Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 30, 2017, 04:27:36 PM
-
I mean, do we even have to say, "If this were Obama" or "If this were Clinton"?
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/05/30/but-racist-rodeo-clown-kathy-griffin-makes-beheading-potus-great-again/
-
I so hope they keep this up.
-
I so hope they keep this up.
This.
Half the country (more, likely) finds these immature stunts offensive. Keep it up, aholes.
-
This.
Half the country (more, likely) finds these immature stunts offensive. Keep it up, aholes.
Oh, more than that. It clarifies that Leftists think of us (Republicans, conservatives, Americans, or whatever you want to call us) as the enemy. Which clarifies that we should think of them as the enemy. Not just political enemies, but enemies of our country. And of course, they are.
-
Destroying effigies of political folks you don't like has been OK for.....IDK..... Centuries? Don't act like this is something new.
The only sorta new part is it being a semi-relevant washed up celebrity. And even that isn't all that novel, as making politically edgy statements is a tried and true way to get press. See: Ted Nugent.
obama effigies (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950)
George W Bush effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=George+W+Bush+effigy)
Bill Clinton Effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=Bill+Clinton+Effigy&imgrc=_)
Ronald Reagan effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=Ronald+Reagan+effigy&imgrc=_)
.......
James Taylor burned in effigy outside white house in 1841 (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tyler-is-burned-in-effigy-outside-white-house)
.......
Sons of Liberty hang effigies of British officials in 1765 (https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/sons-of-liberty)
.......
I could probably hunt down an instance of a Caesar being burned in effigy but you get the point. Fake outrage is fake.
-
Destroying effigies of political folks you don't like has been OK for.....IDK..... Centuries? Don't act like this is something new.
The only sorta new part is it being a semi-relevant washed up celebrity. And even that isn't all that novel, as making politically edgy statements is a tried and true way to get press. See: Ted Nugent.
obama effigies (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950)
George W Bush effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=George+W+Bush+effigy)
Bill Clinton Effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=Bill+Clinton+Effigy&imgrc=_)
Ronald Reagan effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=Ronald+Reagan+effigy&imgrc=_)
.......
James Taylor burned in effigy outside white house in 1841 (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tyler-is-burned-in-effigy-outside-white-house)
.......
Sons of Liberty hang effigies of British officials in 1765 (https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/sons-of-liberty)
.......
I could probably hunt down an instance of a Caesar being burned in effigy but you get the point. Fake outrage is fake.
Yeah, and the Sex Pistols apparently burned effigies of Keith Emerson. But that's not the whole point.
-
This is pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.
The right has noticed "the rules" that the left espouses do not apply to the left. Many are beginning to act accordingly.
(Look the the responses to the "bodyslammed" reporter, for an example)
-
This is pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.
Meh. Any hypocrisy surrounding effigies is equally shared between both sides of the political spectrum. Not seeing the "zing" here that you guys see.
Stick with the excusing of actual violence against people.
-
Fake outrage is fake.
The fake outrage was going on for the past several years, when Democrats suddenly forgot that presidents are not treated with universal affection, or even respect; and made everything racial.
The current reaction to Griffin's stunt is not fake, as most Americans have little to no familiarity with past effigy-mistreatings. As has been pointed out, what Griffin did brought to mind ISIS; not American political history.
If I have any outrage, offense, or umbrage about it, it's the double standard that bothers me. I mean, sure, Lefties have denounced the stunt, but that doesn't get Tuffy his job back.*
*OK, apparently he's working again. Just sayin'.
-
I mean, do we even have to say, "If this were Obama" or "If this were Clinton"?
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/05/30/but-racist-rodeo-clown-kathy-griffin-makes-beheading-potus-great-again/
I'd never heard of this individual before this. Is she someone, like the Kardassians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardassian) or this "Bounce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyonc%C3%A9)" person, that I'd know about if I didn't mostly ignore popular culture?
-
If I have any outrage, offense, or umbrage about it, it's the double standard that bothers me.
Word. This is the most irritating to me about all this. I'm all for the free speech aspect of burning in effigy, making pinatas, etc. It has to work across the political spectrum though. When a rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask is fired, but Kathy Griffin is cheered*, there is a major double-standard problem.
*Though it appears, and good for them, many on the left are speaking out on Griffin going too far. I can appreciate that versus the hypocrisy of "nobody say anything about the great leader Obama, but gleefully use your free speech against the guy we don't like". Good for the goose, good for the gander.
-
I'd never heard of this individual before this. Is she someone, like the Kardassians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardassian) or this "Bounce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyonc%C3%A9)" person, that I'd know about if I didn't mostly ignore popular culture?
Which is probably why they did it.
-
Also, thinking about this further, in "statistically normal times" I would agree more with Dogmush. However, I think we're in an era of wide, wide pendulum swings.
At 57, I'm barely old enough to remember "stumblebum Ford", and the peanut farmer for Georgia. Also really stretching things with attacks on Reagan, and then much of the same (but to a lesser degree) with Clinton. Most here remember bad taste attacks on Bush. Sure, there was some outrage from "the other side" but not nearly to the degree of today, where a "bad taste" protest ends in job loss and even criminal charges.
The difference between then and now, IMO, is Obama. When he got in, the pendulum swung WAY to the "never attack the president" side. Partially because of his race, partially because it was the dawn of the modern SJW, likely for other reasons I can't think of. The point is that we hit a time where the SJW "I can say whatever I want, but you can't because it's hate" mantra came into full swing. So certainly while what Griffin did is free speech, the outrage from regular America is really less aimed at attacks on Trump as it is on the past outrage and response to much less volatile attacks on Obama.
So less to do with attacks on the president, and more on the SJW mentality. IMO anyway.
-
Well regardless of it's historical precedent, actions have consequences.
Squaty Potty has dropped Kathy Griffin as spokeswoman.
Squaty Potty wants nothing to do with her. Let that sink in a bit.
:lol: :lol:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/05/31/kathy-griffin-dumped-by-squatty-potty-lambasted-by-trump-family-over-photo-with-bloody-head.html
-
Squaty Potty wants nothing to do with her. Let that sink in a bit.
"Squatty Potty has suspended its ad campaign featuring Ms. Griffin. We have acted swiftly and decisively to demonstrate our commitment to a culture of decency, civility, and tolerance."
She's not decent or civil enough for the people who paid money to produce this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q
No matter how low the bar is set, some liberals will still set out to become limbo champions.
-
I think in recent years, Kathy Griffin is most famous for writing a book about being a D-list celebrity and having numerous plastic surgery procedures. I was about to say 'plastic surgery procedures up the wazoo', but I think the wazoo was one of the things worked on.
-
No matter how low the bar is set, some liberals will still set out to become limbo champions.
When you've got Keith Olbermann lecturing you, you've probably gone too far.
While I still agree with fistful that I'd just as soon they keep it up, perhaps they are at the point of defining the bottom of "sinking low" when the worst of them are calling her out.
"When they go low, we go high!"*
* I have yet to see that actually happen.
-
James Taylor burned in effigy outside white house in 1841 (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tyler-is-burned-in-effigy-outside-white-house)
Wow, those music critics don't pull any punches.
(John Tyler, not Sweet Baby James)
-
"When they go low, we go get high!"
FIFY
-
When you've got Keith Olbermann lecturing you, you've probably gone too far.
While I still agree with fistful that I'd just as soon they keep it up, perhaps they are at the point of defining the bottom of "sinking low" when the worst of them are calling her out.
"When they go low, we go high!"*
* I have yet to see that actually happen.
There is definitely a whole lot of crying wolf going on. I am not sure what that means for the future.
-
"When they go low, we go get high!"
FIFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acb-js00c40
-
Wow, those music critics don't pull any punches.
(John Tyler, not Sweet Baby James)
Thanks for clarifying that! I didn't think (I)he was quite that old!
-
Well regardless of it's historical precedent, actions have consequences.
Squaty Potty has dropped Kathy Griffin as spokeswoman.
And now she has been fired from her New Years Eve job at CNN.
-
And now she has been fired from her New Years Eve job at CNN.
Well, at least there is some balance then.
As I said, normally I would agree with Dogmush, and I would say she shouldn't be fired from anything, regardless of the extremely bad taste. But that should have gone for the Obama rodeo clown incident as well, which was much, much, much more tame. If libs want him fired, then they should want her fired.
As an aside, some of the celebrity and media attacks on Trump's 11 year old son for being upset about the image are really 2x4 upside the head worthy.
-
I think you called it earlier; Sauce for the goose.
I read this initially as "holy *expletive deleted*it, they're pulling ISIS style stunts about the POTUS". Which may be perfectly legal, but still had me taken aback. That's wayy past a bunch of chanting retards burning a person in effigy. That's a parody of a recent, gruesome bit of Islamic terrorism.
It might be protected speech by I'm glad it's having repercussions.
-
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/05/31/doh-this-kathy-griffin-tweet-from-just-last-week-didnt-age-well/
-
Destroying effigies of political folks you don't like has been OK for.....IDK..... Centuries? Don't act like this is something new.
The only sorta new part is it being a semi-relevant washed up celebrity. And even that isn't all that novel, as making politically edgy statements is a tried and true way to get press. See: Ted Nugent.
obama effigies (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950)
George W Bush effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=George+W+Bush+effigy)
Bill Clinton Effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=Bill+Clinton+Effigy&imgrc=_)
Ronald Reagan effigy (https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+effigy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwrPQwJnUAhVn_4MKHWsPA1gQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950#tbm=isch&q=Ronald+Reagan+effigy&imgrc=_)
.......
James Taylor burned in effigy outside white house in 1841 (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tyler-is-burned-in-effigy-outside-white-house)
.......
Sons of Liberty hang effigies of British officials in 1765 (https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/sons-of-liberty)
.......
I could probably hunt down an instance of a Caesar being burned in effigy but you get the point. Fake outrage is fake.
This. All this.
People on the right put up "Rope" posters of Obama for *expletive deleted*ck's sake.
-
This. All this.
People on the right put up "Rope" posters of Obama for *expletive deleted*ck's sake.
Though I think a legitimate point of discussion is, how many well known people (celebrities, business leaders, even politicians, etc.) did that stuff vs rednecks in brodozers? The argument would be that you might expect such free speech behavior from rednecks and antifas, but the well known people mainstream it. In the same way they helped mainstream, "you can't say anything negative about Obama because he's black."
Again, for me it goes back to the recent dichotomy from the SJWs of "not a word about our guy, but anything against your guy is cool, and you're not allowed to call us out on it."
-
It's a free speech issue. She shouldn't legally be barred from taking that picture and she should be allowed to publish or post it anywhere she likes that will allow her to do so; legally speaking.
That doesn't mean people can't criticize her for it and it doesn't mean an employer, sponsor, event organizer, what have you can't choose to no longer do business with her for doing the photo.
As for her apology, that was only because she suddenly realized this was going to mean a loss of business for her.
-
This. All this.
People on the right put up "Rope" posters of Obama for *expletive deleted*ck's sake.
Huh?
-
Some thoughts on this that I agree with (given it's applied across the political spectrum):
http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/06/01/post-kathy-griffin-iowahawk-offers-up-advice-to-end-the-mutually-assured-butthurt/
-
Some thoughts on this that I agree with (given it's applied across the political spectrum):
http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/06/01/post-kathy-griffin-iowahawk-offers-up-advice-to-end-the-mutually-assured-butthurt/
I'm not sure what Iowahawk is smoking. The ganja of moral equivalence? The fact that some people abuse the concept of being offended doesn't mean that no one can be, or should be, legitimately offended by, say, a celebrity posing with the bloody "head" of a politician whose worst crime is getting more electoral votes than Hillary Clinton.
Sure, it'd be great if the college America-hating clubs all got expelled, or whatever it is he's demanding, but it's also acceptable for wacko-lefties to occasionally be reminded that Republican politicians are not vogelfrei.
-
"vogelfrei"
I love it when you speak German. ;)
-
Huh?
Most of the incidents I heard about were done by black activists in order to blame white people.
-
Well, she's hired a lawyer due to "Trump family bullying". I take back my agreement with Iowahawk. She now deserves everything bad that may come her way.
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/06/01/climate-disaster-averted-world-to-end-friday-during-kathy-griffin-presser-on-being-bullied-by-trump-family/
-
"vogelfrei"
I love it when you speak German. ;)
I don't think I used it correctly, but at least you enjoyed it.
-
"Vogelfrei" just means "outlaw," doesn't it?
-
Destroying effigies of political folks you don't like has been OK for.....IDK..... Centuries? Don't act like this is something new.
James Taylor burned in effigy outside white house in 1841 (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tyler-is-burned-in-effigy-outside-white-house)
Late to this one....
I think the guy is hack songwriter, crappy guitarist, and mediocre vocalist. And when Kerry sent him to Paris, I lost what little respect I had for the guy. But he was such a nothing to me that I won't think anyone would burn him in effigy outside the White House....Wait...When ?!?!
-
The terrible things happening to victim Kathy Griffin have never happened before to anyone in the known universe ever.
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/06/02/he-broke-me-kathy-griffin-cries-that-shes-the-victim-of-older-white-guy-donald-trump/
-
Maybe she should learn Spanish and take her show on a more southern route.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/kathy-griffin-comedy-should-go-hard-on-trump.html
"So I’m happy to deliver beat down to Donald Trump — and also to Barron. You know a lot of comics are going to go hard for Donald, my edge is that I’ll go direct for Barron. I’m going to get in ahead of the game.”
Stay classy, Kathy.
-
http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/kathy-griffin-comedy-should-go-hard-on-trump.html
Stay classy, Kathy.
So does the Internet coming back to bite her in the ass make her a victim of the Internet as well? Seems like that would be Al Gore's fault.
-
I'm sure Donald Trump has nothing better to do with his time than to go after her, when his supporters will be more than happy to do so.
-
But the left said the President's kids were off limits ... when Obama was President.
http://ntknetwork.com/kathy-griffin-has-no-problem-going-after-barron-trump/ (http://ntknetwork.com/kathy-griffin-has-no-problem-going-after-barron-trump/)
“I’m happy to deliver beat down to Donald Trump — and also to Barron. You know a lot of comics are going to go hard for Donald, my edge is that I’ll go direct for Barron. I’m going to get in ahead of the game,” Griffin said in the December 2016 interview.
-
So does the Internet coming back to bite her in the ass make her a victim of the Internet as well? Seems like that would be Al Gore's fault.
I doubt the Internet would want to bite her ugly, scrawny ass.
Kick it, perhaps ...
-
I am now entertained.
http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/06/02/kathy-griffins-attorney-lisa-bloom-accuses-keith-olbermann-of-mansplaining-how-to-stand-up-to-trump/
-
None will be shocked to learn that Griffin's lawyer is the spawn of Gloria Allred.
-
I'm not understanding (not that I'm really following this, other than anxiously awaiting the Secret Service raid and frog march of her into a .gov car) how she was "bullied" by Donald Trump ??
The afore mentioned Secret Service perchance, The Donald personally?
Help me out here.
-
Amy, I think it's because "bullying" means failing to fall in line with left-wing lunacy. Declining to bake that cake, IOW.
-
And depicting a person's severed bloody head isn't bullying, it's free speech, right?
Once again, as Ben has iterated several times, it's the double standard that bothers me.
-
And depicting a person's severed bloody head isn't bullying, it's free speech, right?
Once again, as Ben has iterated several times, it's the double standard that bothers me.
Correct. Displaying a full, 3-D likeness of someone's bloody, severed head is free speech. The person whose head was displayed objecting to said display by saying such mean things as "That's not funny" is bullying.
It's really quite simple, why don't you understand?
-
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm181%2Frv771977%2F18835568_1484909771529149_2883047776232820686_n_zps5u3gks30.jpg&hash=d669149fb5a05af89e77317357cc648cd203589b)
-
She's taking back her apology.
I guess the press conference where she made herself the victim didn't get her enough PR, so now it's time to attack her "enemies". I kinda can't wait to hear that five years from now she's doing a "what went wrong" interview from her home in a trailer park in Nebraska.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/08/29/kathy-griffin-no-longer-sorry-for-trump-photo-shoot-whole-outrage-was-bs.html
-
Earlier this week she came out with a screed about how she's no longer friends with Anderson Cooper, apparently because he released a statement condemning her stunt BEFORE he talked to her (and got her permission to say how disgusted he was, I guess).
-
"No, you’re full of crap," Griffin screeched at Armytage. "Stop acting like my little picture is more important than talking about the actual atrocities that the president of the United States is committing."
Uh. Has he committed any atrocities so far? Probably just drone strikes, I would imagine. Same as last couple of Presidents. They've been on legal shaky ground because of the whole "using military forces in countries not approved by Congress" thing.
-
Uh. Has he committed any atrocities so far?
He made Maria Chappelle-Nadal feel "traumatized!!!!!1111"
-
He made Maria Chappelle-Nadal feel "traumatized!!!!!1111"
For that he deserves to be knighted, not beheaded.
-
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/22/kathy-griffin-has-ugly-break-with-her-lawyer-over-beheaded-trump-pic.html
The lawyer issued a very good statement detailing her side of things. She really took the high road.
-
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/22/kathy-griffin-has-ugly-break-with-her-lawyer-over-beheaded-trump-pic.html
The lawyer issued a very good statement detailing her side of things. She really took the high road.
Griffin is really a full bubble off plumb. I saw the other day she was making fun of Dana Loesch because one of her sponsors is a beet juice company. Somehow Griffin forgot that she herself was not only promoting the squatty potty, but got fired from the gig.
-
Interesting that the article doesn't mention that other famous client she no longer represents.
-
Griffin has not yet responded and it’s unclear at this time what caused the celebrity to turn on her former lawyer.
Bloom probably sent her a bill and Griffin didn't pay it. Bloom's office called to request payment ...