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Title: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2017, 09:56:54 AM
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/12/536818782/massive-iceberg-breaks-free-in-antarctica

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/massive-iceberg-breaks-antarctica-one-scientist-says-it-s-suspicious-n782231

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A massive iceberg the size of Delaware has broken free from Antarctica and is floating in the sea.

Earlier Wednesday, scientists announced that the 6,000-square-kilometer (about 2,300 square miles) iceberg had come loose, after satellites detected it had calved off the Larsen C ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula.
This just might be a navigational hazard. 

"I can confirm that Don Jr was nowhere near Antarctica in the last 24-48 hours." -- Sean Spicier
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: TechMan on July 13, 2017, 10:07:54 AM
Let's tow it down here and package some iceberg water and sell it to the hipsters.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Fly320s on July 13, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
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Nor is it clear whether climate change is behind this breakup.

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Researchers will have to continue their studies to find out whether Larsen C is being affected by climate change.

What?!?!?!  This isn't automatically blamed on globular worms?  That is so unlike NPR.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: 230RN on July 13, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
Researchers will have to continue their studies to find out whether Larsen C is being affected by climate change.

Yeah, well, it was "floating on the water."  Maybe the sea level dropped.  Or an earthquake somewhere shook it loose.

But this possibility has been eliminated:

"I can confirm that Don Jr was nowhere near Antarctica in the last 24-48 hours." -- Sean Spicier

Now, that's what I call funny.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 13, 2017, 10:46:23 AM
Let's tow it down here and package some iceberg water and sell it to the hipsters.

Hmmmm - if you "help" the iceberg drift to the New York coastline, would the water count as locally-sourced?
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Fly320s on July 13, 2017, 11:02:17 AM
Hmmmm - if you "help" the iceberg drift to the New York coastline, would the water count as locally-sourced?

Earth is local in a galactic kind of way.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Scout26 on July 13, 2017, 11:31:24 AM
What?!?!?!  This isn't automatically blamed on globular worms?  That is so unlike NPR.

It simply has to be....Because a big chunk of ice has never broken off and fallen into the ocean... ;/ ;/ ;/
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 13, 2017, 12:11:07 PM
From the linked NBC Snooze story...


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Q: As the new iceberg potentially drifts north to warmer waters and melts, do you think it could raise the sea levels of the area it's in?


 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


(https://i.giphy.com/media/xTiTnslZ0E5sqMbEac/giphy.webp)


Brad
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2017, 12:27:49 PM
From the linked NBC Snooze story...



 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


(https://i.giphy.com/media/xTiTnslZ0E5sqMbEac/giphy.webp)


Brad
They only had a walk in shower growing up.   =)
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: TechMan on July 13, 2017, 01:35:15 PM
It simply has to be....Because a big chunk of ice has never broken off and fallen into the ocean... ;/ ;/ ;/

Ask the passengers of the Titanic...
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 13, 2017, 02:08:01 PM
Hmmmm - if you "help" the iceberg drift to the New York coastline, would the water count as locally-sourced?

"Imported"

You do speak English, don't you?  :police:
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 13, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
The articles I've seen on this all seem to portray it as virtually a cataclysmic event. Then we get to the end of the second article linked in the opening post here:

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SCAMBOS: Calving of icebergs happens all the time from Antarctica. No big deal. This one is large, but not really even in the top 10 since the 1960s.

To repeat for emphasis: "NO BIG DEAL." Not even in the top ten since the 1960s. So what's all the hubbub, Bub?
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: makattak on July 13, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
The articles I've seen on this all seem to portray it as virtually a cataclysmic event. Then we get to the end of the second article linked in the opening post here:

To repeat for emphasis: "NO BIG DEAL." Not even in the top ten since the 1960s. So what's all the hubbub, Bub?

All the news that fits the narrative. Or can be fit into the narrative. Or can be distorted to fit the narrative. Or isn't actually news, but fits the narrative. Or actually isn't true, but fits the narrative.  (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/885525626588934146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2017%2F07%2F13%2Fshocker-matt-yglesias-describes-when-fakenews-can-be-effective-just-guess%2F)
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2017, 04:41:19 PM
The articles I've seen on this all seem to portray it as virtually a cataclysmic event. Then we get to the end of the second article linked in the opening post here:

To repeat for emphasis: "NO BIG DEAL." Not even in the top ten since the 1960s. So what's all the hubbub, Bub?
1.  If it distracts the media from talking about what Trump and his people are doing, I am okay with that.

2.  Any sort of hysteria about this is so obviously stupid it drives more fence sitters away from the Church of Global Warming. 
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2017, 04:43:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjw8KdCBHsc

I bet a bunch of Hollywood types are kicking themselves.  They could have filmed this scene for real.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: 230RN on July 13, 2017, 05:03:28 PM
<snidely>
'Druther have California calve off.
</snidely>
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: just Warren on July 13, 2017, 06:53:19 PM
Ice(((berg))). Wake up, sheeple!
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Andiron on July 13, 2017, 07:56:18 PM
It simply has to be....Because a big chunk of ice has never broken off and fallen into the ocean... ;/ ;/ ;/

Everything is a zero sum game when you're (climate change acolytes)  a drooling moron.


THERE'S THAT MUCH LESS ICE NOW!!   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on July 13, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
Screw all that.

How does one tow that thing and would sitting it in the Chesapeake Bay act like a swamp cooler for the east coast?
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Sideways_8 on July 13, 2017, 08:59:02 PM
Screw all that.

How does one tow that thing and would sitting it in the Chesapeake Bay act like a swamp cooler for the east coast?

I believe you would need a big fan as well.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 13, 2017, 11:59:31 PM
All the news that fits the narrative. Or can be fit into the narrative. Or can be distorted to fit the narrative. Or isn't actually news, but fits the narrative. Or actually isn't true, but fits the narrative.


Is that a transcript from an Andrew Klavan video?
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 14, 2017, 10:21:27 AM
From the linked NBC Snooze story...



 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


(https://i.giphy.com/media/xTiTnslZ0E5sqMbEac/giphy.webp)


Right up there with Hank Johnson and Guam tipping over and capsizing if we let the military build another building there.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: HankB on July 14, 2017, 10:29:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjw8KdCBHsc

I bet a bunch of Hollywood types are kicking themselves.  They could have filmed this scene for real.
And Algore wouldn't have had to lift CGI scenes from a Hollywood movie to produce his gobal warming video . . .
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: 230RN on July 14, 2017, 08:38:52 PM
Screw all that.

How does one tow that thing and would sitting it in the Chesapeake Bay act like a swamp cooler for the east coast?

I believe you would need a big fan as well.


(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2016%2F01%2F14%2F15%2F3029428200000578-3398928-Clyde_Wind_Farm_pictured_near_Abington_in_Scotland_where_huge_wi-m-265_1452786529599.jpg&hash=1cdd44d558f5f435b9e0613b544f673ea4bbe34c)

The source article itself is relevant to globular warming, sort of:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3398928/The-Midlands-wakes-snow-temperatures-set-plummet-weekend.html
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on July 14, 2017, 09:01:56 PM

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The source article itself is relevant to globular warming, sort of:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3398928/The-Midlands-wakes-snow-temperatures-set-plummet-weekend.html

I actually was going to post back that we could take those useless wind turbines, do a little fidgeting to make them run the fan off electric instead of having the fan make electric, stick 'em on the iceberg and Viola! Giant AC unit.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: 230RN on July 14, 2017, 10:32:34 PM
I actually was going to post back that we could take those useless wind turbines, do a little fidgeting to make them run the fan off electric instead of having the fan make electric, stick 'em on the iceberg and Viola! Giant AC unit.  (Sic.  I think you meant fans there.)

You're right.  Basically, every motor is a generator and every generator is a motor.

Motor?  Generates back-voltage* as it spins from the applied electrical power.  (Therefore, it's acting as a generator within itself while developing torque.)

Generator?  Generates back-torgue as power is taken from it. (Therefore, it's acting as a motor within itself while developing electrical power.)**

 =D Now, you'd have to anchor the iceberg to counteract the thrust developed by the fans, of course.  Oh. and you'd need a long extension cord going to the iceberg.  =D

Terry, 230RN

* Often called EMF, or "ElectroMotive Force," even today.  Also called "tension," as in "high tension wires."


** This effect is commonly noticeable if you've ever had a headlight generator on your bicycle.  Flip it on and this "reverse motor" effect puts considerable drag on the bike.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Scout26 on July 14, 2017, 11:07:28 PM
SHouldn't we all be dead by now, from either being cook to death or frozen to death ??
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Fly320s on July 15, 2017, 08:52:31 AM

 =D Now, you'd have to anchor the iceberg to counteract the thrust developed by the fans, of course


No, just turn some fans the other way.  And if you have extra, put them in front of the fans as windmills for free power to turn the fans, which can blow on the windmills.  Double plus win.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: 230RN on July 15, 2017, 10:44:35 AM
^ :rofl:

Very good.

And don't they already do that in jet engines, where the compressor blows the turbine around?

???

Terry (Signed in crayon)
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Sideways_8 on July 15, 2017, 12:06:09 PM
SHouldn't we all be dead by now, from either being cook to death or frozen to death ??

https://youtu.be/nret1P0AH7o
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Fly320s on July 15, 2017, 12:39:26 PM
^ :rofl:

Very good.

And don't they already do that in jet engines, where the compressor blows the turbine around?

???

Terry (Signed in crayon)

Other way around.  Turbine spins the compressor.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on July 15, 2017, 02:47:49 PM
and this is why I love APS. Give us an iceberg and we'll make a swamp cooler.  =)
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Scout26 on July 15, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
and this is why I love APS. Give us an iceberg and we'll make a self- generating swamp cooler.  =)

FTFY... ;)
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: 230RN on July 17, 2017, 02:02:46 AM
Other way around.  Turbine spins the compressor.

How could it?  The compressor is in front. >:D

Terry (Signed in crayon)
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Fly320s on July 17, 2017, 07:35:34 AM
How could it?  The compressor is in front. >:D

Terry (Signed in crayon)

Reverse flow engine.  Saves gas that way.   =D
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 17, 2017, 10:01:20 AM
I love modern science. When I took physics in high school and college, we were told that a perpetual motion machine was impossible.

Today ... it's apparently not impossible at all. Progress.
Title: Re: Massive Iceberg Breaks Free In Antarctica
Post by: TechMan on July 17, 2017, 10:10:42 AM
SHouldn't we all be dead by now, from either being cook to death or frozen to death ??

What about the flooding?