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Title: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: MillCreek on June 07, 2015, 12:22:05 PM
If you have access to Amazon video, then the adaptation of Philip K. Dick's  'The Man in the High Castle' is well worth a view.  Based on the initial reception, Amazon recently ordered a full season of episodes.

Some of it is being filmed in this area, and it was interesting for me to see the set locations.  Good photography, acting and plot.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: brimic on June 07, 2015, 04:17:05 PM
If you have access to Amazon video, then the adaptation of Philip K. Dick's  'The Man in the High Castle' is well worth a view.  Based on the initial reception, Amazon recently ordered a full season of episodes.

Some of it is being filmed in this area, and it was interesting for me to see the set locations.  Good photography, acting and plot.

Thanks for the heads up, I thought I remember seeing a trailer for the movie a year or two ago and wondered if the movie ever came out.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: RocketMan on June 07, 2015, 05:51:20 PM
We've got Prime.  I will give it a look.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Dannyboy on June 07, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
I watched the pilot when it was released and liked it. Happy to hear they picked up a whole season. I bought the book after watching the pilot and was fairly disappointed. It was very anticlimactic.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: RocketMan on June 07, 2015, 11:15:56 PM
Watched the first episode tonight.  Pretty decent, looking forward to the next one (though the audio effects guys were off on some stuff as they typically are these days on period shows).
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on June 08, 2015, 11:13:56 AM
Waiting with much anticipation for the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: freakazoid on October 25, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzz_6dmv03I
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on October 25, 2015, 08:09:58 PM
Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzz_6dmv03I

Thanks for the reminder! Watched the first one when it came out, now it looks like the whole season will drop in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: freakazoid on October 25, 2015, 08:16:07 PM
Yeah. Been seeing the add for it on youtube. Looks like it will be pretty good.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: RocketMan on October 25, 2015, 09:52:23 PM
Watched the second episode last night.  An interesting premise, decent acting.  I'll keep watching.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Grebnaws on October 25, 2015, 09:57:43 PM
I watched both eps last night and enjoyed it. Man in the High Castle was not my favorite PKD novel by a stretch but I can see how it would play out better as a mini series. Terrifying idea, America being run by Japan and NAZIs. Perhaps this will series will help motivate it's viewers to rise against?
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Scout26 on October 26, 2015, 02:56:27 AM
Looks very interesting.  I love alternative history.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: roo_ster on October 26, 2015, 12:06:12 PM
Sweet, will try out.

Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: JN01 on October 26, 2015, 03:49:09 PM
I found it compelling.  Will definitely watch the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on November 20, 2015, 10:49:12 PM
Wife and I are bingewatching. I'll probably be up till the wee hours.

We've tried to stop and we can't.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Sergeant Bob on November 21, 2015, 12:43:22 AM
Saving this for later!
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on November 22, 2015, 03:36:01 PM
I saw the series dropped and started watching. I'm just through episode three right now. I recommend that anyone who saw the pilot when it first came out rewatch that before starting the rest. I should have done that.

I'm liking it so far. My only nits to pick at this point are a couple of the Marvel comic style over-the-top bad guys.  Obergruppenführer Smith somehow was the only one to live through an ambush involving like eight resistance fighters with machine guns, and also managed to take all of them out with a Luger (except the one guy he wounded and left alive for interrogation). "The Marshal" is also a bit over the top. All somebody needs to do is what Kevin Costner did in "Open Range" -- walk up to the guy, don't bother with small talk, and just shoot him in the head.

Then also, though I'm not prudish, it seems out of place to have the F-bomb dropped so much in the 1960s environment. Amazon must have some HBO writers working for them.

Anyway,  I still like it a lot so far and am trying not to binge watch to make it last, especially since shows like "The Walking Dead" will probably be taking breaks over the holidays.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: TechMan on November 23, 2015, 11:14:00 AM
I saw the series dropped and started watching. I'm just through episode three right now. I recommend that anyone who saw the pilot when it first came out rewatch that before starting the rest. I should have done that.

I'm liking it so far. My only nits to pick at this point are a couple of the Marvel comic style over-the-top bad guys.  Obergruppenführer Smith somehow was the only one to live through an ambush involving like eight resistance fighters with machine guns, and also managed to take all of them out with a Luger (except the one guy he wounded and left alive for interrogation). "The Marshal" is also a bit over the top. All somebody needs to do is what Kevin Costner did in "Open Range" -- walk up to the guy, don't bother with small talk, and just shoot him in the head.

Then also, though I'm not prudish, it seems out of place to have the F-bomb dropped so much in the 1960s environment. Amazon must have some HBO writers working for them.

Anyway,  I still like it a lot so far and am trying not to binge watch to make it last, especially since shows like "The Walking Dead" will probably be taking breaks over the holidays.

I cannot find the pilot, do you have a link?
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2015, 12:26:56 PM
I cannot find the pilot, do you have a link?

It's actually just episode 1. They released it during the last pilot season, but a lot of time has gone by since then, so it's easy to miss some of the background that sets up episode two and after. I went straight to episode 2 and saw that I had forgotten some of the character connections.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: TechMan on November 23, 2015, 08:03:03 PM
It's actually just episode 1. They released it during the last pilot season, but a lot of time has gone by since then, so it's easy to miss some of the background that sets up episode two and after. I went straight to episode 2 and saw that I had forgotten some of the character connections.

Cool thank you for clarifying that. 
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on November 25, 2015, 07:16:32 PM
if anyone else finishes it, see if you can give me a clue what the ending means.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: JN01 on November 26, 2015, 09:55:50 PM
SPOILER ALERT

Earlier, we saw that the German agent and Japanese Trade Minister Tagomi conspired to plant microfilm plans for a "Heisenberg device" on another Japanese official to achieve a balance of power and avoid another war.  Werner Heisenberg was a pioneer of quantum mechanics.  From Wiki:
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The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts the objective reality of the universal wavefunction and denies the actuality of wavefunction collapse. Many-worlds implies that all possible alternate histories and futures are real, each representing an actual "world" (or "universe"). In lay terms, the hypothesis states there is a very large—perhaps infinite—number of universes, and everything that could possibly have happened in our past, but did not, has occurred in the past of some other universe or universes.

Tagomi apparently transported to an alternate universe.  Earlier, his assistant told him that perhaps he was "too good for this world". Earlier, we also saw scars (radiation burns?) on the assistants wrist, who later told Tagomi he was from either Hiroshima or Nagasaki- perhaps he is from another universe as well.   Does the necklace or the box it was in have anything to do with this transportation?  Is it a Heisenberg device?  Guess we will have to wait for Season 2.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on November 27, 2015, 12:40:39 PM
SPOILER ALERT

Earlier, we saw that the German agent and Japanese Trade Minister Tagomi conspired to plant microfilm plans for a "Heisenberg device" on another Japanese official to achieve a balance of power and avoid another war.  Werner Heisenberg was a pioneer of quantum mechanics.  From Wiki:
Tagomi apparently transported to an alternate universe.  Earlier, his assistant told him that perhaps he was "too good for this world". Earlier, we also saw scars (radiation burns?) on the assistants wrist, who later told Tagomi he was from either Hiroshima or Nagasaki- perhaps he is from another universe as well.   Does the necklace or the box it was in have anything to do with this transportation?  Is it a Heisenberg device?  Guess we will have to wait for Season 2.

Damn. Thanks for pointing that out. And therefore the Wu in the necklace seems to have been the means of transporting Tagomi into the alternate universe.

I need to go back and watch the first episode try and understand what the I Ching was saying.

Good call on the scars. I believe he said he was from Nagasaki. Which, in Tagomi's native universe, would not have been nuked...
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: drooby on December 03, 2015, 10:09:29 AM
SPOILER ALERT

Earlier, we saw that the German agent and Japanese Trade Minister Tagomi conspired to plant microfilm plans for a "Heisenberg device" on another Japanese official to achieve a balance of power and avoid another war.  Werner Heisenberg was a pioneer of quantum mechanics.  From Wiki:
Tagomi apparently transported to an alternate universe.  Earlier, his assistant told him that perhaps he was "too good for this world". Earlier, we also saw scars (radiation burns?) on the assistants wrist, who later told Tagomi he was from either Hiroshima or Nagasaki- perhaps he is from another universe as well.   Does the necklace or the box it was in have anything to do with this transportation?  Is it a Heisenberg device?  Guess we will have to wait for Season 2.

I also picked up on that he was from Hiroshima or Nagasaki, but I am trying to wrap my head around on how Tagomi was able to jump from his universe to the parallel universe?  In fear that the show won't be renewed for a second season, I went ahead and bought the book and have started reading it... maybe I'll have answers to my questions sooner than expected!
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: TechMan on December 23, 2015, 09:55:01 AM
The series has been picked up for a second season.  It was the most streamed original show of Amazon.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: RocketMan on December 24, 2015, 10:36:16 AM
The series has been picked up for a second season.  It was the most streamed original show of Amazon.

That's good news.  Watched another episode last night.  It's been enjoyable thus far.

Thread jack:  Anyone been watching "Bosch" on Amazon?  Author Michael Connelly has had a significant hand in the show.  It follows his books pretty well.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: TechMan on December 24, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
I watched Bosch and thought it was pretty good.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: brimic on April 05, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
Just started watching it a few days ago and I'm hooked.

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"The Marshal" is also a bit over the top. All somebody needs to do is what Kevin Costner did in "Open Range" -- walk up to the guy, don't bother with small talk, and just shoot him in the head.

That's pretty much what I was thinking as soon as they introduced the character- there is no way someone like that would last very long in a frontier or an area WROL.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on April 05, 2016, 04:00:06 PM
I binged watched it when the bosses went to Westminster and I got snowed in at the farm.

AWSOMESAUCE!
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on April 05, 2016, 09:03:40 PM
I binged watched it when the bosses went to Westminster and I got snowed in at the farm.

AWSOMESAUCE!

It's pretty trippy ain't it?
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on April 05, 2016, 09:15:35 PM
It's pretty trippy ain't it?

I think the atmosphere of the show is the real hook for me. When he gets the flat tire and it looks like snowflakes, but it's not and the trooper is just so accepting of it. I really appreciate how it really is so on point about that kind of stuff without being overly graphic. Most shows would have slammed it in your face or avoided it completely. tMitHC put it out there in a way that was completely disturbing, yet subtle.
Creeped me the *expletive deleted*ck out and then you find out about what's his face's son.  :O  :'( (Yes, I know. The kid's all Hitler Youth and crap. He's just a boy!)
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on December 16, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
Thread necro.

Season 2 dropped on Amazon today. Guess I know what I'll be doing for the next few evenings.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on December 17, 2016, 08:11:25 PM
Watched the first episode last night. Roped me right back in.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on December 18, 2016, 05:45:15 PM
Wow - 20 episodes this season. Guess it'll be more than a few evenings before I finish up. :)
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: AJ Dual on December 18, 2016, 08:43:29 PM
Wow - 20 episodes this season. Guess it'll be more than a few evenings before I finish up. :)

So far, the second ten, "episodes 11-20", are just 3-5 minute recaps with director, writer, and producers comments.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on December 18, 2016, 09:00:35 PM
So far, the second ten, "episodes 11-20", are just 3-5 minute recaps with director, writer, and producers comments.

Grrr.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: AJ Dual on December 18, 2016, 09:48:36 PM
Mrs. Dual and I binged all 10 episodes this weekend.

I've never seen a show with writing this tight. Amazing.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on December 23, 2016, 09:43:51 PM
As I said before, I took advantage of a house sitting situation to binge season one. I broke down today and got set up with Amazon so I could get season two.
However, I have to catch Dad up first. It's hard to hook him in to watch stuff together and he doesn't know how use the Roku (we are way behind on Westworld) but I cornered him.
Yep. He's hooked.  =D
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zahc on December 25, 2016, 12:26:12 AM
I'm really enjoying the lack of infantile "flashback" sequences that most TV shows have, and lack of other such crappy devices. I like my paying attention to be rewarded.

edit: although I do wish they could have been more authentic with the languages.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on December 26, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
Finished episode 6 tonight.

Dialogue with wife:

"I'm tripping out right now."

Five minutes later

"Now the characters are tripping out. No, literally."
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Mannlicher on December 27, 2016, 08:00:31 AM
tried watching it, but the premise is harder to swallow than zombies.  Turned it off, half way through the show.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on December 27, 2016, 09:13:08 AM
tried watching it, but the premise is harder to swallow than zombies.  Turned it off, half way through the show.

You would make a terrible Obergruppenfuhrer.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zahc on December 27, 2016, 10:26:51 AM
tried watching it, but the premise is harder to swallow than zombies.  Turned it off, half way through the show.

Possibly spoilers.

Do you mean the magical films thing was hard to accept, or the alternate history itself, aside from the fact that it's a fictional alternate history?

My dad refused to watch it because he could not accept that the US could/would ever lose WWII. I, on the other hand, find it rather plausible, as presented. We don't get a lot of details, but if Germany had been able to field nuclear weapons first, I don't see how they could have lost. European countries would have surrendered one by one like Japan ultimately did, the US would have held out as long as they thought they were out of range, and clobbering DC from a sub or long range missile would have finished it. I'm not sure how the Japanese ended up so strong enough to invade the west coast, but maybe they got a lot of resources from the Nazis. We never hear anything about what happens in Europe or with the USSR or Mussolini.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: RevDisk on December 27, 2016, 10:55:37 AM
That scene with Obergruppenfuhrer Smith in the Volkshalle. Hell, the entire last episode. It was good. And exceedingly chilling. I replayed it a couple times.

I'm very, very glad we killed off the leadership of the Reich. If they had won, unlikely as it was, they would have created a world of amazing nightmare.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on December 27, 2016, 11:17:27 AM
That scene with Obergruppenfuhrer Smith in the Volkshalle. Hell, the entire last episode. It was good. And exceedingly chilling. I replayed it a couple times.

I'm very, very glad we killed off the leadership of the Reich. If they had won, unlikely as it was, they would have created a world of amazing nightmare.

The series really drives that home in a ways subtle and very un-subtle.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: lupinus on December 27, 2016, 01:16:59 PM
To me it's not so much that the Nazis could have possibly won, but that they would have managed to pull of an invasion of mainland US and made it part of their empire.

It's a fiction so I don't care about the actual plausibility, but it's certainly a leap one has to make.


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Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zahc on December 27, 2016, 01:56:16 PM
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To me it's not so much that the Nazis could have possibly won, but that they would have managed to pull of an invasion of mainland US and made it part of their empire.

Nukes. That's literally all. The premise is that Germany got nukes faster--the rest follows from that. They knew how to make them, but didn't have an Oak-ridge-equivalent town to convert into a giant particle accelerator to enrich the uranium. It could easily have happened had they invented centrifugal enrichment and hid the facility and the program well enough to not appear an appealing target. Using better encryption would have helped them.

 If Germany got British and European opposition to either surrender, or crippled with a few well-chosen leveled cities, its chemical weapon, jet, and rocket programs would not have been stalled, and it would have had access to allied resources, fuel, etc.  With no functional allies left, the US would have been on borrowed time. in the show, we know the Nazis took out DC, but we don't know if it was a sneak attack. The scene with young Obergrueppenfuehrer suggests to me the DC nuke was a sneak attack, possibly a sub-launched nuke, possibly the first nuke ever... dropping the first one on the US would make as much sense as anywhere else, both to harm the US and to demonstrate the weapon to the world without destroying any valuable real-estate and materiel in Europe/England. Remember that before the US had nukes, the Japanese were keeping it quite busy with a conventional war of attrition in the Pacific which historians agree would have gone on for years, even with the European Axis powers worn down to manageability.

It is a strength of the show that it doesn't elaborate on what happened, and leaves us to speculate. The younger characters in the show only know propoganda and censored history, which is scary itself.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: RevDisk on December 27, 2016, 02:07:52 PM
To me it's not so much that the Nazis could have possibly won, but that they would have managed to pull of an invasion of mainland US and made it part of their empire.

It's a fiction so I don't care about the actual plausibility, but it's certainly a leap one has to make.

Not so much a leap if Washington disappeared in a single day. And another city the next day. And us not being able to respond in kind. Even if delivered by suicidal U-boat, it wouldn't take long for the US to surrender.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: AJ Dual on December 28, 2016, 01:43:05 AM
There were other issues before WWII even started where the High-Castle timeline diverged from ours. FDR gets assassinated, the Great Depression was longer/worse, (I'd argue losing FDR would shorten it...  =D ) And various things lead to the U.S. not getting involved until Japan is attacking the West Coast.

Still a stretch that Germany and Japan could manage the logistics of cross-ocean invasion, even if Germany had the bomb and got few of them to the U.S. Cross-ocean geographic isolation, the sheer size of the U.S. Like the USSR enjoyed, but also with first world industry and better resources... IMO, we'd have made the Eastern Front look easy.

But, the backstory in the original PKD story did at least provide a bit more reasonable explanation, even if still incomplete.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Jocassee on December 28, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
We finished watching season 2 last night. All I can say is...wow.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zxcvbob on December 30, 2016, 03:15:21 PM
Wife and I just started watching season 1 last night.  It's going to take a while to get thru this one; I can't binge watch anything anyway (don't like watching TV that long), and she can only handle one episode at a time.

One thing that bothers me about shows like this is how easily I think I could kill people in that situation (targets of opportunity with an icepick or knife or poison rather than a gun or explosives.)  Stab the Obergruppenführer while passing on the sidewalk, abandon the knife and keep walking.  Wife says I would be very useful in the Resistance.

Biggest flaws I've noticed in the show so far are anachronisms: the prevalence of color TV (both receivers and broadcasts), and people using "*expletive deleted*ing" as an all-purpose adjective/adverb.  But can you really have anachronisms in an alternate reality?  ;/

ETA: I'm up to episode 5, but Wife has binge-watched the entire first season :laugh:
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on January 03, 2017, 10:52:40 PM
Just finished Season 2. Excellent. There had better be a season 3 though! :)
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: roo_ster on January 04, 2017, 12:05:00 AM
This show is one reason I don't need cable or satellite.  Good stuff.

On season two, episode two.

Was saying to myself late in season one, "You know your world is in a hell of a place when Adolf Hitler is the more reasonable alternative." 

Then I remembered that in (real-life) WWII AH _was_ the more reasonable mass-murdering totalitarian dictator and we backed the only dictator on the planet worse than AH (Go USA!)  And that what is portrayed in TMITHC is something like what the folks behind the Iron Curtain dealt with.  TMITHC: our alternate history.  Iron Curtain: E Europe's reality.

Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zxcvbob on January 04, 2017, 12:07:51 AM
This show is one reason I don't need cable or satellite.  Good stuff.

On season two, episode two.

Was saying to myself late in season one, "You know your world is in a hell of a place when Adolf Hitler is the more reasonable alternative." 

[snip]

That's where I am.  Fixin' to go watch S2 E3 right now...
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: lupinus on January 04, 2017, 06:52:09 AM
Finished up season 2. Wow


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Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 23, 2018, 04:33:22 PM
Just finished Season 2. Excellent. There had better be a season 3 though! :)

The thread necromancer strikes again.

Season 3 starts October 5th.  Trailer is out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xunwv3rRWYo

Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: MechAg94 on August 23, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
I finally started watching The Expanse.  Amazon sucks you in with free season 1 and 2, then charges you to watch season 3.  Great series.  I keep wanting to stay up entirely too late to watch one more episode. 
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2018, 04:53:09 PM
The thread necromancer strikes again.

Season 3 starts October 5th.  Trailer is out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xunwv3rRWYo



It's about freakin' time! I'm getting sick to death of these practically two year gaps between seasons on some of these shows that I really like.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 23, 2018, 05:05:20 PM
It's about freakin' time! I'm getting sick to death of these practically two year gaps between seasons on some of these shows that I really like.

My pet peeve is the mid-season "breaks" that they like to do nowadays.  Just show the whole damn season already.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2018, 05:16:28 PM
My pet peeve is the mid-season "breaks" that they like to do nowadays.  Just show the whole damn season already.


Yes, that too. I don't understand either thing. Maybe the core audience likes that and we're just old? Or maybe it's marketing that gets people to buy the previous seasons to catch up and remember what the hell is going on?

All it does for me is make me want to mark my calendar for JAN2022 with, "Check on these shows from three years ago and now maybe you can watch them all at once."
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: p12 on August 23, 2018, 05:20:31 PM
Is this included in amazon prime?


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Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 23, 2018, 07:41:23 PM
Is this included in amazon prime?

Seasons 1 and 2 are included.  I believe Season 3 is as well, but I'm not 100% certain.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: MillCreek on November 20, 2019, 10:57:47 PM
As you all probably know, the fourth and final season of 'The Man in the High Castle' is now out on Amazon Prime.  A fitting end to the show and well worth your time.  Ten episodes of approximately one hour each.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Pb on November 21, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
Never saw the show, but the Man in the High Castle books is horrid.  Please don't read.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on November 25, 2019, 09:57:47 PM
Sadly, I have to give a thumbs down.

The first two seasons were phenomenal. Then (coincidentally after Trump was elected), the dumbass, political pushing, SJW writers that Amazon and Netflix hire went full throttle.

Season three was a gayfest for no other reason than to suddenly throw a bunch of gay characters and their lovemaking in. They made no sense to the rest of the plot, and in fact significantly went off the rails from the plot that was building through seasons one and two.

Season four. The Black Communist Resistance. Communism is the wave of the future for the US. That American flag is an evil relic. The Founding Fathers made a promise they didn't keep, but the commies will fix that and give everyone a happy life. Hurray for reparations! Clearly the millennial SJW writers have no idea how many more people died under communism than national socialism. In fact the western states would have been better off remaining under the barbaric rule of Japan. And that ending scene? It made no sense.  I even went all over the Internet looking in case I missed something, but no, it made no sense.

This is like the sixth show between Amazon and Netflix that I loved in the beginning, but then got destroyed in its last seasons (again, coincidentally over the last two years) with the commie pinko SJW political stuff.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: makattak on November 25, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
Sadly, I have to give a thumbs down.

The first two seasons were phenomenal. Then (coincidentally after Trump was elected), the dumbass, political pushing, SJW writers that Amazon and Netflix hire went full throttle.

Season three was a gayfest for no other reason than to suddenly throw a bunch of gay characters and their lovemaking in. They made no sense to the rest of the plot, and in fact significantly went off the rails from the plot that was building through seasons one and two.

Season four. The Black Communist Resistance. Communism is the wave of the future for the US. That American flag is an evil relic. The Founding Fathers made a promise they didn't keep, but the commies will fix that and give everyone a happy life. Hurray for reparations! Clearly the millennial SJW writers have no idea how many more people died under communism than national socialism. In fact the western states would have been better off remaining under the barbaric rule of Japan. And that ending scene? It made no sense.  I even went all over the Internet looking in case I missed something, but no, it made no sense.

This is like the sixth show between Amazon and Netflix that I loved in the beginning, but then got destroyed in its last seasons (again, coincidentally over the last two years) with the commie pinko SJW political stuff.

Prediction: the Mandalorian will similarly disappoint. Starting with season 3 after Trump is re-elected. (Season 2 will be filmed while they still think Warren or Buttijudge is going to defeat him, but season 3 will be full on RESISTANCE!!! from the insane Hollywood writers.)
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zahc on November 26, 2019, 10:16:36 AM
EXTREME SPOILERS

I agree the FIRST season was the best because they were being serious about portraying the social and political environment on both coasts, including excellent mashup architecture, music, and fashion. But after that, they got lazy and tried to carry it with plot, but it became a strange drama McGuffin-chase and basically it became plot-driven but it was a really confusing and not so interesting plot in the middle. For the last season, I was happy they simplified the plot, didn't add many shenanigans, and just made it about obtaining closure for the top few best characters.

I'm usually sensitive to gay propaganda, but I don't remember it. Sure there were a couple of characters, but it served the plot to show how they are persecuted. I mean it's san Francisco after all, do you think all the gay people would just disappear?
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on November 26, 2019, 11:22:28 AM

I'm usually sensitive to gay propaganda, but I don't remember it. Sure there were a couple of characters, but it served the plot to show how they are persecuted. I mean it's san Francisco after all, do you think all the gay people would just disappear?

Colorado and NY too. Colorado seemed especially off plot to me. I could understand the underground club in NYC - it was Babylon Berlinish.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2019, 11:50:12 AM
Persecuting gays is what Trump does in the SJW world and since Trump is a Nazi in the SJW world.........
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: 230RN on November 26, 2019, 12:25:08 PM
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Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zahc on November 26, 2019, 12:46:32 PM
Colorado and NY too. Colorado seemed especially off plot to me.

Colorado was a nexus in The Neutral Zone. So of course there was a concentration of Undesirables there. Including if you remember,  blacks, Muslims, the albino shoe-shine kid, etc. Of course it would not resemble the real-world Colorado.

I actually didn't find the BCR overly preachy, if anything it was un-realistic in it's ideology. In a world where blacks went straight from Jim Crow to concentration camps, I would expect such a movement to arise, and desiring an ethno-state would also be realistic. And aligning with communism is also realistic in a world that never saw the Soviet Union yet (it parallels HoChiMinh actually, who actually admired America quite a lot, including Thomas Jefferson and French revolutionary thinking; he just thought communism was a next step forward which is more understandable in a world that never saw late-stage communism, such a MitHC). The BCR were portrayed as wishing to right the injustices of the past with more egalitarianism. In reality, I think it's more likely that such a movement would be more exclusionary and closer to the Black Panthers.

Overall I think the portrayal of the Nazis was probably over done. They really would have taken over Europe if they had the bomb. They would have wanted to take over US, but unless they had nuclear subs, I don't think the US would have folded so quickly because it still takes reach to field nukes. It's more likely that Nazis would have taken over Europe there would have been a nuclear standoff between US and Nazis decades later once cruise missiles and nuclear subs came around.

Also if the Nazis did take over US it would have refined its propoganda. The Master Race thing just wouldn't have worked in the US. We are led to think that they exterminated all Jews and blacks in the US and I think that's highly unrealistic. It's much more likely they would have done something like the segregated South.

Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on November 26, 2019, 12:58:43 PM
Colorado was a nexus in The Neutral Zone. So of course there was a concentration of Undesirables there. Including if you remember,  blacks, Muslims, the albino shoe-shine kid, etc. Of course it would not resemble the real-world Colorado.

Sorry, I was unclear. I didn't mean Colorado in general, but whtshisname when he got to Colorado. No indications of him being gay earlier in SF, almost the opposite. Then all of a sudden he decides he wants to be some cowboy's horse when he gets to Denver. Just seemed contrived with no real tie-in to the seasons 1-2 plot.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: zahc on November 26, 2019, 01:02:03 PM
Sorry, I was unclear. I didn't mean Colorado in general, but whtshisname when he got to Colorado. No indications of him being gay earlier in SF, almost the opposite. Then all of a sudden he decides he wants to be some cowboy's horse when he gets to Denver. Just seemed contrived with no real tie-in to the seasons 1-2 plot.

Granted. I forgot that part.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2019, 01:08:57 PM


Overall I think the portrayal of the Nazis was probably over done. They really would have taken over Europe if they had the bomb. They would have wanted to take over US, but unless they had nuclear subs, I don't think the US would have folded so quickly because it still takes reach to field nukes. It's more likely that Nazis would have taken over Europe there would have been a nuclear standoff between US and Nazis decades later once cruise missiles and nuclear subs came around.


That would be pretty close to the world in Fatherland where the cold war was between the US and Germany

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109779/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_114

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland_(1994_film)
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on November 26, 2019, 01:13:41 PM

I actually didn't find the BCR overly preachy, if anything it was un-realistic in it's ideology. In a world where blacks went straight from Jim Crow to concentration camps, I would expect such a movement to arise, and desiring an ethno-state would also be realistic. And aligning with communism is also realistic in a world that never saw the Soviet Union yet (it parallels HoChiMinh actually, who actually admired America quite a lot, including Thomas Jefferson and French revolutionary thinking; he just thought communism was a next step forward which is more understandable in a world that never saw late-stage communism, such a MitHC).

Okay, yeah, I wasn't thinking about no USSR (which also, interestingly, I don't recall any mention of Russia at all, though I haven't watched the early seasons since they came out, so may be forgetting).

I did read while looking up the ending that it was the intent to make the BCR into a black panther analog. I just got a little torqued over the flag and "promises not kept" thing because they'd both been in the news prior to the release of season 4, so it seemed like pandering to the SJWs.
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Ben on November 27, 2019, 08:22:45 AM
Well, the actors apparently think they and the show are the Trump resistance.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-man-in-the-high-castle-why-a-happy-ending-wouldnt-work-as-a-part-of-its-legacy

Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: brimic on November 27, 2019, 09:15:53 AM
Well, the actors apparently think they and the show are the Trump resistance.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-man-in-the-high-castle-why-a-happy-ending-wouldnt-work-as-a-part-of-its-legacy



I'm not impressed with resistance unless they wear those red burkas...
Title: Re: Two thumbs up for 'The Man in the High Castle'
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 27, 2019, 01:14:38 PM
I'm not impressed with resistance unless they wear those red burkas...

You mean these?

(https://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/handmaids-tale-1492723159.jpg)

Different dystopian show.