.   :facepalm:  Everything else had sights of some kind.  It's like they were doing it on purpose.


I still don't get the outside laundry basket armory.  Sorry but I think I'd be totin a rifle everywhere. Period.  They need some real effin advisors.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: HankB on December 02, 2013, 07:51:08 PM
. . . I still don't get the outside laundry basket armory . . .
Probably the single most puzzling item in the show.

Also noted that during the firefight, there was a LOT more shooting than hitting going on, even against slow-moving targets out in the open . . . probably because some of Rick's crew didn't know about using sights. (Or cover, for that matter.)

And . . . didn't Rick take a shot at the Gov. and wing him after he killed Herschel?

And how the heck did the Gov. sneak up on them with a bleeping TANK? And why didn't the sound of the tank clanking along draw it's own herd of walkers before they even got to the prison?

And I see Carl may have some kindred spirits among the girl children . . . maybe there's going to be more on this next season.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2013, 08:53:11 PM
Just watched it. So many bummer moments, like Herschel being killed, but one of the best episodes so far in the series, I think. I'm glad the governor bought it. Kinda wish Michone had sliced him up a little more and then let him turn into a walker, but his new squeeze recognizing what a whack job he was in the end and getting the final shot in worked too. I was once again disappointed by all the automatic weapons fire. My one beef with this episode is that it was like an A-Team episode, where a bajiliion shots are fired and nobody gets hit. They should turn in the M4s for lever guns, like Carl was using.

I say there is a 50% chance that somebody with bloodied up hands rescued Judith. It'll be way dark if she was eaten. It'll be interesting to see how, or if, they completely regroup. February is a long ways off!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 02, 2013, 09:14:42 PM
Just watched it. So many bummer moments, like Herschel being killed, but one of the best episodes so far in the series, I think. I'm glad the governor bought it. Kinda wish Michone had sliced him up a little more and then let him turn into a walker, but his new squeeze recognizing what a whack job he was in the end and getting the final shot in worked too. I was once again disappointed by all the automatic weapons fire. My one beef with this episode is that it was like an A-Team episode, where a bajiliion shots are fired and nobody gets hit. They should turn in the M4s for lever guns, like Carl was using.

I say there is a 50% chance that somebody with bloodied up hands rescued Judith. It'll be way dark if she was eaten. It'll be interesting to see how, or if, they completely regroup. February is a long ways off!

The medic, the black chick and Maggie?  The medic took one through the shoulder after all.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 02, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
They should turn in the M4s for lever guns, like Carl was using.

A bit nitpicky, but . . .

Was it my imagination or did Carl's rifle not have a rear sight?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 02, 2013, 10:24:55 PM

And what the hell? Darryl couldn't make a shot on the Gov at that distance with a reflex sight on a .223?


IIRC, one of them said he was 50 yards away! Jeebus, he would have a pretty good chance at making that with his freaking crossbow!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Cliffh on December 02, 2013, 10:41:55 PM
A bit nitpicky, but . . .

Was it my imagination or did Carl's rifle not have a rear sight?


It did not - at least on my TV. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: T.O.M. on December 02, 2013, 11:11:58 PM
Guys, Darryl couldn't make that shot, because Michonne had to kill the Governor.  Duh! :laugh:

As to Carl's lever gun, my Marlin has the rear sight mounted on the barrel, not the receiver.  Could that be it on his rifle?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 03, 2013, 12:04:00 AM
IIRC, one of them said he was 50 yards away! Jeebus, he would have a pretty good chance at making that with his freaking crossbow!

IMHO it's closer to a hundred from the inner perimeter to the outer too.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on December 03, 2013, 12:05:18 AM
Aghghgghghghghgh!  Hershel is dead!  Noooooo!

A bit nitpicky, but . . .

Was it my imagination or did Carl's rifle not have a rear sight?


Yup.  That Marlin is missing a rear sight.  Just checked to confirm, when he's using the cyclone fence for a support and talking about hitting him at 50 yards.  No receiver nor barrel mounted rear sight.  

I don't think the governor is dead, yet.  Was that Maggie, or his new squeeze, that shot (at) him?  I couldn't tell.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ned Hamford on December 03, 2013, 02:18:53 AM
I love how bullets don't go through things.  Flip over that aluminum picnic table for cover  :facepalm:

Very very A-Team. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on December 03, 2013, 08:31:40 AM
Gov. was killed by his main squeeze.

I'm betting than Judith was rescued by someone. Walkers generally don't carry off a body, especially not one that is strapped into a car seat. They feed in place, meaning that there would be a LOT more blood there than there was.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on December 03, 2013, 10:44:59 AM
I love how bullets don't go through things.  Flip over that aluminum picnic table for cover  :facepalm:

Very very A-Team.  

Rear end of that bus, too.   ;)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on December 03, 2013, 11:33:11 AM
one of the background prison crew had a bolt action deer rifle with a scope.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: BryanP on December 03, 2013, 12:31:45 PM
I just got caught up last night.  Yeah, the Governor gets capped by one of his female followers in the comic too.  And yeah, he was quite dead.

The gunplay was annoying.  Definite suspension of disbelief time.  I guess Andrea was the only one who knew how to shoot long distance with a scoped rifle?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on December 03, 2013, 12:56:35 PM
The tone reminded me of the chaos at the fall of the farm, so the high intensity was a nice touch, and a serious cliffhanger. I'll echo all the frustration at the combat stoopid.

I was hoping when Michonne paused over the Governor she would poke out his good eye...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on December 03, 2013, 01:30:27 PM
Too bad the Governor had to bite it, he was full of awesome sociopathicness.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
Did anyone else see Talking Dead?

Turns out that Carl's stunt double is a VERY attractive, petite young woman...

I bet Chandler Riggs takes some heat on the set for that...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: wuluf on December 08, 2013, 11:45:38 AM
If no one saved Judith, I'm betting we'll see a baby walker (crawler?)early next season...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 10, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
OMFGBBQ!


I'm now predicting a hook up between Michone and Rick.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 10, 2014, 11:25:54 AM
feeding Hersel's animatronic head pudding was a highlight from the Talking Dead last night
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on February 10, 2014, 11:28:26 AM
So if Carl's a man, will he ever grow up? I shouldn't still be rooting for the walkers when he goes outside...

Mmmm...pudding...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 10, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
He'll get there I think. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 10, 2014, 12:06:36 PM
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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on February 10, 2014, 12:09:53 PM
This is gonna be a good season.
Giant cans of pudding .... Ick.


I taped "Talking Dead" ..... not so sure I wanna watch it....not if it features Hershel's head.


Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 12:23:24 PM
So if Carl's a man, will he ever grow up? I shouldn't still be rooting for the walkers when he goes outside...

Mmmm...pudding...


He's what, 14? Think you would have handled the apocalypse any better at 14?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
I still want to know...

WHY THE HELL ISN'T EVERYONE CARRYING A KATANA???????
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on February 10, 2014, 12:30:24 PM
I still want to know...

WHY THE HELL ISN'T EVERYONE CARRYING A KATANA???????

Dunno.   Personnally I'd like a Ba'tleth.  Or whatever it is the Klingons call it.
A sword/Katana/B'atleth has the advantage that it only needs to be maintained so far as the edge and possible rust.  You don't need ammo.  The problem is that you need to be uncomfortably close to the Walkers and this can get dicey if they're A LOT of 'em.  Plus you need to be in tip top physical condition.
A gun keeps 'em at a distance (theoretically -- if you're a overly cocky 14 year old and don't use good care you might find yourself under a stack of 'em irregardless of armamment).
And, of course, eventually there will be no ammo.   Even if you reload.   
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on February 10, 2014, 12:33:11 PM

He's what, 14? Think you would have handled the apocalypse any better at 14?

I'd have been dead when my first bout of untreated bronchitis turned into pneumonia.

But in terms of the maturity not to consciously make stupid, dangerous decisions? Yes, I believe I would have handled it better.

(Edited to add qualifier.)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on February 10, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
I still want to know...

WHY THE HELL ISN'T EVERYONE CARRYING A KATANA???????

Or a suppressed 10/22!

errr wait, .22 ammo no longer exists....
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
I'd have been dead when my first bout of untreated bronchitis turned into pneumonia.

But in terms of the maturity not to consciously make stupid, dangerous decisions? Yes, I believe I would have handled it better.

(Edited to add qualifier.)


You sure about that?

Mighty damned reckless of you sucking in those pathogens!  :rofl:
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Dunno.   Personnally I'd like a Ba'tleth.  Or whatever it is the Klingons call it.
A sword/Katana/B'atleth has the advantage that it only needs to be maintained so far as the edge and possible rust.  You don't need ammo.  The problem is that you need to be uncomfortably close to the Walkers and this can get dicey if they're A LOT of 'em.  Plus you need to be in tip top physical condition.
A gun keeps 'em at a distance (theoretically -- if you're a overly cocky 14 year old and don't use good care you might find yourself under a stack of 'em irregardless of armamment).
And, of course, eventually there will be no ammo.   Even if you reload.   


Yes, you do need to be in better physical condition to wield a sword.

A sword is quiet, a HUGE consideration when talking about creatures drawn by sound.

But, in close in situation, a sword is going to be a lot more useful than a long gun.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on February 10, 2014, 01:30:55 PM

Yes, you do need to be in better physical condition to wield a sword.

A sword is quiet, a HUGE consideration when talking about creatures drawn by sound.

But, in close in situation, a sword is going to be a lot more useful than a long gun.

In a real close situation, you may not have time or space to wield it.

Surely when you're dealing with a zombie horde attracted by sound, you'd want silent weapons of some type.  Long pointy edged weapons seem only the most practical.  
Darryl's crossbow is nice in that it's silent and can be used at a distance ... but like guns it requires ammunition -- in this case, bolts.

One of the things I've noted (along with others) on this show is the use of automatic weapons when their use (atleast in FA mode) is dumb.  In the first half of this season's shows walkers were shown coming through a breach in the prison fence, sheriff & son were there using M4s set to full auto.
That was stupid.   When you need a HEAD SHOT to TKO a walker semi auto is more effective and far far less wsteful of ammo -- and I ought not have to point out they CANNOT AFFORD WASTE.
Some people like the Ruger 10/22 rifle with a silencer.  That'd be OK with a extended magazine.   I'm not sure how well this would translate to TV where silenced weapons are depicted with a "pffft." sound when real silenced weapons are never exactly THAT silent.
However even a silenced Ruger 1022 would be better than many guns and less magnetic in so far as walkers are concerned. [tinfoil] :lol:
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on February 10, 2014, 01:39:05 PM
There is a technique called half-swording, in which one grips the blade on the flat with the second hand, allowing a longer weapon to be used at closer quarters. It's also useful for fighting with a sword against an axe or polearm. A shorter weapon, e.g. a gladius, also offers a lot of versatility in close.

Of course, in Carl's last encounter, a SAK might have helped.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 01:43:54 PM
"There is a technique called half-swording, in which one grips the blade on the flat with the second hand, allowing a longer weapon to be used at closer quarters."

Bingo.

That said, I have also been a HUGE proponent of the run of the mill .22, such as a Ruger 10/22 with a bunch of Hot Lips magazines.

And yes, the full auto porn is just ludicrous.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on February 10, 2014, 01:56:55 PM
There is a technique called half-swording, in which one grips the blade on the flat with the second hand, allowing a longer weapon to be used at closer quarters. It's also useful for fighting with a sword against an axe or polearm. A shorter weapon, e.g. a gladius, also offers a lot of versatility in close.

Of course, in Carl's last encounter, a SAK might have helped.

If you're grabbing the blade on the flat wouldn't this risk cutting the hand?
Sorry, what I know of swordfighting I get from vaguely recalled Errol Flynn movies and I'm not sure how accurate they were. [tinfoil]
Is "half-swording" a blocking move?   I ask this as you say it's used against a polearm or axe.  I've yet to see walkers using either .... but I'm making an inference. 


In Carl's last encounter, a bit less angst against his father and a less haughty spirit would have been better than any weapon..... ;)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 02:05:04 PM
Half-swording really works with either a single-edged blade, like a katana or a cutlass, OR if you're wearing a mail glove.

With a double-edged weapon and an unprotected hand, it doesn't work so well...

But, curved bladed weapons are really what you want in this type of situation because when you slash with them, the curved blade makes for a naturally active cut. It's not a straight forward chop like a long sword.

It is both a defensive move AND an offensive move.

If I hit the zombie apocalypse, I know exactly where I'm heading for all of the katanas, GOOD katanas, I can eat...

A museum I used to work at has literally dozens of them that were surrendered after World War II. Japanese officer's swords, so the quality is quite high.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on February 10, 2014, 02:11:09 PM
The idea isn't so much blocking as binding, or making contact, and then making an immediate counter-attack. It's main use is directing the point against joints in plate armor, and historically the blade at that section isn't knife-sharp. On a traditional longsword the guard and pommel are also dangerous, making it a very versatile weapon. Getting a pommel strike to the face is very..disconcerting, even through a fencing mask.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
You know, I wonder how an old-style ice axe would work.... Not one of the modern ones with all of the serrations and the funky curves, but one like this...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_axe_Stubai_1970s.JPG

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 10, 2014, 03:03:35 PM
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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: tokugawa on February 10, 2014, 03:04:23 PM
What are you guys, a bunch of commie furriners?  =D everyone knows the traditional American close combat weapon is the E-Tool. Ya got yer edge, ya got yer flat, and ya can cover up the poop with it.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on February 10, 2014, 07:23:41 PM
Half-swording really works with either a single-edged blade, like a katana or a cutlass, OR if you're wearing a mail glove.

With a double-edged weapon and an unprotected hand, it doesn't work so well...

But, curved bladed weapons are really what you want in this type of situation because when you slash with them, the curved blade makes for a naturally active cut. It's not a straight forward chop like a long sword.

It is both a defensive move AND an offensive move.

If I hit the zombie apocalypse, I know exactly where I'm heading for all of the katanas, GOOD katanas, I can eat...

A museum I used to work at has literally dozens of them that were surrendered after World War II. Japanese officer's swords, so the quality is quite high.

A high school friend of mine's father fought in WW2 in the Pacific Theater.  Amongst a number of war trophies he had was a Katana.  This was @25-30 years after the war.   That weapon was one of the finest made edged weapons I ever saw.   You did NOT want to mess around with that thing. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on February 10, 2014, 07:29:37 PM
I'm with HT on the easy to find estwing warhammer.
Katanas and swords if +1 turn undead are cool and all, but being well fed as you are now, how many times can yiu effectively swing it before becoming fatigued? How many times on a limited energy diet if scrounged food.?
Chemical energy trumps all- until it runs out.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on February 10, 2014, 08:45:50 PM
If I hit the zombie apocalypse, I know exactly where I'm heading for all of the katanas, GOOD katanas, I can eat...

That's a definite qualifier. I'm pretty sure one of those gun show so-called katanas would snap after the first zombie skull encounter. A few years back I almost bought one of the Cold Steel katanas, but then thought it to be too much of a splurge for a whim purchase. Now kinda wish I had though, as the current price is outrageously expensive.

I wonder how well one of them there Assegai's would work?  I think it would hinge on being able to easily and quickly pull it back out of the various noggins you stuck it in.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 10, 2014, 10:47:58 PM
If you're hacking away at skulls and the like (not the marshmallow skulls on TWD), you really do need quality steel.

I always thought that a good stabbing weapon would be a piece of tempered drill rod, ground down to a long, tapering point, and epoxied into a long handle. Sort of like an icepick on steroids.

You'd have to choose carefully so that you had one that would penetrate well without bending or snapping.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 11, 2014, 02:17:29 PM
Hell I'd think a good improvised pole spear out of pretty much anything might be a good idea most of the time. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on February 11, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
Hell I'd think a good improvised pole spear out of pretty much anything might be a good idea most of the time. 


spontoons! 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 11, 2014, 03:21:01 PM
spontoons! 

Had to google it.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 11, 2014, 03:36:16 PM
seems like they would entangle in nets and be quite gullible

Carl could of taken off running, turned a corner, doubled back and hammered them
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 11, 2014, 03:41:00 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why he was trying to draw them away...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 11, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
http://Armor.com/pole214.html
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 11, 2014, 03:43:55 PM
he was protecting his dad who seems to have +4 sleep of gunshot healing powers
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on February 11, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
http://Armor.com/pole214.html

I don't know that I would want a short, broad tip. Rather a pole with the tip Mike mentioned, looking more like an ice pick. I would want something long and thin that I could tickle their brain with a little, but then pull out quickly and easily. The more surface you insert, it seems the more likely that you might get it stuck.

Just the tip.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on February 11, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
Had to google it.



What you didn't know about them? Even the mighty Col Jeff Cooper talked about spontoons.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 11, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
hows about a heavy spring loaded OTF stiletto polearm?

Kinda like Anton's captured bolt gun, in a manual cock, so theres no hoses or required blank ammo charge.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 11, 2014, 04:15:28 PM
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH3525&name=Roman+Weighted+Pilum
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on February 11, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
hows about a heavy spring loaded OTF stiletto polearm?

Kinda like Anton's captured bolt gun, in a manual cock, so theres no hoses or required blank ammo charge.


bangstick ftw.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 11, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
a bangstick is a slow reload

but they do come in 50 bmg

http://youtu.be/E64OsKZGLgQ

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 12, 2014, 11:06:44 AM
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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Dannyboy on February 12, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why he was trying to draw them away...

I figured it wasn't so much drawing them away, as it was to make sure that if the shots drew more, they wouldn't crowd around the house.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Cliffh on February 12, 2014, 09:05:36 PM
Seems like anything needing to be cocked or reloaded would be too slow if/when there's a pile of walkers coming.

How much brain damage is required to put one down?  Would a 3/8" rod do enough damage?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 12, 2014, 09:08:46 PM
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Needs a spike bayonet.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 13, 2014, 09:33:24 AM
I figured it wasn't so much drawing them away, as it was to make sure that if the shots drew more, they wouldn't crowd around the house.

Yeah I think he wanted to shoot them, or draw them away then sneak back to the house.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 17, 2014, 08:46:47 AM
OH *expletive deleted*it!  Wow.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 17, 2014, 10:24:16 AM
the bunnies, the bunnies
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 17, 2014, 10:50:35 AM
Yeah I think he wanted to shoot them, or draw them away then sneak back to the house.

Yeah, I guess so... But it really just looked as if he was taking his walkers for a walk...


Pretty good episode last night. Interesting to see all of the dynamics working out with the small groups.

VERY interesting that Rick, Carl, and Michonne weren't represented last night at all. I guess since they're safe and eating pudding, all is well.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on February 17, 2014, 10:56:39 AM
Yeah, I guess so... But it really just looked as if he was taking his walkers for a walk...


Pretty good episode last night. Interesting to see all of the dynamics working out with the small groups.

VERY interesting that Rick, Carl, and Michonne weren't represented last night at all. I guess since they're safe and eating pudding, all is well.



The pattern seems to be focusing on 2-3 "groups" per episode. More time for character development, I suppose. They're doing well with the reveals as we learn specific characters survived. All with the addition of a couple of new story arcs. A lot packed into two episodes.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 17, 2014, 11:26:16 AM
Yeah bite sized chunks.  I dug it, though.  The new people.....raiders?  Not cool.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on February 17, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
the bunnies, the bunnies

Yeah the bunnies -- they were talking about that in the follow on talking dead show.  Musta missed it.  What was it about the bunnies?   Huh?

 
Yeah bite sized chunks.  I dug it, though.  The new people.....raiders?  Not cool.

No, from what I heard, ex-military type ... I think.  Not bad guy; tough guy.  We'll see.




Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 17, 2014, 02:19:29 PM
Carol's angel, psycho girl Lizzie, some how caught 3 baby rabbits and silently stabbed them to death, leaving them on a log. She may have been the prison rat feeder and possibly executed Tyrese's friend Karen, which Carol covered up by burning the bodies.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 17, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
But Carol already confessed to killing the first two plague victims, for which Rick banished her.

But, Lizzie really seemed to be getting into that scene with Judith...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 17, 2014, 02:29:09 PM
Carol might be covering for Lizzie
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on February 17, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
Maybe.

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on February 17, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Lizzie_Samuels
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 17, 2014, 03:51:55 PM
Carol might be covering for Lizzie

Plausible.  That little bitch is crazy.   She also took a whack at smothering the baby, too.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 17, 2014, 09:13:46 PM
Some folks are taking the series a bit too seriously:

http://tv.yahoo.com/photos/walking-dead-tattoos-slideshow/
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Scout26 on February 20, 2014, 10:11:54 AM
I'm taking your banjo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR4lLJu_-wE
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 17, 2014, 01:10:01 AM
3/16 episode:   even by WD standards, that was depressing.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2014, 08:12:28 AM
That was decidedly a rough episode.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2014, 09:38:05 AM
No *expletive deleted*. Just when you thought the writers couldn't trainwreck your emotions any harder.

They have certainly stepped it up.  Here's a nugget of faith in humanity....psych, fooled ya!




Also, it illustrates the difference between network and cable shows anymore.  For all that is wrong with TWD, where it counts they step up.  Network shows have become too formulaic, too much of the same old *expletive deleted*.  With no real risks, no real emotional hook.  Just when a network show has you on the hook, it turns campy or the "tragic" turn is so *expletive deleted* predictable.
TWD? Dead baby.  Nope, live baby!
Hershel, the grandfather you never had?  Nope, headless Hershel!
Psycho little girl rounds the emotional corner?  Nope, dead sister!

I had my doubts to the format for the second half of the season.  No more.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2014, 10:14:59 AM
And the zombies on the roof never hit one of the many, many soft spots in their aimless wanderings until the living people showed up, and they never all gathered on one side of the roof - much less fell off - attracted by some outside noise . . .

Also notice how some of the children think zombies are cute and deserve names, and think it's OK to wave at them and attract them without killing them. :facepalm:

We'll see how this plot line - and the kids'  interaction with Carl - play out over the course of the season.


Now we know how it played out with the kids, Hank...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on March 17, 2014, 11:36:41 AM
That was decidedly a rough episode.

Very very rough indeed.  And Tyreese forgave Carol; I did see that coming though ... I guess you can't solve everything by gun when you need a group to survive. [tinfoil]


Watch the flowers, people .........










 :'(
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2014, 11:59:05 AM
Very very rough indeed.  And Tyreese forgave Carol; I did see that coming though ... I guess you can't solve everything by gun when you need a group to survive. [tinfoil]


Watch the flowers, people .........






 :'(


I almost felt like he was just damning her to live with the consequences of Lizzie's ending.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on March 17, 2014, 12:47:27 PM

I almost felt like he was just damning her to live with the consequences of Lizzie's ending.

Agree/Disagree. She was already damned by surviving in such a crappy world, while I think he came to understand the quandary that prompted her prior decision, as the best of a list of bad choices.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on March 17, 2014, 05:20:20 PM
Carol only did what needed to be doing, though I might have done the doing much earlier than she did.
I saw Lizzie as the embodiment of toxic moral relatism.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: 41magsnub on March 17, 2014, 08:39:13 PM
Dude.  Screw the post apocalyptic world.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2014, 11:07:38 PM
Holy crap, that was dark. Although I also thought what happened to Lizzie was "good" in the same way that it was "good" for how George took care of Lennie at the end, in "Of Mice and Men".
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Cliffh on March 18, 2014, 12:54:49 AM
It's not just the story line, they've got some damn good actors. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Sergeant Bob on March 18, 2014, 10:11:27 AM
Does anyone else think (and they were Talking Dead about it) the fire, from which came the "Extra Crispy" walkers, was possibly the house that Daryl and Beth set on fire?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: 41magsnub on March 18, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
Does anyone else think (and they were Talking Dead about it) the fire, from which came the "Extra Crispy" walkers, was possibly the house that Daryl and Beth set on fire?

I assumed that was the case.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on March 18, 2014, 10:35:48 AM
Does anyone else think (and they were Talking Dead about it) the fire, from which came the "Extra Crispy" walkers, was possibly the house that Daryl and Beth set on fire?
I assumed that was the case.

Yeah, me too.  There was some talk about walkers being attracted to light ....as they degenerate there sight becomes more primal.  Also apparently their hearing as well.   
Since it's all fantasy it is really somewhat immaerial to how bodies really degrade but atleast someone's thinking as they produce these things.   I just wish they'd get smarter about the use of full auto.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2014, 10:40:35 AM
Does anyone else think (and they were Talking Dead about it) the fire, from which came the "Extra Crispy" walkers, was possibly the house that Daryl and Beth set on fire?

Totally forgot about that, but it makes serious sense.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2014, 12:21:36 PM
Does anyone else think (and they were Talking Dead about it) the fire, from which came the "Extra Crispy" walkers, was possibly the house that Daryl and Beth set on fire?

Nice. I didn't think of that.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on March 19, 2014, 11:35:48 AM
How did Carol lose her station wagon?

Map a walking radius from the Prison and they all left at about the same time so they should be with a day or two walk from each other
Maggie and the bus crew broke down on the road
Gene/Glenn was at the Prison longest but got a ride out for a couple hours
Daryl and Beth are hoofing from the prison and should be as far away as Rick and Michone

See kids, this is Why we have an evac PLAN and rally points.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2014, 12:23:52 PM
How did Carol lose her station wagon?

Map a walking radius from the Prison and they all left at about the same time so they should be with a day or two walk from each other
Maggie and the bus crew broke down on the road
Gene/Glenn was at the Prison longest but got a ride out for a couple hours
Daryl and Beth are hoofing from the prison and should be as far away as Rick and Michone

See kids, this is Why we have an evac PLAN and rally points.

Also in their explorations, they should have a hardened fallback location or two. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2014, 01:01:42 PM
I thought Carol had actually gone back towards the prison just in time to see the assault, and fled with everyone else in the ensuing panic?

Or am I disremembering that?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on March 19, 2014, 01:13:51 PM
I thought Carol had actually gone back towards the prison just in time to see the assault, and fled with everyone else in the ensuing panic?

Or am I disremembering that?

I think I recall a comment by her to that effect.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on March 19, 2014, 01:15:22 PM
Also in their explorations, they should have a hardened fallback location or two. 

Which they could have ID'ed/prepped during supply runs.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on March 20, 2014, 01:45:13 PM
heck they could have had treestands every mile down the road

why farm when you can harvest huge cans of pudding?

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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
wow. That episode was a walk in the park comparatively speaking.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thinking that Terminus is going to be a.....

bad...

place to hang out.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on March 24, 2014, 12:29:35 PM
wow. That episode was a walk in the park comparatively speaking.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thinking that Terminus is going to be a.....

bad...

place to hang out.

Cannibals maybe?
The lady that greeted them there looked a little too well fed.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on March 24, 2014, 12:47:32 PM
Cannibals maybe?
The lady that greeted them there looked a little too well fed.


If they serve Chianti with their Fava beans then we'll know .... ;)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: JN01 on March 24, 2014, 06:32:37 PM
The Terminus lady was Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar from Star Trek)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2014, 07:47:01 PM
The Terminus lady was Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar from Star Trek)

I was just about to look her up on IMDB to see who she was. She looked familiar, yet unfamiliar.

Yeah, I'm thinkin' Terminus is not going to work out...

Are the guys Daryl is with the same crew that broke into the house where Rick was? I caught that part where they were hunting someone down, but couldn't remember the faces of the guys from that episode.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on March 24, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
The Terminus lady was Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar from Star Trek)

She sure has aged .... hard to believe that was 30 years ago.... :'(
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Triphammer on March 24, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
I snip
Are the guys Daryl is with the same crew that broke into the house where Rick was? I caught that part where they were hunting someone down, but couldn't remember the faces of the guys from that episode.

They're looking for a" walking pile of excrement" that choked one of theirs to death & left him to change(Rick). They tracked him to the railroad tracks and saw the "Terminus" sign. Assuming the unknown choker saw the same they are going, as well.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 25, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
The Terminus lady was Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar from Star Trek)

HOLY CRAP! You are kidding!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on March 25, 2014, 08:33:55 AM
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bring me Han Solo and the wookie
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 25, 2014, 09:29:39 AM
Well that teenaged fantasy just died a violent death.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: mtnbkr on March 25, 2014, 10:15:23 AM
Well that teenaged fantasy just died a violent death.

Hey, you're not as pretty as you were 30 years ago either! :D

Chris
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 25, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
I'm actually aging surprisingly well, believe it or not.

It's all the fat. It's preserved me like a confit.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: BryanP on March 25, 2014, 02:35:48 PM
Regarding 'Mary' (Denise Crosby), I saw this posted elsewhere today.  Remember the painting that Michonne found?  The one that shocked her when she uncovered it? 

http://i.imgur.com/YBIrEfh.jpg
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 25, 2014, 03:44:05 PM
Cannibals maybe?
The lady that greeted them there looked a little too well fed.

They're Scientologists. Relax and have a bite while they whip our their solar-powered e-meters.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 25, 2014, 10:31:35 PM
I wonder if "Mary" is behind all of the corpses with signs hung around their necks.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2014, 09:15:24 AM
Regarding 'Mary' (Denise Crosby), I saw this posted elsewhere today.  Remember the painting that Michonne found?  The one that shocked her when she uncovered it? 

http://i.imgur.com/YBIrEfh.jpg

Wat!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: BryanP on March 26, 2014, 10:18:57 AM
Wat!

I know!  The hair, the facial features (though younger) appear to be the same.  I doubt it's a coincidence.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ned Hamford on March 26, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
My bet is on cannibals too.  While we have only seen the perimeter, people seem quite sparse for a supposed sanctuary for all.  And meat... Yah, as awesome as a welcome burger sounds; Giant Cooker as part of our very first scene seems cannibal cult ominous. 

Anyone else think gang leader was the one that planted the rabbit?  Guy beaten to death certainly ties up that loose end.  Also, I don't know much about hunting and prep... but just storing half a rabbit in your bag o'stuff seems like the way to get terrible terrible diseases. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on March 26, 2014, 12:06:27 PM
My bet is on cannibals too.  While we have only seen the perimeter, people seem quite sparse for a supposed sanctuary for all.  And meat... Yah, as awesome as a welcome burger sounds; Giant Cooker as part of our very first scene seems cannibal cult ominous. 


Just a name like 'Terminus' is ominous enough sounding that I'd avoid it.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2014, 12:10:57 PM
Just a name like 'Terminus' is ominous enough sounding that I'd avoid it.

Seems like a play on the main terminal junction at the railyard.

Of course, the lightly defended place seems so eerie.  If there was a lot of activity there, seems you'd expect a lot of the undead at the gates.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 26, 2014, 01:24:31 PM
In the 1837s there was a railroad to the west started in Georgia, the end point of which was called Terminus.

That end point is now called Atlanta.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on March 26, 2014, 07:25:54 PM
That was one one of those "behind the scenes" cue cards that AMC shows during commercial breaks, IIRC.

No clue myself if this is good or bad .... I'm content to wait & see. 


 [popcorn]
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 27, 2014, 05:26:27 PM
That was one one of those "behind the scenes" cue cards that AMC shows during commercial breaks, IIRC.

No clue myself if this is good or bad .... I'm content to wait & see. 


 [popcorn]

Yes it was. But it was also something I remembered from my college history class on the civil war. :)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on March 27, 2014, 05:37:32 PM
Yes it was. But it was also something I remembered from my college history class on the civil war. :)

Did some of her rails become Sherman's Neckties?
Title: Re: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 30, 2014, 09:27:30 PM
HOLY *expletive deleted*it!

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Title: Re: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on March 30, 2014, 10:13:56 PM
HOLY *expletive deleted*!

Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2

Yeah. Carl thinks he's a tough hombre, but he's not gonna fill his dad's shoes for a while yet...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 31, 2014, 01:20:37 AM
Looks like the cannibalism question has been answered.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Triphammer on March 31, 2014, 01:46:14 AM
 Anyone else notice what looked like a pile of human skeletons/ rib cages?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 31, 2014, 01:48:35 AM
Anyone else notice what looked like a pile of human skeletons/ rib cages?

Yup.   >:D

Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: charby on March 31, 2014, 08:18:47 AM
Yup.   >:D



probably turn out to be something different.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 31, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
That was a well established rat trap!
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: T.O.M. on March 31, 2014, 09:35:28 AM
And Rick going all walker-like himself, but to save his son from becoming a prop in the remake of Deliverance, I can understand why...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 31, 2014, 09:52:19 AM
And Rick going all walker-like himself, but to save his son from becoming a prop in the remake of Deliverance, I can understand why...


One thing the writers have established is a new level of setting up the future.  Obviously, the gang was a means to an end. It shows just how far Rick will go to save his boy and him self.
*expletive deleted*it just got real.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2014, 11:23:03 AM
I thought it was very convenient how Rick and the others allowed themselves to be herded very neatly towards the trap...

No muss, no fuss, no killing some people who desperately need to be killed...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jocassee on March 31, 2014, 12:07:09 PM
I'm only loosely following here...did the black guy from the first episode ever show back up?
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: T.O.M. on March 31, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
I thought it was very convenient how Rick and the others allowed themselves to be herded very neatly towards the trap...

No muss, no fuss, no killing some people who desperately need to be killed...

Yeah, that bugged me as I watched it.  It was clear that they weren't being fired on, but fired around.  I know, easy for me to say when I'm sitting on the couch watching, but I kept thinking they needed to find cover, assess the situation, and not run blindly through the area, not knowing what was ahead...
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on March 31, 2014, 01:37:44 PM
every door they went thru had an A on it, including the rail car
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on March 31, 2014, 01:46:54 PM
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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Scout26 on March 31, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
I'm only loosely following here...did the black guy from the first episode ever show back up?

Watch season 3 and find out what happened to him.  ;)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TommyGunn on March 31, 2014, 03:04:49 PM
I thought it was very convenient how Rick and the others allowed themselves to be herded very neatly towards the trap...

No muss, no fuss, no killing some people who desperately need to be killed...

Yea...


OTOH I liked Rick's closing comment.  "They're ****ing with the wrong people."
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: brimic on March 31, 2014, 04:58:45 PM
Nothing good ever happens after you're herded onto a rail car. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: T.O.M. on March 31, 2014, 05:56:43 PM
Nothing good ever happens after you're herded onto a rail car. :facepalm:

...especially after being disarmed.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 31, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Nothing good ever happens after you're herded onto a rail car. :facepalm:

Sig-worthy material right there.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 01, 2014, 08:39:10 AM
I'm only loosely following here...did the black guy from the first episode ever show back up?

Two seasons ago.  He's a nut case now.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2014, 09:37:41 AM
I suspect we may see him again.

That is if Rick and company don't end up as Easter Dinner.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: geronimotwo on April 01, 2014, 10:53:35 AM
Yeah, that bugged me as I watched it.  It was clear that they weren't being fired on, but fired around.  I know, easy for me to say when I'm sitting on the couch watching, but I kept thinking they needed to find cover, assess the situation, and not run blindly through the area, not knowing what was ahead...

agreed, and the waste of ammo on the trap keepers part was ridiculous.  especially when they had disarmed them at one point already.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ned Hamford on April 01, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
I wonder if the introduction strategy is all a part of the outsider weeding process.  Eat some ribs; hey, you're a cannibal too now.  And based on worthyness and willingness to join, either joining the group or the cook pot.  The marked path and the train car seem part of cult brainwashing to me.   [popcorn]
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on April 01, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
powdered milk fed sucking long pig
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
I could have sworn that, as they were running from the "herding" gunfire, that I heard something like "Help us! Help us!" as they ran by some either train cars or Conex boxes before they were stopped.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: 41magsnub on April 01, 2014, 02:31:35 PM
I heard that too.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Yep, there were people in those box containers. I'm sure we'll meet some of them later. Maybe even Beth.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ned Hamford on April 01, 2014, 04:23:42 PM
powdered milk fed sucking long pig

I don't think its a good sign reading that made my mouth water. 
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on April 01, 2014, 09:55:47 PM
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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 01, 2014, 11:49:23 PM
I could have sworn that, as they were running from the "herding" gunfire, that I heard something like "Help us! Help us!" as they ran by some either train cars or Conex boxes before they were stopped.


I'm 100% sure and I figured it was glen and Maggie's group
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: red headed stranger on April 03, 2014, 04:53:28 AM
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Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 03, 2014, 09:22:40 AM
Wait. Powdered milk....Judith?  Money says they have the baby.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on April 03, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
dingos ate my baby
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 03, 2014, 10:25:48 AM
dingos ate my baby

If they ate the baby, that would reach a new level of horrific by the writers.....
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2014, 10:51:18 AM
If they ate the baby, that would reach a new level of horrific by the writers.....

They would need to then dedicate an entire episode to just Rick, running through the compound and hacking every cannibal into stew-sized bits.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: SADShooter on April 03, 2014, 11:22:03 AM
If they ate the baby, that would reach a new level of horrific by the writers.....

Would spur me to cancel my cable.
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 03, 2014, 03:07:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIGZRCXRxak
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: Harold Tuttle on April 03, 2014, 03:13:52 PM
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-q07oz9LrzeA%2FUBhmcQwC6BI%2FAAAAAAAABGY%2F-7Y6bYqR86E%2Fs640%2Ffunny-call-me-maybe-dingo-baby.jpg&hash=f8128bb30786f8d4a7c8bd20e6918d423f92db55)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: K Frame on April 03, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: bedlamite on April 03, 2014, 10:08:20 PM
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FjgtV2fX.jpg&hash=4f5cf0e4a628b108d5561df10f986f6b281906e0)
Title: Re: Walking dead season 4
Post by: TechMan on September 28, 2014, 05:27:12 PM
Walking Dead Season 4 is now on Netflix streaming.