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Title: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 15, 2017, 05:54:58 PM
https://vinepair.com/booze-news/walmart-sued-craft-beer/

http://coed.com/2017/02/15/walmart-lawsuit-fake-craft-beer-trouble-brewing-company-info-details-updates/

Wal-Mart is being sued for selling store brand "craft" beer that's not craft beer. In fact, it's produced by a Costa Rican plant owned by weasel pee brewer Genesee Brewing Company, under a nomme-de-bloom "company" that apparently doesn't exist.

Looking on the bright side, it's one thing Wal-Mart is (or was) selling that's not made in China.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: zxcvbob on February 15, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
https://vinepair.com/booze-news/walmart-sued-craft-beer/

http://coed.com/2017/02/15/walmart-lawsuit-fake-craft-beer-trouble-brewing-company-info-details-updates/

Wal-Mart is being sued for selling store brand "craft" beer that's not craft beer. In fact, it's produced by a Costa Rican plant owned by weasel pee brewer Genesee Brewing Company, under a nomme-de-bloom "company" that apparently doesn't exist.

Looking on the bright side, it's one thing Wal-Mart is (or was) selling that's not made in China.

Costco is selling beer now that says "Craft" on the label so many times it must be fake.  ;/ But it tastes pretty good for $20 per case, so who cares? 
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: MillCreek on February 15, 2017, 07:18:40 PM
I think the Kirkland Signature craft beer was made by the same contract brewer that also does Trader Joe's private label beer: Gordon Biersch in San Jose. .
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 15, 2017, 07:42:01 PM
Stuff like this is why I don't drink beer anymore. I've moved on to craft malt liquor. It's made by really small, local breweries. You've probably never heard of them.

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Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: Ben on February 15, 2017, 07:50:22 PM
I think the Kirkland Signature craft beer was made by the same contract brewer that also does Trader Joe's private label beer: Gordon Biersch in San Jose. .

It might just be the Kirkland light beer, but I thought I read they actually used a couple of different brewers, East Coast and West Coast, for more efficient distribution.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: cordex on February 15, 2017, 08:11:28 PM
Stuff like this is why I don't drink beer anymore. I've moved on to craft malt liquor. It's made by really small, local breweries. You've probably never heard of them.
My drink of choice is very geographically exclusive. You can't even buy it outside of their special distribution region. Best of all, they pipe it directly to my house.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: 230RN on February 15, 2017, 08:25:14 PM
Ummm.... I'm guessing craft water...?
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: RocketMan on February 15, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
Cordex, I thought the pipes were supposed to take the yellow liquids out of the house?
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: freakazoid on February 16, 2017, 04:49:43 AM
Cordex, I thought the pipes were supposed to take the yellow liquids out of the house?

It's a closed loop system.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: cordex on February 16, 2017, 07:26:50 AM
It's a closed loop system.
Pretty much. At a certain scale, anyhow.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: HankB on February 16, 2017, 01:49:30 PM
Just because a product - ANY product, but in this case beer - is made by a small company, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's good.

Just because a product - ANY product, but in this case beer - is made by a LARGE company, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad.

If the guy bought some beer and didn't like it . . . the solution is to not buy it again. NOT FILE AN <EXPLETIVE> LAWSUIT.

Next up: Lawsuit against Keebler. It turns out the cookies AREN'T actually baked by elves in a hollow tree - they've been lying to us for decades!
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: brimic on February 16, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
Are the beer hipsters just angry that someone made a pine tar flavored beer with a fake 'craft' designation? :rofl:
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: MechAg94 on February 16, 2017, 07:24:32 PM
Just because a product - ANY product, but in this case beer - is made by a small company, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's good.

Just because a product - ANY product, but in this case beer - is made by a LARGE company, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad.

If the guy bought some beer and didn't like it . . . the solution is to not buy it again. NOT FILE AN <EXPLETIVE> LAWSUIT.

Next up: Lawsuit against Keebler. It turns out the cookies AREN'T actually baked by elves in a hollow tree - they've been lying to us for decades!
Was the guy actually harmed by the beer?  Probably not.
Did the product information on the package have the correct source of the product?  Probably so.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 16, 2017, 08:21:34 PM
Are the beer hipsters just angry that someone made a pine tar flavored beer with a fake 'craft' designation? :rofl:


http://coopaleworks.com/beers/f5-ipa/ (http://coopaleworks.com/beers/f5-ipa/)

My initial impression was that some one fed horses with pine tree, collected the horse pee, mixed it 50/50 with pinesol, fermented it and sold it as beer.

Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: MillCreek on February 16, 2017, 08:30:50 PM
^^^I know we have a lot of hate for IPAs on this board, but I bet I would love this beer.  Give me a double or Imperial IPA with at least 80 IBU any day of the week.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: zxcvbob on February 16, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
^^^I know we have a lot of hate for IPAs on this board, but I bet I would love this beer.  Give me a double or Imperial IPA with at least 80 IBU any day of the week.

I like IPA's, although I think they are overrated.  

What drives me nuts is the "session IPA."  It's not a session IPA, it's just a pale ale, and there's nothing wrong with that.  Just don't make it too bitter.  If you want 80 or 100 IBU's you need lots of malt and lots of alcohol to balance it out.

Local brewpub makes a nice hoppy tripel that's amazing.  That's the next fancy beer style I'm going to try making.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: MillCreek on February 18, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
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Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: zahc on February 18, 2017, 11:39:11 AM
Brewing is a highly automatable and industrializable process. The creative input comes from the recipes and  ingredient selection; the rest is just process control. No real compromises need to be made when scaling up to high volume. In fact, larger breweries have the resources to get their beer to the customer faster and fresher... Sierra Nevada just put a brewery on the East coast, and others are doing the same type of thing. And the big companies also get the contracts for hops and malt, leaving smaller breweries fighting over what's left.  Brewing  is not like cooking, where high volume is more or less opposed to highest quality. If the brewmaster is leaving his personal touch on the beer, he's an epically crap brewmaster.
Title: Re: Is NOTHING sacred?
Post by: sumpnz on February 18, 2017, 09:43:29 PM
Mill Creek - If you are up for an Imperial Stout let me know.  It's in secondary ferment now.  Likely to be bottled in a week or two.  It'll need a while to carbonate and age, but I'm thinking of taking some out to Neah Bay for halibut season (May 4,6).  Should be ready by then.