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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: brimic on December 12, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
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What's it for? Is it just for easier concealability?
Is there any point to using a FBI cant holster to smaller pistols?
Am I missing something?
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Better concealibility for larger handguns.
Dunno about smaller handguns, I just favor the cant for ccw of medium to large pistols.
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For carrying behind the hip, maybe ???
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I prefer thieves' cant to
bureaucratic thug FBI cant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thieves'_cant
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FBI cant do anything right :P
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I find it screws up most rigid holsters something fierce that have any kind of retention beyond a thumb strap (like a form-fitting trigger guard) and makes draw insanely difficult. I guess it works okay on soft leather holsters that are more forgiving, but well molded kydex, don’t bother, even if the mounting options allow it. It just creates an angular pull against the draw direction of the holster without some serious practice to ingrain the muscle memory/reflexes to draw at the angle matching the cant.
You’re also adding just a few more degrees of rotation or fractional seconds to get the muzzle on target anyway.
I guess a canted holster makes sense if it gets it back to vertical though on your particular pants/belt/body shape.
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I think this:
Better concealibility for larger handguns.
Dunno about smaller handguns, I just favor the cant for ccw of medium to large pistols.
and this:For carrying behind the hip, maybe ???
in addition to putting the gun in a closer-to-vertical position while seated, especially in a vehicle.
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I like a slight forward slant on my OWB holsters. I find it aligns the grip with my hand more naturally. I'd say the cant is twenty degrees or less, not fully horizontal. I'm RH and wear it about 4-4:30.
My first reaction when reading this thread title was, "FBI can't . . . do what?"
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I find it screws up most rigid holsters something fierce that have any kind of retention beyond a thumb strap (like a form-fitting trigger guard) and makes draw insanely difficult. I guess it works okay on soft leather holsters that are more forgiving, but well molded kydex, don’t bother, even if the mounting options allow it. It just creates an angular pull against the draw direction of the holster without some serious practice to ingrain the muscle memory/reflexes to draw at the angle matching the cant.
You’re also adding just a few more degrees of rotation or fractional seconds to get the muzzle on target anyway.
I guess a canted holster makes sense if it gets it back to vertical though on your particular pants/belt/body shape.
This is assuming that one only draws using their hands.
Use your hips to draw the gun as well.
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I'm guessing that consistency in training was part of the idea as well. Personally, I like the angle.
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I find it screws up most rigid holsters something fierce that have any kind of retention beyond a thumb strap (like a form-fitting trigger guard) and makes draw insanely difficult. I guess it works okay on soft leather holsters that are more forgiving, but well molded kydex, don’t bother, even if the mounting options allow it.
I guess that explains why just about every strong-side hip holster is made that way. ???
Works for me, so far.
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FBI can't is 15deg. Works for me.
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I carry a small pistol, and I tried straight vertical, but it's much harder to draw than with a cant. YMMV, of course.
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YMMV, of course.
Probably the most important thing uttered in this thread.
Some carry methods work beautifully for some people, but terribly for others. I came across a forum thread in which someone insisted that a Govt. Model simply couldn't be worn comfortably. No matter how well-constructed the carry gear, it would always be pulling one's pants down. :rofl:
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I carry a small pistol, and I tried straight vertical, but it's much harder to draw than with a cant. YMMV, of course.
As Fistful said about YMMV....
It seems easier or more natural for me to draw and present from the hip with a vertical holster. I recently picked up a DeSantis scabbard holster for an M&P Shield, it carries fantastically, but the draw feels a bit unnatural for me while standing- I found the angle to be great while sitting though. It might be becuase my right wrist isn't as flexible as normal due to an old injury. I don't know...
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I use the uncanted slots with the holster I bought with my new plastic gun, but (as always) in crossdraw, 9:30ish o'clock. This positioned it pretty well. I tried it canted on my strong side and found it was ridiculous. with far too much arm-bending involved, so I moved it to the crossdraw position.
It's a molded holster and I'm pretty sure I don't like it. I'm going to figure out how to soften it up, especially around the trigger guard area. It looks perfeshunil and all taktikul, but, um, it's, um, concealed anyhow. Duh.
And I live in fear that the retention straps are going to grab the DA trigger on re-holstering. Probably irrational, but then again, most of my fears are irrational.
I really liked carrying my 1911 at the aforesaid 9:30ish IWB sans any holster at all, and everybody thought I was crazy for doing that.
But my mother had me tested.
Terry, 230RN
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Double post.
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And I live in fear that the retention straps are going to grab the DA trigger on re-holstering. Probably irrational, but then again, most of my fears are irrational.
I have that fear as well.
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FBI can't
FBI cant
FBI Kant
A cant (or cryptolect) is the jargon or argot of a group, often implying its use to exclude or mislead people outside the group. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cant_%28language%29)
Kant (German: [ɪˈmaːnu̯eːl kant]; 22 April 1724 – 12 February 1804) was a German philosopher who is widely considered to be a central figure of modern philosophy. He argued that human concepts and categories structure our view of the world and its laws, and that reason is the source of morality. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant)
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Actually, I'd prefer a reverse cant on that particular holster I referred to. Sort of an IBF cant. Nyuck-nyuck-nyuck.
I tried some of the boxful of holsters I have, but none worked. I also carried it bare-nekkid in my pants front pocket, but it printed badly. (A small revolver in that pocket doesn't print as badly, because the cylinder bulge sort of makes it look like I've just got a pocketful of stuff.)
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...the cylinder bulge sort of makes it look like I've just got a pocketful of junk.
TMI
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Oh, I think I just got it. I shoulda used "stuff" instead of "junk."
I shall edit accordingly.
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=) Just joshin' ya, man.
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Oh, I think I just got it. I shoulda used "stuff" instead of "junk."
I shall edit accordingly.
Or just take a picture of it and send to BSL so she can add it to her collection =D
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Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. My mind just doesn't always work "that way."
Moving along, now, as I said, the cylinder protrudes from my pocket, making it look all bulgey, but it doesn't look like I'm packing a lot of firepower like the nine does.
Terry
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Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. My mind just doesn't always work "that way."
Moving along, now, as I said, the cylinder protrudes from my pocket, making it look all bulgey, but it doesn't look like I'm packing a lot of firepower like the nine does.
Terry
It's definitely not good to have your cylinder protruding :O
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Yikes! And I edited that to avoid saying, "...like I had a rod in my pants... (or pocket)!"
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My first carry was a full size 1911 in a Ross Leather Model 18 (http://www.rossleather.com/m18s-open-bottom-suede-lined-snap-on-belt-loop-holster-p-54.html) IWB. The belt slide is secured to the holster with a Chicago screw (it can be mounted to either side, making the holster ambidextrous) which allows for user adjustable carry angle. I fiddled with that angle, going for comfort of carry and optimum grip presentation for the draw. When I later switched to a compact 1911 in a Milt Sparks Summer Special 2 (http://www.miltsparks.com/SS-2.htm) I was surprised, and a bit pleased, to find that the angle I settled on in the adjustable rake holster is the same as that of the SS2 , which is fixed at the factory.
With the gun riding deep in the holster, I found that the more nearly vertical I set the rake, the less grip is exposed above the belt. I concluded my draw is too compromised before I reach the vertical. This is, of course, an IWB issue not applying to outside the belt holsters.
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Is there an FBI recommendation for deep-concealment ankle rigs?
I found that an ankle holster, which usually is used on the left ankle, butt facing rearwards, is better for me on the inside right ankle, butt facing forward. (I'm right-handed.)
I experimented with that a couple of years ago when I had to deep conceal for a couple of affairs (tie, no jacket) in the middle of summer and that's the way it seemed to work best, even with a relatively heavy Detective Special.
The presentation to my hand was better, even though getting to the gun in the first place was a bit of a "project."
Terry
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I just thought I'd point out that Tommy Theis (http://theisholsters.com/holsters.php) makes straight drop holsters of the hide & kydex variety, if anyone is looking for such a thing.
By way of warning I had a couple of problems with my (canted) Theis holster. I had to adjust the retention with a hair dryer, and cut away some of the kydex where it got all up on my Novak-style rear sights and 1911 grip panels. The latter didn't really interfere with the fit of the gun, but I just didn't think the kydex should have been touching those two parts.
So I don't really recommend him, unless you are looking for something less expensive, or can't find the straight drop elsewhere.
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Forgot to post this:
"Cross draw???
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6q8q5.jpg&hash=e841bf99fe3c8e1c1cbd221a7a68b639419879d9)