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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Mannlicher on November 24, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
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We just don't yet know what it is. Bizarre, all this posturing and waiting. And waiting...........
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If they were indicting him, they'd have announced it. Delaying the announcement gives local police time to prepare for the chaos
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If they were indicting him, they'd have announced it. Delaying the announcement gives local police time to prepare for the chaos
Although I was unaware until just now that they can indict him all the way down to second degree involuntary manslaughter. I wouldn't be surprised if, even without strong evidence, they indicted him for that, figuring he'll end up with some kind of probation, as a way to appease the rioters and/or the hand wringing population at large.
Not that anything short of murder in the first would appease them.
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Situational Awareness of A *expletive deleted*ing Rock...they are planning a Ferguson "response" in our state capitol, at the state house.
This is our governor. She lives across the yard from the state house. It's definitely in their best interest not to do anything but a nice legal actual protest.
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Not that anything short of murder in the first would appease them.
Actually they want to lynch Wilson and gang-rape and cut the throats of his family, don't believe for a minute they would be satisfied by it going through the "justice" system.
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Situational Awareness of A *expletive deleted*ing Rock...they are planning a Ferguson "response" in our state capitol, at the state house.
This is our governor. She lives across the yard from the state house. It's definitely in their best interest not to do anything but a nice legal actual protest.
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Actually they want to lynch Wilson and gang-rape and cut the throats of his family, don't believe for a minute they would be satisfied by it going through the "justice" system.
your mayor seems very happy :)
I figured this whole dragging things out was to make time and hope the rabble gets bored and wandered off.
you have to feel bad for Wilson, who probably just wants it over with already, even if they try to screw him over to appease the wolfs. At least then he'll know what to get ready for.
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your mayor seems very happy Smiley
Well it's kinda hard to be sad when firing a belt fed, except when you are in contact and you are about to reach the end of the belt. Then it's sad.
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Well it's kinda hard to be sad when firing a belt fed, except when you are in contact and you are about to reach the end of the belt. Then it's sad.
this is true.
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Delayed verdict smacks of a no-bill. Gotta give the police time to get into position.
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Why in the world would they announce the verdict at night? It seems that it would be better to wait until the morning when all of the protesters will be tired and hungry, the cops will be able to see what's going on, etc...
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Why in the world would they announce the verdict at night? It seems that it would be better to wait until the morning when all of the protesters will be tired and hungry, the cops will be able to see what's going on, etc...
That's a really good point. An early morning announcement would seem to be a safer bet, but then the people there for looting would probably use the delay as an excuse to riot tonight anyway. Kind of a no-win situation for civilization at-large.
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Why in the world would they announce the verdict at night? It seems that it would be better to wait until the morning when all of the protesters will be tired and hungry, the cops will be able to see what's going on, etc...
Pretty much the reason would be that later in the night is when the good people are at home and off the roads and such, and out of the way.
Morning at first light you get *expletive deleted*it started right as the school/workday starts rolling, and then it's a big mess.
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Pretty much the reason would be that later in the night is when the good people are at home and off the roads and such, and out of the way.
What I was going to say. 8pm is late enough for most people to be home, it's a Monday so not too many people out eating/being entertained. It's also early enough that most should catch the news today, but perhaps not so early that most can get a good head full of 'steaming mad' going, organized protests/riots. The real hotheads can riot overnight and be off the streets by morning.
It's also enough time for the Mayor/advisers to put together a speech and have it vetted.
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Why in the world would they announce the verdict at night? It seems that it would be better to wait until the morning when all of the protesters will be tired and hungry, the cops will be able to see what's going on, etc...
Hows the weather in Saint Louie? Up here, 5 hrs north-east, it's showed over ice, and toadally crappy. Not that they would have planned this, but such weather would limit mobility. And then you can just turn out the street lights.
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That's a really good point. An early morning announcement would seem to be a safer bet, but then the people there for looting would probably use the delay as an excuse to riot tonight anyway. Kind of a no-win situation for civilization at-large.
The same thought occurred to me. Even the dumbest social justice warrior would suspect that the delay means no indictment. Are they "protesting" yet?
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Bits I've seen on the FOX looks like the crowds are pretty on edge and ready to cut loose. Still my opinion that there will be violence either way. Maybe a little less so if they hand down an indictment.
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Pretty much the reason would be that later in the night is when the good people are at home and off the roads and such, and out of the way.
Morning at first light you get *expletive deleted* it started right as the school/workday starts rolling, and then it's a big mess.
Ah, that makes complete sense. I guess this is why I'm not in charge!
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There will be either riots of anger or celebration, IMO. I think the bit about the police getting themselves ready are due to the expectation of riots regardless of the outcome, and agree why 8pm local would be a good time to announce.
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Well it's 9pm EST and USA Today reports a no bill.
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here we go
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Several MSM outlets are reporting no indictment, but no official word yet. I am watching the NBC evening news, and they have not yet broken into the coverage with the live annoucement.
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The live announcement is happening now.
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I'm watching it live now. Prosecutor hasn't said yet.
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I'm watching it live now. Prosecutor hasn't said yet.
Yep, he's still going on about the investigation
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Live announcement still going on, but NBC just said multiple sources close to the family say that the family was told there will be no indictment.
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Live announcement still going on, but NBC just said multiple sources close to the family say that the family was told there will be no indictment.
I'm guessing the poor guy is trying to convince the masses to stop and pay attention the the facts than the racial BS.
I'm guessing it will be futile.
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No bill.
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no indictment
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No true bill on all 5 counts.
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Damnit dogmush!
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notice the live feed of outside.
people are getting fussy.
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Been watching the crowd. Kinda feisty.
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Let the
riots protests commence.
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Yeah, there's already rumors of broken glass down the road on Twitter.
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Soon as the news cameras go off the crowds the real fun will start...
Not that they have to worry, the media would not play much footage of the "peaceful protestors" doing their thing.
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Someone should have shown Brown this video (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB8Q3ywwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Duj0mtxXEGE8&ei=--tzVJqiCcXxoAS54YHADQ&usg=AFQjCNEEYf5AfJVFs3b6Iz9JOvCrvd0C9g&bvm=bv.80185997,d.cGU).
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Good to see the Grand Jury return a no true bill. Sad to see the hat those wanting a 1st degree murder indictment are not convinced about the decision, or more likely just don't care.
Wonder what holder and Obama will do now, to thwart the rule of law.
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Wonder what holder and Obama will do now, to thwart the rule of law.
Skulk about and make snide comments about how the police grand jury acted stupidly. :facepalm:
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Now let's watch Obama stoke the fires.
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Live on Fox news already hearing shots fired. Gonna be a busy night in Furgestan
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Live on Fox news already hearing shots fired. Gonna be a busy night in Furgestan
Yep. If you were watching the GJ announcement, some of the cameras were on the crowds. A bunch of them sprinted off in the early bird rioting rush.
I'm headed on to bed. Tomorrow should be an interesting day...
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camera crew just got chased down the streets. watching them breaking stuff now.
Also understand things are getting feisty in NYC
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turn on your TVs
obama is getting ready to throw oil on this fire.
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oh yeah. I fully expect that'll calm things down. Not.
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oh yeah. I fully expect that'll calm things down. Not.
it's not supposed to calm things down. do you really think he doesn't want them to riot? BS.
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Clouds of tear gas/smoke already in the air.
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the violence "will make for good television."
that's our president. :facepalm:
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Just saw the Brown family tile crawler state that sometimes there are "other types of justice" and that was what Wilson would get. (Paraphrased).
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I heard some news anchor, I think it was NBC's Brian Williams, say that the grand jury failed to indict Wilson. Interesting choice of words. No, they're not trying to incite riots ;/
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Y'all see this yet?
http://fox8.com/2014/11/23/12-year-old-boy-shot-by-police-officer-outside-rec-center-has-died/
Paraphrased, Police get called to rec center for a "man with gun" complaint. Cops show up, and order the kid (that caused the call, from waving a gun shaped object about) to put his hands up. Kid reaches for (pellet) gun in his waistband instead, and the cops go with the only logical response. Dumb kid gets dead, and his parents hire a tilecrawler, and we're off to the races. Pun intended.
Great timing, this can't end well.
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It's a pretty common way to describe it. And considering the old saw about being able to indict a ham sandwich it's telling that they failed.
Kudos to that 1/2 dozen folks who came forward and told the truth about what happened. And at some personal,risk. Without them the outcome would be very different
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Times Square has been shut down by what appears to be a so far peaceful protest. On the other hand, Oakland, CA, looks to be getting trashed. Looting selfies from Ferguson are popping up on the web like flies on *expletive deleted*it.
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Times Square has been shut down by what appears to be a so far peaceful protest. On the other hand, Oakland, CA, looks to be getting trashed. Looting selfies from Ferguson are popping up on the web like flies on *expletive deleted* it.
It's Oakland. That shithole was trashed a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. This is just Tuesday Monday for them.... :rofl:
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I am in San Jose on business and I was going to drive to SanFran in the morning and look at the Golden Gate Bridge. I am very white and dress like it, and unarmed. Should I be concerned about self preservation or should I be ok at 6-9am?
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Well, from the sounds of it, traffic in that area is kind of fouled up for the moment.
I'd check the news before taking off.
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I am in San Jose on business and I was going to drive to SanFran in the morning and look at the Golden Gate Bridge. I am very white and dress like it, and unarmed. Should I be concerned about self preservation or should I be ok at 6-9am?
The drive to S.F. up the peninsula should be uneventful. Stay out of the nastier parts of the city (Tenderloin, Bayview/Hunter's Point) and you'll be OK.
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At least one building on fire. Too many gunshots to fight the fire so it will burn itself out.
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It's a pretty common way to describe it. And considering the old saw about being able to indict a ham sandwich it's telling that they failed.
On top of that, they didn't need a unanimous decision to return an indictment -- they only needed nine votes. And this wasn't to determine guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, this was only to find probable cause (enough evidence to show that there should even be a trial).
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At this time, I would like to thank the folks who came into town to teach people how to protest. That worked out great.
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I think anything short of a murder one or equivalent would have had the same results.
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Y'all see this yet?
http://fox8.com/2014/11/23/12-year-old-boy-shot-by-police-officer-outside-rec-center-has-died/
Paraphrased, Police get called to rec center for a "man with gun" complaint. Cops show up, and order the kid (that caused the call, from waving a gun shaped object about) to put his hands up. Kid reaches for (pellet) gun in his waistband instead, and the cops go with the only logical response. Dumb kid gets dead, and his parents hire a tilecrawler, and we're off to the races. Pun intended.
Great timing, this can't end well.
Apparently that whole incident was captured by a CCTV camera, so perhaps what happened in Ferguson wont happen here.
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I think anything short of a murder one or equivalent would have had the same results.
Even that wouldn't matter, they just would be looting and burning in celebration instead of protest -- and it would look the same. That's what they do.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rabble
(Quote edited for formatting)
1 rab·ble noun \ˈra-bəl\
a large group of loud people who could become violent
the rabble : ordinary or common people who do not have a lot of money, power, or social status
Full Definition of RABBLE
1 a disorganized or confused collection of things
2 a disorganized or disorderly crowd of people; mob
3 the lowest class of people
Examples of RABBLE
<the crown prince was reminded that even the rabble of the realm deserved his attention and compassion>
Origin of RABBLE
Middle English rabel pack of animals
First Known Use: 14th century
Related to RABBLE
Synonyms: proletariat, rabblement, ragtag and bobtail, riffraff, rout, scum, tag, rag, and bobtail (or tagrag and bobtail), trash, unwashed
Antonyms: A-list, aristocracy, elite, gentry, quality, society, upper class, upper crust
That does it for me.
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Got to think that even if the criminal portion of this BS is over there is going to be a civil case brought against the officer, the Ferguson PD, the Ferguson City, the State and anyone else the family thinks they can get money from.
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I expect the feds to go after Wilson on some kind of civil rights charge.
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Nothing says "We're gonna protest being treated like trashy ghetto stereotypes" quite so effectvely as destroying your own neighborhood like trashy ghetto stereotypes. Well done, Ferguson protesters. Well done. A bunch of back-alley thugs living down to expectations. Enjoy the results. You earned it.
Brad
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Nothing says "We're gonna protest being treated like trashy ghetto stereotypes" quite so effectvely as destroying your own neighborhood like trashy ghetto stereotypes. Well done, Ferguson protesters. Well done. A bunch of back-alley thugs living down to expectations. Enjoy the results. You earned it.
Yup. Best thing to do would be to set up a perimeter, then enforce it. For at least a few weeks. Both ways.
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It's a pretty common way to describe it. And considering the old saw about being able to indict a ham sandwich it's telling that they failed.
It's far, far harder to indict a police officer though - not only do they get premium representation through their union or similar structure, they also know the system and have personal relationships with those that would do the prosecuting.
Dumb kid gets dead, and his parents hire a tilecrawler, and we're off to the races. Pun intended.
Personally, I think I'd be hiring a lawyer no matter what, just because I'm not in the best state of mind after my kid gets killed(his fault or not) and I need advice. Plus, said representation can better work with the police to make sure the investigation is done right, and what can be done is done. Even if that doesn't mean money for me.
BTW, where does using "tile crawler" for a lawyer come from?
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Nothing says "We're gonna protest being treated like trashy ghetto stereotypes" quite so effectvely as destroying your own neighborhood like trashy ghetto stereotypes. Well done, Ferguson protesters. Well done. A bunch of back-alley thugs living down to expectations. Enjoy the results. You earned it.
Brad
I saw a "woman in the street" interview with a black lady who was critical of the violence. (Well dressed and well spoken, she didn't seem to be a rioter.) With the backdrop of a burning auto service center, she said she was disappointed that she'll have to go into the next town for auto service and a lot of other things, since the businesses being burned probably won't rebuild; she said people were destroying their own neighborhoods and only hurting themselves by this vandalism.
I guess they just weren't taught you don't cr@p where you live or sleep. :facepalm:
And . . . where the heck were all the police and National Guardsmen that were supposedly mobilized by the "state of emergency" which was declared a couple of days ago? (Probably ordered to "stand down" and not engage in "racist" actions against the protest.)
Why didn't any of the vulnerable small businesses take the necessary steps to defend themselves? I can see why the employees of chain stores wouldn't put themselves on the line for their corporate owners, but you'd think that after the first round of Ferguson Follies a couple of months ago most small business owners would realize that they were going to be pretty much on their own . . . (maybe they just moved inventory out and increased their insurance, figuring they'll use the money they collect to MOVE somewhere more civilized.)
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These riots are a media creation. The mainstream media loves riots. I read an article where it was called 'riot porn'.
As progressive left wing as the media is they sure don't have a problem encouraging behaviors that feed into racial stereotypes.
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I think anything short of a murder one or equivalent would have had the same results.
Pretty much. And then the circus would have rebooted around calling for (demanding) a conviction. It's obvious to an objective outsider (as opposed to imported "organizer") that Michael Brown HAD his justice. People who were there and witnessed the event (which did not include his parents) told the grand jury what hapened, and the grand jury made a decision. That's what justice is in this country. "Justice" is not a lynch mob deciding ahead of time what the result "should" be based on the color of the skin of the protagonists.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2848827/Burn-b-emotional-reaction-Michael-Brown-s-family-repeatedly-called-calm-ultimately-not-hide-anger.html
It didn't take long for their true colors to come out. After months of calling for calm, during which time they no doubt expected that the grand jury would be intimidated into indicting, post-decision the stepfather said "Burn this bitch down." If I'm not mistaken, that's a gang sign he's flashing in one photo:
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Look at Mommy's and step-daddy's outfits. It's painfully obvious that Michael Brown grew up in a ghetto, gangsta culture. As usual, they try to distort the case by showing images (see step-daddy's sweat shirt) showing the punk as if he was the valedictorian of his high school class.
The president's remarks were nothing but a disgrace. He must have worked for weeks on that text. Masterfully appealing for calm while making insinuations that the "system" is flawed, that the grand jury screwed up, and there's something that needs to be "fixed." (Other than the ghetto mentality, of course, which El Presidente won't openly throw under the bus because they are who elected him.)
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Yup. Best thing to do would be to set up a perimeter, then enforce it. For at least a few weeks. Both ways.
Get it on camera. "Escape from Ferguson." Brown's stepfather can reprise Snake Pliskin's role.
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It's far, far harder to indict a police officer though - not only do they get premium representation through their union or similar structure, they also know the system and have personal relationships with those that would do the prosecuting.
Unless the grand jury system is different in Missouri, the defendant does not get to be represented. That's why it would be possible to indict a ham sandwich. A grand jury is not a trial, it's only a determination of probable cause.
Personally, I think I'd be hiring a lawyer no matter what, just because I'm not in the best state of mind after my kid gets killed(his fault or not) and I need advice. Plus, said representation can better work with the police to make sure the investigation is done right, and what can be done is done. Even if that doesn't mean money for me.
They did hire a lawyer, and the investigation apparently was done right. I don't think the grand jury made their decision the first day and then spent the rest of the time until yesterday playing pinochle. The problem is that, after "what can be done" has been done, the result was that the punk committed suicide by cop and the bereaved parents aren't willing to accept that.
Actually, has anyone heard from Michael Brown's real father since the verdict? The news is saying that "the family" is now calling for "justice" (even though they have it but choose not to accept reality), but I don't recall ever seeing or hearing anything about stepdaddy before the decision. Suddenly he's in the forefront of calling for anarchy and revolution. I wonder how Michael Brown, Sr., is reacting. He's probably accepting the decision quietly, whcih won't be reported because it doesn't make for salable news.
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As progressive left wing as the media is they sure don't have a problem encouraging behaviors that feed into racial stereotypes.
Yup. Just look at the difference between the CNN and Fox breaking headlines from last night:
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/25/bias-much-stunning-contrast-between-cnn-and-fnc-ferguson-news-alerts-screenshot/
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The continual attempts to portray the punk as a "teen ager" disgust me. He was 18 years old and, apparently (based on stepdaddy's sweat shirt), a high school graduate. In my book, that makes him an adult, even though numerically he was still (marginally) in his teens. At 18, he was old enough to enlist in the military and old enough to be prosecuted as an adult for any crimes he might have committed.
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Apparently that whole incident was captured by a CCTV camera, so perhaps what happened in Ferguson wont happen here.
I sincerely hope so. A good, clean video of a righteous shoot would go a long way to defusing some of the stupid being kicked around.
It's far, far harder to indict a police officer though - not only do they get premium representation through their union or similar structure, they also know the system and have personal relationships with those that would do the prosecuting.
Personally, I think I'd be hiring a lawyer no matter what, just because I'm not in the best state of mind after my kid gets killed(his fault or not) and I need advice. Plus, said representation can better work with the police to make sure the investigation is done right, and what can be done is done. Even if that doesn't mean money for me.
BTW, where does using "tile crawler" for a lawyer come from?
I can see the logic. As to the etymology of "tile crawler", I'm unsure. Lawdog has used it in the past as a derogatory term for the sleazier defense attorneys in his stories.
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The continual attempts to portray the punk as a "teen ager" disgust me. He was 18 years old and, apparently (based on stepdaddy's sweat shirt), a high school graduate. In my book, that makes him an adult, even though numerically he was still (marginally) in his teens. At 18, he was old enough to enlist in the military and old enough to be prosecuted as an adult for any crimes he might have committed.
Also old enough to vote, old enough to buy a rifle or shotgun, and old enough to sign a contract.
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It's far, far harder to indict a police officer though - not only do they get premium representation through their union or similar structure, they also know the system and have personal relationships with those that would do the prosecuting.
Neither of which really helps all that much with the GJ, though.
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I watched the prosecutor do his thing on TV last night and was very impressed at how he explaind the process, the law, and even the way he kind of snuck the No Bill in there. The people outside didn't even hear it for a few seconds and then they were looking all confused as to whether or not they heard what they thought they did. And then the media in the room when it was read started asking questions, seriously, do you have to become a retard to become a reporter?
bob
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You would think that listening would be an important skill for a reporter, particularly at a briefing that will give you all the information on the story you are covering. Yet several of them asked about how the grand jurors voted after the Prosecutor explained that he would be prohibited from disclosing anything about the deliberations or votes, even if he knew, which, he didn't.
Then there was the clown that asked something to the effect of "how is the community supposed to feel knowing that they can be killed with impunity?"
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Then there was the clown that asked something to the effect of "how is the community supposed to feel knowing that they can be killed with impunity?"
Easy; "disinclined toward robbery and any other unnecessary violence."
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I'd be interested in the origin as well. By context, it would appear to be either an attorney (in the sense of "ambulance chaser") or any low life who crawls on the floor like a cockroach.
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Even Urban Dictionary doesn't show it as it has appeared recently, as in "hired a tile crawler":
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
you fit the description
Phrase that police use to justify arresting any African American in any situation.
I stopped you because you fit the description of a suspect who robbed a liquor store.
by D3uteron June 05, 2009
Not that Urban Dictionary is definitive, but it's a start.
I gargled tile crawler in various modes, "tilecrawler," tile-crawler," etc and still didn't come up with anything related to its recent slang usage here and elsewhere.
First time I noticed the phrase was only a month or so ago, but then again, I'm pretty non-hip.
'Tis a puzzlement.
Terry
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The continual attempts to portray the punk as a "teen ager" disgust me.
Better yet the photo they love to show of Brown is back when he was 12 or 13 years old.
I sincerely hope so. A good, clean video of a righteous shoot would go a long way to defusing some of the stupid being kicked around.
I don't think you understand how these people operate.
There could be HDTV video from multiple angles, Jesus coming down and giving a play by play, and they'd still act like the animals they are.
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Better yet the photo they love to show of Brown is back when he was 12 or 13 years old...
With his face radiating like Moses coming down from the Mountain. (its easier to draw and a little more subtle than a halo)
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We don't go to Las Vegas and participate in the riots that didn't happen after my unarmed teenage cousin was gunned down by LVPD. And all of his wounds were in his back. I guess we missed an opportunity.
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Thanks for posting this picture. I find it hilarious. :laugh:
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We don't go to Las Vegas and participate in the riots that didn't happen after my unarmed teenage cousin was gunned down by LVPD. And all of his wounds were[/] in his back. I guess we missed an opportunity.
I assume your cousin was white, and therefore the shooters were immediately killed and set on fire by fellow officers.
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Better yet the photo they love to show of Brown is back when he was 12 or 13 years old.
I don't think you understand how these people operate.
There could be HDTV video from multiple angles, Jesus coming down and giving a play by play, and they'd still act like the animals they are.
Oh, I understand just fine. Those savages just looking for a reason to loot and pillage. I want incontrovertible proof that the shoot was righteous so there's no way for a grand jury to judicially lynch the poor cop. No charges against the innocent to placate those savages.
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Better yet the photo they love to show of Brown is back when he was 12 or 13 years old.
Just taking a page from the Trayvon Martin playbook.
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Then there was the clown that asked something to the effect of "how is the community supposed to feel knowing that they can be killed with impunity?"
As the prosecutor was leaving the room, did you hear the one that kept calling out "will you sleep well tonight"? (or something very close to those words)
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguson-protests-michael-brown/70067388/
"They have insurance. They can rebuild. The life of Mike Brown can’t be rebuilt. Our patience cannot be rebuilt."
'Cause violating other people's rights is OK, as long as you're impatient about someone else not getting the so-called justice you think they deserve.
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Wonderful.
In Philadelphia, several hundred protesters marched through downtown yelling "No justice, no peace, no racist police!" A similar protest of about 50 people in Pittsburgh was short-lived. Activists said they planned to regroup Tuesday at the federal courthouse.
About 15 people gathered in front of the Theodore Levin United States Federal Courthouse in Detroit earlier on Monday night.
The small group prayed and joined hands in the bitter cold as they awaited the decision. Rev. Charles Williams II, senior pastor at the Historic King Solomon Baptist Church of Detroit and Michigan regional president for the National Network, said the protest was held to demand justice and call for the U.S. Department of Justice to step in and prosecute Wilson.
They don't seem to acknowledge that justice and prosecuting Officer Wilson are not synonymous, and may actually be mutually exclusive.
In other words, "We failed to intimidate the state grand jury, so let's focus on intimidating the federal government."
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I like how Obama stated yesterday it isn't his job as President to interject in ongoing investigations but yet going all the way back to 2009 til this year he does so every chance he gets, Fox News did a montage of his "greatest" hits. Interesting also to see how much snow is on the top of his head today as opposed to 2009.
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Someone got tired of the protests in MN and used their right foot.
http://m.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html
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Now there's some social justice for ya.
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Someone got tired of the protests in MN and used their right foot.
http://m.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html
Cops need to identify the pedestrians involved and make them pay for any damage to the car.
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Someone got tired of the protests in MN and used their right foot.
http://m.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html
Stupid games stupid prizes.
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http://www.click2houston.com/news/darren-wilson-sorry-but-conscience-is-clear/29926594
I saw this and was happy to see the officer wasn't whining or apologizing or begging for forgivness. I think the interviewer wanted that.
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I would love to see step-dad brought up on charges for inciting a riot for his actions Monday night.
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Someone got tired of the protests in MN and used their right foot.
http://m.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html
Rule 1 in a situation like this; once you start, don't stop. Don't even slow down.
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Meanwhile, in Oakland CA:
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"Early access" indeed.
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That^^ reminds me.After watching video of some of the looting I had to laugh at how we/they are conditioned.Many,many times the looters break the door glass and duck under the bar when there's either a full length or just stepover glass pane right next to the door.Odd.Funny.
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Rule 1 in a situation like this; once you start, don't stop. Don't even slow down.
The ol' Blues Brothers gambit.
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When I drove from San Jose to San Francisco yesterday at about 7am, the main routes were clogged (so it seemed to me; possibly normal for CA) and my GPS said "faster route available, save 15 minutes". I really wanted to get to the Golden Gate before the sun got too high so I punched "accept re-route". Let me tell you, there was remarkably light traffic through Oakland. Of course I found out on lunch that day there were some riots in the area that night.
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Someone got tired of the protests in MN and used their right foot.
http://m.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html
Where's that Subaru thread? Their brand just changed from granola-wagon to hippy-proof protest plow.
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/11/25/first-pro-truth-grand-jury-witness-murdered-deandre-joshua-20-found-dead-yards-from-scene-of-michael-browns-death/
I wonder how credible this is?
We had speculated that if they released transcripts it wouldn't be that hard to figure out who testified even if the names were redacted.
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/11/25/first-pro-truth-grand-jury-witness-murdered-deandre-joshua-20-found-dead-yards-from-scene-of-michael-browns-death/
I wonder how credible this is?
We had speculated that if they released transcripts it wouldn't be that hard to figure out who testified even if the names were redacted.
So, if true, people were so angry about one guy getting away with the murder of a young black man, that they decided to murder a young black man over it? Makes about as much sense as anything else the "protestors" have been up to.
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So, if true, people were so angry about one guy getting away with the murder of a young black man, that they decided to murder a young black man over it? Makes about as much sense as anything else the "protestors" have been up to.
Eh. Not saying I up the story (I've never er heard of that site) but I see the logic. If true, that young black man was no longer a member of the group like Mike Brown. He was a race traitor. Using treason against the group as a reason to dehumanize and kill is one of the few human behaviors that crosses all boundaries.
Makes more sense than torching the Wal-mart.
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Where's that Subaru thread? Their brand just changed from granola-wagon to hippy-proof protest plow.
Second MN driver goes through the crowd. These guys need to just go for it if they're going to do it, not this starting and stopping low speed crap.
http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#mvm
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The ol' Blues Brothers gambit.
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Illinois Missouri Nazis looters.
I hate Illinois Missouri Nazis looters.
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Far be it from me to suggest that there might be a double standard at play, but ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2849736/Church-attended-Michael-Brown-s-family-destroyed-Monday-night-s-protests.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/feds-probing-arson-michael-brown-sr-s-church-n255961
So protesters burn a dozen or so buildings, including three national auto parts stores, a national pharmacy, and a national discount store, and there hasn't been a single mention of anyone "investigating," or any mention of arsonists being arrested. But a black church gets burned during the same "protest," and it's major news and the feds are already involved. (Even though, as far as I know, arson is a state-level crime, not a federal offense.) Smells a lot like reverse discrimination to me.
And the journalist is such a dweeb that he can't even get basic facts straight.
The Missouri church attended by Michael Brown’s father and his family was one of a dozen or so buildings burned to the ground during Monday night’s protests in the wake of a grand jury’s decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson.
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Note to Mr. McCormack: When a concrete block building has its interior damaged by fire but the building is still there for you to photograph the next day, it did not "burn to the ground."
Seems to me like any complaints about that church getting burned fall into the "pot calls kettle black" category, or "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."
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Illinois Missouri Nazis looters.
I hate Illinois Missouri Nazis looters.
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And I was worried no one would catch that reference. :lol: Well played gents.
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I can buy more of your pipe bombs once my EBT card gets recharged.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/27/men-allegedly-plotted-to-bomb-gateway-arch-kill-ferguson-officials-report-says/
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I can buy more of your pipe bombs once my EBT card gets recharged.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/27/men-allegedly-plotted-to-bomb-gateway-arch-kill-ferguson-officials-report-says/
What's next in the life for the world's most pitiful terrorist? Getting your mom to drive you for a drive-by?
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Once upon a time, food stamp recipients weren't too damn lazy to even build their own pipe bombs.
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When in doubt, power out!!! Useful in more ways than one. ;)
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They're apparently now trying to disrupt Black Friday at St Louis businesses. My question is, if they want to "get privileged whitey", shouldn't they be going to Macy's instead of Walmart?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/28/ferguson-protesters-move-from-streets-to-stores-on-black-friday/
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Well, I'm in Champaign-Urbana.
[stupid autocorrect]
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They're apparently now trying to disrupt Black Friday at St Louis businesses. My question is, if they want to "get privileged whitey", shouldn't they be going to Macy's instead of Walmart?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/28/ferguson-protesters-move-from-streets-to-stores-on-black-friday/
My question is how do you tell the protestors apart from the average Black Friday walmartian? Do the protestors stand in more orderly lines or something?
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My question is how do you tell the protestors apart from the average Black Friday walmartian? Do the protestors stand in more orderly lines or something?
They're overdressed.
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My question is how do you tell the protestors apart from the average Black Friday walmartian? Do the protestors stand in more orderly lines or something?
They go horizontal. I would be hard-pressed not to "accidentally" step on a hand or three as I was maneuvering through that.
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/28/demonstrators-shut-down-st-louis-galleria-on-black-friday-with-mass-die-in-protests-vine/
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They go horizontal. I would be hard-pressed not to "accidentally" step on a hand or three as I was maneuvering through that.
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/28/demonstrators-shut-down-st-louis-galleria-on-black-friday-with-mass-die-in-protests-vine/
Great, now I need shopping cleats.
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My question is how do you tell the protestors apart from the average Black Friday walmartian? Do the protestors stand in more orderly lines or something?
Average Walmartians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvxNgdFeWqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNzwgrtdBo8
(I like the way the second music video begins. ;) )
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A white man has apparently been beaten to death by "teens" with hammers in St Louis. No hard evidence on this being related to the protests, but also no civil rights outcry about the dead white guy.
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-death-with-hammers-in-st-louis/
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A white man has apparently been beaten to death by "teens" with hammers in St Louis. No hard evidence on this being related to the protests, but also no civil rights outcry about the dead white guy.
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-death-with-hammers-in-st-louis/
Blacks in St. Louis are dangerously close to getting the race war they want; they don't realize it will be a real war. Fifty years of civil rights progress thrown away. Whitey gettin' tired of this *expletive deleted*.
Fistful, you might wanna be careful for a while.
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A white man has apparently been beaten to death by "teens" with hammers in St Louis. No hard evidence on this being related to the protests, but also no civil rights outcry about the dead white guy.
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-death-with-hammers-in-st-louis/
That was just a mob of good upstanding church going choir boys who were letting off some steam in innocent, harmless fun.
Wait for an article justifying murder just like the articles justifying looting and rioting...
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A white man has apparently been beaten to death by "teens" with hammers in St Louis. No hard evidence on this being related to the protests, but also no civil rights outcry about the dead white guy.
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-death-with-hammers-in-st-louis/
Calls to mind this little opinion piece.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/11/26/ferguson-also-again-guns.html
I'm pretty sure Canada allows teenagers to have hammers.
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Cops need to identify the pedestrians involved and make them pay for any damage to the car.
I don't find this particularly high road. I also find it interesting that most of the protestors I saw were white. I may not support what they're protesting(though I suppose there's an element of 'straw that broke the camel's back), but I don't wish for them to be run over when they're peacefully protesting. Even if I think they'd do better outside of the intersection.
But a black church gets burned during the same "protest," and it's major news and the feds are already involved. (Even though, as far as I know, arson is a state-level crime, not a federal offense.) Smells a lot like reverse discrimination to me.
That's due to the deep south, KKK and what not. Burning a church, especially a black one, is automatically considered a possible hate crime and what not.
The other stores? They have insurance and deep pockets. The church's congregation may not.
A white man has apparently been beaten to death by "teens" with hammers in St Louis. No hard evidence on this being related to the protests, but also no civil rights outcry about the dead white guy.
Was he killed by a police officer? They've arrested the suspected perps? That's the way things are supposed to go.
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When they started pounding on car they volunteered to be speed bumps
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Was he killed by a police officer?
Was he committing a crime? It looks like he was just trying to live his life and that he was murdered in a hate crime. Minding his own business without being murdered should fall somewhere in the civil rights realm.
The circumstances here are very similar to the Reginald Denny incident.
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I don't find this particularly high road. I also find it interesting that most of the protestors I saw were white. I may not support what they're protesting(though I suppose there's an element of 'straw that broke the camel's back), but I don't wish for them to be run over when they're peacefully protesting. Even if I think they'd do better outside of the intersection.
That's due to the deep south, KKK and what not. Burning a church, especially a black one, is automatically considered a possible hate crime and what not.
The other stores? They have insurance and deep pockets. The church's congregation may not.
Was he killed by a police officer? They've arrested the suspected perps? That's the way things are supposed to go.
Wow...
So a mob attacking a car isn't a good reason to try to flee, and arson isn't a big deal if it's against corporations cause those fatcat small business owners have deep pockets.
Given the format differences, I'm not sure how you mixed up your APS and Democratic Underground accounts.
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Wow...
So a mob attacking a car isn't a good reason to try to flee, and arson isn't a big deal if it's against corporations cause those fatcat small business owners have deep pockets.
Given the format differences, I'm not sure how you mixed up your APS and Democratic Underground accounts.
Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay for it from their stash.
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Don't worry, the insurance companies will pay for it from their stash.
Yeah, they won't just pay what they are legally obligated to pay, they will write a big check to cover all expenses, lost revenue, lost pay of the employees who work there, etc, etc.
Firethorn, were you failing at scarcasm or have you never filed an insurance claim or run a small business?
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Yeah, they won't just pay what they are legally obligated to pay, they will write a big check to cover all expenses, lost revenue, lost pay of the employees who work there, etc, etc.
That's the part I haven't been able to get across to some people that think insurance is a substitute for personal responsibility. It doesn't even occur to them that they might have been up for a decent raise or promotion at work had they not missed a bunch of half days dealing with the claims, gotten behind in the time they didn't quite miss because they were on the phone arguing with the insurance company, etc. They don't even factor in the loss of a couple days' pay, or wasted sick days/floating holidays/whatever.
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Wow...
So a mob attacking a car isn't a good reason to try to flee, and arson isn't a big deal if it's against corporations cause those fatcat small business owners have deep pockets.
Given the format differences, I'm not sure how you mixed up your APS and Democratic Underground accounts.
Attempting to flee is not what was being objected to; making light and a joke about running over folks was the point of contention.
Ignoring or showing a lack of empathy to the "optics" of a black church being burnt down shows a lack of historical perspective and plays into the hands of the potential provocateurs who actually burnt the church down. My gut tells me that whoever burnt it and regardless of the reason wants the 'white' community to dismiss it and further the outrage. The cynic in me would say the church was also insured for the loss and they will end up making money between donations and insurance. If you look at it nobody wins by burning that church except the church. That still doesn't change the narrative that will be told and in reality everyone is presumed innocent until proof otherwise is presented. The police force should run a fundraiser for them and help them out.
There are smart folks who are pulling the strings and disseminating the propaganda. If you are going to be a good guy then you overcome evil with good as much as possible. The media narrative needs to be shown to be a crock of BS and it might take some folks sucking it up and being the bigger person to show that to the folks being manipulated.
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Attempting to flee is not what was being objected to; making light and a joke about running over folks was the point of contention.
Ignoring or showing a lack of empathy to the "optics" of a black church being burnt down shows a lack of historical perspective and plays into the hands of the potential provocateurs who actually burnt the church down. My gut tells me that whoever burnt it and regardless of the reason wants the 'white' community to dismiss it and further the outrage. The cynic in me would say the church was also insured for the loss and they will end up making money between donations and insurance. If you look at it nobody wins by burning that church except the church. That still doesn't change the narrative that will be told and in reality everyone is presumed innocent until proof otherwise is presented. The police force should run a fundraiser for them and help them out.
There are smart folks who are pulling the strings and disseminating the propaganda. If you are going to be a good guy then you overcome evil with good as much as possible. The media narrative needs to be shown to be a crock of BS and it might take some folks sucking it up and being the bigger person to show that to the folks being manipulated.
Ignoring or showing a lack of empathy to the "optics" of burning down innocent businesses shows a lot of things too.
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The other stores? They have insurance and deep pockets. The church's congregation may not.
So this justifies arson? "They have insurance"?
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When they started pounding on car they volunteered to be speed bumps
In at least the first video it appeared that they started beating on the car AFTER he had plowed into the crowd. Escaping the mob I don't object to. Plowing into them in the first place does.
Firethorn, were you failing at scarcasm or have you never filed an insurance claim or run a small business?
I think you guys are misreading what I attempted to say. I was trying to say that arson against a minority church/religious building attracts federal attention due to incidents in the south back in the day, specifically due to hate crime legislation. That's why the feds are involved in that. It was NOT a value judgement on the laws or investigation.
As for the stores, it was specifically mentioned that they were all NATIONAL chain stores. MechAg94, 'insurance and deep pockets' IE insurance for 'most of it', the bank account for the rest. Running a church, for most churches, is a lot more like running a small business than a national chain store. Thus my increased concern for it, because I'd rate it less likely to have the reserves, much less full insurance, to recover from the incident.
That DOES NOT justify arson Hawkmoon, that justifies it being a local police investigation as opposed to federal involvement. :facepalm:
Ron was the one that got it - I wasn't objecting to the attempt to flee. I was objecting to making light of running over people. They're protesting, they should be allowed to protest(peacefully). Not have somebody in a car plow through them.
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Ignoring or showing a lack of empathy to the "optics" of burning down innocent businesses shows a lot of things too.
Considering the source of the original comment maybe less than your attributing.
This is a PR and propaganda war as much as anything else. Myself, I don't wish, long or hope for a race war.
Jots tittles winning battles losing wars etc.
Nobody here condones burning down big box stores or small churches. The emotional power and propaganda value of a black church being burned down is not the same as that as an evil corporate store or franchise being attacked.
The folks rioting are being manipulated by the same group who we would consider political enemies.
That is perhaps an opportunity if handled correctly. Not so much if you are itching to go to arms.
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As for the stores, it was specifically mentioned that they were all NATIONAL chain stores.
I don't know who you want to believe, but I saw interviews with local owners who were not at all national chain stores. One, the owner of a beauty shop that had just put everything she had in to getting the store open, was obviously heartbroken. Even if she was insured, do you think her view of the community is still supportive?
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The store that Brown (allegedly ) robbed didn't seem like a national brand, and was looted.
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Peaceful protestors, where? Been looking for them all week long...
*expletive deleted*ck the thugs, *expletive deleted*ck the thug supporters. All the ones in the streets screaming Kill Whitey, which the crowd that pulled the guy from the car was reportedly screaming? *expletive deleted*ck THEM.
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I don't know who you want to believe, but I saw interviews with local owners who were not at all national chain stores. One, the owner of a beauty shop that had just put everything she had in to getting the store open, was obviously heartbroken. Even if she was insured, do you think her view of the community is still supportive?
Nope. I feel for her and wish her the best of luck in her continued pursuits as well as the hopefully speedy apprehension, prosecution, and punishment of the offender(s). Though she's likely a member of the community, or at least was.
Going back to Hawkmoon's post, which I responded to, I'm going to have to modify things a bit: I failed to see the 'dozen or so buildings', but concentrated on the mentioning of 3 national chain stores. IE I thought he was equating federal investigation of the burning of the church as unfair when 3 national stores were and they weren't attracting federal attention.
I hope for the conviction and punishment of ALL involved in burning the buildings down, but I personally increase the tragedy levels by how personal the loss is - a national chain store isn't very personal. A church can be. Businesses are in the middle, with sole proprietorships tending towards very personal.
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Peaceful protestors, where? Been looking for them all week long...
Some of the "peaceful" protests in San Francisco: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/SFPD-79-arrested-5-cops-wounded-in-ugly-protest-5928429.php
and video (contains NSFW language): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yxeux8H_UNI
I do not envy the SFPD.
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The real bad guys aren't the looters.
Taking up arms against them if threatened or denouncing them on moral grounds is fine but gets us nowhere. The media LOVES the idea of armed middle aged white guys ranting against poor black looters.
Who are the real bad guys?
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I wait to see who actually burned the church .,pardon my cynical,nature
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Some of the "peaceful" protests in San Francisco: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/SFPD-79-arrested-5-cops-wounded-in-ugly-protest-5928429.php
and video (contains NSFW language): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yxeux8H_UNI
I do not envy the SFPD.
Water cannons.Lots and lots of water cannons.Followed by giant squeegees monted on street sweepers.
Abusive and abrasive.Those police show a LOT of restraint.
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edited to add.It finally occured to me that a group of non-police wearing riot gear could seriously *expletive deleted*ck some *expletive deleted*it up in one of those protests.And if they were careful and organized,could likely walk away unscathed.
Not a suggestion,more,an observation.
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I wait to see who actually burned the church .,pardon my cynical,nature
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I'm with ya
The police holding a fundraiser for them is a win/win.
Helps em out and blunts the propaganda value of the event.
The left isn't looking for a Kumbayah moment with the right. They want to annihilate the right. Co-opting their base and treating them with more respect may be the best tactic.
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The real bad guys aren't the looters.
Taking up arms against them if threatened or denouncing them on moral grounds is fine but gets us nowhere. The media LOVES the idea of armed middle aged white guys ranting against poor black looters.
Who are the real bad guys?
That's an incredibly stupid thing to say. You're better than this Ron.
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Who are the real bad guys?
Looters.
Along with the media and race baiters.
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Looters.
Along with the media and race baiters.
Absolutely, the looters need the cover of the media/race baiters in government.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but utter contempt for the looters and their thug lifestyle. They are just puppets though.
My point is the real bad guys are the ones promoting and subsidizing it through our tax dollars.
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I hope for the conviction and punishment of ALL involved in burning the buildings down, but I personally increase the tragedy levels by how personal the loss is - a national chain store isn't very personal.
It's extremely personal to the community members who depended on their jobs there to feed and clothe their children.
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The burning of "black" churches at least in 1990's when Clinton made it a cause celebre', is hoax.
http://www.fumento.com/racism/column8.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/06/fanning_imaginary_flames_a_look_back_at_the_great_church_fire_propaganda_campaign.html
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It's extremely personal to the community members who depended on their jobs there to feed and clothe their children.
And when a small business owner is burned out of not only their job but their life savings?
Like I said before - it's a continuum of suck.
Edit: Oh yeah, heard something on NPR a while ago. Seems they did a study and found that extreme race riots can cause home values to drop 10% over values expected without the riots - even 20+ years later.
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And when a small business owner is burned out of not only their job but their life savings?
2-10 people are screwed. Not even as many as the overnight stocking shift at Target.
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The burning of "black" churches at least in 1990's when Clinton made it a cause celebre', is hoax.
http://www.fumento.com/racism/column8.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/06/fanning_imaginary_flames_a_look_back_at_the_great_church_fire_propaganda_campaign.html
Yea it's often a scam/gimmick
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That's an incredibly stupid thing to say. You're better than this Ron.
In his defense, it was incredibly bad phrasing.
What he meant is that the looters and arsonists are but foot soldiers. He's suggesting that those higher up on the, err... "chain of command", are the greater problem.
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2-10 people are screwed. Not even as many as the overnight stocking shift at Target.
Yeah, but it's easier(though not easy) for said crew to get a new job than it is for the burned out business owner to start a new business.
Still, at this point I think we're quibbling. There's so many variables that you can keep drilling down to to increase/decrease the relative levels, but in the end it still royally sucks.
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Yeah, but it's easier(though not easy) for said crew to get a new job than it is for the burned out business owner to start a new business.
The owner definitely takes a hit, but for keeping the rent and bills paid at home, he can get a job just as easily as anyone else in the community. Often easier, as other business owners like having employees who understand what they have to deal with. He also (usually) has the experience of building his business from the ground up on whatever he could save and whatever spare time he could get from a low-paying job, which he can use to do it again. He might even have the common sense not to do it there next time.
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The owner definitely takes a hit, but for keeping the rent and bills paid at home, he can get a job just as easily as anyone else in the community.
Like I said, at this point we're quibbling.
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I'm stunned that some of you are defending rioting as if it were a victimless crime. Just sweep up the glass, go next door for a different job, and everything goes on as before?
Ignoring the direct cost of damages, do you really think anybody is planning to move to Ferguson right now? Anybody lining up for a new business license at the courthouse? (assuming the courthouse hasn't been burnt down yet) These "protests" have actual negative impacts. Look at the town in a year. They will have cameras on the officers, but other than that, see if things have changed for the better or worse.
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I'm stunned that some of you are defending rioting as if it were a victimless crime.
Not at all; I just don't think it's any less of a crime to loot or burn a chain store than a local mom and pop.
I will allow the distinction, though, and double the penalty; hang the local store looters with two ropes.
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There were a lot of comments on the radio last night including playing words by Farakhan saying they need to essentially kill more whitey. One comment was maybe the white cops in the Ferguson department should all call in sick for a few days. That comment tied in with the reaction to the NFL players taking the field with the hands up in the air when the local police were working OT to insure the team and fans were not affected by the rioting.
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I'm stunned that some of you are defending rioting as if it were a victimless crime. Just sweep up the glass, go next door for a different job, and everything goes on as before?
Ignoring the direct cost of damages, do you really think anybody is planning to move to Ferguson right now? Anybody lining up for a new business license at the courthouse? (assuming the courthouse hasn't been burnt down yet) These "protests" have actual negative impacts. Look at the town in a year. They will have cameras on the officers, but other than that, see if things have changed for the better or worse.
Hmm, nice straw man you have there. I went back and read the previous posts and didn't see where anyone defended rioting.
The folks were fomented into rioting by the media, provocateurs and some government officials who may very well have wanted a riot. Who burned the church down doesn't matter to the left. They got their talking point about it and it is now grafted into the narrative.
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I'm stunned that some of you are defending rioting as if it were a victimless crime. Just sweep up the glass, go next door for a different job, and everything goes on as before?
Is this 'defending rioting'? - "I hope for the conviction and punishment of ALL involved in burning the buildings down, but I personally increase the tragedy levels by how personal the loss is - a national chain store isn't very personal. A church can be. Businesses are in the middle, with sole proprietorships tending towards very personal. "
One thing to realize is that there have been plenty of non-violent protests in Ferguson. There have also been riots. The former is less news-worthy than the latter. There have been a couple incidents of what appeared to be the latter being run over by cars plowing through them. As a matter of liberty I support their right to protest as long as they aren't being violent about it. I'm sure that not all of the protestors took to rioting. I'm also with some of the others - I believe that there are agents provocateur that pushed for the riots in order to further various people's causes.
Ignoring the direct cost of damages, do you really think anybody is planning to move to Ferguson right now? Anybody lining up for a new business license at the courthouse? (assuming the courthouse hasn't been burnt down yet) These "protests" have actual negative impacts. Look at the town in a year. They will have cameras on the officers, but other than that, see if things have changed for the better or worse.
Prediction: Property values will still be suppressed by about 10% from what they would have been without the riots 20 years from now. Up to about 20% in the short term(IE 1-3 years). There was an NPR special where they looked into this with the LA riots.
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OK, poor choice of words on my part. I probably should have said minimizing the damage. But anyway, I can see most of what I was referring to was more like a little drift toward chain vs. local stores.
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Eh, thought better of it. (reply to something far enough back to be irrelevant)
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http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/11/30/oath-keepers-guardians-republic-domestic-terrorists/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2014-12-02&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter#
This is gonna get worse before it gets better.
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Want head to asplodey? Read linky. http://www.newsleader.com/story/news/local/2014/12/02/mbc-hosts-discussion-ferguson-shooting/19811029/ (http://www.newsleader.com/story/news/local/2014/12/02/mbc-hosts-discussion-ferguson-shooting/19811029/)
Mary Baldwin is a small local college that was all woman, I think they have some male non-resident students now. Very much imbued with a well deserved reputation as a den of privileged stuck up (APS unallowble adjectives) young *ladies* who really think they are special.
Last bit of the article does it for me.
The Rev. Andra Cornett-Scott, a professor of African American studies, helped moderate the event. Cornett-Scott decried what she considered a shroud of secrecy surrounding the shooting investigation. Well, they laid the evidence out. By shroud of secrecy you must mean names of jurors, witnesses, who said what, how they voted, where they live and what bus their kid rides.
The audience watched a video clip of St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch explaining a grand jury’s determination that there was not enough probable cause that Wilson acted improperly in the shooting.
Senior Danielle Mullen didn’t think McCulloch gave a good enough account of whether Brown had all of his rights explained during the encounter.
“From what was described in the video, that didn’t happen,” Mullen said. Excuse me Mr. 290lb angry man in my car trying to grab my gun and kill me; would you like to take a minute to learn about our lord and savior Mr. Miranda? WTF
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I am shocked someone didn't say he wasn't told about probable cause
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