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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on March 08, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
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I think I need one. Don't have a lot of money to throw at it. Does anyone know anything about this model from Amazon?
https://www.amazon.com/Amebay-Vehicle-Dashboard-Camera-Recorder/dp/B01MQKW6CY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1488985832&sr=8-5&keywords=dash+cam
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I own this and think it is great: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NG84AT0/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NG84AT0/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Getting your Russian motorist on?
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Make sure you get the law enforcement kind, that deletes any video you don't want. [popcorn]
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I use a Old Shark unit
The mount kinda sucks but everything else is good. I received it as a gift otherwise I'd have gotten a lower profile unit
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C-clamp your phone to the rear-view mirror.
Funny thing is, one of my friends got a dashcam to capture all the exciting things on I-25 during his commute.
After that, nothing exciting ever happened.
Coincidence? I think not.
Part of the "PON Effect." ("Perversity Of Nature.")
(Don't know brand or style.)
Terry, 230RN
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C-clamp your phone to the rear-view mirror.
You'll need angle iron for that.
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Funny thing is, one of my friends got a dashcam to capture all the exciting things on I-25 during his commute.
After that, nothing exciting ever happened.
Sounds like a smart investment.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X528FNE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I've got this one and it's handy.
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A colleague told me that current legal advice is not to get one. The reason is that in collision, you are more likely to implicate yourself, than exonerate yourself. Your dash cam data will be subpoena'd, and destroying it or refusing to turn it over will be destruction of evidence or contempt of court. But because dash cams are still rare, other parties in your accident will not have dash cams and it will be their word against your dash cam evidence. They can cook up any plausible story that meshes with your footage to make you look bad. Sort of like what happens when cop shootings happen, and a backstory gets concocted, and the video evidence "proves" the story. IANAL YMMV.
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A colleague told me that current legal advice is not to get one. The reason is that in collision, you are more likely to implicate yourself, than exonerate yourself. Your dash cam data will be subpoena'd, and destroying it or refusing to turn it over will be destruction of evidence or contempt of court. But because dash cams are still rare, other parties in your accident will not have dash cams and it will be their word against your dash cam evidence. They can cook up any plausible story that meshes with your footage to make you look bad. Sort of like what happens when cop shootings happen, and a backstory gets concocted, and the video evidence "proves" the story. IANAL YMMV.
That advice probably makes good sense for people who habitually drive "extra-legally." I don't. I'm the guy everyone hates on the highway -- I drive at the speed limit, I signal before changing lanes, I leave plenty of space between me and the vehicle ahead.
It was the last characteristic that resulted in my recent accident. Heavy, stop-and-go traffic approaching an interstate exit. I was in the right lane, because it was my exit. Left enough space in front that a young woman (with two kids in car seats) came flying up the middle lane, and jumped into the space I had left so she could take the exit. But she was going so fast that she had to slam on her brakes to keep from hitting the car that had been in front of me. I locked up my brakes -- and a brake line popped, so I stopped when I hit her tailgate.
State cop gave me a break. I showed him that my brake peddle went to the floor, and he could see the brake fluid on the road, so he didn't issue a citation. Dash cam would have shown that she cut me off with no signal and essentially gave me a "brake job."
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"State cop gave me a break. I showed him that my brake peddle went to the floor, and he could see the brake fluid on the road, so he didn't issue a citation. Dash cam would have shown that she cut me off with no signal and essentially gave me a "brake job.""
Mtnbkr didn't get any such break from the cops or the judge when a very similar thing happened to him years ago.
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That advice probably makes good sense for people who habitually drive "extra-legally." I don't.
Sorry but this just sounds naive, like people who insist it's ok to talk to the police because they didn't do anything wrong. All evidence can and will be used against you in a court of law yadda yadda...
Also just the fact of having a dash cam may be viewed with suspicion by a jury. Similar to how businesses always have only just as much security as they have to, based on the status quo of what other people are doing. If they use much more security, like people standing around with guns, people start to think it must be more dangerous, or they are "expecting trouble" etc. I'm not saying it's rational.
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When the weather improves and I start to commute by motorcycle, I see a lot of the same riders every day on the route. In recent years, more and more of them are riding along with a GoPro mounted to the top of their helmet. I asked one of them once about it, and he said he used it to document any aggressive drivers or situations that might or would cause him to crash. He had it set to record 15 (if I recall correctly) minutes of video at a time, and then start the 15 minute loop again.
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When the weather improves and I start to commute by motorcycle, I see a lot of the same riders every day on the route. In recent years, more and more of them are riding along with a GoPro mounted to the top of their helmet. I asked one of them once about it, and he said he used it to document any aggressive drivers or situations that might or would cause him to crash. He had it set to record 15 (if I recall correctly) minutes of video at a time, and then start the 15 minute loop again.
By loop, does that mean it starts over every 15 minutes and deletes the old file or does it always have the last 15 minutes?
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^^^My interpretation was that he always had the last 15 minutes of video. I know nothing about GoPro cameras, so any mistakes in my story are my fault.
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I use a Phone app and my iPhone and it works quite well! Plenty of features too. It is OsmAnd DVR: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/osmand-dvr/id963873905?mt=8 Dirt cheap and works GREAT! Here's an example of what it looks like in action: https://youtu.be/LDX9Nz4F8F0
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The Dash Cam in my truck saved me from a ticket last in 2015. Nice to have video with GPS speed info embedded in it when I said "I wasn't driving 80, officer." YMMV
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The Dash Cam in my truck saved me from a ticket last in 2015. Nice to have video with GPS speed info embedded in it when I said "I wasn't driving 80, officer." YMMV
Now that is interesting. I've never really looked into them and didn't know they do that. I'd look at the speed information as more of a primary use than the video if it's embedded in such a way that a cop or court will accept it.
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I use a Phone app and my iPhone and it works quite well! Plenty of features too. It is OsmAnd DVR: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/osmand-dvr/id963873905?mt=8 Dirt cheap and works GREAT! Here's an example of what it looks like in action: https://youtu.be/LDX9Nz4F8F0
But if I use my phone as a dash cam, I won't be able to text while driving.
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The one I showed will record GPS info, speed, direction, TOD, elevation, audio, save after n minutes and start a new file. After n files/meg, it will overwrite the oldest file. It's also very configurable.
You can still get and answer calls using Bluetooth/hands free with it running.
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TOD,
Time of Death? Top of Descent? Torrent on Demand?
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Totality Of Destruction
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Time of day, vs time to or from start.
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Time Of Day
It is also easily exportable/uploadable to your YouTube account etc..
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Popped up on Amazon Deals today. Normally $245. Today only, $75.
https://www.amazon.com/Lumina-Dashboard-Camcorder-Recorder-G-Sensor/dp/B01G6KHWAS/ref=gbps_tit_s-3_bb19_cd176de0?smid=APBASW1H82KJH&pf_rd_p=41fd713f-6bfe-4299-a021-d2b94872bb19&pf_rd_s=slot-3&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=gb_main&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=QX80SWDV8PHGVN4KMFHQ
No idea if it's worth a darn.
Brad
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It isn't if they never ship it.
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A colleague told me that current legal advice is not to get one. The reason is that in collision, you are more likely to implicate yourself, than exonerate yourself. Your dash cam data will be subpoena'd, and destroying it or refusing to turn it over will be destruction of evidence or contempt of court. But because dash cams are still rare, other parties in your accident will not have dash cams and it will be their word against your dash cam evidence. They can cook up any plausible story that meshes with your footage to make you look bad. Sort of like what happens when cop shootings happen, and a backstory gets concocted, and the video evidence "proves" the story. IANAL YMMV.
If the dash cam is not noted by first responders, then it would seem that nobody except you would even know footage would exist. Then you and/or your own lawyer can decide whether or not to introduce it later on after reviewing it yourselves.
Or . . . if it wasn't on, or the memory card wasn't in it . . . how could someone who decided to subpoena the footage prove its existence anyway?
IANAL YMMV
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Or . . . if it wasn't on, or the memory card wasn't in it . . . how could someone who decided to subpoena the footage prove its existence anyway?
This; I generally stored my GoPro in a suction mount on my windshield. Maybe 1% of the time it was actually on, and that pretty much when I was in Dallas or on ice. The 2 hour battery life generally precluded using it for the entirety of long trips, and the PITA startup process kept it from being used on normal daily driving.
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I bought a cheap one direct from china. Instructions sucked but it works. Has a g sensor that locks memory if g force is high. It continues to record for 5 mins then it locks that and the 15 mins before.
I am curious about the 360 versions
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This site and forum are tough to beat for in-depth reviews of different dashcams: https://dashcamtalk.com/
I use this one in my commute car: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U0OJMYG/
While the outer plastic shell is the same as some units others have posted, the sensor and lens glass are superior. Though you have to pay for what you're getting. There are often Youtube videos for different dashcams, sometimes two or three units on the same drive so you can compare the video quality directly, again dashcamtalk is a good place find links to same.
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I bought a cheap one direct from china. Instructions sucked but it works. Has a g sensor that locks memory if g force is high. It continues to record for 5 mins then it locks that and the 15 mins before.
Looked at some like that at one point, but personally I'd rather have 5 minutes (or less) before and as much as possible, with audio, after. (Since virtually all of my driving is in Texas, with single party recording consent, no issues with audio recording.) No point having 15 minutes of driving (with any possible violations) when it's highly likely that only the last few seconds before impact are relevant, but if someone inadvertently admits to something, or just starts getting belligerent in the aftermath, I want that caught.
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We use DriveCam on our company vehicles. It saves 10 seconds before, and 10 seconds after. 2 lenses, 1 forward, 1 rearward. It records all sound for the 20 seconds, and the video shows a readout of g forces on 3 axes at all points in the video. Also has speed and GPS coordinates.
Works well!