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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: mellestad on October 19, 2016, 09:16:43 PM
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Trump's holding it together this time! Only 15 minutes in, though. The format is more controlled, which probably helps him maintain composure and focus.
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Someone should have told him to act like this in the first two debates.
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Hey everybody, Clinton is a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment! Everything is okay now. ;/
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He still doesn't get his ideas across.
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According to another forum, Clinton said this:
Which I think is terrifying but here's the deal that bottom line on nuclear weapons is that when the president gives the orders it must be followed. There is about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so.
Should she be saying that publicly?
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^^^I am surprised it is as long as four minutes. Perhaps this is accounted for by authentication of the orders.
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The President does not have launch codes, only authentication codes. While the President has way more authority than should ever be the case, a unilateral nuclear strike is not a circumstance that officers have to follow. That's on par with telling officers to shoot a nosy reporter. Yeah, nope.
Not that I want either Trump or Clintons to be in a position to order nuclear weapons, it is an insult to say the military will blindly follow insane orders.
Re 4 minutes, depends on circumstances. It would be less if it is expected, more if it is not. Targeting is another discussion.
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I don't think Trump accomplished what he needed to do, which was an almost impossible task given the time limits. Basically he needed to fix all of the mistakes he's been making for weeks.
I thought Hillary came across as a bitch. She lied so many times I lost count, but the voters won't know that. She even repeated the "Donald asked why we can't use our nukes now" lie. Then she followed up with the "the FBI cleared me" lie.
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Was there a debate tonight?
Who debated?
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Biggest winner in tonight's debate is Chris Wallace. For the next 20 years, people will say "Why couldn't the moderator have been as good as that guy?".....
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I missed the first hour. (got the start time mixed up) Did I miss anything?
Clinton never did answer the question on whether she would [try to] shoot down a Russian plane violating a no-fly zone.
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I just slapped my head when Trump missed an early golden opportunity . . .
Hillary went on and on about "foreign" hacking of US accounts to interfere with the election.
Trump could have just looked at her then, and said "And foreign hacking is EXACTLY why the law prohibits high government officials from sending and receiving classified material from private email servers. Madam, as secretary of state you were reckless with security, and directly put our country at risk. Your actions before and your words tonight prove you should never, EVER have access to classified information again!"
But he didn't. =(
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http://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498293478/fact-check-trump-and-clinton-s-final-presidential-debate
Traffic was a bear so we did not get home until 18:45. We found a transcript so we could read what we missed.
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Had to leave early for my second job. Just finished watching the rest.
Trump started losing it 45 minutes in and he was a wreck by the end of it. He can't keep himself together. It makes him look terrible. I can't imagine what his campaign manager was going through in the last half of that. Hillary kept it together (because lizard people always do).
Then his bit about accepting the elections, which led to Hillary's bit about everything being rigged against Trump. Brilliant. Makes Trump look like a whiny baby, then he helped by trying to make a joke. Her response to his "what have you been doing for 30 years" did the same thing. That's when it started going downhill.
He managed to lose every debate to a robot with more baggage than O'Hare. :facepalm:
Wallace did a great job as the moderator. The only one who didn't suck out of the four moderators.
President Clinton is all for common sense gun control and supports the 2nd amendment. Everyone will have the right to pink Nerf guns (subject to ATF velocity limits), as long as they're unloaded, trigger locked, in a Federally approved safe, and you must have the keys to the safe stored in a Federally approved bank deposit box at least five miles from your home (there's only one and it's on the moon). You have her word.
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President Clinton is all for common sense gun control and supports the 2nd amendment. Everyone will have the right to pink Nerf guns (subject to ATF velocity limits), as long as they're unloaded, trigger locked, in a Federally approved safe, and you must have the keys to the safe stored in a Federally approved bank deposit box at least five miles from your home (there's only one and it's on the moon). You have her word.
She's just trying to protect the toddlers!
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I'm still not convinced that Trump was in this thing to win. Part of me thinks he really wanted to stick his thumb in the eye of the GOPe by winning the nomination and losing the election. I can picture him on Wednesday after the election, adult beverage in hand, watching the GOPe pundits on the boob tube whining about Hillary being elected, and letting go with a Nelson laugh.
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I'm still not convinced that Trump was in this thing to win. Part of me thinks he really wanted to stick his thumb in the eye of the GOPe by winning the nomination and losing the election. I can picture him on Wednesday after the election, adult beverage in hand, watching the GOPe pundits on the boob tube whining about Hillary being elected, and letting go with a Nelson laugh.
If true he still did the country a great service. *expletive deleted*ck the GOP.
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Was there a debate tonight?
Who debated?
The Masters.
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Here's what went on in the media room at the debate:
http://twitchy.com/loriz-3139/2016/10/20/omg-what-jesse-watters-caught-in-media-room-at-clintontrump-debate-is-chilling/
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Here's what went on in the media room at the debate:
http://twitchy.com/loriz-3139/2016/10/20/omg-what-jesse-watters-caught-in-media-room-at-clintontrump-debate-is-chilling/
LOL... Michelle Malkin must be making someone angry. Following that link I realized Twitchy now has that DDOS delay filter going on.
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LOL... Michelle Malkin must be making someone angry. Following that link I realized Twitchy now has that DDOS delay filter going on.
Yeah, saw it for the first time this morning. Progressives must be getting nervous about Wikileaks and going into information suppression overdrive. :laugh:
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Had to leave early for my second job. Just finished watching the rest.
Trump started losing it 45 minutes in and he was a wreck by the end of it. He can't keep himself together. It makes him look terrible. I can't imagine what his campaign manager was going through in the last half of that. Hillary kept it together (because lizard people always do).
Then his bit about accepting the elections, which led to Hillary's bit about everything being rigged against Trump. Brilliant. Makes Trump look like a whiny baby, then he helped by trying to make a joke. Her response to his "what have you been doing for 30 years" did the same thing. That's when it started going downhill.
He managed to lose every debate to a robot with more baggage than O'Hare. :facepalm:
Wallace did a great job as the moderator. The only one who didn't suck out of the four moderators.
President Clinton is all for common sense gun control and supports the 2nd amendment. Everyone will have the right to pink Nerf guns (subject to ATF velocity limits), as long as they're unloaded, trigger locked, in a Federally approved safe, and you must have the keys to the safe stored in a Federally approved bank deposit box at least five miles from your home (there's only one and it's on the moon). You have her word.
??? :O
You're kidding, right? Trump WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing he ***** up was when he was asked if he'd accept the results if Hillary won. He should have just said "yes, of course," and that be that. In the event that the election does somehow go sideways he can contest it afterwards but what he did just made him look like a jerk, though I think I understand why he did it.
*drift warning*
In the 1960 election between Richard Nixon & John Fitzgerald Kennedy, there were enough dead people voting in Chicago, and the election was close enough, that Nixon could have possibly successfully contested it. But, in an act completly at odds with the Nixon we have all come to know and love, Nixon gracefully accepted the results, believing that it was better for the country that way than putting it through a loud tendentious legal kerfuffle.
So it HAS happened.
But Trump didn't have to step on his tie ..... ;/
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So it HAS happened.
Interestingly, the latest Podesta email says that illegals should be able to vote as long as they have a driver's license. CA hands licenses out to illegals like candy. Not sure how illegals voting by showing a license jives with the dem line of "no ID needed to vote".
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Interestingly, the latest Podesta email says that illegals should be able to vote as long as they have a driver's license. CA hands licenses out to illegals like candy. Not sure how illegals voting by showing a license jives with the dem line of "no ID needed to vote".
Whatever works at the moment.
"ID? We don' need no steenkin' ID! I says I are Amurican, nemmind I don' speek Inglese. Lemme vote, you racist."
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Interestingly, the latest Podesta email says that illegals should be able to vote as long as they have a driver's license. CA hands licenses out to illegals like candy. Not sure how illegals voting by showing a license jives with the dem line of "no ID needed to vote".
Since Hillary will likely win CA, that may not make any difference.
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Targeting is another discussion.
"Target the reavers. Target everybody. Somebody fire!!"
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"Target the reavers. Target everybody. Somebody fire!!"
Maybe it's just me, but that's one of my favorite parts of that movie. He all but stole that movie right out from under the TV cast.
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Trumps buffoonery isn't really buffoonery oftentimes.
He keeps harping on the rigged nature of the election process and every time there is an irregularity it lends credence to his words.
I've seen more stories about voting irregularities this time around than any other election than I can recall.
Trump is emboldening folks to actually look, find and call it out.
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I was kind of hopping trump would take one for the team. Like walking up to her to shake hands and go all hulk.
Hulk smash.
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The boob tube was on in the shop above the shooting range this afternoon. I saw Charles Krauthammer, whose opinions I have until now generally respected, stating that Trump is wrong to not come out and say that he WILL accept the result of the election, because "historically" that's what we have done in previous elections (with one exception), and because it's important for everyone to believe that the election process is fair and objective.
That's what he said, and I stood there wondering what he was smoking just before he went on camera. Why in the world should anyone "believe" the election is fair and above-board in the face of hard evidence all over the country that the process is NOT fair and above-board?
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I was wanting a wwe cage match or better yet thunder dome. Disappointed again.
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The boob tube was on in the shop above the shooting range this afternoon. I saw Charles Krauthammer, whose opinions I have until now generally respected, stating that Trump is wrong to not come out and say that he WILL accept the result of the election, because "historically" that's what we have done in previous elections (with one exception), and because it's important for everyone to believe that the election process is fair and objective.
That's what he said, and I stood there wondering what he was smoking just before he went on camera. Why in the world should anyone "believe" the election is fair and above-board in the face of hard evidence all over the country that the process is NOT fair and above-board?
I find it very 1984ish to see all the media outrage coming out at the suggetion that the voting process may be rigged. Why should you accept a result if there is credible evidence that there was foul play. Don't question the holy of holies ;/
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Our election system is distributed. If it's (significantly) crooked, it's crooked in so many places at so many times by so many different elected officials that you've got to have your tinfoil on very tightly to buy it. I can buy that there's corruption at the local level (duh) but the idea that there's corruption widespread enough, on only one side, to influence a presidential election is not realistic.
That would have to be some kind of vast left/right wing conspiracy. Now, if someone goes for that kind of thinking that's fine but you can't really have a discussion if the basic assumption is that everyone is corrupt, including all the grannies that volunteer for the polling stations.
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LOok guys, I'm going to have to side with the MSM on this one.
The fact is that in the past in the close election between Bush and Gore, democrats lined up to support the process for the good of the country. Say what you will about them, but the democrats absolutely did not rattle on for years about how Bush stole the election in attempts to delegitimise his presidency. They accepted the results of the election.
There's no telling where we'd be today if they hadn't. What Trump is doing is a completely new danger zone. Ask yourselves people: would we even have an America today if the democrats hadn't put self interest aside and accepted that Bush won against Gore? We have got to show the same civic virtue this time around!
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LOok guys, I'm going to have to side with the MSM on this one.
The fact is that in the past in the close election between Bush and Gore, democrats lined up to support the process for the good of the country. Say what you will about them, but the democrats absolutely did not rattle on for years about how Bush stole the election in attempts to delegitimise his presidency. They accepted the results of the election.
There's no telling where we'd be today if they hadn't. What Trump is doing is a completely new danger zone. Ask yourselves people: would we even have an America today if the democrats hadn't put self interest aside and accepted that Bush won against Gore? We have got to show the same civic virtue this time around!
DeSelby, the democrats on your planet must be different than the ones on my planet .....
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DeSelby, the democrats on your planet must be different than the ones on my planet .....
What're you implying? That they didn't accept the results of the 2000 election?
I can prove you wrong. America still exists, and according to the MSM it would be destroyed if anyone running for office refused to accept the outcome.
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Say what you will about them, but the democrats absolutely did not rattle on for years about how Bush stole the election in attempts to delegitimise his presidency. They accepted the results of the election.
So I suppose the recurrent Democrat cries of "Selected, Not Elected" which continued until the next election meant something else entirely than a refusal to accept the election as legitimate?
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What're you implying? That they didn't accept the results of the 2000 election?
I can prove you wrong. America still exists, and according to the MSM it would be destroyed if anyone running for office refused to accept the outcome.
What do you mean they "accepted" it? They didn't and still bitch about 2000 to this day..
If by "not accepting" you mean some sort of revolt or coup, Clinton refusing to leave the White House and trying to command the military to help him keep control? Then yes... I guess they "accepted it". ;/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpYwiYvSO8M
Many of us are getting sick of constantly battling against the inherent double-standards endemic to this sort of Alinskyite bullshit. Much of the American Left owes the fact they are still breathing because the productive class in this country have jobs, kids, and mortgages.
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So I suppose the recurrent Democrat cries of "Selected, Not Elected" which continued until the next election meant something else entirely than a refusal to accept the election as legitimate?
What's this you say? Democrats didn't accept an election and the world kept turning!
How has no one noticed this today when we're all freaking out about Trump!?
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Many of us are getting sick of constantly battling against the inherent double-standards endemic to this sort of Alinskyite bullshit. Much of the American Left owes the fact they are still breathing because the productive class in this country have jobs, kids, and mortgages.
That Trump doesn't get stuck in this kind of left vs right crap is to his credit
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What're you implying? That they didn't accept the results of the 2000 election?
I can prove you wrong. America still exists, and according to the MSM it would be destroyed if anyone running for office refused to accept the outcome.
The democrats accused the supreme court of being "rigged," Bush was "illegitimate," and whined ad nauseum for 8 years about the election being "stolen." That America "still exists" proving me wrong is non sequitor and absurd on its face.
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What do you mean they "accepted" it? They didn't and still bitch about 2000 to this day..
If by "not accepting" you mean some sort of revolt or coup, Clinton refusing to leave the White House and trying to command the military to help him keep control? Then yes... I guess they "accepted it". ;/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpYwiYvSO8M
Many of us are getting sick of constantly battling against the inherent double-standards endemic to this sort of Alinskyite bullshit. Much of the American Left owes the fact they are still breathing because the productive class in this country have jobs, kids, and mortgages.
If republicans and gun owners were as violent and unstable as the left like to portray them we wouldn't have to listen to their crap anymore.
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DS is yanking your chain, folks. Read closely. He has no problem with Trump not automatically giving any result his full endorsement.
Our election system is distributed. If it's (significantly) crooked, it's crooked in so many places at so many times by so many different elected officials that you've got to have your tinfoil on very tightly to buy it. I can buy that there's corruption at the local level (duh) but the idea that there's corruption widespread enough, on only one side, to influence a presidential election is not realistic.
That would have to be some kind of vast left/right wing conspiracy. Now, if someone goes for that kind of thinking that's fine but you can't really have a discussion if the basic assumption is that everyone is corrupt, including all the grannies that volunteer for the polling stations.
Your post is naive.
No tinfoil necessary given:
1. The rather regular charges and indictments of those committing election fraud.
2. The many times Dem electioneers are caught on video actively committing fraud, helping describe how to commit fraud, or bragging about election fraud.
3. Even Dems, decades after the elections, admit that several close races were brought home by them due to election fraud.
And the election fraud only need be in several of the contested states. Or in one city to deliver an entire state (Chicago).
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DS is yanking your chain, folks. Read closely. He has no problem with Trump not automatically giving any result his full endorsement.
Your post is naive.
No tinfoil necessary given:
1. The rather regular charges and indictments of those committing election fraud.
2. The many times Dem electioneers are caught on video actively committing fraud, helping describe how to commit fraud, or bragging about election fraud.
3. Even Dems, decades after the elections, admit that several close races were brought home by them due to election fraud.
And the election fraud only need be in several of the contested states. Or in one city to deliver an entire state (Chicago).
To my mind the best Trump response would've been to say:
"I will absolutely respect the vote if the American people. It's essential to recognise that Hillary is part of a machine trying to disenfranchise voters, just like they did in Iowa when they won 6 coin tosses in a row, and when they booted tens of thousands of voters in Brooklyn because they supported Bernie sanders. If you have any doubt as to the Clintons willingness to separate election returns from votes, just ask a Sanders campaigner about the primary.
If the people elect Hillary, you bet I'll respect them. If Hillary tries to disenfranchise the people, you bet I'll do everything in my power to make their votes count."
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The fact is that in the past in the close election between Bush and Gore, democrats lined up to support the process for the good of the country.
Then how did it get to the Supreme Court?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), is the United States Supreme Court decision that resolved the dispute surrounding the 2000 presidential election.
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under the strategy that Al Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida recount — filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties — Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted by the consortium.
The Democrats didn't "accept" the result until the SCOTUS put a stop to their recount attempt and they had no choice other than to accept the result. Even then, as has been noted, they spent years kvetching about it.
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The night of the debate, I was taking a class for election workers. While we waited for the class to start, a black woman was talking to a white man* about the idea of a rigged election. When the guy broached the topic, the lady dismissed the idea as fanciful. "How could it be rigged?" A few seconds later, she was admitting her skepticism about the 2000 election result in Florida. :lol:
* I mention race, as the lady's skin color indicates she almost certainly votes for the Jim Crow party.
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Polling results in from debates--this data includes polls from the last few elections for comparison. Interesting!
Data from Gallup/CNN, article from 538.
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