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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Jamisjockey on October 12, 2015, 11:24:46 AM
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New thread for the new season.
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Sure, make me work. :P
Moving the season 6 posts from 5 to here.
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So, what would have been a better way to handle the hoard?
I give them some leeway, because it appears the whole sound sensitivity thing in this case is integral to what's happening in the plot, and the writers wanted this to happen. I'm betting on the "W's".
Otherwise, given the constant reminder of how sensitive the walkers are to sound, they should have known the great risk they were taking regarding potentially creating a forest full of walkers. I don't know if we've had any concrete evidence about the scarcity or not of gasoline, diesel, and other flammables, but there was the potential of just lighting a bunch of them on fire if they were bunched up.
Obviously wouldn't get them all, and probably not even a majority, but it could have cut down on the number of mobile walkers they were luring out of the quarry. Also possibly a brick of .22 to put down a bunch of them (they would have had time while they were fortifying for the march and before the semi gave way).
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Quoting Tommygunn, because I couldn't remember how to move a single post
Tactical thermonuclear bomb.
Yeah...I know....THEY DON'T HAVE ONE.
I don't think there IS a "better way." Anything they did involved an element of danger.
And ..what's-his-name? that got bit in the face at the end. ;/ Anyone not see THAT coming?
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I've not seen it yet, but hasn't anyone figured out that some modified heavy equipment might not be such a bad idea?
A wide cut combine?
A steam roller?
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I've not seen it yet, but hasn't anyone figured out that some modified heavy equipment might not be such a bad idea?
A wide cut combine?
A steam roller?
Good analysis, because there was a ton of heavy equipment sitting around in this episode. They kept saying that some semi trucks that were keeping the hoard in would give out (slide off the edge of a cliff) at anytime so they had to move fast. However, setting up some big dozers as even temporary "backup fortifications" would have given them more time to plan.
Like I said, it looks like they needed what happened to happen for the follow up episodes (looks like maybe they'll be on the run again), but if it were the real zombie Apocalypse, kind of a dumb decision given that even a single screaming guy was able to divert the entire hoard.
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I've not seen it yet, but hasn't anyone figured out that some modified heavy equipment might not be such a bad idea?
A wide cut combine?
A steam roller?
Combine would plug up very fast, or even break internally from the bones.
Steam roller, hells yeah but not very fast and bitch to turn. Also sucks off roading due to no traction on wheels
A sheepsfoot roller may work since the rear drive wheels are pneumatic. Or a killdozer with a sheepsfoot roller instead of a blade.
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I know that it is not possible to have a zombie apocalypse.
I would have figured out a way to remove the ramp on the quarry and seal in the open end to make it one big pit that they can't escape from.
Or find a open pit quarry near by and install a horn that calls the walkers in.
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I've not seen it yet, but hasn't anyone figured out that some modified heavy equipment might not be such a bad idea?
A wide cut combine?
A steam roller?
One of those mine flail tanks would be excellent.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/M4a4_flail_cfb_borden_1.JPG)
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You'd have to modify the combine quite a bit, remove the shrouds, reconfigure the roller so that it has blades instead of guides, remove the cutter/mower, make sure that it doesn't direct anything actually into the combine conveyer...
Plus, you'd probably want to reverse the direction of the roller so that it kicked zombies away instead of pulling them towards the machine.
Hum.... Maybe too much work to do it feasibly.
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Oh, if we're talking about just running them over, Boomhauer should jump in, but a D-13 with some armor welded on around the cab should do some damage. They run over all kinds of garbage at the dump and keep on going, so zombie bodies shouldn't be too much of a problem if you work your way in a little at a time from the edges of the hoard.
Also, everybody knows there will be a real zombie apocalypse. The whole reason all these zombie shows, books and video games are out there is the government preparing us for it. Charby is just naive or else a:
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Yeah explosives of some kind to take the ramp down out of the quarry might make it a better mousetrap.
Burning walkers can still function but it seems to make them less effective.
And yeah, that horn has got to be the W's.
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Oh, if we're talking about just running them over, Boomhauer should jump in, but a D-13 with some armor welded on around the cab should do some damage. They run over all kinds of garbage at the dump and keep on going, so zombie bodies shouldn't be too much of a problem if you work your way in a little at a time from the edges of the hoard.
Also, everybody knows there will be a real zombie apocalypse. The whole reason all these zombie shows, books and video games are out there is the government preparing us for it. Charby is just naive or else a:
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I offered some solutions, not a total stick in the mud.
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Yeah explosives of some kind to take the ramp down out of the quarry might make it a better mousetrap.
Burning walkers can still function but it seems to make them less effective.
And yeah, that horn has got to be the W's.
I agree that explosives would be much better than fire, especially in that quarry. However, I can't recall for sure, but explosives seem to be in short supply. I haven't seen them used much.
Also yeah, burning would only kill the walkers that get completely burned, but it might cripple many more and turn them into crawlers, which would more easily be dealt with and with less urgency.
I think we've established by now that gasoline in the Walking Dead universe either doesn't go bad, or goes bad more slowly than in the real world, so there should be plenty around. Even if it goes bad for vehicle use, it should still make effective Molotov cocktails and similar.
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One of those mine flail tanks would be excellent.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/M4a4_flail_cfb_borden_1.JPG)
Nice! Best anti zombie weapon yet----I'D pay good money to see this on T.W.D. [popcorn]
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I know that it is not possible to have a zombie apocalypse.
Killjoy.
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There's an old Bob Hope movie called THE GHOST BREAKERS in which Hope's character travels to a Caribbean island infested with zombies. Hope doesn't have a good idea of what a zombie is, so a companion explains they're mindless automotons who are only capable of following orders, they have no independent will.
So, Hope responds to this; "oh, you mean like democrats." =D
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There's an old Bob Hope movie called THE GHOST BREAKERS in which Hope's character travels to a Caribbean island infested with zombies. Hope doesn't have a good idea of what a zombie is, so a companion explains they're mindless automotons who are only capable of following orders, they have no independent will.
So, Hope responds to this; "oh, you mean like democrats." =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k
Many thanks, Angel Eyes. No matter how many times I see that, I still think it's great!!!
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I was not impressed. I'm not a fan of the type of timeline switching nor the black and white. I think it would have been better to just have had the episode in a normal timeline, maybe even have this episode be two separate ones. I got the black and white was supposed to denote the "past", but to me it felt like they were just trying to make it artsy.
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They were discussing the use of B&W in the episode on "Talking Dead," after the main show ended. A producer said they contemplated using other techniques -- like color saturation -- but they thought that looked too ..... "artsy" -- or whatever.
It worked OK for me, generally .... but I did for a minute or so at the beginning think that maybe they had to switch to B&W as a cost-saving measure considering how many zombies they needed..... [popcorn]
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I loved the time switching and appreciated the black and white.
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I've not seen it yet, but hasn't anyone figured out that some modified heavy equipment might not be such a bad idea?
A wide cut combine?
A steam roller?
There's a game on Xbox where you make improvised weapons to kill walkers. One of them is a motorcycle with a steamroller on the front, with spikes attached. It's hilarious fun
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They were discussing the use of B&W in the episode on "Talking Dead," after the main show ended. A producer said they contemplated using other techniques -- like color saturation -- but they thought that looked too ..... "artsy" -- or whatever.
It worked OK for me, generally .... but I did for a minute or so at the beginning think that maybe they had to switch to B&W as a cost-saving measure considering how many zombies they needed..... [popcorn]
Yeah. I saw that. I still disagree with them. To each there own. I haven't like other shows or movies that use such techniques either.
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I was not impressed. I'm not a fan of the type of timeline switching nor the black and white.
I'm inclined to agree. While flashbacks have their place, I think the episode would have worked better had they told the story chronologically.
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I'm inclined to agree. While flashbacks have their place, I think the episode would have worked better had they told the story chronologically.
I didn't really care one way or the other, but it did remind me of that one Seinfeld episode. :laugh:
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There's an old Bob Hope movie called THE GHOST BREAKERS in which Hope's character travels to a Caribbean island infested with zombies. Hope doesn't have a good idea of what a zombie is, so a companion explains they're mindless automotons who are only capable of following orders, they have no independent will.
So, Hope responds to this; "oh, you mean like democrats." =D
I guffawed!
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Well, we know who was honking the horn.
Without over-spoiling, it seems odd that the W's have no firearms. Nearly everyone and their brother has a gun, even if it's just one or a few for a group. With the savageness of the W's, it seems like they should have guns to spare. Unless there is something even more sinister going on that forces them not to have any, given the one W's comment at the end of the episode. Also, do we know who took Rick's hidden Glock last season?
Also I guess Carol's secret is out. :laugh: Though I would have kept someone alive for intel.
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All I can say about that episode is WOW. Holy crap on a cracker WOW!
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I love Carol
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Morgan is going to be a liability IMO. Letting those loons escape so they can regroup and share what they know about Alexandria and its inhabitants. And now at least one of the Wolves has a firearm. Not good. Maybe he's been watching too many Kung Fu reruns.
And yes, Carol is badass.
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Morgan might have seen through his idiocy when he did that at least. I feel like he might have killed that last dude.
Carol being Carol. She's brutal and it's why she's still alive. She's such a chameleon I love how she took the risk of identifying as a W to get to the armory.
Oh and I feel like the W's are definitely some kind of cult, and that's why they aren't armed. The upper ups will be, but the soldiers, not so much.
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Oh and I feel like the W's are definitely some kind of cult, and that's why they aren't armed. The upper ups will be, but the soldiers, not so much.
That's my hunch as well: a cult out to "cleanse the world" or some such.
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That's my hunch as well: a cult out to "cleanse the world" or some such.
Yeah, even when the cannibals killed people, they just killed them efficiently for their needs. These guys seem to take their time and keep hacking and stabbing long after their enemy is dead.
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Well, we know who was honking the horn.
Without over-spoiling, it seems odd that the W's have no firearms. Nearly everyone and their brother has a gun, even if it's just one or a few for a group. With the savageness of the W's, it seems like they should have guns to spare. Unless there is something even more sinister going on that forces them not to have any, given the one W's comment at the end of the episode. Also, do we know who took Rick's hidden Glock last season?
Also I guess Carol's secret is out. :laugh: Though I would have kept someone alive for intel.
Was that the guy talking to Morgan? If so, what did he say to him? I watched that part a couple of times without being able to understand what he said before I erased the episode from my DVR.
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"If so, what did he say to him?"
What did Morgan say to the Wolf?
"I'm sorry."
And then he whacks him with the quarter staff, leaving the clear impression that he killed him.
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"If so, what did he say to him?"
What did Morgan say to the Wolf?
"I'm sorry."
And then he whacks him with the quarter staff, leaving the clear impression that he killed him.
What did the Wolf say to Morgan?
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Oh, something about "You can't do it, can you," which I took to mean that he didn't think Morgan could take his life.
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What did the Wolf say to Morgan?
Well, there were two Wolves in the end interacting with Morgan. The one Mike is referring to first said something like "You can't, can you?" (referring to Morgan not killing him) "You should have." Then Morgan wacks him.
The other guy is from the group Morgan ran into last season and is the one who took the pistol before he left. After Morgan tells him to change his ways, he says something along the lines of "I can't" or "I don't have a choice". I'm paraphrasing because I erased the episode as well, but that was pretty close. Which is why the "cult" speculation is going on.
Edit: Mike got in while I was writing my reply.
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Oh, something about "You can't do it, can you," which I took to mean that he didn't think Morgan could take his life.
Thank you...for some reason I kept hearing it as "mumble, mumble...is that you?..."
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Well, there were two Wolves in the end interacting with Morgan. The one Mike is referring to first said something like "You can't, can you?" (referring to Morgan not killing him) "You should have." Then Morgan wacks him.
The other guy is from the group Morgan ran into last season and is the one who took the pistol before he left. After Morgan tells him to change his ways, he says something along the lines of "I can't" or "I don't have a choice". I'm paraphrasing because I erased the episode as well, but that was pretty close. Which is why the "cult" speculation is going on.
Edit: Mike got in while I was writing my reply.
I will need to watch that previous episode again when it becomes available...I missed that connection.
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Well, there were two Wolves in the end interacting with Morgan. The one Mike is referring to first said something like "You can't, can you?" (referring to Morgan not killing him) "You should have." Then Morgan wacks him.
The other guy is from the group Morgan ran into last season and is the one who took the pistol before he left. After Morgan tells him to change his ways, he says something along the lines of "I can't" or "I don't have a choice". I'm paraphrasing because I erased the episode as well, but that was pretty close. Which is why the "cult" speculation is going on.
Edit: Mike got in while I was writing my reply.
BOTH of the Wolves with whom Morgan interacts at the end - the one who takes the pistol and the Goth boy -- were the ones he encountered last season and whom he left stranded in the car.
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BOTH of the Wolves with whom Morgan interacts at the end - the one who takes the pistol and the Goth boy -- were the ones he encountered last season and whom he left stranded in the car.
I didn't even catch that regarding the other guy. You almost need to binge watch the whole previous season of this show before the new season starts to remind yourself of what's going on (or have a better memory than me). :laugh:
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NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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*expletive deleted*ing bastard ahole mother *expletive deleted*ers!
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Please let it be a hallucination. ..
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Yeah, that sucked. Gotta give the writers credit for wrapping the audience up in it all though.
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Wait. Episode 1 the flashback scene...
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Wait. Episode 1 the flashback scene...
I don't remember.
On IMDB though, they said he's been spotted on the set filming future scenes with a new character, so that would be a giveaway that this was one big tease. Somebody else said that the "dumbass" comment on the radio also gave it away, but I don't remember how that relates either.
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Season 1, Rick is trapped in the tank in Atlanta. Glen comes over the radio -- "Hey Dumbass, you comfortable in there," or something like that.
After Beth was killed last season, I had hoped we were seeing the end of deaths of regular characters for awhile. I really hope that this was some sort of hallucination that Glen had from the shock of seeing Nicholas blow his brains out.
The B&W flashback scenes in episode 1 make it seem as if Glen is part of the crew that gathers in Alexandria after the Wolves and the heard is dealt with.
AND I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY NO ONE HAS FIGURED OUT THE SIMPLEST *expletive deleted*ing BODY ARMOR!
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. . . AND I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY NO ONE HAS FIGURED OUT THE SIMPLEST *expletive deleted*ing BODY ARMOR!
The figured it out - Glen had body armor back in the prison settlement days - but everyone else seems to have forgotten about it.
When I saw how the woman in charge of the armory was quivering during the W attack - with access to more guns & ammo than a person could carry - it was just . . . . :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
(Hmm . . . the evil bad guys are painting "W" on themselves . . . wonder if there's a political subtext the writers are working in because of how they feel about a previous POTUS . . . [tinfoil] )
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Season 1, Rick is trapped in the tank in Atlanta. Glen comes over the radio -- "Hey Dumbass, you comfortable in there," or something like that.
Ah, okay - I thought you meant episode 1 this season, given that it was half flashbacks.
The hallucination scene would be a way to keep Glenn alive (and I've seen it mentioned elsewhere), but I would have to take back my kudos to the writers. That's kind of a weak "Dallas" way to do it. Also weak would be that the guts being eaten were those of Nicholas laying on top of Glenn, and Glenn somehow escaping being underneath a bazillion walkers bite free.
I also agree, we would have seen half the character deaths if people had been wearing nothing additional but long sleeved leather jackets. Or gloves for Pete's sake, considering how often they dispatch zombies with 4" blades.
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Well, episode 1 of this season also figures in.
I could swear there was a scene, which looked as if it were one of the "after the wolfes/herd had been dealt with," that included Glenn.
Which would mean that he didn't die.
But the dumb ass comment was definitely from season 1 episode 1 or 2, can't remember exactly which.
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Interesting article from Vox...
Of course, them being libby pantywaist commie arseholz, they want Glen to be dead...
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/26/9614306/the-walking-dead-episode-3-recap-glenn-dead
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Interesting article from Vox...
Of course, them being libby pantywaist commie arseholz, they want Glen to be dead...
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/26/9614306/the-walking-dead-episode-3-recap-glenn-dead
Nice of them to put the spoiler right in the URL. Jackwagons.
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Also weak would be that the guts being eaten were those of Nicholas laying on top of Glenn, and Glenn somehow escaping being underneath a bazillion walkers bite free.
Weak, perhaps, but I think this is the correct answer. If Glenn covered himself in ichor, he might escape. The angle of the guts being consumed didn't look right to me, so I think you got it.
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If Glenn covered himself in ichor, he might escape.
But wouldn't it have to be walker guts vs Nicholas guts? I would think Nicholas guts would attract walkers, being "fresh" and all.
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But wouldn't it have to be walker guts vs Nicholas guts? I would think Nicholas guts would attract walkers, being "fresh" and all.
Yes. But he might have been able to just squirm out while they're chowing on Nicholas. Glenn has gotten out of some seriously tight spots before, it's his specialty.
Glenn had body armor as recently as last season. It's the heavy riot gear stuff and he said it was heavy to wear.
That said, if we're talking TWD zombies, I'm heading to a motorcycle shop for some leather.
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Glenn had body armor as recently as last season. It's the heavy riot gear stuff and he said it was heavy to wear.
Didn't Glenn lose the body armor at Terminus? I seem to recall Rick spotted one of the Termites wearing it when he arrived.
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Body armor? Great idea. Or there's this...
https://youtu.be/Uo66cJT6hWw
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Body armor? Great idea. Or there's this...
https://youtu.be/Uo66cJT6hWw
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I'm going with that being Nicholas being munched on top of glen. Still pretty far fetched though.
They did not mention glen in the people the got killed on the talking dead show.
I did not read the novel, but according to some others he is alive much later in the books.
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Was Glenn screaming while being ripped apart? Even if they were ripping into the other guy wouldn't they then start on Glenn?
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I watched Talking Dead last night, and they had a note from one of the show's producers, who said (rather cagily) that Glen would be seen in one form or another in coming episodes.
Of course, that doesn't mean squat about whether heads dead or zed chow, as he could be seen in hallucinations (aka Beth), flashbacks, or even as a zombie himself.
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Entertainment Tonight thinks Glenn is still alive: http://www.etonline.com/news/174749_the_walking_dead_glenn_is_alive_steven_yeun/
Hard to see how he could have possibly escaped all those walkers, though.
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I get that it's a zombie show... but there comes a point where you risk turning a lot of people off by killing a pivotal character.
If glenn is dead, they may have reached that point with me.
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I get that it's a zombie show... but there comes a point where you risk turning a lot of people off by killing a pivotal character.
If glenn is dead, they may have reached that point with me.
So far most of the people getting killed this season are either the lambs or the wolves. The lambs more so from being so clueless to the world outside their walls and being stubbornly ignorant (almost proud) of it.
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I get that it's a zombie show... but there comes a point where you risk turning a lot of people off by killing a pivotal character.
If glenn is dead, they may have reached that point with me.
I think this show is something different, though. It's always been pretty clear that the only TRULY pivotal characters are Rick and Carl. People who know the comics already know that they're the only two completely safe characters.
The producers have never been shy about saying that they'd kill off anyone to move the story forward.
How many pivotal characters have come and gone already?
Shane
Lori (debatable on how pivotal she was, but I personally think she was)
Dale
Herschel
Lori
the Gov (although by the time he was killed he wasn't as pivotal)
Beth (she didn't start out as pivotal, but she became pivotal)
Tyrees
So far the one that's caused the most angst was Beth, I think in a lot of ways because she was a very sympathetic character who had a hidden depth and strength to her.
I think the two characters who might cause riots if they're killed off are Darryl and Carol.
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Well, I have to say last night's episode was not all that bad. I was expecting 90 minutes of Morgan's feelings to be a snoozefest. It explained what happened to him in a way that kinda sorta explains why he went overboard on what we would consider tactical mistakes in dealing with the living. The end scene might have set up his becoming more rational about dealing with the living (or maybe not).
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I really thought he had killed that guy.
I'm bummed that John Carol Lynch won't be a regular, or semi-regular. I really like him as an actor.
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Well, I have to say last night's episode was not all that bad. I was expecting 90 minutes of Morgan's feelings to be a snoozefest. It explained what happened to him in a way that kinda sorta explains why he went overboard on what we would consider tactical mistakes in dealing with the living. The end scene might have set up his becoming more rational about dealing with the living (or maybe not).
I just finished watching it. Excellent story. I really hope Morgan is on for a long while to come.
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Morgan seems to be an all-or-nothing kind of guy. Kill 'em all, or kill no one. Stop at nothing to survive, or beg someone to kill him. Find a spot in the middle, dude.
Great episode though.
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The way Eastman got bitten was kind of contrived.
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The way Eastman got bitten was kind of contrived.
I sort of thought the same thing...
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Well at least someone on the show realized the practicality of the pointy stick in dealing with zombies. Other than just a static defense that is.
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The way Eastman got bitten was kind of contrived.
Yeah, considering his skill and awareness dealing with the living, who have faster reflexes, they could at least have made it a fight against a dozen or so walkers. It would have at least been a little more plausible then. Or better yet, killed by one of the Wolves, which would have really tested Morgan's resolve.
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Yes. But he might have been able to just squirm out while they're chowing on Nicholas. Glenn has gotten out of some seriously tight spots before, it's his specialty.
Glenn had body armor as recently as last season. It's the heavy riot gear stuff and he said it was heavy to wear.
That said, if we're talking TWD zombies, I'm heading to a motorcycle shop for some leather.
I wasn't thinking of the leathers so much as motocross protective gear. It has gaps, but not that bad. Even a few layers of duct tape would probably provide some protection or at least cover the gaps.
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You know, I had a thought about something regarding Glenn...
Bear with the scenario here...
1. We know that zombies only eat fresh catch, not each other.
2. We know from season 1 (Glenn and Rick), season 2 (Michonne), and season 5 (Carol) that the Zs can be decoyed by smearing yourself up with Z guts.
3. We know from all of the seasons that the Zeds are getting progressively... squishier. As they were herding the mass out of the quarry some of them were literally exploding against that corrugated wall that they built around that curve in the road as they were crushed up against it by the Zs in back of them. Sort of like the people in front of the stage at a rap concert when the people in the back surge forward.
4. We know that Glenn and Nicholas were in a blind alley closed off by a fence and dumpster with Zed on both sides of the fence pushing towards the center point.
OK, here's my theory.
Glen is alive. Not in a good position, but alive, because...
As Nicholas fell and took Glenn down, Nick the Dick fell on top of Glenn. Those were Nick's guts we saw flying out.
The gunshot that NtD fired into his coconut is going to get the Zs REALLY pushing towards the center point, HARD. In fact, hard enough that the ones at the center point are pretty much going to liquify, and it's going to be a regular Blood and Guts *expletive deleted*it Storm, right on top of Glenn.
Glen is going to get covered with this stuff whether he likes it or not. He's now wearing Eau d'Zombie No. 5, and as such, while the zombies are chowing on Nick's festering carcass, Glenn literally disappears off their radar.
I'll say it again.
Glen is alive.
He's not going to be smelling too pleasant, in fact he might be so gross that Maggie pukes up lunch AND the baby, but he's alive.
That was the strangled "Help!" that Abraham, Sasha, and Darryl heard as they were motoring down the highway in the fuel truck.
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That definitely sounded like Glen on the radio.
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That definitely sounded like Glen on the radio.
Definitely wasn't Rick.
Regarding the last episode ("Always Accountable"), anyone else think that box of cigars was in remarkably good condition? And why would U.S. military personnel have an RPG-7?
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Definitely wasn't Rick.
Regarding the last episode ("Always Accountable"), anyone else think that box of cigars was in remarkably good condition?
Heh, I was thinking the same thing, and laughed when he even rolled the cigar. I was expecting it to crack apart. I guess it's that humid East Coast that preserved them. :laugh:
On the RPG, I would assume the storyline would be that when things got bad, protocol went out the window. Might have even been a soldier(s) that grabbed stuff from a base in chaos and went on the lam.
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We don't have many live RPG rounds lying around on military bases... few to none that would actually go boom....training/dummy ones, sure but not live ones...
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We don't have many live RPG rounds lying around on military bases... few to none that would actually go boom....training/dummy ones, sure but not live ones...
Maybe the walker was a Syrian refugee.
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Definitely wasn't Rick.
Regarding the last episode ("Always Accountable"), anyone else think that box of cigars was in remarkably good condition? And why would U.S. military personnel have an RPG-7?
Same preservation mechanism as what is keeping all of the gasoline and car batteries nice and fresh.
As for the RPG, yeah, I just rolled my eyes on that.
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I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that none of you are picking my Glen theory apart...
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Back in the Cold War there used to be an OPFOR unit that was all decked out with Soviet gear. This included live fire familiarization so our boys weren't stuck trying to read Cyrillic henscratches in the middle of combat. So I'm just going to pretend I believe that's where the RPG-7 came from.
Right?
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We don't have many live RPG rounds lying around on military bases... few to none that would actually go boom....training/dummy ones, sure but not live ones...
Where is stuff like that (I'm assuming detcord is included :lol: ) kept? Or going from the other direction, what would a soldier on a run of the mill base be able to get their hands on if escaping zombies, nobody stopped them, and if they had keys to everything?
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I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that none of you are picking my Glen theory apart...
I kind of like your theory, better than the "he crawled into a sewer" or "he pulled the dumpster on top of himself" theories I've heard around work. I hope he's alive, mainly because he's been a pretty good character, and if they are going to kill him off, let it at least be a heroic or meaningful death.
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I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that none of you are picking my Glen theory apart...
Heh. If up to this point some of the death defying escapes were more believable, you might have an argument on your hands. Given some of the previous escapes, yours is one of the more plausible explanations.
I think the only place there's nits to pick is how he gets through that hoard. The fence blocks him on one side, and he has a crushing number of walkers on the other. So I guess we have to assume that either he somehow works his way through all those walkers, or they somehow have their attention diverted somewhere else. It could be that the diversion is coming up, if he got his "help" out while he was stuck under a bazillion walkers that, while not noticing him, weren't getting out of his way either. The cavalry may arrive and create a diversion.
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Ah.... I don't think he has gotten through the hoard. I think he's still stuck in it, the cork in the end of the bottle that is the alley. Given how hard they're pressing down that alley, I don't think he could force his way through them; he's completely hemmed in on both sides because remember (and as I said) there are walkers on BOTH sides of that fence, and they're all pushing towards the sound of the gunshot.
But, as I said, he's covered with goopy camouflage. That "help!" on the radio was his desperate attempt to see if someone was around to, as you noted, divert the herd, or at least change its direction, and allow him to shuffle out to safety. He's going to have to be very careful, though, about using the radio, because anything other than growling tends to get the Zs agitated.
I think his biggest problem right now is simply finding a way to keep from being crushed to death. The walkers might have lost a lot of weight, but there's still a lot of them exerting a lot of force in one direction.
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I think his biggest problem right now is simply finding a way to keep from being crushed to death. The walkers might have lost a lot of weight, but there's still a lot of them exerting a lot of force in one direction.
I reckon that's where the writers need to use artistic license for the story and the viewers need to suspend disbelief. When you read stories from the real world about people being crushed / suffocated to death in relatively minor crowds, you have to figure he'd be dead by now. Though he could have wormed his way under the vehicle, possibly after the walkers were no longer focused on him being the serving plate for their Nicksgiving feast, which would not only give him protection, but a little cover for using the radio.
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I don't recall seeing a vehicle. I do recall seeing a dumpster, and an exterior stairs on the side of the one building that had been blocked off.
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I don't recall seeing a vehicle. I do recall seeing a dumpster, and an exterior stairs on the side of the one building that had been blocked off.
Ah, okay. I've already forgotten the scene. Somehow I was thinking they were on the roof of a panel truck or something. Don't think even skinny Glen is gonna squeeze under a dumpster. :)
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No, they climbed on top of a dumpster.
Hard to tell whether he could squeeze under it or not. Some I've seen have set pretty high off the ground.
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Same preservation mechanism as what is keeping all of the gasoline and car batteries nice and fresh.
As for the RPG, yeah, I just rolled my eyes on that.
Whenever stuff like this appears in a movie or a show, most of the time I assume that the show takes place in another reality almost just the same as ours, with a few minor changes in, for example laws, or changes in when device X was invented (or for that matter, changes in the laws of physics)...so this neatly explains the crates of C96 Mauser pistols in Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows. Another reality, almost exactly like ours, just that the Feederle brothers managed to invent it a few years ahead of schedule compared to our reality. Same with the Marvel movies. Universe very much like hours, just that the laws of physics allows for things like the Hulk to exist, or for the Iron Man suit to function, etc.
So, The Walking Dead takes place in another universe, where for some reason, RPG-7s can be expected to be found in America. Perhaps the US Army got hold of a large number of them for some reason? Perhaps there's no 1968 Gun Control Act, so Destructive Devices are available over the counter, even though many shops probably won't have them for sale purely because they aren't comfortable with storing high explosives on their premises.
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What would be the US equivalent. I mean, we've all seen RPG7s on the news & You Tube. so everyone "knows"
what they're looking at. I can't remember the last time I saw a shoulder fired rocket something other than thee RPG7 on TV or in Movies.
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The most probable reason for the RPG-7 is the producers thought "cool, a bazooka! It will be real cool to have it on our AMC show!"
Not realizing that the weapon is a Russian weapon.
Or is that explanation too pedantic? [popcorn]
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What would be the US equivalent. I mean, we've all seen RPG7s on the news & You Tube. so everyone "knows"
what they're looking at. I can't remember the last time I saw a shoulder fired rocket something other than thee RPG7 on TV or in Movies.
Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle)
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Either the LAW or AT4.
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Told you so.
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YES!
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Glen lives!!!!!
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Okay, skinny Glen slid under the dumpster. :laugh:
My question now is, who cried for help on the radio? Unless I missed it, Glen didn't do so while under the dumpster. Possibly someone from next week's episode? I'm not sure what the episode time synch is between the bait vehicle scenes and Alexandria.
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It's a 24 hour sequence. My bet on who called is now the couple who stole Darryl's bike.
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It's a 24 hour sequence. My bet on who called is now the couple who stole Darryl's bike.
That was my thought too at the time. I didn't even consider Glen until you guys mentioned it a few posts ago.
Chris
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One thing that changed for me in last night's episode is that there is now a *expletive deleted*che teenager on there so bad that I'm rooting for Carl. :laugh:
Then there was this (paraphrased):
Rick to Maggie: "We've got lots of time to think things through and do everything right."
Michonne to Rick: "What about getting the Alexandria people in on this?"
Rick to Michonne: "We don't have time."*
:laugh:
*Yes, I know this was just Rick still not trusting the residents.
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Wait what? I watched the last episode and missed the Glenn alive part. I must have dozed off :old:
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Glen alive happened in like the first 5 minutes...
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Oh, and no one is freaking losing their minds that Lori is back?
(In the form of Judith, as observed by Maggie?)
No cry and hue for Judith to be fed to walkers because she's worthless, idealistic, and weak?
Wow. You guys surprise me...
But, I bet had Maggie said Judith was beginning to look a lot like Shane the walker feeding would have happened.... >:D
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It's a 24 hour sequence. My bet on who called is now the couple who stole Darryl's bike.
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Me too.
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Well, I would have never guessed who the "help" came from.
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I may have to stop watching after tonight. When the Wolf had a knife to the Doc two women, who regularly make running head shots, give up their weapons rather than open fire. STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!!
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I may have to stop watching after tonight. When the Wolf had a knife to the Doc two women, who regularly make running head shots, give up their weapons rather than open fire. STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!!
Indeed. That was even worse than Morgan's stupidity. Speaking of which: when someone says he's going to kill you, take him at his word.
And then there's Sam.
"Mom."
"Mom."
"Mom."
"MOM!"
When you're trying to sneak through a herd of walkers, shut the *expletive deleted*ck up. Seriously, I hope he gets eaten.
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Yup, several WTFs in this episode. I want both her kids to be eaten. Regarding the Wolf, as much as Morgan is to blame, Carol was not too bright creating her "must kill him now" distraction. It looks like the writers are making her and Morgan Ying and Yang.
Then of course the topper of "let's give the maniac who kills everybody just for fun our guns because all of a sudden we have can no longer make miraculous head shots".
I thought that the scenes with Deanna, Rick, and Michonne were really good though.
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Yeah, these last few episodes have really had a LOT of :facepalm: moments in them...
It's about time they pulled out the walker camouflage again.
And the whole time Alexandria has been surrounded I've been wondering... did the walkers really flood the ENTIRE circumference? That really doesn't make much sense...
and...
Why the hell haven't they been working to reduce the numbers with a little stabby stabby from the walls?
and
If they did surround the entire circumference, why haven't they worked to open a gap through which someone could get outside (using the aforementioned walker camouflage) WITH THE GODDAMNED FLARE GUNS THAT RICK SAYS ARE IN THE ARMORY AND START SHOOTING THE DAMNED FLARES TO START THE HERD MOVING AWAY?!!!
I really like this show, but given that Rick's group has been working through and surviving for the past couple of years, you'd think that they would have learned at least a FEW things about surviving walkers.
I know the writers are trying to make things dramatic, but it's really getting to the point where they're being insulting as hell to the fan base because they have the characters make the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over.
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Yeah, these last few episodes have really had a LOT of :facepalm: moments in them...
It's about time they pulled out the walker camouflage again.
And the whole time Alexandria has been surrounded I've been wondering... did the walkers really flood the ENTIRE circumference? That really doesn't make much sense...
and...
Why the hell haven't they been working to reduce the numbers with a little stabby stabby from the walls?
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If they did surround the entire circumference, why haven't they worked to open a gap through which someone could get outside (using the aforementioned walker camouflage) WITH THE GODDAMNED FLARE GUNS THAT RICK SAYS ARE IN THE ARMORY AND START SHOOTING THE DAMNED FLARES TO START THE HERD MOVING AWAY?!!!
I really like this show, but given that Rick's group has been working through and surviving for the past couple of years, you'd think that they would have learned at least a FEW things about surviving walkers.
I know the writers are trying to make things dramatic, but it's really getting to the point where they're being insulting as hell to the fan base because they have the characters make the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over.
This whole thing with the walkers at the walls made me think that with a .22 rifle, a couple of bricks of ammo, a couple of days of work, the whole herd could have been eliminated with minimal effort. Hell, even after they came through the fence, sitting on a roof picking off walkers wouldn't have been too hard.
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This whole thing with the walkers at the walls made me think that with a .22 rifle, a couple of bricks of ammo, a couple of days of work, the whole herd could have been eliminated with minimal effort. Hell, even after they came through the fence, sitting on a roof picking off walkers wouldn't have been too hard.
.22 apparently does not exist in the Walking Dead universe.
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This whole thing with the walkers at the walls made me think that with a .22 rifle, a couple of bricks of ammo, a couple of days of work, the whole herd could have been eliminated with minimal effort. Hell, even after they came through the fence, sitting on a roof picking off walkers wouldn't have been too hard.
I've been screaming about a Ruger 10/22 and Hot Lips mags for years.
Why in the hell did they apparently forget about, or abandon, suppressors?
If they were smart, they'd go back to the damned quarry, blow the road to turn it into a pit in the ground, and turn it into one hell of a big walker trap.
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Yup, several WTFs in this episode. I want both her kids to be eaten. Regarding the Wolf, as much as Morgan is to blame, Carol was not too bright creating her "must kill him now" distraction.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Carol have a handgun in a holster on her hip? Why resort to the knife? Because the writers wanted to make the fight "fair" (knife vs. quarterstaff)?
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One more thing that puzzles me . . . walkers are attracted to noise, right? Well, when walkers start gasping (some variation of "ARGGGH!") . . . why don't they attract other walkers? Seems like there should be big piles of walkers around the countryside, all making gasping noises, with hardly any walking around loose by themselves . . .
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Carol have a handgun in a holster on her hip? Why resort to the knife? Because the writers wanted to make the fight "fair" (knife vs. quarterstaff)?
My guess is that she didn't want to attract walkers. Then again, they all seem to enjoy using itty bitty knives all the time. Plus yeah, shooting him first thing takes away from all the drama. Kinda like in James Bond movies where the villain talks on and on about how he's gonna kill Bond, then Bond escapes and kills the villain. :laugh:
Though you can kill a bad guy first thing and without a lot of talk and still have drama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMRhP-zji8
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Though you can kill a bad guy first thing and without a lot of talk and still have drama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMRhP-zji8
Yes you can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP9eiXMPLcQ
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Yes you can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP9eiXMPLcQ
A classic! :laugh:
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A classic! :laugh:
Including Costner peeling off about 15 shots in a row from a Peacemaker...
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Getting back on topic, a teaser for the second half of the season was shown during Into The Badlands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i0xd7Ksuc
Those familiar with the comics know who Negan is.
Just wondering if Negan's people are the ones that D, Tina, and Honey were running from in "Always Accountable." Presumably they're also the ones who ambushed Abraham and Sasha.
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Then there was the group that was trapped in the garage until Eugene picked the lock. How hard would it be to cut a peephole in the drywall to check for walkers in the next room, then open it up to make your own door?
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Including Costner peeling off about 15 shots in a row from a Peacemaker...
Thirteen. =D
I forgive it though as it was a great Western, as is just about every Western that features Robert Duvall as an old cowpoke. I didn't really like his acting or his movies much in his younger years, but he rocks the old cowboy role, or any "been there" old guy role, like in "Secondhand Lions".
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"How hard would it be to cut a peephole in the drywall to check for walkers in the next room, then open it up to make your own door?"
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD! REALLY, REALLY, HARD!!!
So hard that even Eugen didn't think about it.
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Thirteen. =D
I forgive it though as it was a great Western, as is just about every Western that features Robert Duvall as an old cowpoke. I didn't really like his acting or his movies much in his younger years, but he rocks the old cowboy role, or any "been there" old guy role, like in "Secondhand Lions".
"Secondhand Lions"...the speech that every young man should listen to. Not hear, but really listen to, as they reach the age when they become a man. Hell, they should live that movie...Honor, integrity, things that mean something in an age where that lesson seems forgotten.
On yeah, Eugene is an idiot.
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This whole thing with the walkers at the walls made me think that with a .22 rifle, a couple of bricks of ammo, a couple of days of work, the whole herd could have been eliminated with minimal effort. Hell, even after they came through the fence, sitting on a roof picking off walkers wouldn't have been too hard.
Now, that sounds like an afternoon of fun....sitting in the tower with my Winchester 9422, bursting walkers' skulls one by one by one.
Then I make that mouthy kid clean it all up. >:D
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Then I make that mouthy kid clean it all up. >:D
Shouldn't he be your first target? My defensive pistol instructor says, "always shoot the mouthy one first." =D
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if there were any other zombie series on the air, I would not watch this lame excuse for a show. Lord, but TWD has gone to hell in a handbasket.
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Getting back on topic, a teaser for the second half of the season was shown during Into The Badlands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i0xd7Ksuc
Those familiar with the comics know who Negan is.
Just wondering if Negan's people are the ones that D, Tina, and Honey were running from in "Always Accountable." Presumably they're also the ones who ambushed Abraham and Sasha.
I just got around to watching this clip and am wondering why they stopped, like three deer caught in the headlights.
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I just got around to watching this clip and am wondering why they stopped, like three deer caught in the headlights.
I think Triphammer covered that in Reply 112.
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I'm wondering why Abraham didn't whip out his new boomie toy.
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if there were any other zombie series on the air, I would not watch this lame excuse for a show. Lord, but TWD has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Do you approve of anything other than The Guiding Light and All My Children?
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if there were any other zombie series on the air, I would not watch this lame excuse for a show. Lord, but TWD has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Znation on SyFy.
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A) I want that little *expletive deleted*it to be eaten. "Mom. Mom. Mom." God damn how does that little twerp become so sheltered during the *expletive deleted*ing ZA?
B) I think they only stopped for dramatic effect. Given Rick's persona overall, they would have just kept moving.
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Looks like the second half of the season starts on Sunday.
Now I'm just waiting for the delayed season of "Archer" to start, as well as the final episodes of 'Hell on Wheels".
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DVR is set.
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THAT IS GONNA LEAVE A MARK!!!
Well, I wondered how Daryl & Co. we're going to deal with those waylayers.
The missiles sure came in handy in this episode.
And what a riot!
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Plus the bonus of that whole worthless family. =D
Great episode though. :)
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Plus the bonus of that whole worthless family. =D
Great episode though. :)
Rick needs to find some new tail now.
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One of the best episodes of the series. The killing montage was beautiful.
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A) I want that little *expletive deleted*it to be eaten. "Mom. Mom. Mom." God damn how does that little twerp become so sheltered during the *expletive deleted*ing ZA?
You got your wish.
(and so did I)
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Chew on that.
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Too bad for Rick his nascent girlfriend got munched. No loss at all with her two kids becoming Zombie Chow®, however. Glad to see both of them go.
The preacherman grew a pair, and so did the fake scientist guy. That was unexpected.
Carol got to put the coup de grâce on that dirt bag that Morgan refused to off. More proof that she was born again hard.
I wonder if Morgan is going to get his act together finally? I hope so, as I like his character.
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Why can't every episode be like that? AH-MAZING!
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So the dude Daryl blew up wasn't Negan?
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So the dude Daryl blew up wasn't Negan?
I believe the bikers were some of Negan's minions.
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I believe the bikers were some of Negan's minions.
Exactly.
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Too bad for Rick his nascent girlfriend got munched. No loss at all with her two kids becoming Zombie Chow®, however. Glad to see both of them go.
The preacherman grew a pair, and so did the fake scientist guy. That was unexpected.
Carol got to put the coup de grâce on that dirt bag that Morgan refused to off. More proof that she was born again hard.
I wonder if Morgan is going to get his act together finally? I hope so, as I like his character.
Black male characters on TWD are like red shirts on Star Trek. He's toast. =)
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Black male characters on TWD are like red shirts on Star Trek. He's toast. =)
When Carol started muttering "I should have killed you[Morgan]" I began to wonder if she might have some unfinished business with him.
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That's strike two for Morgan, in which he left people go who later tried to kill Alexandrians. I don't think anyone is really pleased.
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Rick and Michonne sittin' in a tree...
Okay, another lame move nit to pick: Why did they give up the car when they found the truck? Bad tactics. They knew their car was in good shape. Truck was an unknown quantity with fuel of an unknown condition. One guy shoulda drove the car and one guy the truck. In fact the truck did break down when Jesus was driving it.
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It's not often one gets to die twice on the show.
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Rick and Michonne sittin' in a tree...
Okay, another lame move nit to pick: Why did they give up the car when they found the truck? Bad tactics. They knew their car was in good shape. Truck was an unknown quantity with fuel of an unknown condition. One guy shoulda drove the car and one guy the truck. In fact the truck did break down when Jesus was driving it.
Sometimes I really think that they've survived the Zompocalypse in spite of themselves, not because they're good at it.
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My nitpicking aside, I do have to say that I liked this episode. Even though it wasn't really action packed, I thought it was a good, "day in the life during the zombie apocalypse" episode.
It gave the sense of, "This is how the world is now, and this is how we live now". The mundane aspect was actually pretty powerful.
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Music score advice:
For when they were chasing "Jesus" around in the field, the music score should have been Boots Randolph's "Yakety Sax," otherwise known as the Benny Hill Theme.
[popcorn]
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Music score advice:
For when they were chasing "Jesus" around in the field, the music score should have been Boots Randolph's "Yakety Sax," otherwise known as the Benny Hill Theme.
[popcorn]
THAT would have been awesome and hysterical. Would also have shown the writers have a good sense of humor. :laugh:
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My nitpicking aside, I do have to say that I liked this episode. Even though it wasn't really action packed, I thought it was a good, "day in the life during the zombie apocalypse" episode.
It gave the sense of, "This is how the world is now, and this is how we live now". The mundane aspect was actually pretty powerful.
I agree with you 100%.
It comes right up there with my absolute favorite episode, one that was particularly brilliant and not really action packed... What's Happening and What's Going On.
That's the one where Tyreese is bitten by Noah's little brother and dies. It was an absolutely brilliant bit of psychological drama.
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Yup good episode. Two in a row....prepare for some level of stupid in the next episodes.... :laugh:
Yeah I wouldn't have left the black car, either. consider that during their run in with Jesus, they wouldn't of had to run to chase him. They'd easily pursued him in that car.
Now, to get that truck out of the lake....
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Now, to get that truck out of the lake....
Tangent: I can't remember - can TWD zombies "survive" underwater? I know in several zombie books I've read, zombies are still viable underwater. I can't remember if TWD zombies are or not.
On another note, do zombies float or sink? I would think they'd have enough decomposition gases in them to float.
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A few seasons ago, didn't we see a zombie underwater that was chained into place? Some sort of lake or pond, and as I recall, the zombie was still moving.
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A few seasons ago, didn't we see a zombie underwater that was chained into place? Some sort of lake or pond, and as I recall, the zombie was still moving.
Yes. The governor was standing on a pier and there was one chained to something in the lake.
It would be a huge risk. Don't they show someone fighting with a zombie underwater in some of the previews?
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"Don't they show someone fighting with a zombie underwater in some of the previews?"
I THINK that those were previews for Fear the Walking Dead, which restarts on April 10.
After the slow-roll suckfest that was season 1, season 2 had damned well better start with a bang or I'm done with it.
I know that they wanted to show things as they started, instead of coming in to zombie world as they did in The Walking Dead with Rick coming out of his coma, but holy *expletive deleted*it, they could have compressed the whole "our neighborhood is an armed camp guarded by the Nat Guard" from 3 episodes to 1.
As for floater zombies, that's an interesting observation. You'd think that once someone becomes a Zed that their stomachs would distend from decomposition and, especially more so, if they ate a human or animal. Yet all of the zombies look like they've come out of a spin class at Ghoul's Gym, even in the beginning.
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And, someone has done it.
They've set the Jesus chase scene to Yakkity Sax...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg
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And, someone has done it.
They've set the Jesus chase scene to Yakkity Sax...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg
:rofl: :rofl: I knew it would work!
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And, someone has done it.
They've set the Jesus chase scene to Yakkity Sax...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg
That's great! :rofl:
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That's funny, I don't care who you are! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Finally got a chance to watch the whole thing with the sound turned up.
It really did adapt quite well!
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It's interesting that Ricks group has now become muscle. Also, the trailer for next week shows markedly better gun handling when they're clearing a hallway. This *expletive deleted*it with Negan will be interesting to say the least.
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Tangent: I can't remember - can TWD zombies "survive" underwater? I know in several zombie books I've read, zombies are still viable underwater. I can't remember if TWD zombies are or not.
On another note, do zombies float or sink? I would think they'd have enough decomposition gases in them to float.
Don't forget the Governor's wall of head aquariums...
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It's interesting that Ricks group has now become muscle. Also, the trailer for next week shows markedly better gun handling when they're clearing a hallway. This *expletive deleted*it with Negan will be interesting to say the least.
In a sense, they were muscle ever since they arrived in Alexandria. In volunteering to take on Negan and the Saviors, they've become, in essence, mercenaries.
I suspect that they will underestimate the Saviors as an adversary, and this little adventure is going to go all sorts of sideways.
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And, someone has done it.
They've set the Jesus chase scene to Yakkity Sax...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg
I don't care what you set to Yakkity Sax, it's just damn funny!
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In a sense, they were muscle ever since they arrived in Alexandria. In volunteering to take on Negan and the Saviors, they've become, in essence, mercenaries.
I suspect that they will underestimate the Saviors as an adversary, and this little adventure is going to go all sorts of sideways.
My thoughts exactly.
Life as a merc can be "interesting", but can often be short.
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Don't forget the Governor's wall of head aquariums...
OK, the first time I saw the head aquariums, I have to admit I laughed out loud...
Why?
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And holy hell, I never noticed this before, but Grover Cleveland is shown twice, two heads in two jars -- he served non-sequential terms in office.
That's funny!
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Well, that was exciting. Plenty of gunplay, knifeplay, Daryl finds his motorcycle . . . and everything goes to *expletive deleted*it at the end.
No sign of Negan yet. No idea what percentage of the Saviors got snuffed.
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And Alicia Witt is back! I knew I recognized that voice!
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And Alicia Witt is back! I knew I recognized that voice!
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Hope she's as good here as she was in Season 5 of Justified.
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Been a fan of her since she was the daughter on "Cybil".
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Hope she's as good here as she was in Season 5 of Justified.
I don't think that's going to be a problem. I've not seen her in a lot of stuff, but I've seen her in enough rolls to know that she's seriously talented.
Dune not withstanding. :rofl:
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SPOILERS IN THIS POST
So if you read on past, and I ruin something for you, your fault.
Holy hell last night's episode was incredible! It's probably my second favorite episode, right after "What's Happening and What's Going On," the one where Tyreese dies.
I am EXTREMELY disappointed, though, that they killed off Paula (Alicia Witt) after essentially 1 episode! The interplay between her and Carol was absolutely incredible. That is a dance that I wish could have played out over several episodes, or even an entire season. Not to mention the fact that I think she's an incredible actress.
How Carol dealt with the recon team? "Meet us in the kill room." Yikes...
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Really.
I thought last night's episode would have people here freaking out.
Y'all are disappointing me.
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Been busy.
And indeed. Top five for sure. They've stepped up this entire season.
Carol is my favorite chameleon. She plays the broken little thing so well, right until it's time to shoot someone in the face. Although, it's pretty obvious the struggle is real for her right now, she still does what needs doin.
We are all negan. This has some interesting possibilities. They executed the bald guy before Carol could tell Rick that....
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We already know the actor who is playing Negan.
That wasn't him.
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Yup, very good episode. The Nagan women were interesting dialog-wise on their history.
As to Carol being a chameleon, so much so for me in this episode that it had me wondering if she actually was putting on an act, or if she was letting some "old Carol" out.
To throw in one of my usual tactical complaints: The easiest way to get the jump on anyone in the WD universe is to draw your gun and shoot them, even if they have a gun pointed at you. Because EVERYONE seems to have to chamber a round before their first shot. Well, except Rick and his Python. :laugh:
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I guess I am the only one not spectacularly impressed by last night's episode. Oh, it was good .... just not great.
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I think she's definitely letting some old Carol out.
Or the old Carol is coming out whether she wants it to or not.
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I guess I am the only one not spectacularly impressed by last night's episode. Oh, it was good .... just not great.
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, YOU FRIGGING COMMIE?
:rofl:
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Yup, very good episode. The Nagan women were interesting dialog-wise on their history.
As to Carol being a chameleon, so much so for me in this episode that it had me wondering if she actually was putting on an act, or if she was letting some "old Carol" out.
To throw in one of my usual tactical complaints: The easiest way to get the jump on anyone in the WD universe is to draw your gun and shoot them, even if they have a gun pointed at you. Because EVERYONE seems to have to chamber a round before their first shot. Well, except Rick and his Python. :laugh:
They showed Carol taking a toll in the previous episode of the number of living she's killed. I think that it's eating at her now that she has time to think about it, and that's what we saw. Carol wants to bake cookies and *expletive deleted*it.
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Yup, very good episode. The Nagan women were interesting dialog-wise on their history.
As to Carol being a chameleon, so much so for me in this episode that it had me wondering if she actually was putting on an act, or if she was letting some "old Carol" out.
To throw in one of my usual tactical complaints: The easiest way to get the jump on anyone in the WD universe is to draw your gun and shoot them, even if they have a gun pointed at you. Because EVERYONE seems to have to chamber a round before their first shot. Well, except Rick and his Python. :laugh:
Can't disagree with any of this. At first, I was wondering if Carol really was having some sort of breakdown.
One tactical complaint: Carol hesitated while holding Paula at gunpoint, and got close enough for Paula to knock the pistol away. Lazy writing, IMO.
Other than that, great episode. I especially liked how the Savior women were sort-of dark counterparts to Carol and Maggie (i.e., Carol and Maggie might have wound up like them had things gone differently post-apocalypse).
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Can't disagree with any of this. At first, I was wondering if Carol really was having some sort of breakdown.
One tactical complaint: Carol hesitated while holding Paula at gunpoint, and got close enough for Paula to knock the pistol away. Lazy writing, IMO.
Other than that, great episode. I especially liked how the Savior women were sort-of dark counterparts to Carol and Maggie (i.e., Carol and Maggie might have wound up like them had things gone differently post-apocalypse).
Carol hesitated because she didn't want to kill yet another person.
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Carol hesitated because she didn't want to kill yet another person.
I get that part. She should not have gotten so close to Paula. She did so because the writer wanted a dramatic hand-to-hand combat scene.
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"Carol hesitated while holding Paula at gunpoint, and got close enough for Paula to knock the pistol away. Lazy writing, IMO."
I disagree. I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
Carol was mesmerized by Paula, and to a degree, Paula was mesmerized by Carol.
The whole episode was about Carol and Paula seeing themselves in each other -- Paula seeing herself in the past, and Carol seeing herself in the future. In essence, Carol and Paula are the same person. Carol is still keeping count of how many humans she's killed, but you can see at points she's really wondering if it matters; Paula says she stopped counting at double digits.
Both lost their children, and both, in ways, killed men to whom they were intimately attached, Paula her boss, Carol her husband.
Carol's been struggling with what she is the last couple of episodes. She was hard, and getting harder, until Morgan showed up. While she disagrees with him, I think she's been affected by his "all life is precious" mantra. That still doesn't keep her from killing, but she's questioning it more and more.
That final dialog between Carol and Paula is all of that in spades, and Carol couldn't break free of that until she was forced to.
I think we're going to see more of Carol's search for self in the coming episodes, and I wouldn't be surprised if she falls more under Morgan's spell.
I was really hoping, though, that Paula would have just turned and ran and escaped. I would have loved to have seen the dance between Paula and Carol play out over a longer period of time.
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Interesting that they brought Alicia Witt in for a single episode. With the show still holding/gaining popularity, I wonder if we might see some other name actors come around for single episodes...
As for Carol, I find the continuing evolution of the charcter one of the best elements of the show.
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It took me a good five minutes before I remembered she was in Justified. I need to take some ginkgo biloba or something.
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Tactics: Evil Dead vs Walking Dead.
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Eat a dick, Eugene!
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Eat a dick, Eugene!
I knew you'd be posting that.
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What, no reloading equipment available in the WD universe? Most of us make thousands of rounds on a bench, and they need a whole factory?* How is Eugene gonna make primers?
I did like that he brought up ammo as currency though. :)
*I understand that the average fan does not understand.
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Well, he specifically talked about LEAD, so I take it to mean that they are literally going to manufacture bullets, and not just talking "bullets" as an analog for reloaded cartridges.
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Though he also mentioned using spent casings, which is why I figured they were talking about reloads. Plus bullets (vs cartridges) probably wouldn't be much of a currency unless they were trading with people that already reload.
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My guess is that actual components are a LOT harder to locate in quantity than spent cases. Spent cases are going to be pretty easy to come by is my guess.
Remember at Terminus (during the killing floor scene, right before Carol makes her entrance), the *expletive deleted*bag leader (Rick later introduced him to the red handled machete) was going from person to person asking how many rounds they fired. I seem to recall him mentioning something about reloading in that exchange.
Also, remember the season before there were several times that they showed the storage room at Woodbury, and there was reloading equipment (Lee, I think) on the shelves.
Hell, if they had to they could, even manufacture cases. Deep cup drawing isn't really difficult, and shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a decently equipped machine shop. The problem would be doing it in quantity.
That brings us to the other issues...
Primers, and smokeless powder.
Primers are pretty simple chemistry, but dangerous.
Smokeless powder, though?
That's DIFFICULT chemical engineering and heavy duty science. Get a step wrong, and you ruin not only your batch of powder, but all of the chemicals, reagents, and catalysts needed to make the powder.
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My guess is that actual components are a LOT harder to locate in quantity than spent cases. Spent cases are going to be pretty easy to come by is my guess.
Well yeah, with them always going full auto, plenty of spent cases. =D
Good points on the other stuff. I do now seem to remember seeing reloading equipment in the past. I've never researched primer manufacturing, but assumed it required fairly specialized equipment (versus say, percussion caps for black powder). It might be easier than I thought though.
I wasn't sure if Eugene just found a general machine shop that he thought he could adapt, or did some research and found one with equipment that could more easily be adapted / converted.
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No really specialized equipment for primers. Just need the raw material, a few simple machine tools (punches, mainly), and someone who understands the chemistry of making the primer compound.
After that, it's just making small batches and hoping you don't blow yourself up. Primer compound needs to be handled wet. Once it starts to dry, it gets boomy really quickly.
Oh, and percussion caps for black powder?
They're the exact same thing as modern primers. Just shaped a bit differently.
"I wasn't sure if Eugene just found a general machine shop that he thought he could adapt, or did some research and found one with equipment that could more easily be adapted / converted."
Actually, he didn't find *expletive deleted*it. It was just a room with an assortment of random, unrelated equipment that makes NO sense when put together.
The crucible just hanging there in the middle of the room? OK.... where's the heat source? The furnace that would be needed?
And, where's the items needed to support casting, which the crucible infers? Sand molds, pig trays, etc? Nothing like that there.
There were some things that looked like they could be in a machine shop, though. A heavy duty drill press, possibly a lathe, and all of it position WAY too close to a swinging cauldron of hot metal.
Anyway, my rant.
As for Eugene saying they need to find a lot of lead...
I know exactly where they can find a lot of lead. Dangerous to deal with, thought...
There are a gazillion abandoned cars and trucks sitting around, and each of them has a lead acid battery that can be smelted.
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Oh, and percussion caps for black powder?
They're the exact same thing as modern primers. Just shaped a bit differently.
Interesting. When I look at my percussion caps, I see a cup that should be easily swaged (same for primer cups I reckon), but the difference that made me think primers were more difficult (explody stuff aside) was that the primers have that metal "support" over the charge (I'm guessing structural to keep them from collapsing when seated?) which I would think would be more difficult to machine. My knowledge in the area is severely lacking though.
I just did a quick search, and homemade percussion caps seem pretty easy. Example video below. Don't know how it compares to primer manufacturing.
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/making-homemade-percussion-caps-black-powder-guns-video/
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. . . I know exactly where they can find a lot of lead. Dangerous to deal with, thought... There are a gazillion abandoned cars and trucks sitting around, and each of them has a lead acid battery that can be smelted.
Modern car batteries have a bunch of other alloying materials (e.g., calcium, arsenic) which make them a poor source of bullet material. Wheelweights are still around, and would be a better source. (Although not ALL wheelweights are lead these days.)
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"that made me think primers were more difficult (explody stuff aside) was that the primers have that metal "support" over the charge"
That's not a support, that's the anvil. The firing pin crushes the priming compound against the anvil, setting it off. The primer integral anvil is a hallmark of the Boxer primer system.
If you don't have an anvil in the primer, it needs to be part of the case, which would make it a Berdan primer, the system commonly used in Europe and, because of the nature of the system, makes the cases a lot more difficult to reload.
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"Modern car batteries have a bunch of other alloying materials (e.g., calcium, arsenic) which make them a poor source of bullet material."
It's the zombipocalypse. Make do can do and all that.
If you want pretty much pure lead, then, you get a hacksaw and cut off the terminal posts. Those are (or until recently were) almost pure lead.
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As for lead,a better supply would be various fishing supply places and the lead sinkers that have probably been ignored since the apocalypse started. Also, there would be metal recycling places around. Not to mention recycled bullets from firefights, though that's a bit more labor intensive. Battery lead would be the last thing I'd check.
More difficult would be finding bullet moulds. Even well stocked reloading shops in this region don't have much for casting. Also, casting for ARs will be a challenge. One for the appropriate moulds, and two, to get sufficient hardness in the bullets. I think you'd need water quenched wheelweights at a minimum, with linotype-augmented alloys a preference.
Existing stocks of primers and powders would be fine assuming even reasonable storage (sealed containers, not exposed to the weather, etc). Unfortunately, reloading supply shops in NoVA (Alexandria, remember) are few. Clark Bros in Warrenton, Bass Pro near Baltimore, and Green Top and Bass Pro near Richmond are the nearest ones I can think of.
ETA: Zinc makes a passable bullet (castboolits.com tested this some time ago) and might even work well for rifles. Just don't mix it with your lead supply. Where does one find zinc? Modern automotive wheelweights...
Chris
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"As for lead,a better supply would be various fishing supply places and the lead sinkers that have probably been ignored since the apocalypse started."
That's thinking outside of the tackle box.
"Also, casting for ARs will be a challenge."
You don't cast for ARs. You turn the lead into lead wire and use it as cores in jackets you've drawn.
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Here's thinking even farther outside of the zombie box...
Screw the lead entirely.
Balle D.
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"that made me think primers were more difficult (explody stuff aside) was that the primers have that metal "support" over the charge"
That's not a support, that's the anvil. The firing pin crushes the priming compound against the anvil, setting it off. The primer integral anvil is a hallmark of the Boxer primer system.
If you don't have an anvil in the primer, it needs to be part of the case, which would make it a Berdan primer, the system commonly used in Europe and, because of the nature of the system, makes the cases a lot more difficult to reload.
Would a Berdan (difficulty for reloading aside) be easier to make for the "zombie hobbiest" with makeshift equipment?
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You don't cast for ARs. You turn the lead into lead wire and use it as cores in jackets you've drawn.
I suppose, but if casting is a challenge, then drawing jackets and turning lead into wire for the cores will be even more challenging. That said, there are tools around to turn 22lr cases into jackets, though I've never seen one in real life.
Honestly, if it were me, I'd focus on reloading for handguns and larger bore non-FA/semi rifles and use those rather than the bullet hoses unless bullet hosing is necessary. That way, reloading for said bullet hoses is a lower priority. A revolver is a fine tool for slowing down zombies, no need for a 3-rnd burst or full donkey show.
Chris
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Balle D.
???
Chris
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Oh, and if you don't like arsenic in your lead (I'm not sure that the arsenic or cadmium would do much of anything to the lead's basic properties other than make it harder...)
http://www.google.com/patents/US2335758
And the same for cadmium.
https://www.google.com/patents/US2286017?dq=removing+cadmium+from+lead&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJn4Kbq9LLAhXB1x4KHe-9BakQ6AEIHTAA
Wanna bet that Eugene doesn't already know how to do that? :D
Oh, the only problem with the above?
Toxic.
As.
*expletive deleted*it.
Fumes, dross, everything. You want to do it a LONG way from civilization.
Which in zombie America, is pretty much everywhere.
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???
Chris
Probably referring to this: http://www.sergeantyorkproject.com/ammunition.pdf
In 1898 the French Army adopted the 8mm “Balle D” cartridge for use in the
Mle 1886 Lebel Rifle. Balle D remained in service for the duration of the war.
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Would a Berdan (difficulty for reloading aside) be easier to make for the "zombie hobbiest" with makeshift equipment?
Slightly easier. You wouldn't have to fit the anvil in the primer.
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I'd leave arsenic in. It does harden the lead, which is a benefit for anything other than lite target loads. Not sure what benefit, if any, cadmium has.
Chris
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???
Chris
And you call yourself a gun guy?
TURN IN YOUR MAN BADGE!
I'm not going to answer for a bit. I want to see if anyone gets what I'm getting at with that reference...
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Probably referring to this: http://www.sergeantyorkproject.com/ammunition.pdf
Thanks, I was unaware. Will have to circle back later and read the article more closely.
Chris
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"I suppose, but if casting is a challenge, then drawing jackets and turning lead into wire for the cores will be even more challenging."
Incorrect!
Every heavy machine shop I've ever been in has at least the basic capability to do both of those things.
Even better, you can MAKE what you need -- the dies and swages -- to do that.
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Probably referring to this: http://www.sergeantyorkproject.com/ammunition.pdf
Yes, that talks about the Balle D as being the French Lebel round.
But that article doesn't give the reason why I referenced it.
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"I suppose, but if casting is a challenge, then drawing jackets and turning lead into wire for the cores will be even more challenging."
Incorrect!
Every heavy machine shop I've ever been in has at least the basic capability to do both of those things.
Even better, you can MAKE what you need -- the dies and swages -- to do that.
But will our intrepid heroes know how? Bullet casting is pretty intuitive once you have the moulds. Not only that, but the process has been shown in some movies (casting musket balls from lead soldiers in The Patriot for example).
Chris
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"Honestly, if it were me, I'd focus on reloading for handguns and larger bore non-FA/semi rifles and use those rather than the bullet hoses unless bullet hosing is necessary."
Yep.
For people constantly worried about their ammo levels, they sure do use it stupidly.
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But will our intrepid heroes know how? Bullet casting is pretty intuitive once you have the moulds. Not only that, but the process has been shown in some movies (casting musket balls from lead soldiers in The Patriot for example).
Chris
Dude!
We're talking Eugene here!
The Mullet of Knowledge!
Of course he knows how to do it!
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The Mullet of Knowledge!
:rofl: :rofl:
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"intrepid heroes"
And what the hell are you doing?
Harkening back to radio serials of old to set up next week's cliff hangar action?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Something like that. :P
Chris
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The biggest problem with cast lead bullets in something like a .223 rifle is going to be a VERY high possibility of leading the hell out of the bore.
And with bore leading comes...
A blocked gas port, which means you've now got a straight pull bolt action rifle.
If you can lay into a supply of lever action rifles chambered for .357 or .44 Magnums, you're in like flynn.
And, once the smokeless powder runs out, you can make your own black powder...
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The biggest problem with cast lead bullets in something like a .223 rifle is going to be a VERY high possibility of leading the hell out of the bore.
And with bore leading comes...
A blocked gas port, which means you've now got a straight pull bolt action rifle.
Which is why I suggested not bothering and using other guns instead of the gas-powered semis unless necessary. Even loading for a gas-powered gun can be tricky if you're new to reloading in general. Revolver, single shot, and bolt gun will be much easier. With the experience gained there, one can move onto recoil-operated semis. By the time that is mastered, the gas-powered guns will be an easier task.
That said, if they can find gunpowder and primers where they are, factory jacketed bullets will be easy to find. The issue with "Alexandria" is there aren't many sources for reloading components, with even fewer offering casting equipment (the main need being bullet moulds). I get most of my reloading and casting gear via mail order and pick up my powder and primers at gunshows or while traveling.
Chris
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"I get most of my reloading and casting gear via mail order...."
Oh, you can still do that!
Only deliver is a bit slower now that it's being handled by Zombie Express, the slightly rotted delivery company.
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Oh, the big problem with not loading .223 is that most of them have...
Rifles in .223.
Gotta go with that, which is what Eugene said.
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Lead? Just find old houses and buildings, lead was used as fire proofing between floors several decades ago.
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:facepalm: It might be simpler to simply switch over to cap & ball firearms. [popcorn]
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Well crud. I liked her.
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Great for dealing with a herd...
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Lead? Just find old houses and buildings, lead was used as fire proofing between floors several decades ago.
Hospitals. Lead shielding around the Xray suites and nuclear medicine labs. Only problem is... those are in cities, and those are walker central.
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Cars. Lead wheel weights. Any tire shop will have buckets of them.
Sporting goods stores; fishing weights.
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Hospitals. Lead shielding around the Xray suites and nuclear medicine labs. Only problem is... those are in cities, and those are walker central.
Cars. Lead wheel weights. Any tire shop will have buckets of them.
Sporting goods stores; fishing weights.
Well, one problem is that modern ammunition uses lead alloyed with antimony to harden it. Blackpowder weapons used pure lead but with the development of smokeless powders higher velocities became possible, which caused gunmakers to have to use deeper rifling. This in turn necessitated hardening the lead so it wouldn't shear off and lead the barrel. It's also why most modern rifle ammo is semi-jacketed.
If our intrepid TWD survivors don't get it right they will go through that learning curve all over again.
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Well, one problem is that modern ammunition uses lead alloyed with antimony to harden it. Blackpowder weapons used pure lead but with the development of smokeless powders higher velocities became possible, which caused gunmakers to have to use deeper rifling. This in turn necessitated hardening the lead so it wouldn't shear off and lead the barrel. It's also why most modern rifle ammo is semi-jacketed.
If our intrepid TWD survivors don't get it right they will go through that learning curve all over again.
Don't you guys get it?
The Mullet of Knowledge has this *expletive deleted*it cover...
COVERED.
:rofl:
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If our intrepid TWD survivors don't get it right they will go through that learning curve all over again.
Something they wouldn't put in a script (unless they hired an APS writer). :laugh:
But in a real zombie apocalypse (that's right Charby - the ZA is real and will happen!), people who got the bright idea to reload would be in for a bit of a shock if it's something they haven't done before. I'm sure all of us here have our learning curve stories. They don't even have to involve double charges or anything ZOMG, but just little things, like not putting a taper crimp on cartridges that need it or not properly seating a bullet and running into an FTF. No big deal at the gun club. Something else entirely when facing Negan's people. :)
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Well crud. I liked her.
Denise or Carol?
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You could always watch Nurse Jackie if you miss Denise.
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:facepalm: Has no one in our group learned anything about situational awareness??? Those were awfully thin trees to hide behind there......and Darryl, YOU cannot keep your ears open to the sound of footsteps in the forest?
And what kind of machine gun did Carol have up her sleeve?
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I agree, I call shenanigans on Darryl getting caught like that.
All in all, I think that this was one of the more contrived episodes. I'm also beginning to wonder if Carol's near hysteria is really an act or not.
And holy hell, she was 12.75 klicks (8 miles) away from Alexandria? There is no place that looks even remotely like that in this area -- rolling farm fields, virtually no houses, and hills that are a LOT higher than anything we have around here.
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And holy hell, she was 12.75 klicks (8 miles) away from Alexandria?
Also, she supposedly snuck out in the middle of the night. What's the car's top speed, 0.50mph?
One of the weaker episodes to be sure. Hopefully it's the calm before the storm. :)
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Anywhere within 8 miles of Alexandria is well within the sprawl of NoVA/DC, so traveling after the ZA may take that long. However, there is NOTHING that looks like the scenes shown in the show within even 20 miles of Alexandria. I'm thinking more like 40 miles. :)
Chris
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"Also, she supposedly snuck out in the middle of the night. What's the car's top speed, 0.50mph?"
I was thinking about that, too, but I figured she had to push it awhile to get it away from the compound, but yeah, top speed of about .5 MPH....
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I was thinking about that, too, but I figured she had to push it awhile to get it away from the compound,
Good point - she may have had to push it a couple of miles. From what I remember of the sound effects, it sounded like it was missing a muffler. :laugh:
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However, there is NOTHING that looks like the scenes shown in the show within even 20 miles of Alexandria. I'm thinking more like 40 miles. :)
The fact that the series is filmed in Georgia might have something to do with that.
Looking forward to next week. Negan is coming and he's bringing Lucille.
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The fact that the series is filmed in Georgia might have something to do with that.
They can film near Atlanta and get a better representation of the region Alexandria is located within than what they're doing today. The point is there are no wide open spaces as depicted in the show anywhere near Alexandria, VA.
Also, with all the military bases in the area (Quantico, Belvoir, Pentagon), why aren't they raiding those places for supplies?
Chris
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They can film near Atlanta and get a better representation of the region Alexandria is located within than what they're doing today. The point is there are no wide open spaces as depicted in the show anywhere near Alexandria, VA.
Yes, other members have commented on how the area around "Alexandria" looks nothing like NoVA. Probably their budget limits their choices.
Also, with all the military bases in the area (Quantico, Belvoir, Pentagon), why aren't they raiding those places for supplies?
Fair question. Lack of research by the writing staff?
And on another note entirely: poor Darryl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rI5Q21YDnU
"You'll be all right."
Not sure how Darryl is aiming his crossbow. I see a Picatinny rail but no scope or sights. What's-her-name's rifle (flat-top AR or derivative) has what looks like a C-More with an aperture rear sight as a BUIS, but no front iron.
(I know: it's the Zombie Apocalypse. They have to make do.)
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Well, I guess the governor was kind of a namby pamby cupcake, all things considered.
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Well, I guess the governor was kind of a namby pamby cupcake, all things considered.
Negan must be some sort of whacked-out ex-special forces operator.....
And someone has been eliminated from our group.
Which can't seem to ever catch a break, unless it's applied with a baseball bat. >:D
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I fell asleep on the couch last night and didn't wake up until almost 10.
I recorded it, so I'll watch it tonight.
Very pissed though, that I forgot to record Talking Dead.
My guess, though, is that we've seen the last of Darryl.
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I can't imagine getting rid of a major player in the show like this. Yeah, I know, draw in the fans for the premier next year, kind of like the whole "who shot JR" thing from back in the day, leave us hanging for six months wondering which one bought it. But if it was one of the original players, like Daryl or Glenn, I can't see them going from Negan swinging a bat to that character being gone, no emotional impact of watching it happen. Feels like a cheap ploy for ratings bump with the premier next season.
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I can see that.
I also have a hard time believing that they could kill Darryl off, unless Reedus actually wants to leave the show, which is a rumor I heard earlier this year.
Here's a recent interview with Reedus. Kind of neat, actually: http://tvline.com/2016/03/27/norman-reedus-leaving-the-walking-dead-daryl-dies-season-6/
If Darryl isn't killed off by Negan, there's still the problem that the only ones Negan has right now are all major cast members.
But.... could this be a misdirection? From what I've learned about Negan's character from reading online, it sounds as if he's the kind of individual who would actually respect the Alexandrians for their ballsiness in taking on his group at least three times and escaping from what seem to be locked in outcomes: Abraham, Darryl, and Sasha at the fuel truck; the group recently that got away (Denise was killed, though) at the train tracks; and Maggie and Carol in the old slaughter house. I think he's the kind of person who would respect that, and who would be quite pissed at the repeated failures of his group to deal with the Alexandrians...
How's this for a possible outcome...
Negan beats Dwight to death for his failure at the railroad tracks AND for shooting and wounding a captured Darryl.
Negan is pissed
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Also, with all the military bases in the area (Quantico, Belvoir, Pentagon), why aren't they raiding those places for supplies?
It's VA, raid -a house- and get some weapons. This isn't the Bay Area or NYC...
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One reason for it to be Daryl is that he now has his own show on AMC, though plenty of actors do a couple of things at the same time.
Both Abraham and Eugene were kinda setup for death. Abraham finding love, and Eugene saying "goodbyes" and Abraham burying the hatchet with him. I think all the women are safe, and Negan talked about Rick and Carl watching, so they're both safe.
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Negan beats Dwight to death for his failure at the railroad tracks AND for shooting and wounding a captured Darryl.
Negan is pissed
I could see that...drag out all summer the "who did Negan kill" stories, then drop a surprise like that on the fans.
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I could see that...drag out all summer the "who did Negan kill" stories, then drop a surprise like that on the fans.
Whoever got killed was kneeling. I'm pretty sure Dwight was standing, as were the rest of the Saviors.
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In the comics he kills Glenn, splits his head open and beats it flat.
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In the comics he kills Glenn, splits his head open and beats it flat.
Yup, but the TV series has deviated from the comics more than a few times.
Whoever it was impressed Negan by "taking it like a champ." I don't see Eugene doing that as he was close to tears. I'm guessing Darryl or Abraham.
For anyone who wants to watch the ending again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_P6Y-WkvF4
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A friend has a thery...Negan killed one of his guys. They come back in the premier, show that, then show Negan brain Glenn. Keep the fan base guessing all summer, make them relax, then slap them hard.
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starting to look forward to the end of the series. The writers, even with the blueprint in front of 'em, can't seem to come up with anything that is not totally stupid.
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What was Carol packing in her sleave and how did it not jam being fired from within there?, ejection port obstructed and all...
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What was Carol packing in her sleave and how did it not jam being fired from within there?, ejection port obstructed and all...
I believe it was a small revolver.
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Uhm....
Then she has the fastest trigger finger ever.
And the largest cylinder.
The sound over was automatic weapons fire.
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What was Carol packing in her sleave and how did it not jam being fired from within there?, ejection port obstructed and all...
I believe it was a small revolver.
In another forum it was determined to be a Mac 10. The reason it didn't jam when fired inside a sleeve is because this was a TV show. She could have used a Thompson up a sleeve and have it work ... or a fifty caliber....or even a Chaingun off a Bradley Fighting Vehicle. It's a TV show! [tinfoil]
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I didn't remember the auto fire (but it's WD, so I guess I should have assumed). I just remembered her walking with the small revolver. A MAC 10 seems like it would have been too bulky to get under a sleeve, but yeah, it's a TV show. :)
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No way a MAC10 would fit and operate reliably in the sleeve, magazine and all...
Knowing that a large sector of their audience are into firearms in one way or the other, I sometimes think that they sould be a little more careful with the artistic liberties they take with portraying baltantly impossible deeds with guns... but then I remember that this is a show about zombies.
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Uhm....
Then she has the fastest trigger finger ever.
And the largest cylinder.
The sound over was automatic weapons fire.
Yup: https://youtu.be/zCQkW2GlWK0?t=20
Full-auto sound effect, Saviors fall down, then the scene cuts to the smoldering sleeve on Carol's coat. The sound effect at that point sounds like a double-action trigger being pulled repeatedly, so she kept pulling the trigger on her magic pistol after she ran out of ammo in her magic magazine.
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Yup: https://youtu.be/zCQkW2GlWK0?t=20
Full-auto sound effect, Saviors fall down, then the scene cuts to the smoldering sleeve on Carol's coat. The sound effect at that point sounds like a double-action trigger being pulled repeatedly, so she kept pulling the trigger on her magic pistol after she ran out of ammo in her magic magazine.
Obviously battery powered sleeve minigun like the one Jesse Ventura carried in the jungle in the original Predator movie...
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I was kind of wondering if it was a Calico under the sleeve, but not sure about the full auto or the trigger noises. It might work for the magazine not protruding on the bottom. Probably issues with the ejection though. I suppose it was just a 30 round revolver and she is now able to shoot like Jerry Miculek.
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I've still not watched the episode. Just haven't had time.
But I've read some of the reviews online, and they are uniformly pissed off beyond measure, not only at the pace and quality of the final episode, but at the pace and quality of the entire second half of the season.
I have to agree that, by and large, the second half doesn't come remotely close to matching the first half, except the episode where Carol and Maggie are held by the women Saviors. I thought that one was a freaking home run.
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The first couple episodes of the second half were great.
This Negan introduction sucked, except seeing Rick lose his *expletive deleted*it at being outplayed and what a maniacal dick Negan is.
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Final episode was cr@p for multiple reasons.
Especially how, in the dark, walking through the woods to get around the road blocks, they simply walked into a circle of whistling Neganites who knew exactly where they were going to go and exactly which route they were taking . . . I doubt if the guy they left with the RV could have squealed and given up that precise a route. :facepalm:
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Yeah, it might have been an okay mid-season episode, but it failed as a season finale on many fronts. I think if this was a mid-season episode, Rick would have blown through the first roadblock where the numbers on both sides were somewhat equal. Instead, he kept navigating to bigger roadblocks, and repeating the same tactics until the end. Also, the "who got brained?" cliffhanger is kinda weak writing. I think the finales where they show a main cast member getting killed are more powerful.
I guess one good part of the episode was Rick being a shaking and scared lump as he realizes he may have had a swelled head and that he's not the cock of the walk. He wouldn't be in this situation if he'd listened to APS members regarding good recon and intel gathering before the initial attack on the Negan compound. :)
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"I think the finales where they show a main cast member getting killed are more powerful."
I think the finales where they show a main cast member getting killed are more powerful.
Agreed.
I saw one person comment that this had the feeling of the contrived 1950s movie serial cliff hanger. And that's not a particularly good thing.
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Yeah, it might have been an okay mid-season episode, but it failed as a season finale on many fronts. I think if this was a mid-season episode, Rick would have blown through the first roadblock where the numbers on both sides were somewhat equal. Instead, he kept navigating to bigger roadblocks, and repeating the same tactics until the end. Also, the "who got brained?" cliffhanger is kinda weak writing. I think the finales where they show a main cast member getting killed are more powerful.
Agreed on all points. It seems the writers didn't have much of a story except "Rick & co are captured by the Saviors. Negan kills someone." A bit thin, even for a standard-length episode.
Not revealing the identity of Negan's victim just smelled like a cheap stunt. I was annoyed.
I was more intrigued by the Carol & Morgan story arc, and first contact with The Kingdom.
I guess one good part of the episode was Rick being a shaking and scared lump as he realizes he may have had a swelled head and that he's not the cock of the walk. He wouldn't be in this situation if he'd listened to APS members regarding good recon and intel gathering before the initial attack on the Negan compound. :)
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Wouldn't that be fun to see in the credits? We could straighten out that foolishness with Carol's sleeve gun too.
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We could straighten EVERYTHING out...
We would raise the Alexandrians to rule the post apocalyptic world.
And then...
WE would take over.
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I was more intrigued by the Carol & Morgan story arc, and first contact with The Kingdom.
Yeah, me too. I don't read the comics so am unfamiliar with The Kingdom, but I reckon I get it with the horses and the armor. Just the fact that they're smart enough to wear armor makes me like them. :)
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Stolen from a YouTube comment:
"Why did Negan kill the cameraman?"
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Stolen from a YouTube comment:
"Why did Negan kill the cameraman?"
I can answer that. Ngan killed the cameraman because he couldn't get to the writers.
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Earlier in that episode, we see Carol sewing up her jacket. Maybe she also made a hole for the ejection port?
And you can't blame Negan for acting like a Comedian.
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And you can't blame Negan for acting like a Comedian.
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"You work for me now. You have *expletive deleted*it? You give it to me. That's your job."
- IRS agent Negan
(yes, I did just finish doing my income taxes. Why do you ask?)
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I just binge-watched the DVDs. There's no cable where I live, and I'm waiting for a-la carte satellite, so it takes me a while to catch up to you guys. My thoughts...
Lots of stupid ulcer-inducing lack of tactics that season.
The actors seemed subdued to me. I got the feeling that whoever gets it in the end will be missed.
I knew Glen wasn't dead because he's Glen.
Morgan's coming around to the reality he lives in. I hope Carol does as well.
Poor Judith just gets passed around to anybody. I wouldn't trust that preacher with one of my cats.
I hope the horse doesn't get eaten by anybody, living or dead.
I think Negan's victim is one of two people: Rosita because who is she without Abraham? They've got tough chicks covered with Michonne and Carol, if she finds her spine again. Or, for shock value, Sasha. She's in love, and they have that angle covered by Glen & Maggie. If Sasha is killed, there will be plenty of drama between Abraham and Rosita until they decide to kill Rosita off later. Both Rosita and Sasha are tough enough to take Negan's first blow, and killing a woman like that shows everyone just how depraved he is.
Oh, and it's "horde" guys. =)