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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on May 23, 2017, 08:45:14 AM
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So I have Toyota Entune Premium with navigation in my 4Runner. It's my first "integrated" voice system in a vehicle and I mostly love it. I can say stuff like "listen to Underground Garage" and it will find that station for me with no pre-programming necessary. While city street navigation is not as good as Google, I have found (at least out West) that offroad navigation, like forest service roads and practically down to cow trails, is phenomenal.
In the little over three years I've had the vehicle, it has always mostly functioned well. A few times a year it might freeze up and reset itself within a few minutes. Well, starting last month, the stupid thing freezes and resets randomly and frequently, and usually at the most inopportune times, like three minutes before I have to navigate through some complex offramp system in a big city. So off to the googles to see what's up. Sure enough, there is a TSB out on this and it's a pretty easy firmware fix. Yay! Or not. :mad:
The TSB is a free fix at the dealer... if it's brought in before the warranty is out. This started for me literally a couple of weeks after the 3 year warranty ended in March. Grrr. Then, going straight from Grrr to triple dog Grrr, reading the TSB, it's a super easy firmware fix. Easier to do than a router firmware update. Just download the update to a USB stick, put it in the system and hit "install". Only they don't let owners access the update file. You have to be a Toyota tech to logon to the web page to download the file. :mad: :mad: :mad:
So now I have to take the thing into the dealer and pay them $50 to stick a USB drive into the radio and click "install". Next time I'm in for an oil change, I'm going to try and sweet talk, whine, or grumble my way into some kind of discount for it. But what a stupid thing for them to do. Especially since they have sent out two OTA updates since I've owned the vehicle. If they don't want owners mucking with things (which I can understand, given some people's computer skills) there is no reason they couldn't have done this as a free OTA update. Quadruple dog Grrr.
/rant
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That's annoying, but at least it's only $50. Think about it like paying $50 for a proprietary software package.
It could be worse. It could be something that impacts the driveability of the vehicle.
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That's annoying, but at least it's only $50. Think about it like paying $50 for a proprietary software package.
It could be worse. It could be something that impacts the driveability of the vehicle.
True enough. First world problems. :)
Though to add insult to injury, I read this morning that Ford just released their latest firmware and software update for Sync. OTA. Or you can download it to USB and do it that way in your driveway.
Ford is actually really good in that regard. I can program new keys, turn seat belt warnings on and off, change all kinds of indicators and warnings, all without taking the truck to the dealer. Plus they let you use FORScan software, that lets you do even more via your phone and ODBII.
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Think about it like paying $50 for a proprietary software package.
More like being forced to pay $50 for something you've already paid in full for. This is why I despise the software market; if hardware doesn't do exactly what it claims, it's fixed free, but if software doesn't live up to its claims, you get to keep paying for the (pathetic) attempts to fix it.
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More like being forced to pay $50 for something you've already paid in full for. This is why I despise the software market; if hardware doesn't do exactly what it claims, it's fixed free, but if software doesn't live up to its claims, you get to keep paying for the (pathetic) attempts to fix it the problems caused by the last free OTA update.
FTFY.
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FTFY.
Funny, in some of my googling on the Toyota forums, they're pretty sure that's the reason things started screwing up for people and why they had to release the TSB. :lol:
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What version are you using? Settings menu, update software, I believe it shows what version it is in the lower left.
Do you have the smartphone app paired to your head unit? If so, do so. Then check the version number again.
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What version are you using? Settings menu, update software, I believe it shows what version it is in the lower left.
Do you have the smartphone app paired to your head unit? If so, do so. Then check the version number again.
I can't remember. I saw what the latest version is when I was googling last night. I do use the Entune app and I was actually gonna check that when I get in the vehicle to go to Costco this morning. :)
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I can't remember. I saw what the latest version is when I was googling last night. I do use the Entune app and I was actually gonna check that when I get in the vehicle to go to Costco this morning. :)
Also, set the radio to connect for data over bluetooth
Edit: PM'ing instructions and link to file
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Also, set the radio to connect for data over bluetooth
Already done. :)
It has done OTAs in the past, but this last one is not being released by Toyota. It could be that the previous two were just software and not firmware. This fix definitely requires new firmware from what the TSB said. Ford allows user firmware updates, but apparently Toyota does not.
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Already done. :)
It has done OTAs in the past, but this last one is not being released by Toyota. It could be that the previous two were just software and not firmware. This fix definitely requires new firmware from what the TSB said. Ford allows user firmware updates, but apparently Toyota does not.
*gigglesnort*
In case anyone else is wondering, I sent Ben the link to the actual official Toyota website that has the firmware updates. There is nothing stating that Ben is forbidden from doing so. There is no bypassing of authentication or anything saying it must be done by an authorized technician.
Took about... 2? 3 minutes?
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*gigglesnort*
In case anyone else is wondering, I sent Ben the link to the actual official Toyota website that has the firmware updates. There is nothing stating that Ben is forbidden from doing so. There is no bypassing of authentication or anything saying it must be done by an authorized technician.
Took about... 2? 3 minutes?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/F7yLXA5fJ5sLC/giphy.gif)
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*gigglesnort*
In case anyone else is wondering, I sent Ben the link to the actual official Toyota website that has the firmware updates. There is nothing stating that Ben is forbidden from doing so. There is no bypassing of authentication or anything saying it must be done by an authorized technician.
Took about... 2? 3 minutes?
Unfortunately that ended up being the AUG 2016 update that installed via OTA. Thanks for trying though! Much appreciated. :)
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Unfortunately that ended up being the AUG 2016 update that installed via OTA. Thanks for trying though! Much appreciated. :)
Boo. What firmware are ya running?
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Looks like 0101A1 and I need to get to 0101C1.
The TSB shows the install file as 01030-PANSC-14C, which I did a search for, but no dice.
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I wonder if there is a way to find a copy of it to download, perhaps a torrent?
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[PDF]Entune Audio Head Unit Software Update (Panasonic) - Toyota Nation ...
www.toyotanation.com/.../5114d1425671794-entune-software-version-location-toyot...
Dec 22, 2014 - 01030-PANSC-14C. 1. Entuneâ„¢. Premium. Audio. 13TDANNA-DA00_0193.kwi. * Essential SST. MULTIMEDIA SOFTWARE FILE DOWNLOAD.
[PDF]toyota - NHTSA
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2014/SB-10061295-2273.pdf
Dec 22, 2014 - 01030-PANSC-14C. 1 ... MULTIMEDIA SOFTWARE FILE DOWNLOAD ... Reference Documents - "Multimedia Software Download Instructions".
Toyota entune update download | pdfsea.net
www.pdfsea.net/result/toyota-entune-update-download
Toyota entune update download. ... Download the Entune ... Get Started with Entune . ... Update-Panasonic* 01030-PANSC-14C 1 Entune ... Filename: ...
Google this:"01030-PANSC-14C" download
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[PDF]Entune Audio Head Unit Software Update (Panasonic) - Toyota Nation ...
www.toyotanation.com/.../5114d1425671794-entune-software-version-location-toyot...
Dec 22, 2014 - 01030-PANSC-14C. 1. Entuneâ„¢. Premium. Audio. 13TDANNA-DA00_0193.kwi. * Essential SST. MULTIMEDIA SOFTWARE FILE DOWNLOAD.
[PDF]toyota - NHTSA
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2014/SB-10061295-2273.pdf
Dec 22, 2014 - 01030-PANSC-14C. 1 ... MULTIMEDIA SOFTWARE FILE DOWNLOAD ... Reference Documents - "Multimedia Software Download Instructions".
Toyota entune update download | pdfsea.net
www.pdfsea.net/result/toyota-entune-update-download
Toyota entune update download. ... Download the Entune ... Get Started with Entune . ... Update-Panasonic* 01030-PANSC-14C 1 Entune ... Filename: ...
Google this:
Those are just the pdfs. Already found those.
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Those are just the pdfs. Already found those.
Sorry, thought they might lead to the actual file.
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Sorry, thought they might lead to the actual file.
No problem, thanks for trying! :)
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I wonder if there is a way to find a copy of it to download, perhaps a torrent?
Yeah, let's grab some software of unknown provenance and install it on the rolling computer we call a car. Nothing could go wrong, nothing at all.
Chris
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Yeah, let's grab some software of unknown provenance and install it on the rolling computer we call a car. Nothing could go wrong, nothing at all.
Chris
You'll never get to go on a mystery GPS map adventure with an attitude like that. :P
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Reminds me of the $150 that Nissan wants to update their GPS software. You can buy a freaking Garmin for that price and get free updates for life. :facepalm:
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Reminds me of the $150 that Nissan wants to update their GPS software. You can buy a freaking Garmin for that price and get free updates for life. :facepalm:
I think that's around what Toyota charges for their map updates as well. It does seem like they would get more people buying nav units if they did free or cheap map updates, given others doing the same, or just using Google maps or whatever. I have no intention of buying map updates given my other available options.
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I think that's around what Toyota charges for their map updates as well. It does seem like they would get more people buying nav units if they did free or cheap map updates, given others doing the same, or just using Google maps or whatever. I have no intention of buying map updates given my other available options.
If I may, if you have to go to a dealer for some scheduled maint, why not call different ones and ask if they'll throw in updates for free while you're getting something else done? The updates literally cost the dealer nothing, it's pure profit. You may have to call around before you have one that plays ball, but at $100 ish for maps and/or head unit firmware, that's a decent amount of gas money.
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Stop looking for a bandaid and eliminate the problem.
https://classiccars.com/listings/find/1968/dodge/charger
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If I may, if you have to go to a dealer for some scheduled maint, why not call different ones and ask if they'll throw in updates for free while you're getting something else done? The updates literally cost the dealer nothing, it's pure profit. You may have to call around before you have one that plays ball, but at $100 ish for maps and/or head unit firmware, that's a decent amount of gas money.
I might try that after I try to wheedle myself into the free firmware update. =D
I'd actually not having a problem paying for a map update if they cost like $20. Then I might do one every other year. Or even every year if I could just buy it and install it myself. But the $150, like you said, that's just dealer profit, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were setup like that as a "dealer perk" by corporate Toyota.
Just like so many manufacturers not having anything in the owners manual on something like the cabin air filter, which on a Toyota is a two minute job that anyone can do, but that dealers charge $75-$100 to change out.
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Stop looking for a bandaid and eliminate the problem.
https://classiccars.com/listings/find/1968/dodge/charger
Does it come with at least three 5 gallon gas cans and a hole between the passenger compartment and the trunk and the trunk and the outside of the car, so that I can setup a hand pump and pump gas from the cans in the trunk into the tank while I'm driving? I would also only be interested if it came with second hand tires with no more than 3/32 tread on the tires.
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Does it come with at least three 5 gallon gas cans and a hole between the passenger compartment and the trunk and the trunk and the outside of the car, so that I can setup a hand pump and pump gas from the cans in the trunk into the tank while I'm driving?
Talk about a crappy kludge, going outside the car to do that; gas tank is under the trunk, and the filler neck is easily available right there, so you just need to tap in with a remote valve and some cans with outlets at the bottom. Never pump when gravity will do fine.
Besides, it's a '68 Charger; you'd need a trailer with a 500 gallon tank just to make it to the next gas station. Or retune it to run on moonshine and apply for a Federal grant to have a really slow tanker orbit over you to demonstrate how effective E100 can actually be when you're spending other people's money.
I would also only be interested if it came with second hand tires with no more than 3/32 tread on the tires.
My cars tend to come with decent tread depth.
Cracked and rotten, but good depth.
Makes them come apart in larger chunks for easier cleanup.