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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on January 02, 2017, 12:57:33 PM
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The New York Times breaks a shocking story.
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I see the @nytimes is continuing their research on the mysterious people located west of the Hudson River.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/01/02/ny-times-condescending-hot-take-about-texans-gets-hauled-to-the-mockery-dump-in-a-big-pickup-truck/
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Ny times are idiots, big surprise. That said, I live in truck culture, would love a truck more current than my 83 GM. Can't afford one. They have become luxury items with rims, chrome, power everything, and everything one does not need. My Subaru gets more off-road time than many trucks and jeeps I see.
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How many times do I have to haul something in my truck to justify getting a truck? The short bed on my F150 has more utility than most of the features they buy on their sports cars. And I can run over stuff that would wreck the underside of their cars. In the industrial areas I go that is important.
Have these people ever ridden in a Ford F150? I can reach forward and not touch the windshield. I have lots of room around me and don't feel like the truck is wrapped around me. That alone is great.
Also, there was mention of the smaller pickups. Many of those are nearly as expensive as the full size trucks. I figure the full size is a better value.
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My [sic] times are idiots, big surprise. That said, I live in truck culture, would love a truck more current than my 83 GM. Can't afford one. They have become luxury items with rims, chrome, power everything, and everything one does not need. My Subaru gets more off-road time than many trucks and jeeps I see.
I like my 2001 Chevy 1500 with hand-crank windows, 16" steel wheels, and rubber floor mats. It does not have cruise control, I kinda wish it did (I think that was why I got a speeding ticket once.) When I eventually have to replace it I will have to look for a used west Texas (etc) truck from the same era because I don't like the new ones.
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Also, in the NYT link they were referring to a truck rodeo. I have never heard of that. I guess they think it indicates something, but I doubt most people here know what it is.
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I like my 2001 Chevy 1500 with hand-crank windows, 16" steel wheels, and rubber floor mats. It does not have cruise control, I kinda wish it did (I think that was why I got a speeding ticket once.)
Aftermarket cruise control units are available.
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Still, I see a lot of knuckleheads that commute 60+ miles each way in a diesel F350 because they have a one horse trailer they sometimes pull on weekends. (Which, BTW, I have seen done quite well by a 1977 Chevy Luv.) A used-but-reliable Accord, even including registration and insurance, would save them a small fortune, especially since they're the ones that take the last smoke break of the day 20 minutes before quitting time to go start the truck and let it warm up or cool off...all the while bitching about the price of diesel.
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I still drive a 4wd F250 super duty with the V10 gasser that I bought new in May of 1998. Still runs and hauls just fine but I'm losing the rust battle. 175k miles and counting
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My times are idiots, big surprise. That said, I live in truck culture, would love a truck more current than my 83 GM. Can't afford one. They have become luxury items with rims, chrome, power everything, and everything one does not need. My Subaru gets more off-road time than many trucks and jeeps I see.
You have to sift through the bajillion options, but you can still get a truck for a pretty reasonable price. My 2016 F-150 XLT supercab cost me $33K and came with the 301A package with power stuff, the plain Sync, and the 2.7 Ecoboost. I was also looking at an XL supercab with the NA 3.5 that came with the power group and could have got that one for $27K. The only reason I went with the more expensive one is because I planned on using it for road trips to alternate with my 4Runner and give that one a break once in a while.
Certainly these days something like my XLT is "low end". There were plenty of $60K lariats and platinums on the lots when I was looking. More of them than XLTs. You can get plain jane XL regular cab work trucks for the low $20Ks.
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Sigh...I sold my 2002 Nissan Frontier 4 door 4x4 a couple months ago. 212,000 miles. It is a long bed and they are kind of rare. A friend of my son, who is a retired mechanic paid me $4000.00 for it.
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If I could afford a second vehicle, it would probably be a truck. Between the two households, we could probably get enough use out of it to justify it, even if it wasn't big enough for a horse trailer (which is why I haven't brought the idea up with Eric. Mom would be unreasonable on the subject if a truck was purchased that could not potentially pull her precious mare around, despite not having a trailer or even the need for her own truck and trailer to get the horse where it needs to be)
I'd never want a truck for a primary vehicle, but given unlimited funds, I'd have a smallish sedan, an SUV and a truck parked in the driveway and I would be less than concerned if the truck rarely made an appearance on the road. It's one of those things, you may almost never need it, but when you do, you really just need a goddamn truck. There just isn't a great substitute and borrowing/renting is a PITA.
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Sigh...I sold my 2002 Nissan Frontier 4 door 4x4 a couple months ago. 212,000 miles. It is a long bed and they are kind of rare. A friend of my son, who is a retired mechanic paid me $4000.00 for it.
I have the same thing with 112k on it. I'm just shocked how much it is still worth.
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Crap like this is why we do not need the clueless coasters telling us deplorables out here in flyover country how we need to be living our lives.
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Best truck deal I have seen is my dad got a hugely high mileage 2500 fleet truck at auction for 3k. It had a much newer vortec motor in n it though. Spent about a grand on it, has towed across the country several times now, so money well spent.
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zxcvbob remarked,
It does not have cruise control, I kinda wish it did (I think that was why I got a speeding ticket once.)
That's why I call it my honest button.
Three things I routinely ignore:
Coyotes howling in the night.
Kids throwing tantrums.
The New York Times.
I only pay real attention if they're getting closer.
Kingcreek said,
Still runs and hauls just fine but I'm losing the rust battle.
Helps with the gas mileage, though. Rust is heavier than the steel it's made from. I got half a mile/gallon more in my old Chevvy every time I hit a goodly bump and more rust fell off. (Also some of the Bondo.((Came with it when I bought it. (((The rust me and G-d made.))))))
Terry
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"NY Times sent intrepid explorers outside the city limits, what they find will shock you." :rofl:
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Lots of people buy the NYT for no reason. ;/
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Lots of people buy the NYT for no reason. ;/
It used to be really awesome for putting down for puppies to poop on, but the paper quality has gone down in the past few years.
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Touché
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Have these people ever ridden in a Ford F150? I can reach forward and not touch the windshield. I have lots of room around me and don't feel like the truck is wrapped around me. That alone is great.
Yes. My main incentive for going back to a full-sized truck is actually the height, though. I would love to have a vehicle I don't have to crouch down into, and then climb back up out of.
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Aftermarket cruise control units are available.
JC Whitney FTW.
Yes. My main incentive for going back to a full-sized truck is actually the height, though. I would love to have a vehicle I don't have to crouch down into, and then climb back up out of.
This, this, 1000x this.
I like my 2013 Nissan Frontier, but they effed up the front seats and you have to duck to get inside if your back is of a certain length.
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Same mentality is why Hillary lost. There is a civilization outside of NYC, DC, SF and LA.
Trump at least knew to pay lip service to folks outside of NYC, even if he is a lifetime limousine liberal New Yorker.
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I like my 2013 Nissan Frontier, but they effed up the front seats and you have to duck to get inside if your back is of a certain length.
I'm not huge - 70", and I was probably about 225 when I bought my Tacoma - figuring out how to get my stems under the steering wheel, and back out again took a few weeks. No tilt wheel.
Same mentality is why Hillary lost. There is a civilization outside of NYC, DC, SF and LA.
Trump at least knew to pay lip service to folks outside of NYC, even if he is a lifetime limousine liberal New Yorker.
One day, the journalists and other eloi will kill a few forests, analyzing and theorizing how that came about.
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Yes. My main incentive for going back to a full-sized truck is actually the height, though. I would love to have a vehicle I don't have to crouch down into, and then climb back up out of.
Word. I hate crouching to get into a vehicle. I doubt I'll ever own a car again.
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Yeah my company car is a '07 Ford Fukos. What a miserable piece of crap. Anything over about an 75 mile ride and I just kind of have to roll/fall out of the damn thing because it cramps up my back and hip so bad.
Hell even the Prius I had for a loaner was more comfortable to drive.
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2016 Ram 1500 quad cab (aka extended cab), 5.7 V8, 8 speed transmission. 25.5-26 mpg highway. $32k. If I had known to wait a month I could have gotten same for about $28k. 2wd. Love it. Use it all the time to haul stuff I wouldn't or couldn't put in a passenger cabin. The people in the big blue cities who don't even own cars don't get it, so *expletive deleted*ck 'em.
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Same mentality is why Hillary lost. There is a civilization outside of NYC, DC, SF and LA.
Trump at least knew to pay lip service to folks outside of NYC, even if he is a lifetime limousine liberal New Yorker.
Things have reversed a bit. The rural and suburban people are the ones that are more worldly. The ignorant, provincial people who stay within a few miles of where they grew up are liberals in the cities.
Or maybe it is just some people are complete morons who are self absorbed and can't look at the world through any perspective but their own provincial lens.
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Yeah my company car is a '07 Ford Fukos. What a miserable piece of crap. Anything over about an 75 mile ride and I just kind of have to roll/fall out of the damn thing because it cramps up my back and hip so bad.
Hell even the Prius I had for a loaner was more comfortable to drive.
I noted the singular "hip."
FWIW, I had recurring trouble with severe (ER-type severe) cramps in my right hip/ham/tushie/glute.
Totally disabling. I seem to recall that ER people gave me a shot of snake venom on one visit there, but the pain blurred my recollection a little.
Tracked it down to 8 +/- hours sitting in the office plus another hour driving with my wallet in that back pocket.
I obtained a chained wallet from my local hipster/biker/ne'er-do-well store and I now remove it and put it in my lap while sitting or driving. Problem solved.
Just FWIW, if irrelevant, ignore.
Terry, 230RN
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I'm in the minority as someone who like small cars for daily driving duties. Our three vehicles are a 20yo 4Runner (SUV), Honda Odyssey (minivan), and 2013 Ford Focus hatchback. I like driving the Focus because it's peppy, zippy, and is easy to maneuver in heavy NoVA traffic. A few suspension tweaks makes it handle like the proverbial slot car.
My wife doesn't like it though because she thinks a vehicle should have ample space to lounge around like you're on the couch. ;/
Chris
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Things have reversed a bit. The rural and suburban people are the ones that are more worldly. The ignorant, provincial people who stay within a few miles of where they grew up are liberals in the cities.
Or maybe it is just some people are complete morons who are self absorbed and can't look at the world through any perspective but their own provincial lens.
Interesting. I commented on that a number of years ago, here and there. Mostly to friends and relatives I left back east. I noticed how provincial New Yorkers were compared to real people out in the "provinces" when I moved out to Colorado in the sixties.
That New Yorker cover tells the whole story.
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Yeah my company car is a '07 Ford Fukos. What a miserable piece of crap. Anything over about an 75 mile ride and I just kind of have to roll/fall out of the damn thing because it cramps up my back and hip so bad.
Hell even the Prius I had for a loaner was more comfortable to drive.
That is our loaner car at work if your main vehicle is out of service. I needed a new head on my work, 2013 Chyrsler 200 and had to drive the Focus for a 9 days/1200 miles. Horrible vehicle, cramped, loud, bounced all over the road.
I hate my 200 also, but I'm getting close to replacement miles and I'm scared what is going to replace it. We get new work cars after 120k miles.
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Tracked it down to 8 +/- hours sitting in the office plus another hour driving with my wallet in that back pocket.
I obtained a chained wallet from my local hipster/biker/ne'er-do-well store and I now remove it and put it in my lap while sitting or driving. Problem solved.
Just FWIW, if irrelevant, ignore.
Thread drift warning. Why do people put their wallets in their back pocket?
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Thread drift warning. Why do people put their wallets in their back pocket?
The Universe demands it.
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When I upgraded from an apartment to a house last year, I knew a pickup would be indispensible. After several trash runs and trips to Lowe's, I was right. I got a 2004 Ranger XLT with 102k miles on it, but the electrical system has been a problem and I'm not pleased.
I am still a fan of small pickups, when possible I'm hoping to get a Colorado, Frontier, or Tacoma. My daily commute is 8 miles so gas mileage around 16/20 is fine with me.
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The Universe demands it.
I tried it once.
Disadvantages:
- It seemed uncomfortable to sit unevenly.
- Wallet was insecure. Both from accidents, or theft.
- Harder to access, admittedly not by a lot.
Advantages:
- More room in front pocket. Not that much But even with a cell phone, knive, smokes/lighter, my front pockets were rarely that crowded. Maybe other men buy pants with smaller pockets?
I kinda took it as just another sign that normal people are very strange.
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My new truck as of about 3 months ago.
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I needed a new head on my work,
We had a Focus at my old job too, and when I couldn't get the Expedition or truck, I got stuck in the Focus and needed a new head too, because I banged my head getting in every freakin' time. =D
Once in, I actually had plenty of leg room, but contorting into it was a pain for my 6'3" herculean frame. :)
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I noted the singular "hip."
FWIW, I had recurring trouble with severe (ER-type severe) cramps in my right hip/ham/tushie/glute.
Totally disabling. I seem to recall that ER people gave me a shot of snake venom on one visit there, but the pain blurred my recollection a little.
Tracked it down to 8 +/- hours sitting in the office plus another hour driving with my wallet in that back pocket.
I obtained a chained wallet from my local hipster/biker/ne'er-do-well store and I now remove it and put it in my lap while sitting or driving. Problem solved.
Just FWIW, if irrelevant, ignore.
Terry, 230RN
I keep my rather slim wallet on the left side, partly because I'd read somewhere that it could exacerbate hip problems and mostly so it's on the other side from my weapon.
I was really having problems with my hip in the Summer and Fall, more than 5 minutes of walking at a moderate pace had me looking for a place to sit down and some days I was using a cane, A days sailing was getting to be not fun. Brought it up to the Doc on my annual visit in mid-October. X-ray diagnosis was severe osteoarthritis in the hip and moderate to severe arthritis in the lumbar spine. 3 years ago when my back went bad and laid me out for several weeks the MRI was showing only light arthritis in the back and hip.
So I have a 'script for Mobic and take Tylenol as needed.
Not caring for the idea of not being able to do things I want to do I decided it was time to pull my head out of my flabby ass and see what I could do about it. Walking came up as the best exercise. So with prescription anti-inflammatory drugs and Tylenol coursing through my veins I began walking. I made fairly rapid improvements. Starting in late October 15 minute sessions became 30, 30 became 45. I'm now doing a 4 mile loop walk around the neighborhood and have stretched it out to a little over 5 miles a couple of times.
*expletive deleted*ck arthritis.
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Currently driving a 2000 Lincoln Navigator, got it for $1500.
Actually would love to have a Tacoma or a some other small/mid-size 4x4 truck but damn, people thing they are gold plated with the prices they are asking. I've seen upwards to 5 year old trucks going for damn near new prices.
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I just replaced my 1995 F250 with a 1999 F250. 4x4, 183k miles, long bed. $2k
Granted, I'm not the typical suburban dweller, but I'd be severely hampered by not having a pickup. Business uses aside, I buy 8 ft building materials somewhat often; as well as heavy, greasy big machines and parts, and loose bulk material (dirt, mulch, wood).
I commute in a little economy car that gets good fuel mileage and zips nicely though traffic - but my truck probably averages one mission a week that I just can't do with my car.
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Reading this thread, I'm reminded of how nice it is to be average height and build (currently 5'10" and 187lbs). Every car or truck fits me just fine. Oh sure, some are better than others, but I don't have to select a vehicle based on my physical attributes.
Focus for a 9 days/1200 miles. Horrible vehicle, cramped, loud, bounced all over the road.
I agree on the loud part. They didn't put much investment into sound proofing on that car and the window glass is thin to save weight. It isn't an issue in town, but is noticeable on the interstate above 60 miles an hour. I may have the roof treated with sound proofing by a local car audio shop to compensate. Cramped is a function of driver size so I don't find it cramped at all. :P Not sure what you mean by bouncing all over the road as mine is very stable and tracks well. My 4Runner, with LT tires and worn shocks, bounces all over the place.
Chris
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I just replaced my 1995 F250 with a 1999 F250. 4x4, 183k miles, long bed. $2k
Granted, I'm not the typical suburban dweller, but I'd be severely hampered by not having a pickup. Business uses aside, I buy 8 ft building materials somewhat often; as well as heavy, greasy big machines and parts, and loose bulk material (dirt, mulch, wood).
I commute in a little economy car that gets good fuel mileage and zips nicely though traffic - but my truck probably averages one mission a week that I just can't do with my car.
Love to find something like this but I never seem to be in the right place at the right time.
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Love to find something like this but I never seem to be in the right place at the right time.
The body isn't awesome, and I had to sort out an electrical issue. Part of why it was cheap. That said, I don't really care what they look like. It's a work vehicle.
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When I upgraded from an apartment to a house last year, I knew a pickup would be indispensible. After several trash runs and trips to Lowe's, I was right. I got a 2004 Ranger XLT with 102k miles on it, but the electrical system has been a problem and I'm not pleased.
I am still a fan of small pickups, when possible I'm hoping to get a Colorado, Frontier, or Tacoma. My daily commute is 8 miles so gas mileage around 16/20 is fine with me.
I briefly considered the small pickups when I bought my truck (the previous truck also). In general, they cost nearly as much as the full size pickups and the gas mileage is often no better. They are getting pretty dang good gas mileage out of the full size pickups.
If I ever get another pickup in the future, I will take a close look at the Tacoma. The Toyota full size also. We will see.
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I briefly considered the small pickups when I bought my truck (the previous truck also). In general, they cost nearly as much as the full size pickups and the gas mileage is often no better. They are getting pretty dang good gas mileage out of the full size pickups.
If I ever get another pickup in the future, I will take a close look at the Tacoma. The Toyota full size also. We will see.
My lessons learned:
1. A mid-size / smaller 1/2 ton pickup will cost 2/3 what a full size 1/2 ton will. (Or 50% more than a mid-size.) I looked at base 4-door models, very few frills.
2. MPG for mid-size 1/2 ton with beefy V-6 will be about the same for a full sized 1/2 ton pickup with a V-8. IOW, 18-20mpg.
3. Setting up a full size 1/2 ton for decent towing will raise cost to almost that of a 3/4 ton.
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I paid a premium (to the tune of about $ 41 K or so) to buy my loaded 2016 Toyota Tacoma TRD Sport 4x4 as a mid-size alternative to a full-size truck. I could have bought a full-size truck for much cheaper, but I would have been unable to park it in the underground garages of downtown Seattle due to the size and height of the vehicle. I have to go to Seattle on business 2-3 times per month, and mass transit is not a viable option. I don't know how it is in your city with the skyscraper garages, but a whole lot of them in Seattle have a height restriction of 6 feet max. The Tacoma needs 5'11" to fit and even then some of the garages are too cramped for the length of the truck.
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Even though performance, price, and mpg figures favor the bigger trucks, the main reason I personally favor smaller trucks like the Tacoma is that the physical size makes them easier to drive in congested areas and because they'll go places offroad that can be trickier for a larger truck. We're considering an F150 crewcab with 6' bed as our next family vehicle (possibly retiring the 4Runner at the same time). However, if we get one, it'll never spend time in our garage as it's too long to fit.
Chris
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Advantages:
- More room in front pocket. Not that much But even with a cell phone, knive, smokes/lighter, my front pockets were rarely that crowded. Maybe other men buy pants with smaller pockets?
I kinda took it as just another sign that normal people are very strange.
You're definitely right about that last part.
I'd like to know where I can get pants with that much room in the front pockets. My wallet is in back because I'd rather sit on that, than a phone, knife, flashlight, or key-ring. I've never found the wallet to make sitting crooked or uncomfortable.
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Reading this thread, I'm reminded of how nice it is to be average height and build (currently 5'10" and 187lbs). Every car or truck fits me just fine. Oh sure, some are better than others, but I don't have to select a vehicle based on my physical attributes.
I agree on the loud part. They didn't put much investment into sound proofing on that car and the window glass is thin to save weight. It isn't an issue in town, but is noticeable on the interstate above 60 miles an hour. I may have the roof treated with sound proofing by a local car audio shop to compensate. Cramped is a function of driver size so I don't find it cramped at all. :P Not sure what you mean by bouncing all over the road as mine is very stable and tracks well. My 4Runner, with LT tires and worn shocks, bounces all over the place.
Chris
It's a fleet vehicle, so cheapest options. Tires are really skinny and higher pressure, hit a bump or rut and it jumps. I am long trunked and long tibia bones, most vehicles stink for me on terms of comfort. Also a 2007, not as nice as the newer ones.
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Of course they buy them for a reason. They want one, which is all the reason they need.
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I briefly considered the small pickups when I bought my truck (the previous truck also). In general, they cost nearly as much as the full size pickups and the gas mileage is often no better. They are getting pretty dang good gas mileage out of the full size pickups.
If I ever get another pickup in the future, I will take a close look at the Tacoma. The Toyota full size also. We will see.
Near the same thought process as me when I downsized from my F-250. I was actually looking at the Toyotas first.
I figured I'd like the Tacoma because it's the same frame as my 4Runner. I do indeed like it, but a couple of things that moved me away were the retail price and the bed width. I can live with a 6' bed, but really like to be able to lay a sheet of plywood or drywall flat on the bed. You can certainly use the sidewall indents on the Tacoma to make a wheelwell rack, but I ended up migrating away.
On the Tundras, they are actually quite reasonably priced, especially with their nice standard option package, but are severely outdated. Also the only engine options are two V-8s, one anemic, and both gas guzzlers. We're talking 14-18MPG.
The F-150 was actually my third choice (haven't owned one since a 2002 I had), but after researching and sitting in them, I was really impressed with features, and more importantly payload ability with the aluminum beds. Plus the little 2.7L Ecoboost puts out 325hp (more than the Tundra standard V-8) and I reliably get 22mpg around town and 26mpg hwy. Even got it up to 28mpg on a road trip. I'm more impressed with that little engine every day. I hauled near 3/4 ton of gravel with it a while back, and while the rear sank down a bit (the F-250 never even moved), I hit tow/haul mode and you couldn't tell I even had anything in the back. I also simply like all the elbow room in the cab.
I used to have to deal with parking my F-250 in Santa Barbara, so the F-150 is a pleasure, especially where I am now since they don't standardize parking spaces on the Prius. :)
Anyway, as much as I love Toyota quality as evidenced in my 4Runner, the F-150 really was the best bang for the buck for me and my truck needs. Ford has done a really outstanding job on this generation. About the only thing I miss from the F-250 is the ride height. Even I had to kind of get on my tip toes to get in it. The F-150's seat is just about ass height on me, so it's pretty much a straight slide in. :)
On a side note, the venerable Coyote is going away next year to be replaced by a new 4.8L V-8.
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Of course they buy them for a reason. They want one, which is all the reason they need.
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Sounds like a good reason to me.
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Of course they buy them for a reason. They want one, which is all the reason they need.
Fine with me, if they can afford it. And that means if they can and will bear all of the added costs of their vehicle choice.
I get a bit tired of all the "farm trucks" cruising around obviously not being used on a farm. (Half the time parked at an apartment complex, or in a major non-farm employer's lot - the farm truck registration specifically prohibits use of the vehicle for non-farm employment.) Since the state isn't going to the poorhouse over their deep discount registration, that cost gets passed on to everybody else, along with the costs of providing extra wide parking spaces all over town so they can go to the courthouse and Taco Bell in a dually with towing mirrors, then park it on the (narrow residential) street in front of their (strangely lacking in other farm accoutrements, like, say, a field or animals) house.
Meanwhile, the real farmers tend to drive compact pickups or passenger cars 90% of the time, only using the (>10 years old and beat to hell) farm truck when they actually need to haul something that won't fit in the Toyota's trunk.
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Fine with me, if they can afford it. And that means if they can and will bear all of the added costs of their vehicle choice.
I get a bit tired of all the "farm trucks" cruising around obviously not being used on a farm. (Half the time parked at an apartment complex, or in a major non-farm employer's lot - the farm truck registration specifically prohibits use of the vehicle for non-farm employment.) Since the state isn't going to the poorhouse over their deep discount registration, that cost gets passed on to everybody else, along with the costs of providing extra wide parking spaces all over town so they can go to the courthouse and Taco Bell in a dually with towing mirrors, then park it on the (narrow residential) street in front of their (strangely lacking in other farm accoutrements, like, say, a field or animals) house.
Meanwhile, the real farmers tend to drive compact pickups or passenger cars 90% of the time, only using the (>10 years old and beat to hell) farm truck when they actually need to haul something that won't fit in the Toyota's trunk.
Sounds like an issue for the local registration people and DPS enforcement. I don't see that around here too much.
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Sounds like an issue for the local registration people and DPS enforcement.
Been trying to convince the police chief that the department could make a fortune seizing "farm trucks" from the bar parking lots. Let the owners explain what legitimate "farm business" was being conducted at 10PM while slobbering drunk. Last one didn't go for it because it was too much like work, and haven't gotten a good answer from the current one.
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I tried it once.
Disadvantages:
- It seemed uncomfortable to sit unevenly.
- Wallet was insecure. Both from accidents, or theft.
- Harder to access, admittedly not by a lot.
Advantages:
- More room in front pocket. Not that much But even with a cell phone, knive, smokes/lighter, my front pockets were rarely that crowded. Maybe other men buy pants with smaller pockets?
I kinda took it as just another sign that normal people are very strange.
This is why I keep mine in my front pocket. Cell phone front left; wallet, knife, and house key front right.
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Left rear pocket: wallet
Right rear pocket: bandanna
Left front pocket: truck key fob and pocket knife
Right front pocket: keychain/mini tool/keychain light on kubotan
Belt case: smartphone, Leatherman and pen
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Left Rear Pocket: Cellphone if I'm vertical
Right Rear Pocket: Wallet (Allet "thin" wallet)
Left Front Pocket: Keys, maybe small pocket knife if Right front pocket is occupied by j-frame
Right Front Pocket: Knife unless occupied by j-frame
No bat belts for me, but I will sometimes forgo the j-frame in a pocket for a Glock 19 on the belt.
Chris
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Guess that's an advantage of the bike. My wallet is usually in a cargo pocket, but even when I'm in jeans it's well clear of the saddle.
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Left rear pocket: wallet
Right rear pocket: bandanna
I actually do that, too. That way, my identification is opposite my firearm, and I have something handy to daub my be-dewed brow. Gotta have the right color, though. :lol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handkerchief_code
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I actually do that, too. That way, my identification is opposite my firearm, and I have something handy to daub my be-dewed brow. Gotta have the right color, though. :lol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handkerchief_code
My bandannas are a brown digital camo and a gray urban camo, and I think they were something like $ 4 for a three pack at WalMart.
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http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/04/watch-bunch-journalists-freak-asked-know-anybody-drives-truck/
The five most popular vehicle models among Republicans, for example, are all trucks, with the ubiquitous Ford F-150 leading the way. Among Democrats, the Subaru Outback is the most popular choice. If you drive a truck, you’re probably a Republican. If you drive a Subaru, you’re probably a Democrat. Donald Trump won every single state in which the Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle (even Pennsylvania). He won all but four of the states in which the Chevy Silverado is the most popular vehicle, including Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. Hillary Clinton handily won the states where people prefer Subarus.
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http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/04/watch-bunch-journalists-freak-asked-know-anybody-drives-truck/
Heh. I agree with their assessment regarding trucks and Subarus and the general population. It certainly plays out here in CA. What's interesting to me is the number of Subaru owners on APS who are not SJWs. Maybe there's another factor regarding libertarian leanings or something.
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So I own the Toyota Tacoma truck and my wife owns the Subaru Outback. We should therefore cancel each other out from the automotive perspective.
PS: I just counted, and out of the 18 houses in our upscale rural development, only two do not have at least one truck. And one of the two had a truck until two months ago: he traded it in on a 3-row SUV since it was easier for him to get in and out of with his bad back, and their daughter is now in volleyball, so they often have to load up a bunch of twelve-year old girls and their gear to go to games. The most common truck brands in our development are Ford, Toyota, Chevy and Dodge, in that order. More Fords than anything else.
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Are Ford trucks really more popular than GM, or does GMC siphon-off just enough votes from Chevy keep Chevy from winning the election? >:D
I bought a new car right after the bailout, and I bought a Ford because they toughed it out without any taxpayer money.
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So I own the Toyota Tacoma truck and my wife owns the Subaru Outback. We should therefore cancel each other out from the automotive perspective.
PS: I just counted, and out of the 18 houses in our upscale rural development, only two do not have at least one truck. And one of the two had a truck until two months ago: he traded it in on a 3-row SUV since it was easier for him to get in and out of with his bad back, and their daughter is now in volleyball, so they often have to load up a bunch of twelve-year old girls and their gear to go to games. The most common truck brands in our development are Ford, Toyota, Chevy and Dodge, in that order. More Fords than anything else.
What's funny is that if I needed a third vehicle, a subaru would be high on my list. But since I have a 5 mile commute to work, I don't sweat the gas consumption or mileage that my F150 uses.
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What's funny is that if I needed a third vehicle, a subaru would be high on my list. But since I have a 5 mile commute to work, I don't sweat the gas consumption or mileage that my F150 uses.
I guess we all know how I feel about cars :laugh: , but same here - if I were considering a car, a Subaru would be high on my list for practicality.
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Are Ford trucks really more popular than GM, or does GMC siphon-off just enough votes from Chevy keep Chevy from winning the election? >:D
I bought a new car right after the bailout, and I bought a Ford because they toughed it out without any taxpayer money.
When I shopped for my current truck, I didn't even consider a Chevy. I looked at Ford and Toyota.
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Been trying to convince the police chief that the department could make a fortune seizing "farm trucks" from the bar parking lots. Let the owners explain what legitimate "farm business" was being conducted at 10PM while slobbering drunk. Last one didn't go for it because it was too much like work, and haven't gotten a good answer from the current one.
Probably just because it's picayune and paying your government as little as possible however you go about it is usually a good thing.
Just a guess on my part.
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Are Ford trucks really more popular than GM, or does GMC siphon-off just enough votes from Chevy keep Chevy from winning the election? >:D
I bought a new car right after the bailout, and I bought a Ford because they toughed it out without any taxpayer money.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/07/best-selling-pickup-trucks-june-2016.html
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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/07/best-selling-pickup-trucks-june-2016.html
They consider the Honda Ridgeline a truck?
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What's funny is that if I needed a third vehicle, a subaru would be high on my list. But since I have a 5 mile commute to work, I don't sweat the gas consumption or mileage that my F150 uses.
I drive an F150 and ride a Harley and would have no problem with a Forester or Outback as another vehicle.
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What's interesting to me is the number of Subaru owners on APS who are not SJWs. Maybe there's another factor regarding libertarian leanings or something.
<raises hand>
Practicality. No need for a truck right now. Had many trucks in the past. But even on the farm I had cars at the same time. Also had a full cab over camper and trucks with camper shells and a van (Chevvy Greenbrier.)
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They consider the Honda Ridgeline a truck?
Yep, don't worry all pickups will be uni body in a few years.
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Been trying to convince the police chief that the department could make a fortune seizing "farm trucks" from the bar parking lots. Let the owners explain what legitimate "farm business" was being conducted at 10PM while slobbering drunk. Last one didn't go for it because it was too much like work, and haven't gotten a good answer from the current one.
This thinking is what pisses me off. Just because one person pays less in taxes, does not mean that someone else pays more. I've got friends that keep insisting that because Trump (allegedly) paid no taxes for several years, that that 'uncollected' tax burden was born by the poor and middle class. I always ask them to point out where, specifically, on the taxes forms is the line that says "Additional amount due because of other peoples "loopholes".
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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This thinking is what pisses me off. Just because one person pays less in taxes, does not mean that someone else pays more. I've got friends that keep insisting that because Trump (allegedly) paid no taxes for several years, that that 'uncollected' tax burden was born by the poor and middle class. I always ask them to point out where, specifically, on the taxes forms is the line that says "Additional amount due because of other peoples "loopholes".
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
+eleventy billion. That's straight up prog logic right there.
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Was that personal, or corporate tax? Just saying "Trump" paid no taxes is meaningless without clarification. Sounds like one of those half-truths you get from certain d-factions.
Five will get you eight his tax lawyers didn't pay any taxes, either. :D
The pdf of the tax code is about 18 MB. Bet he didn't use a Form 1040EZ.
Terry
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This thinking is what pisses me off. Just because one person pays less in taxes, does not mean that someone else pays more. I've got friends that keep insisting that because Trump (allegedly) paid no taxes for several years, that that 'uncollected' tax burden was born by the poor and middle class. I always ask them to point out where, specifically, on the taxes forms is the line that says "Additional amount due because of other peoples "loopholes".
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Well, yeah, actually it does in many cases as gov'ts do not practice zero based budgeting and have a tendency to raise fees to generate more revenue. Just look at the phenomenon of "court fees" where a citizen can win his case and be found not guilty but still owe for "court fees."
Besides, the larger issue is not "not paying taxes so that others have to pay more." It is a particular class of folk openly getting over and getting away with deceit. That is corrosive for community trust and social capital. Just like illegal aliens here'bouts who get a pass on truck maint, seatbelt, and infant car seat laws. (Among many other laws.)
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They consider the Honda Ridgeline a truck?
It seems so. =|
The Honda Ridgeline pickup was named North American Truck of the Year.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/detroit/chevrolet-bolt-wins-north-american-car-of-the-year/ar-BBy4e0X
=(
bob
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Also out of the auto show, it appears the Bronco is to be resurrected and the Ranger returned to the U.S. market.
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Also out of the auto show, it appears the Bronco is to be resurrected and the Ranger returned to the U.S. market.
Also a diesel F-150 is confirmed for 2018.