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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on July 17, 2017, 09:52:34 AM
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Now Delta Airlines has earned the ire of a passenger ... none other than Ann Coulter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4702484/Delta-hits-Ann-Coulter-s-tweets-30-seat-upgrade.html
It seems a lot of people think Ms. Coulter is over-reacting. I don't. The airlines have reduced the seat pitch to where a person 6 feet tall (which she is, and which I am) just can't fit in a standard seat. And where they used to allow taller people to book the exit row seats and bulkhead seats (which have extra legroom) for free, they now charge a premium so people 6 feet tall (which isn't even that tall these days) can have a seat they can sit in. If I had pre-booked (and paid for) an extra normal legroom seat well in advance, and paid for it, I would also be irate if I got to the airport to find they had given my pre-booked, pre-paid seat to someone who doesn't need the extra human-sized legroom.
It's not safe to fly these days. United has made multiple, newsworthy screw-ups recently. My flight to the SHOT Show in January re-confirmed that we just can't fly on American Airlines. And now Delta ...
Better to rent an econo-box and drive.
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Anything about 12 hours or less it's damn guaranteed I won't even bother flying.
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Anything about 12 hours or less it's damn guaranteed I won't even bother flying.
Has to be less than 8hrs for me. I've yet to have a flight that was more annoying or exhausting than driving 8+ hours and that includes international flights. I'd fly more if not for the cost.
Chris
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I don't give a *expletive deleted*it where it is. I'm not flying.
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It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
And yes, flying when you're tall is unpleasant. Thankfully, I've fit in an Abrams. Modern flying is much worse, but it was good practice for modern airlines.
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I don't give a *expletive deleted*it where it is. I'm not flying.
That has pretty much been my stance since I quit flying up front in 1992. But then SWMBO decided Hawaii was on the agenda a few years ago and seeing how that bridge isn't built yet I had to cave. :(
Now my stance is to fly only if absolutely necessary such as crossing the oceans or going to a different continent. That should keep me out of planes for pretty much the rest of my life. :)
bob
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Now my stance is to fly only if absolutely necessary such as crossing the oceans or going to a different continent. That should keep me out of planes for pretty much the rest of my life. :)
That's my stance, too. I have an open invitation to visit friends in Greece, and I'd really like to take them up on the invitation. But I have a bad hip, such that sitting cramped into a too-small seat for more than 15 or 20 minutes puts me in spasms. The only way I'd survive a trans-Atlantic flight would be to fly at least business class, so unless I hit the lottery I probably won't be able to make the trip.
If I attend the SHOT Show next year, either I drive, or I give Amtrak a try.
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Wife wants to goto Hawaii again. And prices are coming down. The only reason I don't want to is the flight; I'm 6' 6" with long legs, and overweight. My butt is actually kinda small but it barely fits in those narrow seats. (and they kept the seatbelt sign on the entire time on our return flight a couple of years ago)
I'm dreading flying to Houston next week, and that's just a 3 hour flight.
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That has pretty much been my stance since I quit flying up front in 1992. But then SWMBO decided Hawaii was on the agenda a few years ago and seeing how that bridge isn't built yet I had to cave. :(
Now my stance is to fly only if absolutely necessary such as crossing the oceans or going to a different continent. That should keep me out of planes for pretty much the rest of my life. :)
bob
Wait a minute. Doesn't Hawaii have an Interstate Highway 1H ?
???
ETA: Why, yes, yes it does: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_H-1
:rofl:
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I like to fly on the oldest Southwest planes. They have the roomiest seats, no annoying screens to forcefeed me ads, and sometimes, they even lack wifi. It's like flying was 15 years ago. Relative heaven.
I like Southwest approach, but I don't in principle object to tiered pricing. I think the FAA or heck CPSC should make them advertise legroom on the tickets. Or outright bin people by weight and/or height. Because right now my company thinks the "upgraded" seats are a luxury they shouldn't have to pay for, and that's not the case all the time. When my knees are jammed against the seat in front of me, I should not have been sold that seat.
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"Doesn't Hawaii have an Interstate Highway 1H ?"
According to one site I found, there are 17 interstate highways that serve only one state.
Apparently the reason for them being called interstates is that they comply with the specifications laid out in the original act of 1956 regarding limited access, width, etc.
That system of roads became the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways.
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"Doesn't Hawaii have an Interstate Highway 1H ?"
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Apparently the reason for them being called interstates is that they comply with the specifications laid out in the original act of 1956 regarding limited access, width, etc
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Oh, of course. But I always found that amusing. Simple jokes for my simple mind.
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Well, how about we name those 17 Intrastates...
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Well, how about we name those 17 Intrastates...
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Oh, sure. Simple change in the law. But you know what happens with simple changes in the law, of course. Turns into 784 pages. And two months of wrangling in the legislative houses. And some a-hole will demand an amendment at 3 AM which has nothing to do with the subject of the bill but strips us of some other amenity and makes us less of the "Land Of The Free." (Yeah, we won a goodie using that process with the concealed carry in parks amendment, but...)
"It is the essential function of any government of any type at any time in history to progressively limit freedoms and privileges." (Terry said that way back in 1989 AD .)
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NAP TIME !
Terry, 230RN
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You told that story with such enthusiasm!
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Oh, of course. But I always found that amusing. Simple jokes for my simple mind.
Hey, we CAN build a bridge there! All those fracture zones? Bah! Nothing can posebliy go wrong!
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I found it interesting that she was flying coach and not first class in the first place. Isn't she supposed to be some sort of leader of conservatives/republicans?
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"Isn't she supposed to be some sort of leader of conservatives/republicans?"
Of course. That's why she was flying the airline equivalent of a respectable Republican cloth coat, not some Democratic mink stole.
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"Isn't she supposed to be some sort of leader of conservatives/republicans?"
Of course. That's why she was flying the airline equivalent of a respectable Republican cloth coat, not some Democratic mink stole.
Correct. It's the self-styled pseudo-royalty like Hillary Clinton who insist on either first class or a private charter flight just to go to the next town. Props to Ms. Coulter for NOT isolating herself from the rest of the populace.
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Correct. It's the self-styled pseudo-royalty like Hillary Clinton who insist on either first class or a private charter flight just to go to the next town. Props to Ms. Coulter for NOT isolating herself from the rest of the populace.
Wasn't there something about one of the Trumps flying coach sort of recently?
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what happened to coulter has happened to me several times. It's irritating, and one of many reasons I don't fly unless I'm forced to.
If I pay for the goddamn seat, get a confirmation on said goddamn seat, and they seat someone else in it, IMHO that's fraud.
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Wasn't there something about one of the Trumps flying coach sort of recently?
Ivanka.
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Ivanka and Jared Kushner and their two kids, IIRC.
On a Jet Blue flight.
A guy decided to harass them. The guy's husband (yep, husband) Tweeted out that his husband was going to go harass the couple.
Stay classy.
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I've found MDs and 717s to have good legroom, along with Embraer 175s...the only Airbus I've flown on was downright heavenly. The 737-800 and 757-200 I flew on back in Jan sucked
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Don't fly American.
I'm kinda stuck on intra-US flights, but I make it a point , when crossing an ocean, to not fly American flagged airlines. SAS, British Airways or maybe KLM going east, Korean Air, JAL or Quantas going west. Yes it usually costs a little more, but it's worth it.
I flew across the pacific on both JAL and Korean Airlines in A380's. Those things are comfortable and pretty relaxing even in coach. And the service is exemplary.
ETA: My experience has been that non-US flagged flights are less likely to overbook as well, so you are more likely to have an empty seat next to you, or avoid the middle on widebodies.
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For international flights - admittedly, nothing recent - I've received better service on both South African Airways and Air Zimbabwe (!) than on U.S. carriers.
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I get better service on the lowest bidder, contracted, not a real airline, flying DC-10's from the late 80's, flights that the DOD hires to fly soldiers into Kuwait than most US flag carriers.
Ponder that thought for a second.
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Don't fly American.
I'm kinda stuck on intra-US flights, but I make it a point , when crossing an ocean, to not fly American flagged airlines. SAS, British Airways or maybe KLM going east, Korean Air, JAL or Quantas going west. Yes it usually costs a little more, but it's worth it.
I flew across the pacific on both JAL and Korean Airlines in A380's. Those things are comfortable and pretty relaxing even in coach. And the service is exemplary.
ETA: My experience has been that non-US flagged flights are less likely to overbook as well, so you are more likely to have an empty seat next to you, or avoid the middle on widebodies.
My wife will only fly JAL when traveling overseas. I've always just gone with whatever is the cheapest whenever I fly. Flying United or whatever has never bothered me. The service is much better though on JAL.
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Well, if true, this should prove interesting:
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/07/18/ann-coulter-believes-delta-flap-was-politically-motivated-posts-insider-info-from-flight-attendant.html
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Well, if true, this should prove interesting:
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/07/18/ann-coulter-believes-delta-flap-was-politically-motivated-posts-insider-info-from-flight-attendant.html
It guess that should surprise me but it doesn't. We have already seen what some of these people will do and how self righteous they can be.
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Makes sense to me. But I rarely encounter a conspiracy theory I'm not willing to swallow. However, Occam's razor -- why else assign an exttra-length seat that was pre-booked by a 6-foot tall passenger to someone who doesn't need the legroom?
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I haven't had need to fly since before 9/11. My last several air trips were between Tulsa and Dallas on Southwest in 2000 and early 2001.
Those were a bit of a culture shock compared to the flights I had taken in the early and mid '80s. People used to at least sort of dress up a bit to fly.
Hell, even I'd don at least a sport jacket and tie and nicer slacks if I wasn't in uniform, it's just the way it was done.
And, back in those days it wasn't uncommon to actually have empty seats on a plane. Once flew from Orlando to Tulsa on a L1011. I had the full middle row to myself and the stewardess showed me how to fix it so I could lay down and sleep.
Flew from Oakland to Tulsa via Denver where we had more flight attendants than passengers. They moved everyone up to 1st class and one friendly stewardess sat next to me and visited all the way from Denver to Tulsa.
Flew Pan-Am from Manila to Honolulu with a 8 hour layover at Narita (Tokyo) First leg was on a smaller plane but from Tokyo to Honolulu was a 747 and possibly because I was in uniform I was moved up to 1st class. I was already in Clipper Class which was pretty darn nice.
It would take a hell of a lot to get me back into an airliner today.