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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: wmenorr67 on April 13, 2017, 12:56:46 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html
Message sent.....
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Where is the video? You know they made one. =|
bob
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Check out the story...
Massive Ordinance...
What, it's a big law?
Stupid shits. Doesn't anyone know how to like language anymore?
f*expletive deleted*tards!
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Didn't we use one of those during some op in the Middle East, and British forces nearby reported a nuclear detonation?
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It's as powerful as an atomic bomb!!!
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/04/13/supernatural-actor-misha-collins-sees-mother-of-all-proof-that-trump-must-be-stopped/
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Didn't we use one of those during some op in the Middle East, and British forces nearby reported a nuclear detonation?
I think the only place we ever dropped a live one was in Florida during testing.
bob
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Didn't we use one of those during some op in the Middle East, and British forces nearby reported a nuclear detonation?
BLU-82, same idea, same delivery, this one more loudenboomer. No air left in caves I hope.
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I think the only place we ever dropped a live one was in Florida during testing.
bob
So that's what has caused all those Florida Men to suddenly emerge from their hiding places.
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So what happened to those anti-bridge bombs used in Europe during WW 2? The ones with super-heavy and dense tips that would penetrate deep into the ground and thus send the shockwave of the explosion into the foundation of the bridge causing the span to fall.
Wouldn't those collapse caves just as well?
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It's as powerful as an atomic bomb!!!
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/04/13/supernatural-actor-misha-collins-sees-mother-of-all-proof-that-trump-must-be-stopped/
Now that's just priceless.
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BLU-82, same idea, same delivery, this one more loudenboomer. No air left in caves I hope.
The BLU-82 "daisy cutter" is only 15,000 lbs. A veritable pipsqueak.
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MOAB identity itself as a nuke!
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So what happened to those anti-bridge bombs used in Europe during WW 2? The ones with super-heavy and dense tips that would penetrate deep into the ground and thus send the shockwave of the explosion into the foundation of the bridge causing the span to fall.
Wouldn't those collapse caves just as well?
We've been working on those too.
There's a ground penetrating version of the MOAB that's... I dunno, about half or less of the the explosive payload, but the whole bomb is still about the same size. It's just got a heavy armored body to punch through several meters of solid rock before it detonates.
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I heard this new bomb was about 11 MAGA-tons.
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I heard this new bomb was about 11 MAGA-tons.
I am SO stealing that for Facebook, because it will really piss of some of my snowflake friends...
Very well done.
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It was the most beautiful explosion ever and it killed a lot of bad very bad men.
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I heard this new bomb was about 11 MAGA-tons.
Make Arabs Grovel Again?
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There's a ground penetrating version of the MOAB that's... I dunno, about half or less of the the explosive payload, but the whole bomb is still about the same size. It's just got a heavy armored body to punch through several meters of solid rock before it detonates.
That one is really cool. The first warhead detonates, blows a hole in the mountain, the next warhead detonates further down, then the third, etc. If that one doesn't go down far enough to get the enemy (probably Iran's centrifuges), then they just drop another on the same hole.
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I remember in PG1 we needed some bunker busters but nobody had any so we (ever resourceful) turned 8 inch artillery barrels GBU-28 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28) into penetrators and they actually worked quite well. After that the need for penetrators was awakened once again and they have built some pretty neat things. :)
bob
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I remember in PG1 we needed some bunker busters but nobody had any so we (ever resourceful) turned 8 inch artillery barrels GBU-28 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28) into penetrators and they actually worked quite well. After that the need for penetrators was awakened once again and they have built some pretty neat things. :)
bob
They had one of those on display out at the Air Force museum at Wright Pat after Gulf War I with testing videos. Apparently they would penetrate something like 75 feet of solid rock before going all splody.
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It's a lot more important for a message to be received than for it to be sent.
Given the distinct lack of success of messaging to Afghanistan from pretty much everyone ever, I have a lot of doubt this will make any meaningful difference in anything.
Blowing *expletive deleted*it up looks cool, though.
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It's a lot more important for a message to be received than for it to be sent.
Given the distinct lack of success of messaging to Afghanistan from pretty much everyone ever, I have a lot of doubt this will make any meaningful difference in anything.
Blowing *expletive deleted*it up looks cool, though.
From what I gather, killing people and breaking things is about all their respond to. This is a start.
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I am SO stealing that for Facebook, because it will really piss of some of my snowflake friends...
Very well done.
My pleasure. If you really want to mess with them, say it was 14.88 (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=14%2F88) MAGA-tons.
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USA Today had some math problems also.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9Ub93zV0AAtjaF.jpg)
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http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/04/13/lol-power-of-the-moab-translated-for-easier-understanding-by-some/
Sam Valley @SamValley
The bomb is equivalent to the power of 1 trillion Obama administration hashtags. https://twitter.com/stevebruskcnn/status/852558487070674945 …
:laugh:
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We SHOULD have used it (or its predecessor) when Muqtada al-Sadr was holding one of his frequent and well-publicized "Death to America" rallies with his so-called Mahdi Arm in Sadr City.
But we didn't. :mad: :facepalm:
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USA Today had some math problems also.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9Ub93zV0AAtjaF.jpg)
I guess a "kilo" just means 2.2 lb of heroin to them?
Ah, well, what's a mere 3 orders of magnitude to a hophead?
MOAB 101:
https://youtu.be/RFTQZ48J3kU
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Shouldn't that have been 15 kilotons in the USA today "graphic?"
I guess a "kilo" just means 2.2 lb of heroin to them?
Ah, well, what's a mere 3 orders of magnitude to a hophead?
Beat me to it.
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We SHOULD have used it (or its predecessor) when Muqtada al-Sadr was holding one of his frequent and well-publicized "Death to America" rallies with his so-called Mahdi Arm in Sadr City.
But we didn't. :mad: :facepalm:
You are assuming that we actually want to win this war with Wahhabi/Salafi Islam.
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We SHOULD have used it (or its predecessor) when Muqtada al-Sadr was holding one of his frequent and well-publicized "Death to America" rallies with his so-called Mahdi Arm in Sadr City.
But we didn't. :mad: :facepalm:
I think several 2000 pound bombs spaced out would do that better. Might not be quite the same message though.
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It's a lot more important for a message to be received than for it to be sent.
Given the distinct lack of success of messaging to Afghanistan from pretty much everyone ever, I have a lot of doubt this will make any meaningful difference in anything.
Blowing *expletive deleted*it up looks cool, though.
It's quite possible the message was for the fat kid.
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It's quite possible the message was for the fat kid.
I had the same thought. Also, this was supposed to be the day of the NorKoTerrorist's "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT."
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Oh dear, I seem to have triggered some of the Trump Hating Fucksticks on my Facebook friends list with a very direct post on this subject...
One of them is even questioning when I lost my humanity...
Well, never, but I did have it VERY tightly redefined on September 11, 2001, when I watched people falling/jumping from the top floors of the World Trade Center towers...
That's the day when I stopped caring about how we killed terrorists, why we killed terrorists, when we killed terrorists, or where we killed terrorists (although I do prefer them to be killed, very, very messily, in their own dung heaps). And, I really don't care that much about civilian casualties who might get caught up in the killing of terrorists, because as often as not, those people are either actively or passively complicit in their support for terrorists who attack the west.
Let the fire fly.
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Oh dear, I seem to have triggered some of the Trump Hating Fucksticks on my Facebook friends list with a very direct post on this subject...
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Funny you should pick that particular image...
Because the one guy accusing me of losing my humanity is... Aussie.
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From what I gather, killing people and breaking things is about all their respond to. This is a start.
Not really. Their people have been killed and their things have been broken by everyone from Mongols to the British Empire (multiple times), to Soviet Union. US has been breaking their things for a decade and a half.
The effect seems to be negligible.
It's quite possible the message was for the fat kid.
That's a possibility.
He is also not very receptive to messaging, though.
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Oh, I just noticed U.S.A Today's fine print on the bottom of that thing on the MOAB:
"NOTE: The GBU-42B conventional bomb has the second-largest explosive yield of any non-nuclear U:S. (sic) device. SOURCE USA TODAY research "
But the atomic artillery shell yielded only 72 tons eq. of TNT, that is, 0.072 kilotons of TNT eq.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W48
The W48 was 6.1 inches (155 mm) in diameter and 33.3 inches long. It came in two models, Mod 0 and Mod 1, which are reported to have weighed 118 and 128 pounds respectively. It had an explosive yield equivalent to 72 tons of TNT (0.072 kiloton), which is very small for a nuclear weapon.[1][2]
I'm confused. Am I reading that "NOTE" wrong?
Do I need more coffee this morning?
Terry, 230RN
Cf also: Davy Crockett Atomic mortar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
"The Mk-54 weighed about 51 lb (23 kg), with a yield equivalent to somewhere between 10 and 20 tons of TNT—very close to the minimum practical size and yield for a fission warhead."
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So apparently the USAToday infographic was printed correctly in the print version. Either that twitter version was fubar'd or it is faked.
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https://youtu.be/mWZbrwb1mLQ
Test of artillery man-carryable nuke.
I'll go along with the twitter infographic as being FUBARed or Fake.
But I needed more coffee anyway.
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So apparently the USAToday infographic was printed correctly in the print version. Either that twitter version was fubar'd or it is faked.
Either way, it accomplished its purpose. [tinfoil]
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Not really. Their people have been killed and their things have been broken by everyone from Mongols to the British Empire (multiple times), to Soviet Union. US has been breaking their things for a decade and a half.
So what you are saying is violence is all they know which is pretty much what I said.
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It looks like they chose to use the MOAB because it'd collapse the tunnels they were using, preventing future use of them as shelters and transfer systems.
The physics get quite interesting. In tunnels, fragmentation(the biggest killer in open terrain) is generally non-lethal very quickly because twisty tunnels stop fragments. However, the restricted space can vastly increase the distance where overpressure will kill. But a third effect can take place with the really big bombs - the explosion pushes out all the breathable air and they suffocate before sufficient fresh air can reach them.
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It looks like they chose to use the MOAB because it'd collapse the tunnels they were using, preventing future use of them as shelters and transfer systems.
The physics get quite interesting. In tunnels, fragmentation(the biggest killer in open terrain) is generally non-lethal very quickly because twisty tunnels stop fragments. However, the restricted space can vastly increase the distance where overpressure will kill. But a third effect can take place with the really big bombs - the explosion pushes out all the breathable air and they suffocate before sufficient fresh air can reach them.
Putting thermobaric munitions into the mouth of caves in that region was popular about 14 years ago. Probably still is or soon will be. ;)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/blu-118.htm
bob
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Not really. Their people have been killed and their things have been broken by everyone from Mongols to the British Empire (multiple times), to Soviet Union. US has been breaking their things for a decade and a half.
The effect seems to be negligible.
That's because they attribute every setback to the Will of Allah, and just keep on keeping on.
Which is why eventually we're going to have to nuke the entire area and turn it into a sea of glass.
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It looks like they chose to use the MOAB because it'd collapse the tunnels they were using, preventing future use of them as shelters and transfer systems.
The physics get quite interesting. In tunnels, fragmentation(the biggest killer in open terrain) is generally non-lethal very quickly because twisty tunnels stop fragments. However, the restricted space can vastly increase the distance where overpressure will kill. But a third effect can take place with the really big bombs - the explosion pushes out all the breathable air and they suffocate before sufficient fresh air can reach them.
Yeah, I heard today that the blast killed 32 terrorists, and figured the tunnels must have been the target. That would be a lot of time and money for just 32.
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Yeah, I heard today that the blast killed 32 terrorists, and figured the tunnels must have been the target. That would be a lot of time and money for just 32.
I heard the same thing thing, but they didn't say or they don't know, if any people where in the tunnels.
Either way that's 32 least problems!!
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That's because they attribute every setback to the Will of Allah, and just keep on keeping on.
Which is why eventually we're going to have to nuke the entire area and turn it into a sea of glass.
Make Afghanistan Glass Again?
I get tired of the bombing makes more terrorists tripe. Yep, sure does, noob untrained ones. Easier to kill and less capable of sophisticated attacks. Rinse lather repeat.
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Apparently the other latest thing is claiming a single MOAB costs $314 million. Which was the development cost. Actual unit cost is $170k. Roughly on par with normal dumb bomb cost scaling. If you divide out the MOAB dev costs by number of units made, works out to $16 million per.
We can make it a lot cheaper by dropping more of them.
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Looks like the kill numbers are going up, and the MSM is starting to report Rev's cost numbers.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/04/15/number-of-isis-fighters-killed-by-moab-rises-cost-conscious-lefties-remain-unimpressed/
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Apparently the other latest thing is claiming a single MOAB costs $314 million. Which was the development cost. Actual unit cost is $170k. Roughly on par with normal dumb bomb cost scaling. If you divide out the MOAB dev costs by number of units made, works out to $16 million per.
We can make it a lot cheaper by dropping more of them.
Econmoy of scale is a wonderful thng.
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"cost-conscious lefties?"
Bu-wah-hah-hahhhhhhh.
Only when it suits their agenda.
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Even 2000 lb dumb bombs are pretty expensive. War isn't cost effective unless you factor in the cost of doing nothing.
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Anyone remember what happened the last time the left tried to fight a war on a budget?
Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?
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Apparently the other latest thing is claiming a single MOAB costs $314 million. Which was the development cost. Actual unit cost is $170k. Roughly on par with normal dumb bomb cost scaling. If you divide out the MOAB dev costs by number of units made, works out to $16 million per.
We can make it a lot cheaper by dropping more of them.
yeah, sunk cost fallacy is a thing. Each bomb costs $170k. The $314M was already spent, it's gone.
Hell, it probably cost more than $170k to fly the plane over and drop the thing. One shouldn't forget the knock-on effects of the US doing something "differently" when there's call for it. Consider the impact of the news here in the US, then consider what it might be like over there.
That said, it's looking more and more like this was the correct decision.
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yeah, sunk cost fallacy is a thing. Each bomb costs $170k. The $314M was already spent, it's gone.
Hell, it probably cost more than $170k to fly the plane over and drop the thing. One shouldn't forget the knock-on effects of the US doing something "differently" when there's call for it. Consider the impact of the news here in the US, then consider what it might be like over there.
That said, it's looking more and more like this was the correct decision.
Averaged cost is still a valid thing. Claiming the total program cost is the same as one bomb is the issue. It's very dishonest. The amount of disinformation is actually pretty surprising.
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone come across the longitude and latitude of where the Afghan MOAB was dropped? I've seen some talk about the general area (province) of it's drop, but not exact location.
SOMEONE must know - from the number of people that heard it go off, I gather it was kind of hard to overlook.
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone come across the longitude and latitude of where the Afghan MOAB was dropped? I've seen some talk about the general area (province) of it's drop, but not exact location.
SOMEONE must know - from the number of people that heard it go off, I gather it was kind of hard to overlook.
Yeah, right. The only people that can tell you where it was "dropped" are the Trump administration's crisis actors. [tinfoil] :lol:
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Holy hell...
One of my Aussie Facebook friends, who was ALL for launching 60 cruise missiles into Syria, unfriended me over the MOAB and my happiness that it was used effectively.
What a hypocritical little mommy parts waffle.
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Holy hell...
One of my Aussie Facebook friends, who was ALL for launching 60 cruise missiles into Syria, unfriended me over the MOAB and my happiness that it was used effectively.
What a hypocritical little mommy parts waffle.
Why is one good and the other bad?
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Why is one good and the other bad?
For that matter, I just don't get the uproar over the MOAB at all. It's a bomb. A big bomb, but still just a conventional bomb. I know, it's a left-driven attack on the administration. But seriously, short of a nuclear weapon, how is this any different than using 11 one-ton bombs, or 22 500 lb. bombs? Same explosive yield, but fewer devices.
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Why is one good and the other bad?
That's what I kept asking him. He kept ignoring the question.
He seemed to be incensed by the size of the MOAB.
OK, 11,000 pounds of explosives... You do realize that those 60 cruise missiles had a combined 60,000 pounds of explosive?
That didn't matter to him. Far more, but smaller, packages were apparently somehow more noble.
He was bitching about "what if they had missed and the bomb went off target???"
He apparently didn't like my explanation that the only living things in that area were either US/Afghani military or terrorists because not a lot of people living where theres: no soil to farm, no grass for animals to eat, no surface water, etc.
The area that was bombed is almost entirely uninhabited.
Next thing I know I get a text with "You're not a nice person! Adios!" and I'm unfriended. :rofl:
I guess you don't think anything is a threat when you're on the bottom of the world surrounded by thousands of miles of ocean on each side. What a hypocritical tool.
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That's what I kept asking him. He kept ignoring the question.
He seemed to be incensed by the size of the MOAB.
OK, 11,000 pounds of explosives... You do realize that those 60 cruise missiles had a combined 60,000 pounds of explosive?
That didn't matter to him. Far more, but smaller, packages were apparently somehow more noble.
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As opposed to flying two airliners into two buildings full of mostly innocent people?
And each airliner weighing, oh, call it 400 tons*, full of jet fuel and other organic matter ?
Terry
* Just a guesstimate. Corrections invited.
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As I said, raging hypocrite.
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I'm reminded of Jeff Cooper's remarks on violence begetting violence:
"One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that 'violence begets violence.' I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy."
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/quotations-jeff-cooper
Terry
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Maybe his inner woman woke and he is offended by y the sexiest nickname.
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"And each airliner weighing, oh, call it 400 tons*, full of jet fuel and other organic matter ?"
Bit high.
The Boeing 767 (both WTC planes) has a maximum take off weight of around 206 tons.
The Boeing 757 (Pentagon) has a MTOW of about 110 tons.
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Why is one good and the other bad?
Afghanimastan is George W. Bush's war?
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Continuing my amused analysis of Irwin's Aussie unfriend's attitudes...
"That didn't matter to him. Far more, but smaller, packages were apparently somehow more noble."
Well, of course! How many packages of Black Cat firecrackers does it take to make 11,000 pounds?
Much more betterer and moraler.
Oh, and thanks for the requested correction.
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Continuing my amused analysis of Irwin's Aussie unfriend's attitudes...
60 cruise missiles used in Syria: response for gas attack . Good Trump
MOAB in Afghanistan: More wasted money in Bush's war. Plus the Moab attack, was political statement. Bad Trump
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For that matter, I just don't get the uproar over the MOAB at all.
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Which is why eventually we're going to have to nuke the entire area and turn it into a sea of glass.
Can we tune the bombs just right so it's parabolic, then polish it, silver it and use a geostationary satellite to make it a huge Newtonian telescope?
And can we use a bunch of really huge visible green lasers around the crater/mirror to position the satellite or something?
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-08-2015/bq3mas.gif)
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. . . The area that was bombed is almost entirely uninhabited . . .
Bomb apparently was dropped at 34.073336 N, 70.631215 E. Not much detail visible on Google Earth, but right up to the mountains there appear to be cultivated fields.
What do they grow?
Well, the town or settlement of "Shaddle Bazar" is supposed to be 1.5 miles away from Ground Zero, and a quick Google search yielded an old BBC article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6957238.stm) about this being a very large market for the opium trade.
So my guess is the fields are mostly opium poppies.
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Well, all that fixed nitrogen from the bomb going off ought to help the next crop.
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Far more, but smaller, packages were apparently somehow more noble.
Weird, I thought small munitions were even more evil. Cluster bomblets are quite small, but when you use those people start complaining about UXO and kids without legs.
Sizeist at both ends of the spectrum.
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As opposed to flying two airliners into two buildings full of mostly innocent people?
And each airliner weighing, oh, call it 400 tons*, full of jet fuel and other organic matter ?
Terry
* Just a guesstimate. Corrections invited.
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Imagine the outrage if they dropped MOOBS on Afghanistan...
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MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Imagine the outrage if they dropped MOOBS on Afghanistan...
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Selfie?
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STOP!
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STOP!
Thank the Maker for AdBlock.
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How about these:
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Holy hell...
One of my Aussie Facebook friends, who was ALL for launching 60 cruise missiles into Syria, unfriended me over the MOAB and my happiness that it was used effectively.
What a hypocritical little mommy parts waffle.
Don't ya just love it when the trash takes it's self out?!
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Damn. Photoshopping notwithstanding, I was just about to hit the hay.