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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on February 19, 2018, 07:03:03 PM
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I thought I'd start a separate thread to list the gun control lies and nonsense currently being spread, not just by the usual social media "experts" (anybody with a smartphone) but by politicians and supposedly unbiased news sources. List yours. Here's a couple to get started:
CBS absolutely lying:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/19/fake-news-cbs-news-says-its-easier-to-buy-an-assault-rifle-than-cold-medicine/
And ladies and Gentlemen, I give you John Kasich, who has now supposedly scrubbed anything pro gun from his website and social media presence, apparently in preparation for a 2020 run. This guy wanted us to vote for him as a Republican last year:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/19/watch-woke-john-kasich-sets-his-big-gun-collector-friend-straight-on-common-sense-gun-control/
Oh, and one of the biggest whoppers out there right now, being spread by dozens of "reputable" sources:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/19/dishonest-bullsht-dean-obeidallahs-post-parkland-nra-smear-may-be-the-most-appalling-yet/
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There is the "18 mass shootings this year!!1!" lie.
Specifically with this latest shooting there was the lie that he was hanging around with some local White Supremacist militia.
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I heard that Monkeyleg’s favorite competitor (Optics Planet) has decided to only sell reduced capacity magazines to peons.
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I heard that Monkeyleg’s favorite competitor (Optics Planet) has decided to only sell reduced capacity magazines to peons.
Like that makes a difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFxgQmxbGI
The guy is Travis Tomasie, who currently shoots for Team Remington. He has the new magazine in place before the empty hits the floor.
Here's one live on the range:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDVcT-BhOa0
Any questions?
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/27321/leftist-lawyer-spreads-epic-lie-about-guns-and-hank-berrien
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I heard that Monkeyleg’s favorite competitor (Optics Planet) has decided to only sell reduced capacity magazines to peons.
Eff optics planet. They lost my business the first time I tried buying some mundane piece of equipment from them and they required police credentials... I went elsewhere. Frilends of mine have had similar experiences with them.
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Like that makes a difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFxgQmxbGI
The guy is Travis Tomasie, who currently shoots for Team Remington. He has the new magazine in place before the empty hits the floor.
Here's one live on the range:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDVcT-BhOa0
Any questions?
He has done one where he catches the empty after the new one is in the gun.
I did my competition shooting in the ban years and shot either a 1911 or a ten round glock in Production class. Lots of mag changes, lots.
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I've got a few NIB pmags...prices spike yet?
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My fear is that at this point, a bunch of Republicans are talking about being open to "reasonable" gun control measures, meaning they are open to negotiation. What does that mean? If I was putting money on it, I'd bet that a new AWB is in the works, complete with "assault weapons" being banned again, and mag limits of 10 rounds coming back. The concerning part (not that an AWB isn't concerning" is that more and more I'm hearing people talking about what you really need for protection, and more and more I hear people saying you don't need a semi-auto for protection. More and more I hear people, even some I would have considered an ally, or at least not an opponent, saying things like you only need a revolver for protection, or the Joe Biden shotgun. The Dems may go for an outright semi-auto ban this time. There's blood in the water, and the sharks are circling...
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My fear is that at this point, a bunch of Republicans are talking about being open to "reasonable" gun control measures, meaning they are open to negotiation. What does that mean? If I was putting money on it, I'd bet that a new AWB is in the works, complete with "assault weapons" being banned again, and mag limits of 10 rounds coming back. The concerning part (not that an AWB isn't concerning" is that more and more I'm hearing people talking about what you really need for protection, and more and more I hear people saying you don't need a semi-auto for protection. More and more I hear people, even some I would have considered an ally, or at least not an opponent, saying things like you only need a revolver for protection, or the Joe Biden shotgun. The Dems may go for an outright semi-auto ban this time. There's blood in the water, and the sharks are circling...
I'm no longer afraid of it. I'm fairly certain the vast majority of (elected) Republicans don't really care about gun rights, but mouth support in order to stay elected.
I think they need to be afraid. Whatever you may think of the NRA, the politicians fear them.
(Anymore, I'm thinking the purpose if the NRA is to keep the duplicitous Republicans in line, not to fight the Democrats.)
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I heard that Monkeyleg’s favorite competitor (Optics Planet) has decided to only sell reduced capacity magazines to peons.
Not quite correct. They stopped because of Cook County*, Illinois law.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/02/robert-farago/optics-planet-stops-sales-high-capacity-magazines/amp/
* - Edited to Clarify: 10+ round magazines are legal in all of Illinois, except Cook County. This also part of Cook County's Assault Weapons Ban. Optics Planet in based in Northbrook, IL, which is in Cook County. - scout26
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The concerning part (not that an AWB isn't concerning" is that more and more I'm hearing people talking about what you really need for protection, and more and more I hear people saying you don't need a semi-auto for protection. More and more I hear people, even some I would have considered an ally, or at least not an opponent, saying things like you only need a revolver for protection, or the Joe Biden shotgun.
There's a discussion going right now on The Firing Line, and a number of people (some of whom have been members for a long time, so I don't think they're trolls) are actively advocating for a lot of restrictions -- and they don't even seem to acknowledge that what they propose IS a restriction (or, at least, that its a restriction that may be unconstitutional).
It's a depressing discussion.
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Not quite correct. They stopped because of Illinois law.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/02/robert-farago/optics-planet-stops-sales-high-capacity-magazines/amp/
Thanks for the correction.
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Not quite correct. They stopped because of Illinois law.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/02/robert-farago/optics-planet-stops-sales-high-capacity-magazines/amp/
I know a guy in Connecticut who owns a gun shop. CDNN won't even sell a "high capacity" magazine to him, and they're legal for gun shops. In fact, he may have said that CDNN won't ship any magazines to Connecticut.
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Why now? What is it about this latest event that brought all this on? I might chalk it up to anti-Trump hysteria, but this is not the first, or worst, mass shooting we've seen in the past year. ??? Is this because people are trying to get something through before there's a "blue wave"?
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I'm no longer afraid of it. I'm fairly certain the vast majority of (elected) Republicans don't really care about gun rights, but mouth support in order to stay elected.
I think they need to be afraid. Whatever you may think of the NRA, the politicians fear them.
(Anymore, I'm thinking the purpose if the NRA is to keep the duplicitous Republicans in line, not to fight the Democrats.)
R.s need to have their feet put to the fire.
D.s are now, by and large, full out Party of Death. R.s are higher in my estimation, but not greatly.
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Why now? What is it about this latest event that brought all this on? I might chalk it up to anti-Trump hysteria, but this is not the first, or worst, mass shooting we've seen in the past year. ??? Is this because people are trying to get something through before there's a "blue wave"?
Why now? A lot of people are now standing on the graves of the children shot in Florida and screaming for change, whatever that means. You've got a Republican party that seems afraid to use its majority control to do anything more than try to not lose the midterm elections, and doing a pretty piss-poor job of that. We've got a president who is vilified by the press daily, to the point where life-long Republicans are saying that they don't support him or what he's standing for, like immigration enforcement, even though a decade or so ago, it was on everyone's platform, R or D . We have an electorate made up of far too many people more concerned about who is going to be on Dancing With the Stars next time than anything of more national significance...unless the Kardashians say it's important. And these people are hearing celebs say "the NRA is bad," so they are singing right along. And, we have a crap ton of people willing, no begging, to give up liberty for a sense of safety. It's the perfect storm, and the antis are going all in.
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Why now?
1. A lot of people are now standing on the graves of the children shot in Florida and screaming for change, whatever that means.
2. You've got a Republican party that seems afraid to use its majority control to do anything more than try to not lose the midterm elections, and doing a pretty piss-poor job of that.
3. a)We've got a president who is vilified by the press daily, b)to the point where life-long Republicans are saying that they don't support him or what he's standing for, like immigration enforcement, even though a decade or so ago, it was on everyone's platform, R or D .
4. We have an electorate made up of far too many people more concerned about who is going to be on Dancing With the Stars next time than anything of more national significance...unless the Kardashians say it's important. And these people are hearing celebs say "the NRA is bad," so they are singing right along.
5. And, we have a crap ton of people willing, no begging, to give up liberty for a sense of safety. It's the perfect storm, and the antis are going all in.
With the exception of 3b, that's politics as usual. 3b also obtained during the last few mass shootings, so it doesn't explain what's going on now.
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With the exception of 3b, that's politics as usual. 3b also obtained during the last few mass shootings, so it doesn't explain what's going on now.
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My WAG is akin to Chris' "perfect storm". This came too close in time to Vegas. Had it happened a year from now, there would be less momentum. We also have a bunch of "resistance warriors" who have been losing at every turn in other areas and they are looking for a "win".
There's a lot more going on than that I think, but I believe they are a couple of the drivers right now.
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With the exception of 3b, that's politics as usual. 3b also obtained during the last few mass shootings, so it doesn't explain what's going on now.
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You're right, but it seems like it's all coming together now, at the same time, with lots of media coverage. And we see a lot of Rs that look scared, and are talking about common sense gun control. If the Rs are saying that, I get worried.
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Why now? The blue team needs a divisive high profile issue to midterm campaign on to distract from the collapse of zomg Russia and their general dumpster fire of a platform.
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"We don't want to take away you're guns, we just want to kill you."
I honestly believe this has also been one of the drivers - not just now, but always. Many emotional progressives think everyone else will fly off the handle like them. They're afraid of what they might do if they were angry and a gun was handy, and they apply that to everyone.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/02/20/well-be-keeping-our-guns-thanks-gun-grabbers-tag-kentucky-billboard-with-kill-the-nra/
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NRA lives matter
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Why now? The blue team needs a divisive high profile issue to midterm campaign on to distract from the collapse of zomg Russia and their general dumpster fire of a platform.
This^
I also suspect some type of community organizing driving it from the shadows.
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Why now? The blue team needs a divisive high profile issue to midterm campaign on to distract from the collapse of zomg Russia and their general dumpster fire of a platform.
I don't understand why that would have some Republicans preparing to cave, or already caving.
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And now this:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/20/liberals-embrace-idea-of-banks-and-credit-card-cos-cutting-off-gun-dealers/
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And now this:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/20/liberals-embrace-idea-of-banks-and-credit-card-cos-cutting-off-gun-dealers/
Not the first time they've tried stuff like this.
I'm not sure if banks want to lose the business of ~40% of the country and open themselves up to obvious competition.
But, hey, knock yourself out, leftists.
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Not the first time they've tried stuff like this.
I'm not sure if banks want to lose the business of ~40% of the country and open themselves up to obvious competition.
But, hey, knock yourself out, leftists.
Though I recall last time it was some banks misinterpreting (knowingly or unknowingly) legislation aimed at drug cartels and organized crime.
This includes a call for Amazon, etc. to pressure banks into doing it or losing their business. I don't know that those giant tech companies would wade into this in that manner, but the idea of having them do so is a dangerous, dangerous precedent.
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A friend just sent me this link: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/did_the_progressive_broward_county_solution_cost_17_student_lives.html
Verrrry interesting!
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And now this:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/20/liberals-embrace-idea-of-banks-and-credit-card-cos-cutting-off-gun-dealers/
Sometimes, I wonder how people can see no further than the end of their nose...
Let's allow the banks to make decisions on what legal purchases can and cannot be made. Oh, you want to purchase all that junk food? Nope. Bad for your health. You get sick and die, we won't be able to collect on you. Want to buy that video game system? Studies show that those games hurt income, so nope. Birth control? Nope.
Yet another reason why I save actual cash to make all of my gun related purchases. Fewer records. Fewer nosy people able to see what I've bought.
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I really hope Democrats make gun control a foundation of their mid-term election platform. If anything will get Trump voters back out to the polls, that will.
As for Republicans, they have been squishy on ALL issues, not just gun issues. I can't believe they actually passed the tax cut in December. I don't think the R's will lose out in the mid-terms, but I still expect Democrats and the press to do all they can to make that happen.
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And a friend just sent me a text that Trump has directed ATF to ban bump stocks and rate increase devices...
It's starting...
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Though I recall last time it was some banks misinterpreting (knowingly or unknowingly) legislation aimed at drug cartels and organized crime.
This includes a call for Amazon, etc. to pressure banks into doing it or losing their business. I don't know that those giant tech companies would wade into this in that manner, but the idea of having them do so is a dangerous, dangerous precedent.
Nope, it was pretty damn deliberate on the part of DOJ and Treasury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point
Interesting tidbit, I hear that the MJ stores in CO, WA, DC, and now CA (and I think the medical ones in other states) do all their business in cash, because the banks won't process checks, credit cards, or debit cards because their business is considered illegal at the Federal level.
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This^
I also suspect some type of community organizing driving it from the shadows.
The Million Mom March has it's hand in the student walkout protests.
And a friend just sent me a text that Trump has directed ATF to ban bump stocks and rate increase devices...
It's starting...
Seen that on Facebook. I'm thinking, really really hoping, he's playing 4D chess with the left. Just like the NRA passed it off to the ATF. Haven't watched the actual video but it sounds like he basically said that he will direct them to ban things that convert semi-autos to full-autos, something that we know is already illegal but the left doesn't.
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And a friend just sent me a text that Trump has directed ATF to ban bump stocks and rate increase devices...
It's starting...
Yup. On the front page of Fox News. If only pro gun legislation moved this fast. I do think, as I mentioned when Vegas happened, that bump stocks were kind of a "gimme". They were doomed anyway, so if that's all that takes a hit, we should breath a sigh of relief. Though I don't think we're done yet.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/20/trump-urges-ban-on-bump-stocks-other-gun-modifiers.html
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Nope, it was pretty damn deliberate on the part of DOJ and Treasury.
You're right. I just seem to recall that some financial institutions took a more aggressive approach and broader interpretation of who the DOJ "bad guys" were. I recall some gun dealers having to switch services from one financial institution to another.
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I don't understand why that would have some Republicans preparing to cave, or already caving.
Caving is what Republicans do. It's their most practical skill.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-survivors-lawmakers-on-collision-course-over-guns/ar-BBJnRG6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
""America is a gun society. That is what made (suspect) Nikolas Cruz seem normal..." :facepalm: Where do they get this bullshit?
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Caving is what Republicans do. It's their most practical skill.
[Geico] If you're a republican you cave. It's what you do.
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Cody Wilson, of 3D printed gun fame, is still being targeted by operation choke point unless Trump put a stop to it.
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I’ll start taking gun control activists seriously the moment they start going after illegal gun sales/purchasing operations conducted by the US government, government officials, and news agencies and demand the actors be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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I know a guy in Connecticut who owns a gun shop. CDNN won't even sell a "high capacity" magazine to him, and they're legal for gun shops. In fact, he may have said that CDNN won't ship any magazines to Connecticut.
What's worse is that I couldn't even find a vendor who would ship me a ten round magazine until I confirmed with Monkeyleg that he would.
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CNN ran with this story about "buying an AR-15 in five minutes", without checking the details of course. Please see "details" in the quote:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/20/fake-news-20-year-old-who-claims-he-was-able-to-buy-an-ar-15-in-5-minutes-wasnt/
After he walked me through the paperwork, all five pages of it, I told him I changed my mind and wanted to think more before I bought an AR-15. He told me it wasn’t a problem and listed the store hours if I wanted to come back. I then said thank you and walked back to my car.
Seconds. It took seconds for the salesman to take an AR-15 off the shelf and begin selling it to me. If I had stayed for maybe three minutes longer to fill out less paperwork than I did for the hiring process at my school’s bookstore, I would’ve driven home with an AR-15.
No delay. No extensive background check. Just my recently expired driver’s license, my vehicle registration, and filling out some paperwork.
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Yup, we are seeing a full court press on gun control and I think the GOPe is gonna knuckle under this time and we are going to lose something significant on the federal level.
What is really baffling is that the republicans that cave will likely lose their base and get replaced by democrats making things even worse.
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Thank God its not Jeb in office!
In 1986 GHW Bush was ready to cave on a lot of stuff, gave us fake firearms owners protection act which means NY/NJ can arrest you if your plane gets diverted by accident.
They always seem to do this to us, Bill Clinton was really into the death penalty - then they use the death penalty against R's with GW for instance.
The D's war and death penalty and drug war like they claim the R's do and the R's give us amnesty taxes and gun control like they say the D's do.
NRA lives matter
heck yeah they do Fistful!!
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CNN ran with this story about "buying an AR-15 in five minutes", without checking the details of course. Please see "details" in the quote:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/20/fake-news-20-year-old-who-claims-he-was-able-to-buy-an-ar-15-in-5-minutes-wasnt/
I heard that mentioned. I have a CHL and don't have to do the background check, but it still takes more than 5 minutes to fill out the paperwork, watch them go through their audit process, then get rung up to pay.
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Yup, we are seeing a full court press on gun control and I think the GOPe is gonna knuckle under this time and we are going to lose something significant on the federal level.
What is really baffling is that the republicans that cave will likely lose their base and get replaced by democrats making things even worse.
They managed not to do it after Sandy Hook. However, they might be more likely with an R in office.
I think the more time passes, the less support there will be if there really is any now at all. The media and Dems are just trying to push now while emotions are still high.
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Caving is what Republicans do. It's their most practical skill.
They've managed NOT to cave on the gun issue after several other mass shootings, so I still want to know, why should they cave now? No one's put forth a good explanation.
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And not a peep about this on the news ...
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hero-citizen-stops-mass-shooting-church-cops-show-shoot/
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https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-02-19-its-all-theater-florida-high-school-shooting-survivor-caught-on-video-rehearsing-scripted-lines-coached-by-camera-man.html#
Ted Nugent posted this on his facebook page.
It’s all THEATER: Florida high school shooting survivor caught on video rehearsing scripted lines, coached by camera man
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And a friend just sent me a text that Trump has directed ATF to ban bump stocks and rate increase devices...
It's starting...
:mad:
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https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-02-19-its-all-theater-florida-high-school-shooting-survivor-caught-on-video-rehearsing-scripted-lines-coached-by-camera-man.html#
Ted Nugent posted this on his facebook page.
Saw another facebook post saying the boy is a high school graduate from CA and works for CNN. So not sure what the hell is going on with that beyond it being all faked.
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Here's my prediction. No money bet on this, but I'm guessing three things will happen (or "they" will attempt to make them happen) which the administration will go along with:
1) Bump stocks etc. gone. I noticed the Trump administration has been careful to word it as "banning devices that turn LEGAL guns into illegal guns. My belief is that they are doing that to protect ARs, etc. as legal items. As I mentioned earlier, throwing the grabbers a "gimme" while trying to protect the rifles themselves.
2) Purchase age for everything changed to 21. How much this affects rights I suppose is linked to the exact language, such as "purchase" vs "possess".
3) "Fix" background checks. I have no idea what this means, but it's being thrown around a lot from somehow making them more "thorough" (whatever that means) to including "enhancements" for investigation of mental conditions. I would not be surprised, however, to see some additional "checks" (perhaps only annoying, perhaps bad) added to NICS with the support of the administration.
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Fix background checks? The Sutherland Springs shooter (not bothering to look up his name) was able to purchase a firearm because the ball was dropped on actually entering the information. How is a "fixed" background check going to solve that?
For rate increasing devices, is that just bump stocks? Or is it belt loops, string, Jerry Miculek's trigger finger, etc?
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3) "Fix" background checks. I have no idea what this means, but it's being thrown around a lot from somehow making them more "thorough" (whatever that means) to including "enhancements" for investigation of mental conditions. I would not be surprised, however, to see some additional "checks" (perhaps only annoying, perhaps bad) added to NICS with the support of the administration.
I think they're going to try, but the issue is we already have "adjudicated mentally defective" as a prohibitor. Moving the posts from something that requires a court to something that is the opinion of a doctor leaves whatever they come up with ripe for challenge and being overturned by the courts. It might take a couple years but there are plenty of liberty groups and lawyers that would eat that up for lunch.
They could make the compulsory mental health determination -> adjudication process faster and fix the reporting to NICS part, but I don't really think they can do any of the various "a doctor says you might not be stable so no guns!" plans I've seen bandied about. For one thing that would require Mental Health professionals to make simple declarative statements about their patients, which is something they seem loath to ever do.
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Also hearing calls to fix the "gun show loophole".
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For rate increasing devices, is that just bump stocks? Or is it belt loops, string, Jerry Miculek's trigger finger, etc?
It's because of this that I don't mind (well, I mind, but you know what I mean) the Trump admin focusing on bump stocks. It's a technique that is repeatable in many different ways, but the actual items "bump stocks" are a ginormous hoplophobe bogeyman right now as one of the most evil devices ever created by man. If bump stocks are banned, the antis will think that they have won a lot more than they actually have.
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It's because of this that I don't mind (well, I mind, but you know what I mean) the Trump admin focusing on bump stocks. It's a technique that is repeatable in many different ways, but the actual items "bump stocks" are a ginormous hoplophobe bogeyman right now as one of the most evil devices ever created by man. If bump stocks are banned, the antis will think that they have won a lot more than they actually have.
Depends on the terminology used to ban them. Could easily be far too broad.
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Depends on the terminology used to ban them. Could easily be far too broad.
This is true. Though in CA, every time they had what they thought was broad and definitive language, someone created a workaround within 24 hours. =D
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Fix background checks? The Sutherland Springs shooter (not bothering to look up his name) was able to purchase a firearm because the ball was dropped on actually entering the information. How is a "fixed" background check going to solve that?
I don't know the details of the "Fix NICS" bill, but I thought it strengthened requirements on reporting from different agencies and departments, and I think this was done by penalizing failures to report. Of course, we know how good the government is at punishing their own people, when they break the rules.
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I don't know about you guys, but some of these weapons don't look all that destroyed to me.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27412/onelessgun-nbc-highlights-people-destroying-their-paul-bois
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I don't know about you guys, but some of these weapons don't look all that destroyed to me.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27412/onelessgun-nbc-highlights-people-destroying-their-paul-bois
Some folks at NBC are being trolled.....
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"As I see more and more AR-15s being part of mass shootings, I don't want to be a part of that," said Mike Russel.
Well I guess I better destroy my AR-15 before it becomes rabid.
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From what I'm hearing, the "fix NICS" may prove interesting. There's talk about adding "mentally ill" people to the prohibited list. Now, I don't know how that would work out, but I'm guessing that proposals will include requirements for doctors treating a patient to report the treatment to NICS, and that's where the fun will begin. The idea of creating a registry of people seeking mental health services for use by law enforcement is going to send mental health advocates into a fit. There will be HIPPA issues all over the place. I can see a bunch of lawyers getting rich on this one.
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The issue I have heard with "FIX NICS" is that is creates incentives to the report to the point that states will be reporting everyone and everything that is even close to being prohibited and there is still no good process for 1) finding out you are prohibited without illegally attempting to buy a firearms, or 2) getting your name off the prohibited list if falsely reported.
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Saw another facebook post saying the boy is a high school graduate from CA and works for CNN. So not sure what the hell is going on with that beyond it being all faked.
I heard on Rush or somewhere that the rumors that those weren't actual high school kids were not true. They were coached and such to say what they said, but they were supposedly actual students.
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The issue I have heard with "FIX NICS" is that is creates incentives to the report to the point that states will be reporting everyone and everything that is even close to being prohibited and there is still no good process for 1) finding out you are prohibited without illegally attempting to buy a firearms, or 2) getting your name off the prohibited list if falsely reported.
It's easy. Just never seek any mental health treatment for anything, ever. Then you won't be falsely reported.
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The issue I have heard with "FIX NICS" is that is creates incentives to the report to the point that states will be reporting everyone and everything that is even close to being prohibited and there is still no good process for 1) finding out you are prohibited without illegally attempting to buy a firearms, or 2) getting your name off the prohibited list if falsely reported.
The "mental health" thing is kinda scary. As per the stroy below, CA bonehead politicians want to push the CA restraining order crap on the whole country. Which basically has few checks and balances for false reporting. If somebody doesn't like you, they can make a call and LE is forced to respond. Have fun making your way through the courts after that.
https://www.independent.com/news/2018/feb/21/wake-parkland-shooting-rep-carbajal-urges-action-g/
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Normal people generally can't afford to "make their way through the courts" for principles. If the CA law were made nationwide, there would be a lot of wait and see what develops.
I will wait to see the "enhancements" being recommended to the NICs check. Clearly mental health reporting is necessary IF they were legally adjudicated as unfit. The HIPPA thing will be very important and I foresee a big loss in privacy coming our way.
I see the Age 21 thing as a possible. As mentioned, the wording will be very important as there are thousands of young people who live in the country that still hunt (alone) and commonly plink with firearms. I see the possibility of some sort of legislative gun control action to be part of funding and building the wall.
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The 21 years old thing would have to be for purchase. No way they would ban mere possession as that would directly affect the military. Surely they wouldn't come up with any ill-thought out laws that would affect the military in regards to firearms...
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The 21 years old thing would have to be for purchase. No way they would ban mere possession as that would directly affect the military. Surely they wouldn't come up with any ill-thought out laws that would affect the military in regards to firearms...
The government/military/law enforcement/other special people would be exempt, just as they already are. They get to have new machine guns and explosives, unlike us peons.
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The government/military/law enforcement/other special people would be exempt, just as they already are. They get to have new machine guns and explosives, unlike us peons.
Exactly what I was going to say.
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The MSM propoganda is working. One of the students at Trump's "listening session" is repeating the CNN lie about the guy who bought [narrator: "he didn't"] an AR-15 in five minutes.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/21/right-on-cue-chris-cuomos-big-lie-made-it-all-the-way-to-the-whs-school-shooting-listening-session-video/
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The government/military/law enforcement/other special people would be exempt, just as they already are. They get to have new machine guns and explosives, unlike us peons.
Lautenberg Act
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Lautenberg Act
I'm familiar with that, but how does that relate to changing the age of purchasing?
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Anyone following the story about David Hogg the "crisis actor?"
He is a student at the Florida high school that got shot up last week. Some people are saying he is being used as a "crisis actor" because he is the son of a retired FBI agent.
Watch this video starting at the 2 minute mark. Tell me your impressions of his speech. Is he emotional? On the verge of tears? Traumatized and having trouble speaking about it? Or is he fine tuning his words to get a better sound bite?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKj6NJj8HDo&t=158s
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I'm familiar with that, but how does that relate to changing the age of purchasing?
If I remember right, there were some military folk affected by Lautenberg, and I think the point he's making is that Congress is not good at anticipating unintended consequences.
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Some folks at NBC are being trolled.....
Agreed.
It all started with a Facebook video viewed more than 17 million times of a self-described responsible gun owner with a faded tattoo of the right to bear arms. So moved by the Florida shooting, that he sliced his AR-15."
This has all the hallmarks of a false flag operation. Anyone can get ahold of an AR-15 (or something that looks like an AR-15) and claim to be a "responsible gun owner" while carving up the newly-acquired video prop.
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Man, I actually feel sorry for Marco Rubio. I just saw a few clips of that CNN "town hall". That wasn't any town hall - that was like a 1vs5000 pile-on. Perhaps the clips were biased, but that looked like a pretty much 100% stacked deck.
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Agreed.
This has all the hallmarks of a false flag operation. Anyone can get ahold of an AR-15 (or something that looks like an AR-15) and claim to be a "responsible gun owner" while carving up the newly-acquired video prop.
I heard it said he was in New York and that gun was illegal in New York. Not sure where they were. The fact that he didn't know he was not only making an illegal short barreled rifle, but didn't know that the gun would still fire after that makes me think he was not a gun owner and/or knew nothing about that rifle.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btyqTx-o2e8
Hank Strange had Military Arms Channel and MrGunsngear on his live discussion. Discussed a lot of different things. Mac from Military Arms Channel really doesn't like the NRA lately. Hank has had a few different shows with other youtubers about this stuff.
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Normal people generally can't afford to "make their way through the courts" for principles. If the CA law were made nationwide, there would be a lot of wait and see what develops.
I will wait to see the "enhancements" being recommended to the NICs check. Clearly mental health reporting is necessary IF they were legally adjudicated as unfit. The HIPPA thing will be very important and I foresee a big loss in privacy coming our way.
I see the Age 21 thing as a possible. As mentioned, the wording will be very important as there are thousands of young people who live in the country that still hunt (alone) and commonly plink with firearms. I see the possibility of some sort of legislative gun control action to be part of funding and building the wall.
My big problem with the age 21 limitation is it is really meaningless. It doesn't stop any future mass shooters. It just changes how they will obtain their guns. The other problem is you have to decide at what point the law will treat a young man or woman like an adult and let them exercise their rights. Where you draw that line doesn't matter. You could make it at 30 years old. When the next mass shooter is found to be age 28, there will be a push to raise it again. It appears to be a meaningless concession, but it should be something that is very easy to shoot down.
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The age thing annoys the crap out of me, simply because I wish they'd pick just one damn age for adulthood and be done with it. I don't give a rats ass if it's 18 or 21, but pick one! Vote, smoke, own guns, join the military, play the lotto and drink. Pick one. The end.
Although, how the hell they justify 21 for all firearms purchases but will put an 18 year old through Basic and ship them off to a war zone to kill people with a gun is just beyond me.
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I heard it said he was in New York and that gun was illegal in New York. Not sure where they were. The fact that he didn't know he was not only making an illegal short barreled rifle, but didn't know that the gun would still fire after that makes me think he was not a gun owner and/or knew nothing about that rifle.
I've heard online people saying that he's actually a leftist pretending to be a gun owner, something to do with his facebook account being suspicious; and I think I might of already said that here but I don't feel like clicking back a few pages. Also, apparently the rifle was a pre-ban Colt and worth a bit of money. Soo... *shrug*
I'm familiar with that, but how does that relate to changing the age of purchasing?
What fistful said. Not specific to age of purchase, but an example of something that did affect the military because it didn't have any sort of exemption for them. Just an unintended consequence.
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It applies to the military. I've seen signs in Armories that say "If you've been Lautenberg'd, then no guns for you...until we're in theater.." Same with cops. Lautenberg puts you behind a desk, if not out of a job.
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Lautenberg to me most practically meant more watches for people who didn't beat their wife. Thanks jerk.
I am reminded that at age 19 I bought an AR-15 in 1994 precisely because they were being banned. Prior to that I only owned a single shot .22 and would likely own a few hunting guns today and not care much, but the law makers instead somewhat radicalized me. Keep on pushing...
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More fake nooz:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27426/msnbc-hosts-target-florida-governor-not-meeting-hank-berrien
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Although, how the hell they justify 21 for all firearms purchases but will put an 18 year old through Basic and ship them off to a war zone to kill people with a gun is just beyond me.
Liz, we were saying the same thing when I was in Vietnam in the 1960s. At 18 we were old enough to be sent to some third world shithole to fight and die, and back home we couldn't even buy a beer in a tavern.
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Well, it looks like the CNN thing was indeed pretty much scripted (did we expect anything else?) to an anti-gun agenda:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/22/florida-shooting-survivor-cnn-gave-me-scripted-question-for-town-hall-quashed-question-on-armed-guards.html
I know that every time we have a shooting, we have tons of "machine gun misinformation" hit the news, but this really seems to be the worst that I've seen. Certainly a good deal worse than Vegas, which wasn't that long ago. The anti emotions and outright lies are way over the top.
One other thing that worries me is that Trump, because he may hate CNN more than he likes the 2nd, may end up doing something dumb. I saw that he is backpedaling somewaht on armed teachers specifically because CNN called him out on it and he wants to make CNN look "wrong" (IMO).
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Also, Ron Swanson is dead to me:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/22/we-sense-a-pattern-amy-poehler-to-the-nra-fck-off-nick-offerman-to-the-nra-eat-sit/
You are banned from the steak store forever, Ron you sissy.
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Well, it looks like the CNN thing was indeed pretty much scripted (did we expect anything else?) to an anti-gun agenda:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/22/florida-shooting-survivor-cnn-gave-me-scripted-question-for-town-hall-quashed-question-on-armed-guards.html
I know that every time we have a shooting, we have tons of "machine gun misinformation" hit the news, but this really seems to be the worst that I've seen. Certainly a good deal worse than Vegas, which wasn't that long ago. The anti emotions and outright lies are way over the top.
One other thing that worries me is that Trump, because he may hate CNN more than he likes the 2nd, may end up doing something dumb. I saw that he is backpedaling somewaht on armed teachers specifically because CNN called him out on it and he wants to make CNN look "wrong" (IMO).
I think they are on a full court press because they have nothing else to talk about going into the primaries and the mid-term election. I imagine they also know if they are able to push Trump into signing gun control legislation, that will turn away a portion of his voting base. I hope he is smart enough to realize that.
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I thought this was a good article by Michelle Malkin regarding putting "listen to our kids" (and letting 16 year olds vote) into perspective.
http://michellemalkin.com/2018/02/21/do-not-let-the-children-lead/
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My big problem with the age 21 limitation is it is really meaningless. It doesn't stop any future mass shooters. It just changes how they will obtain their guns. The other problem is you have to decide at what point the law will treat a young man or woman like an adult and let them exercise their rights. Where you draw that line doesn't matter. You could make it at 30 years old. When the next mass shooter is found to be age 28, there will be a push to raise it again. It appears to be a meaningless concession, but it should be something that is very easy to shoot down.
I agree with you and believe it is logically meaningless, but it is emotionally "feel good". At this point, I am 80% sure that a bill will be passed.
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I agree with you and believe it is logically meaningless, but it is emotionally "feel good". At this point, I am 80% sure that a bill will be passed.
The last federal gun control bill was passed in 1994!
And it is now gone.
Do your part, and I think we can weather this also.
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/269373/nra-wins-because-love-stronger-hate-daniel-greenfield#.WoxJpqnWTYI.twitter
This is an interesting take. "THE NRA WINS BECAUSE LOVE IS STRONGER THAN HATE"
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The last federal gun control bill was passed in 1994!
And it is now gone.
Do your part, and I think we can weather this also.
IMO, if they can weather the storm after Sandy Hook, they can handle this. The wild card right now is potential new ATF regulations. Maybe later if Fix NICS or the bill to remove suppressors from the NFA come back up, there might be a stronger effort to add amendments we don't like.
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We won't weather this by sitting back and waiting for it to blow over. We ALL need to fire up our computers and contact the President, the Speaker of the House (Ryan), and the Republican leader of the Senate to encourage them to weather the storm. It's easy to do -- they all have on-line forms you can complete and submit in five minutes or less. I have already sent two submissions to the President -- still working on what I'll say to Ryan and McConnell.
You don't have to say much. They won't read them (probably), but their staff will tabulate how many messages they get on each side of an issue. So keep it short, to the point, and polite. But DO IT. There's an old saying in Chicago and Boston politics -- "Vote early, vote often." You can submit as many of these electronic messages as you want, so "keep those cards and letters flowing."
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The last federal gun control bill was passed in 1994!
And it is now gone.
Do your part, and I think we can weather this also.
We got lucky with that one, real lucky, in that it had a sunset for some reason.
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We have a Republican Senate, a Republican House and a Republican President who wants more gun control. If Hillary were asking for new laws the Republicans in the legislature would have pretended to oppose her, but with Trump begging for more anti-gun legislation he will get it.
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Anyone following the story about David Hogg the "crisis actor?"
He is a student at the Florida high school that got shot up last week. Some people are saying he is being used as a "crisis actor" because he is the son of a retired FBI agent.
Watch this video starting at the 2 minute mark. Tell me your impressions of his speech. Is he emotional? On the verge of tears? Traumatized and having trouble speaking about it? Or is he fine tuning his words to get a better sound bite?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKj6NJj8HDo&t=158s
I see various conspiracy stuff about all the mass shootings, i read the stuff but that's it.
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So I saw the bank that the NRA uses for their credit card has caved to protestors and is no longer providing card service. First National of Omaha I think.
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I made an error, I forgot the Lautenberg Amendment was passed by congress in 1996... so the last federal gun control I can recall was about 22 years ago...
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So I saw the bank that the NRA uses for their credit card has caved to protestors and is no longer providing card service. First National of Omaha I think.
Rush mentioned that. He suspects they caved to fake Twitter bots protesting.
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MSNBC hot take:
Lawrence (Tribe): A bullet fired from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun.
And yet the president and the NRA think giving teachers guns will stop a school shooter
Since the AR-15 bullet travels faster, the handgun is useless against it. "Party of science", yo.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/23/satire-is-dead-msnbc-anchors-get-dragged-for-incredibly-dumb-take-on-gun-physics/
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abovethelaw.com never fails to entertain:
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/02/you-realize-arming-teachers-is-going-to-lead-to-black-students-getting-murdered-by-their-teacher-right/
But what if the armed teacher is a person of color? Will (s)he start shooting white students? The author doesn't say.
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abovethelaw.com never fails to entertain:
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/02/you-realize-arming-teachers-is-going-to-lead-to-black-students-getting-murdered-by-their-teacher-right/
But what if the armed teacher is a person of color? Will (s)he start shooting white students? The author doesn't say.
My sense of humor is currently off line for maintenance. Please tell me that is satire.
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My sense of humor is currently off line for maintenance. Please tell me that is satire.
It does read like The Onion, doesn't it? Unfortunately, no such luck.
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dammit, I said please...
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Also not satire:
http://www.miamiherald.com/article201604224.html
On the afternoon of Feb. 20, detectives investigated a report of terroristic threats at the school, where they learned that a student had been completing a math problem that required drawing the square-root sign.
Students in the group began commenting that the symbol, which represents a number that when multiplied by itself equals another number, looked like a gun.
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So if you do math, someone may call the cops on you.
Better not draw the infinity symbol; someone might mistake it for a side-by-side shotgun.
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Also not satire:
http://www.miamiherald.com/article201604224.html
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So if you do math, someone may call the cops on you.
Better not draw the infinity symbol; someone might mistake it for a side-by-side shotgun.
No. That's not real. That can't be real. It just can't. I can't have phase-shifted into another alternate reality again. Not again.
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Suck it up old man, that *expletive deleted*it is as real as it gets.
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And the media lies continue: http://www.newsweek.com/five-gun-control-bills-congress-could-pass-wake-florida-shooting-816327
Just last year, congressional Republicans voted to roll back Obama-era legislation that required the Social Security Administration to enter information about individuals with mental illness into the system.
We've discussed this before. The people being entered into NICS by the Social Security Administration were not people who had been adjudicated mentally defective, they were simply people who had designated someone to help them handle their finances. The Veterans Administration did the same thing.
G-d I hate the media!
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"AR-15s tear bodies apart!!!". So says moron "Retired Lt Colonel Ralph Peters" on Fox News right this minute. "A pump action shotgun is what you want for home defense. If you want to shoot an AR-15, join the military."
Firearms expert. ;/
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"AR-15s tear bodies apart!!!". So says moron "Retired Lt Colonel Ralph Peters" on Fox News right this minute. "A pump action shotgun is what you want for home defense. If you want to shoot an AR-15, join the military."
Firearms expert. ;/
My respect for Peters is diminished. If I wanted to choose a weapon that tears people apart, I'd choose the pump shottie, with appropriate loads they very nearly do that. They were the "trench broom" of WW1 and have been used in many wars since.
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"AR-15s tear bodies apart!!!". So says moron "Retired Lt Colonel Ralph Peters" on Fox News right this minute. "A pump action shotgun is what you want for home defense. If you want to shoot an AR-15, join the military."
Firearms expert. ;/
And the military needs a new rifle because the AR-15 only puts little pinholes in the enemy and doesn't kill them ... ;/
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"AR-15s tear bodies apart!!!". So says moron "Retired Lt Colonel Ralph Peters" on Fox News right this minute. "A pump action shotgun is what you want for home defense. If you want to shoot an AR-15, join the military."
Firearms expert. ;/
paraphrasing the famous nazi quote about how if you want a gun join the hitler youth or wherhmacht ( s.i.c )
deadly force is deadly force.
we do not need to join the army to own rifles, we are already "the people" .... sir
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Clearly we need to go back to muskets and grape shot, because those old timey type guns don't really hurt people.
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"AR-15s tear bodies apart!!!". So says moron "Retired Lt Colonel Ralph Peters" on Fox News right this minute. "A pump action shotgun is what you want for home defense. If you want to shoot an AR-15, join the military."
A couple of hours ago I had a loooong telephone conversation with a non-shooter friend who must have seen this video clip. He said he knows how big a 9mm is (although he didn't), and he asked me how much bigger an AR-15 is. He was shocked (seriously, I'm not just using that as an expression) when I told him it's only .22 caliber. He had no idea -- he thought it was on a par with a .50 cal bullet.
Which, of course, is what the media wanted him to believe.
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A couple of hours ago I had a loooong telephone conversation with a non-shooter friend who must have seen this video clip. He said he knows how big a 9mm is (although he didn't), and he asked me how much bigger an AR-15 is. He was shocked (seriously, I'm not just using that as an expression) when I told him it's only .22 caliber. He had no idea -- he thought it was on a par with a .50 cal bullet.
Which, of course, is what the media wanted him to believe.
Better than some of the morons I've heard in the hallways... because you know the AR-15 uses a "556", which is like 60 times more powerful than just a "9" or even a "40", which is all the police need.
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Better than some of the morons I've heard in the hallways... because you know the AR-15 uses a "556", which is like 60 times more powerful than just a "9" or even a "40", which is all the police need.
That makes no sense at all! I mean, obviously a 40 must be about 4-1/2 times more powerful than a 9.
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and youtube is at it again.
https://www.full30.com/video/6ae2cc31487b3706e27b6342b892acbc
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No. That's not real. That can't be real. It just can't. I can't have phase-shifted into another alternate reality again. Not again.
Of course it's real. It even has the European-style mag release.
And, hey, converting from metric, that 556 is 21.9 inches. Why, that would tear anything apart.
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Clearly we need to go back to muskets and grape shot, because those old timey type guns don't really hurt people.
yup, if only they were serious about that assertion.
I would be fine carrying a black powder firearm in NYC.
please, let me carry the same kind of dueling pistols A Hamilton and A Burr had in NYC.
They would quickly back off from the assertion that the @A applies only to muskets
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Well, I'm disappointed to say that Condoleezza Rice is now on the bandwagon. Too much time at Stanford must have gotten to her.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/25/condoleezza-rice-says-us-needs-to-consider-second-amendments-place-in-modern-world.html
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"AR-15s tear bodies apart!!!". So says moron "Retired Lt Colonel Ralph Peters" on Fox News right this minute. "A pump action shotgun is what you want for home defense. If you want to shoot an AR-15, join the military."
Firearms expert. ;/
Didn't Gen. Wesley Clark say that very same thing way back when he wanted to run for president?
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Didn't Gen. Wesley Clark say that very same thing way back when he wanted to run for president?
Yes, he did. Not surprising -- he was a waste of oxygen anyway.
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What happens when you let teenagers run the narrative as if they were knowledgeable adults:
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/25/brian-stetler-carmine-sabia-go-hogg-wild-over-cnn-reporting-until-ben-shapiro-dana-loesch-jump-in/
Ironically, the CNN program is called "Reliable Sources".
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Dana Loesch owns Congress? So when is she going to repeal GCA '68?
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"YOu dON't sEE tHiS iN tHe REst Of tHe wOrLd!!!1!"
Meanwhile in Nigeria, http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nigeria-says-110-girls-unaccounted-for-after-boko-haram-attack/ar-BBJzitD?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
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"YOu dON't sEE tHiS iN tHe REst Of tHe wOrLd!!!1!"
Meanwhile in Nigeria, http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nigeria-says-110-girls-unaccounted-for-after-boko-haram-attack/ar-BBJzitD?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
It's obviously Dana Loesch's fault. She doesn't care about those kids, either.
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"YOu dON't sEE tHiS iN tHe REst Of tHe wOrLd!!!1!"
Meanwhile in Nigeria, http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nigeria-says-110-girls-unaccounted-for-after-boko-haram-attack/ar-BBJzitD?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
They are right. They don't see this in the rest of the world.
Because our news doesn't care when foreigners are killed, especially if they are of a darker hue. Dana Loesch nailed it: Weeping white women are ratings gold for the bloodthirsty media, so of course that's what they will focus on incessantly. Dusky foreigners just don't cut it.
Of course, the idiots don't realize that they "don't see it in the rest of the world" only because it isn't reported here, not because it doesn't happen.
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The stupidity of this guy aside, does anyone know where this "98.7%" is coming from? It's not the first time I have heard the, "gun owners are only 1% of the population" argument during this latest round of craziness.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/02/26/yeah-thats-stupid-ben-shapiro-shut-seth-abramson-and-his-lame-1791-gun-control-argument-down/
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The stupidity of this guy aside, does anyone know where this "98.7%" is coming from? It's not the first time I have heard the, "gun owners are only 1% of the population" argument during this latest round of craziness.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/02/26/yeah-thats-stupid-ben-shapiro-shut-seth-abramson-and-his-lame-1791-gun-control-argument-down/
Is he talking about the percentage that are in the NRA? (still seems a bit low)
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The stupidity of this guy aside, does anyone know where this "98.7%" is coming from? It's not the first time I have heard the, "gun owners are only 1% of the population" argument during this latest round of craziness.
5 million folks in the NRA / 323 million folks in the US =1.5% of folks in the US own guns. They may have rounded a little on both numbers. I used, literally, the first google result for both.
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NRA numbers were my first thought, but are they really that stupid? I'm not even sure if you could apply that to NYC.
Where I live, in anti-gun CA, I can go in the opposite direction. One of my neighbors (albeit, "neighbors" are like 1/4 mile away) held a get together for all the "neighbors" around here last Summer. About a dozen households showed up. Standing around in the beer circle, it turned out that there were guns in every household.
Given, some of the neighbors are fudds, but they still have at least had a shotgun in the house. Even in extremely anti-gun Santa Barbara, in a pretty liberal office, 5 out of 18 people were gun owners (or the husbands had guns, and that was people that "admitted" it). That's ~25% in SJW HQ.
Also, I forget the exact numbers, but I saw some liberal news talking point that I didn't bother to read pop up on my news feed. The headline was something like, "Why 3% of gun owners own 90% of the guns".
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NRA numbers were my first thought, but are they really that stupid? I'm not even sure if you could apply that to NYC.
No. They're liars. Liars lie. It's what they do. [insert Geico ad here]
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NRA numbers were my first thought, but are they really that stupid? I'm not even sure if you could apply that to NYC.
Where I live, in anti-gun CA, I can go in the opposite direction. One of my neighbors (albeit, "neighbors" are like 1/4 mile away) held a get together for all the "neighbors" around here last Summer. About a dozen households showed up. Standing around in the beer circle, it turned out that there were guns in every household.
Given, some of the neighbors are fudds, but they still have at least had a shotgun in the house. Even in extremely anti-gun Santa Barbara, in a pretty liberal office, 5 out of 18 people were gun owners (or the husbands had guns, and that was people that "admitted" it). That's ~25% in SJW HQ.
Also, I forget the exact numbers, but I saw some liberal news talking point that I didn't bother to read pop up on my news feed. The headline was something like, "Why 3% of gun owners own 90% of the guns".
I think there was a discredited article last year saying all the guns were owned by a relatively few people (3%?). I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of liberals took that as gospel.
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This has already been posted:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/23/satire-is-dead-msnbc-anchors-get-dragged-for-incredibly-dumb-take-on-gun-physics/
It gets worse:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/26/oh-ffs-msnbcs-stephanie-ruhle-doubles-down-on-patently-insane-case-against-arming-teachers/
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Should we tell them about the FN Five-seveN?
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FL state senate shot down an "assault weapons" ban. I guess maybe they know their voting demographic.
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/26/watch-mass-chaos-erupts-when-florida-senate-votes-down-assault-weapons-ban/
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"A handgun [wound] is simply a stabbing with a bullet. It goes in like a nail." With the high-velocity rounds of the AR-15, "it’s as if you shot somebody with a Coke can."
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/26/fact-check-sen-dianne-feinstein-pulling-her-ar-15-expertise-from-rolling-stone-now/
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Remember back in the day when Handgun Control Inc. was just after handguns as being the tools of criminals...
Good times...
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/26/fact-check-sen-dianne-feinstein-pulling-her-ar-15-expertise-from-rolling-stone-now/
I don't think she's that stupid -- she thinks we* are that stupid. She might be right about a lot of people
(*I'm not talking about APS, I'm talking about Americans in general)
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It looks like the first of likely several bills is being introduced into the House. It's probably good that they're going for this kind of ambiguous overreach:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/26/here-we-go-house-dems-introduce-bill-to-ban-sale-production-of-semi-automatic-weapons/
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It looks like the first of likely several bills is being introduced into the House. It's probably good that they're going for this kind of ambiguous overreach:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/26/here-we-go-house-dems-introduce-bill-to-ban-sale-production-of-semi-automatic-weapons/
Here it is in all it's glory.
https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf
the specific list of proposed banned guns looks a little like my shopping list (well, the ones I don't already have)
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Here it is in all it's glory.
https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf
the specific list of proposed banned guns looks a little like my shopping list (well, the ones I don't already have)
Not that they have the votes to pass it, but if they did, given my cursory reading of the link, it looks kinda like CA law. Which means you could come up with "featureless" variations almost immediately after the bill is passed.
I didn't see M1As on it or even M1 carbines.
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I don't think she's that stupid -- she thinks we* are that stupid. She might be right about a lot of people
(*I'm not talking about APS, I'm talking about Americans in general)
After several decades of close observation, it is my conclusion that the "average American" is a slack jawed, mouth breathing, booger eating moron, on a good day.
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I don't think she's that stupid -- she thinks we* are that stupid. She might be right about a lot of people
(*I'm not talking about APS, I'm talking about Americans in general)
Well, I imagine many of the people who keep voting for her are that stupid (at least about some issues).
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The list in that bill made me laugh. So many of the guns specifically named haven't been sold in years... The SP-89, the Streetsweeper, etc. So they dug up old language and added new names, like the S&W M&P-15. Nice.
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https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/26/watch-mass-chaos-erupts-when-florida-senate-votes-down-assault-weapons-ban/
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The list in that bill made me laugh. So many of the guns specifically named haven't been sold in years... The SP-89, the Streetsweeper, etc. So they dug up old language and added new names, like the S&W M&P-15. Nice.
These kinds of lists are actually worrisome to me. The "exempt" part as much as the "banned" part. When you go through the trouble of naming specific firearms not just by type, but by brand and model, what happens to the ones you miss?
My M1A is not on the "banned" list. However, my Remington 788 is not on the "exempt" list. So how would one interpret the fate of the hundreds (thousands?) of guns they didn't specifically list? Especially since they went beyond the binary of "semi-auto or not" to include levers, bolts, over/unders, side by sides, etc.
Lists like that are scary.
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These kinds of lists are actually worrisome to me. The "exempt" part as much as the "banned" part. When you go through the trouble of naming specific firearms not just by type, but by brand and model, what happens to the ones you miss?
My M1A is not on the "banned" list. However, my Remington 788 is not on the "exempt" list. So how would one interpret the fate of the hundreds (thousands?) of guns they didn't specifically list? Especially since they went beyond the binary of "semi-auto or not" to include levers, bolts, over/unders, side by sides, etc.
Lists like that are scary.
I don't know. In a way I find it funny. HK 93 and 91? On the list. CIA C93 and C91, not on the list. Same *expletive deleted*ing rifles. It may show a degree of unhealthy obsession on their part, but it leaves a lot of loopholes on ours.
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These kinds of lists are actually worrisome to me. The "exempt" part as much as the "banned" part. When you go through the trouble of naming specific firearms not just by type, but by brand and model, what happens to the ones you miss?
Same thing that happened to Colt during the old federal AWB. They changed the model name and kept selling.
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Same thing that happened to Colt during the old federal AWB. They changed the model name and kept selling.
I was referring more to older firearms that aren't specifically listed on the "exempt" list. Can't change the name of something already made.
The somewhat tinfoily worry is that when you have lists like that, depending on who's in charge, is that "unlisted" gun something that falls through the cracks? Or could it be confiscated with no recourse because, "Hey, sorry, it's not on the exempt list, so it's illegal."?
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"Full semi-automatic".
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/26/cnn-now-thinks-a-full-semi-automatic-ar-15-exists-and-the-gun-industry-is-astonished/
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All of my AR-15s are fully semi-automatic. As are all of my 1911s that are chambers for .45 Automatic Colt Pistol.
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I was referring more to older firearms that aren't specifically listed on the "exempt" list. Can't change the name of something already made.
The somewhat tinfoily worry is that when you have lists like that, depending on who's in charge, is that "unlisted" gun something that falls through the cracks? Or could it be confiscated with no recourse because, "Hey, sorry, it's not on the exempt list, so it's illegal."?
During the '94-'04 AWB I believe there was a list of "exempt" firearms as well. Not sure if the wording was identical, though.
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I like to shoot my AR in semi-fully-automatic. You've probably never heard of it...
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In regards to the list, once again the Ruger Mini-14 escapes, except for the Tactical Rifle model, which is explicitly named. My Ranch Rifle that I lost in a tragic rowboat accident would be legal.
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In regards to the list, once again the Ruger Mini-14 escapes, except for the Tactical Rifle model, which is explicitly named. My Ranch Rifle that I lost in a tragic rowboat accident would be legal.
What exactly is the Tactical Rifle? I have a GS model with a flash suppressor (I don't *think* it's also a bayonet mount but not sure) that came with a factory 30-round mag. It's pretty "tactical", except for the gorgeous walnut stock -- the stock was why I bought it. I think it was a custom run that they built for a state prison.
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(https://ruger.com/products/mini14TacticalRifle/images/top.jpg)
The Mini-14 Tactical Rifle.
Except for the birdcage flash suppressor and the front site, this looks an awful lot like my stainless Ranch back when I had the all-weather stock on it. Now that I have the Strikeforce stock on it, it looks much more evil:
(https://www.atioutdoors.com/media/extendware/ewimageopt/media/inline/93/2/strikeforce-mini-14-thirty-stock-d9b.jpg)
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A picture of mine is about halfway down the page: https://us2.campaign-archive.com/?u=99c3876c30b42968d4190988b&id=35950fa7a2&e=23781dc72b It has the same flash hider and front sight as the TR. I generally use 20-round mags with it, but I have a few 30's (I really don't like the plastic 30's)
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These students are so disturbed by the violence in our schools today:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27604/watch-student-led-anti-gun-rally-turns-violent-ryan-saavedra
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Heh. CNN stepped in it in a kind of a "two for one deal".
An argument that first implies that being a teacher is "women's work", then argues that women can't carry concealed because of their wardrobe. :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/02/27/dude-shut-up-women-rekt-cnn-analyst-for-mansplaining-how-their-wardrobe-keeps-them-from-carrying/
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Heh. CNN stepped in it in a kind of a "two for one deal".
An argument that first implies that being a teacher is "women's work", then argues that women can't carry concealed because of their wardrobe. :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/02/27/dude-shut-up-women-rekt-cnn-analyst-for-mansplaining-how-their-wardrobe-keeps-them-from-carrying/
Guess what Dana Loesch started off with on her radio show today. :laugh: Did she pay him to tee that up for her?
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These students are so disturbed by the violence in our schools today:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27604/watch-student-led-anti-gun-rally-turns-violent-ryan-saavedra
Beyond the violence, the most funny thing was the video of kids screaming in joy as they ran through a mall. There were a handful of True Believers and a bunch of kids who wanted to get out of school and cut loose.
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Well, not helpful:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/27/update-parkland-shooting-survivors-father-admits-to-altering-his-evidence-that-cnn-scripted-town-hall-question/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COljUbyh1Os
Oh **** :facepalm:
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Dick's sporting good is living up to their namesake again. Will no longer sell semiauto firearms or "high capacity" magazines and will NOT sell any firearm to under 21 years old.
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Dick's sporting good is living up to their namesake again. Will no longer sell semiauto firearms or "high capacity" magazines and will NOT sell any firearm to under 21 years old.
They truly are their name...I will never buy anything from them.
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Dick's sporting good is living up to their namesake again. Will no longer sell semiauto firearms or "high capacity" magazines and will NOT sell any firearm to under 21 years old.
I just saw that on the TV. They can only sell CA compliant ARs here, but I'm going to bet that at least the local one is going to take a big hit. Sportsman's Warehouse just (re)opened a new store last December like a half mile from the local Dick's. I'm betting they are going to suddenly get a lot more gun and non-gun business that might have gone to Dick's. Despite this being CA, I have been wearing an NRA jacket out and about for the last week, and in this area, I don't have to worry about having red paint or eggs or whatever thrown on me.
I'm curious about the urban vs rural geographic distribution of Dick's stores. I supposed depending on that, this may have been a good, or bad, business decision.
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These students are so disturbed by the violence in our schools today:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27604/watch-student-led-anti-gun-rally-turns-violent-ryan-saavedra
Whaaaat?
"We do support the freedom to protest peacefully and freedom of speech," said a spokesperson for Stockton Police Department. "While the majority of the students were peaceful today, we don’t condone the violence which was committed by a small handful of students. It’s unacceptable to batter a police officer and especially to take an officer’s baton."
How about "It's unacceptable to damage people's cars by throwing rocks at them"?
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Apparently Dick's already stopped selling "assault weapons" some time ago (now that I read it, I think maybe we talked about it here). They are now applying that part of their "response" to Field & Stream stores (which I've never heard of).
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/28/dicks-sporting-goods-unveils-bold-plan-to-help-small-business-owners-sell-more-guns/
Also, to tie it into the "thoughts and prayers" topic, they apparently took a swipe at that too.
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Apparently Dick's already stopped selling "assault weapons" some time ago (now that I read it, I think maybe we talked about it here). They are now applying that part of their "response" to Field & Stream stores (which I've never heard of).
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/28/dicks-sporting-goods-unveils-bold-plan-to-help-small-business-owners-sell-more-guns/
Also, to tie it into the "thoughts and prayers" topic, they apparently took a swipe at that too.
Yea, Field & Stream stores = Cables, Bass Pro Shops, Gander Mountain, etc. They are around the great lakes, NE, Mid-Atlantic, SE and South and one in OR (one of the first was in the Cincinnati region (Northern Kentucky.)) Field and Stream tapped Dick's to run the stores.
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When your side can't even win a Politico poll (maybe this should have gone in the "pro gun "topic). =D
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/28/narrative-busted-new-polling-on-armed-teachers-is-not-what-dems-want-to-hear/
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Dick's sporting good is living up to their namesake again. Will no longer sell semiauto firearms or "high capacity" magazines and will NOT sell any firearm to under 21 years old.
Didn't they already do that after the Sandy Hook shooting?
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Didn't they already do that after the Sandy Hook shooting?
Yes. They did still sell them in the Field and Stream stores though; they are supposedly stopping that now.
Also they will now not sell handguns to 18 to 21 year olds anymore? Who knew they were breaking that law all this time! ;/
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-28/were-going-take-stand-dicks-stops-selling-assault-rifles-permanently
... and this time it's purmanint!
“The whole hunting business is an important part of our business, and we know there is going to be backlash on this,” said Mr. Stack. “But we’re willing to accept that.”
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Does Dick's sell wedding cakes?
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-28/were-going-take-stand-dicks-stops-selling-assault-rifles-permanently
... and this time it's purmanint!
Quote from the comments in the above link: Dick's makes gun show shysters look respectable!
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I’ve decided to support the proposed 21 age for gun purchases. If kids under 21 aren’t responsible enough to own guns then we should make the age 21 for everything, voting, tobacco, gettings unrestricted drivers license, sign contracts, etc. Make all adult actions the same age. But I think the age should be 35.
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I’ve decided to support the proposed 21 age for gun purchases. If kids under 21 aren’t responsible enough to own guns then we should make the age 21 for everything, voting, tobacco, gettings unrestricted drivers license, sign contracts, etc. Make all adult actions the same age. But I think the age should be 35.
The draft/military service...
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I’ve decided to support the proposed 21 age for gun purchases. If kids under 21 aren’t responsible enough to own guns then we should make the age 21 for everything, voting, tobacco, gettings unrestricted drivers license, sign contracts, etc. Make all adult actions the same age. But I think the age should be 35.
More or less my point to a few different people. The line needs to be drawn somewhere. At some point, a kid needs to be declared an adult and they get to have all the privileges and rights of an adult. It used to be 18. So much stuff has been pushed to a higher age, it isn't really 18 anymore. I wonder if they will move the statutory rape age up to 21 also.
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I wonder if they will move the statutory rape age up to 21 also.
No, because liberals are nothing if not consistently inconsistent.
Liberals: "An 18 year old is a CHILD! No CHILD should be able to guy a gun!"
Also Liberals: "A 14 year old is TOTALLY mature enough to decide (with no parental involvement) to kill her baby because it's a scary thing to be pregnant."
Liberals: "You're a monster to suggest that anyone under 27 ought to be responsible for buying their own insurance!"
Also Liberals: "It was completely consensual for that 13 year old to have sex with Roman Polanski. She WANTED it."
Liberals: "There's no way we should be letting 16 year olds drive on their own! Who knows what reckless thing they might do, ESPECIALLY if surrounded by their friends!"
Also Liberals: "We should lower the voting age to 16. 16 year olds have a much better ability to detect BS than adults."
(I can go on...)
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More or less my point to a few different people. The line needs to be drawn somewhere. At some point, a kid needs to be declared an adult and they get to have all the privileges and rights of an adult. It used to be 18. So much stuff has been pushed to a higher age, it isn't really 18 anymore. I wonder if they will move the statutory rape age up to 21 also.
I would just add that they then have all the responsibilities as well. The way they're talking with the "voting at 16" thing, is that they just want kids to have the "rights' because they "deserve" them, but they don't talk about all the responsibilities and potential consequences of making adult decisions. If a 16 year old votes for a 75% tax rate, they don't have to pay it. If a 16 year old rips me off on a contract, I can't do anything about it.
If you talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.
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"Full semi-automatic".
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/26/cnn-now-thinks-a-full-semi-automatic-ar-15-exists-and-the-gun-industry-is-astonished/
Come on. Doesn't anyone have this engraved on a lower yet?
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I'm in favor of declaring one age of majority. If it's 21 to drink alcohol or buy a full semi auto black rifle or whatever fine, but by gawd they shouldn't be allowed to vote until then either.
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i caught the last bit of some meeting Trump was having with a bunch of legislatures. I didn't like 90% of what I was hearing and with how happy Feinstien looked this is not good. Of course Manchin and Toomey are back at it again with their "Background Check" bill. At this point I think we are looking at some new gun control laws unless some in the Senate or Congress can blow this up. BTW Trump told them not to put the Concealed Carry Reciprocity in the bill, to try and do that separately, so we won't likely even have an upside to whatever nonsense comes out of this.
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I'm not feeling great about this:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/28/wtf-i-love-trump-now-so-will-dems-and-gun-control-advocates-praise-trump-for-this-video/
It may just be Trump playing to the crowd, but maybe not. I guess the only way to know for sure will be based on what he signs and doesn't sign.
JUST NOW: "I like taking the guns early," President Trump says. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
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i caught the last bit of some meeting Trump was having with a bunch of legislatures.
What I saw was not good, Trump was just agreeing with any dumb idea anyone brought up. I mean, I'm not too worried about any bill actually passing but still. :O
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,”
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Trump seemed to be agreeing with just about every one in that so called bipartisan meeting. That bothers me a great deal. They seemed to be pushing the 21 year age minimum for rifles. If this goes further and I think it will unless the Dems bundle up a lot of restrictive crap in the same bill. So, if the 21 thing gets placed in legislation that has a chance of passing, I would suggest that they include only center fire semi-auto rifle purchases with that minimum age.
They talked about mentally ill people not owning guns.... well I already thought they couldn't. Hence they want to relax the designation which I am somewhat uncomfortable with unless it is very carefully worded. I see the CA thing possibly happening based on law enforcement action or at least a temporary restraining order.
The one guy was pushing outlawing all "assault rifles"..... that wouldn't get far as full auto rifles aren't even outlawed.
Let's not forget universal background checks. That pesky old gun show loophole that isn't a loophole....
IF they go with universal background checks, I would suggest that there be no cost to the person doing the checking and no fees to FFL dealers just to get some piece of paper saying you have no criminal record.
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The Democratic push for gun control is a perfect opportunity for Congressional Republicans to make their case for re-election. "Vote for us in 2018, or they'll confiscate every gun you own!"
Perhaps Trump finally, at long last, wants to become a real Republican, by snatching defeat from the jaws, and the full, pouting lips of victory.
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Trump seemed to be agreeing with just about every one in that so called bipartisan meeting. That bothers me a great deal. They seemed to be pushing the 21 year age minimum for rifles. If this goes further and I think it will unless the Dems bundle up a lot of restrictive crap in the same bill. So, if the 21 thing gets placed in legislation that has a chance of passing, I would suggest that they include only center fire semi-auto rifle purchases with that minimum age.
They talked about mentally ill people not owning guns.... well I already thought they couldn't. Hence they want to relax the designation which I am somewhat uncomfortable with unless it is very carefully worded. I see the CA thing possibly happening based on law enforcement action or at least a temporary restraining order.
The one guy was pushing outlawing all "assault rifles"..... that wouldn't get far as full auto rifles aren't even outlawed.
Let's not forget universal background checks. That pesky old gun show loophole that isn't a loophole....
IF they go with universal background checks, I would suggest that there be no cost to the person doing the checking and no fees to FFL dealers just to get some piece of paper saying you have no criminal record.
He did the same thing with the Immigration meeting (Before Durbin torpedoed any chance of compromise with the "sh!thole" allegation).
I would bet that at worst we get the "Fix NICS" bill, and if we are really lucky we the "Fix NICS" bill with reciprocity.
Strong bet: Bumpstocks are gone (ATF has been working on rule making since LV). And rumour has it that the D's are going to go against "Fix NICS" because "It doesn't go far enough". So nothing gets done.
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I do hope Trump gets some behind the scenes guidance from his sons to understand potential consequences of much of this "feel good" stuff. On universal background checks for example, what's to keep us from being charged $50/gun unless some specific language is inserted to cap the costs? In CA, there are wildly swinging costs on the private party transfer through FFLs. I know I've seen some dealers quote as much as $75, while others charge $15.
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He did the same thing with the Immigration meeting (Before Durbin torpedoed any chance of compromise with the "sh!thole" allegation).
I would bet that at worst we get the "Fix NICS" bill, and if we are really lucky we the "Fix NICS" bill with reciprocity.
Strong bet: Bumpstocks are gone (ATF has been working on rule making since LV). And rumour has it that the D's are going to go against "Fix NICS" because "It doesn't go far enough". So nothing gets done.
Trump said he was going to do an EO on bump stocks. I’m not sure that is legal, but I’ve thought that about a lot of EOs by many Presidents. The problem is in challenging them. I do t particularly care about numb stocks either; but still don’t like the idea of an EO being used.
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I'm not sure I give a crap what Trump is or is not saying.
What are the numbers in the House and Senate on this stuff? Because that's what matters (well, other than the possible EO)
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Trump said he was going to do an EO on bump stocks. I’m not sure that is legal, but I’ve thought that about a lot of EOs by many Presidents. The problem is in challenging them. I do t particularly care about numb stocks either; but still don’t like the idea of an EO being used.
An EO might be used to ban importation of bumpstocks, as George H.W. Bush did with importing small handguns. Not sure if any bumpstocks are imported.
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An EO might be used to ban importation of bumpstocks, as George H.W. Bush did with importing small handguns. Not sure if any bumpstocks are imported.
Yeah I question the legality of that one too. Didn’t they claim the old sporting purposes to justify that one?
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Yeah I question the legality of that one too. Didn’t they claim the old sporting purposes to justify that one?
If they did, they could just as easily use it to justify a bumpstock ban.
"Sporting purpose" means whatever the government wants it to mean.
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I’ve decided to support the proposed 21 age for gun purchases. If kids under 21 aren’t responsible enough to own guns then we should make the age 21 for everything, voting, tobacco, gettings unrestricted drivers license, sign contracts, etc. Make all adult actions the same age. But I think the age should be 35.
I hope they poison pill to the extreme any age increase bills with stuff like that.
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/28/thats-a-stinger-ben-sasse-goes-off-on-trump-for-those-awful-due-process-comments/
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The Democratic push for gun control is a perfect opportunity for Congressional Republicans to make their case for re-election. "Vote for us in 2018, or they'll confiscate every gun you own!"
Perhaps Trump finally, at long last, wants to become a real Republican, by snatching defeat from the jaws, and the full, pouting lips of victory.
Which they would just as likely do after they got reelected.
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Well, Walmart caved.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/28/walmart-to-raise-age-restriction-for-firearms-and-ammo-purchases-to-21/
I'm thinking this "21 and over" thing is going to be a done deal, if chains begin to cave even before legislation is introduced.
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He did the same thing with the Immigration meeting (Before Durbin torpedoed any chance of compromise with the "sh!thole" allegation).
I would bet that at worst we get the "Fix NICS" bill, and if we are really lucky we the "Fix NICS" bill with reciprocity.
Strong bet: Bumpstocks are gone (ATF has been working on rule making since LV). And rumour has it that the D's are going to go against "Fix NICS" because "It doesn't go far enough". So nothing gets done.
Except in Illinois.
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Don't bumpstocks already exist pretty much at the pleasure of the ATF? I thought all that garbage like trigger cranks and such was approved by letter from their tech branch. My new pet hate is binary AR triggers, they seem to attract morons, one of which is going to put at least one more hole in someone than legally needed and make us all look like morons.
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Well, Walmart caved.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/28/walmart-to-raise-age-restriction-for-firearms-and-ammo-purchases-to-21/
I'm thinking this "21 and over" thing is going to be a done deal, if chains begin to cave even before legislation is introduced.
Meh. WalMart likes to occasionally virtue signal, then back pedal ("we only did that at certain stores") and then the policy quietly goes back to what they used to do.
They'll cave on that before next hunting season.
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Don't bumpstocks already exist pretty much at the pleasure of the ATF? I thought all that garbage like trigger cranks and such was approved by letter from their tech branch. My new pet hate is binary AR triggers, they seem to attract morons, one of which is going to put at least one more hole in someone than legally needed and make us all look like morons.
Hell, I want to get one. Not sure if I will use it anymore than the bump stock, but it looks like fun. Watching the videos on it, it looks like it is not easy to run it fast without practice.
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Hell, I want to get one. Not sure if I will use it anymore than the bump stock, but it looks like fun. Watching the videos on it, it looks like it is not easy to run it fast without practice.
Well, if they ban them, there's always the old 3D printer...
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i watched a little bit of whatever that was with difi sitting near trump, he said "no reciprocity" .... I'm sorta angry.
This seems like a perfect time for it
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I think that we should propose a bill. Clearly, semi auto AR15s have to go. We should ban semiauto only rifles... and replace them with non-NFA select fire specimens instead.
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https://conservativefiringline.com/poll-americans-think-government-not-gun-laws-failed-fla/
A new Rasmussen survey released Tuesday says more American adults think government agencies failed in Florida more than the attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School happened due to weak gun laws.
This is a bit reassuring that ALL Americans are not idiots.
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Don't bumpstocks already exist pretty much at the pleasure of the ATF? I thought all that garbage like trigger cranks and such was approved by letter from their tech branch.
You are right. Trump can just tell the BAFE to declare bump stocks machine guns, and they are suddenly magically MGs. No action by congress needed.
Are the really? No, not at all. They don't meet the definition of a MG, as the BATFE repeatedly ruled for years. But they can (and do) change their mind all the time, and no federal judge will ever rule against this stupid and illegal "determination." The law means what some jackass regulator says it does, not what it actually says.
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I would think any regulation that bans bump stocks would have to do so by blurring the 1 trigger pull, one shot definition. Who knows what affect that would have on the semi-auto vs full auto rulings down the road.
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You are right. Trump can just tell the BAFE to declare bump stocks machine guns, and they are suddenly magically MGs. No action by congress needed.
Are the really? No, not at all. They don't meet the definition of a MG, as the BATFE repeatedly ruled for years. But they can (and do) change their mind all the time, and no federal judge will ever rule against this stupid and illegal "determination." The law means what some jackass regulator says it does, not what it actually says.
Well, sure, but once you're willing to lie about the nature of things they could just as easily rule that single-shot, bolt-action rifles are machine guns.
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Looks like David Hogg, is running the clock out on his 15 minutes and is now becoming a James Comey protege with the "deep" comments.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/01/looks-like-david-hogg-has-a-serious-self-awareness-problem/
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Well, sure, but once you're willing to lie about the nature of things they could just as easily rule that single-shot, bolt-action rifles are machine guns.
Isn't this the bureau that said a string is a machine gun?
https://www.survivalmonkey.com/threads/atf-declares-a-14-inch-shoe-string-a-machinegun.4749/
Why, yes. Yes it is.
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Senator Martin Heinrich (D., NM) just said on MSNBC he wants to ban anyone under 21 from owning "gas-assisted receiver firearms."
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Is the Senator also "gas-assisted"?
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A surprising level headed editorial from the Cincinnati Enquirer: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/editorials/2018/02/27/ohios-first-priority-enforce-gun-laws-books/376631002/ (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/editorials/2018/02/27/ohios-first-priority-enforce-gun-laws-books/376631002/)
The editorial board recommends establishing a reasonable deadline for all courts to come into compliance with the existing state law and strong and enforceable penalties for noncompliance. Kasich should appoint someone on an interim basis who will oversee a process that includes, assessing the technological capabilities of the courts in Ohio, working with them and local governments on funding options and monitoring records compliance and holding courts accountable for meeting the deadline set by the governor and lawmakers.
Failures in the background check system and other fail-safes are costing too many American lives and creating a safe haven for criminals or the mentally ill to obtain dangerous weapons. Keeping guns out of the hands of those who should not have them is not a political issue, it's a moral imperative.
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Senator Martin Heinrich (D., NM) just said on MSNBC he wants to ban anyone under 21 from owning "gas-assisted receiver firearms."
They can't stop beclowning themselves with their ignorance of firearms. They just can't.
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Senator Martin Heinrich (D., NM) just said on MSNBC he wants to ban anyone under 21 from owning "gas-assisted receiver firearms."
So a PTR-91 and MP5 are cool then? Tec-9? Uzi? M2HB?
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I'm putting together an AR build, you guys. Help me out. So far I've got:
Full Semi-Automatic
gas-assist receiver
shoulder thing that goes up
30-caliber clip
What else I needs to put on this bad dog?
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They can't stop beclowning themselves with their ignorance of firearms. They just can't.
I think they have heard the criticisms of past attempts to ban or restrict military style guns and are trying to find ways to do it differently. They still fall short because hunting rifles and military rifles aren't all that different functionally.
Either that or they think they can throw out technical mumbo jumbo and that will sound good to their voters.
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I'm putting together an AR build, you guys. Help me out. So far I've got:
Full Semi-Automatic
gas-assist receiver
shoulder thing that goes up
30-caliber clip
What else I needs to put on this bad dog?
How many times do we have to have this "clip vs magazine" talk? It's not a clip, you dope. What you want is a “high-capacity, rapid-fire magazine” (courtesy Debbie Wasserman Schultz).
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I'm putting together an AR build, you guys. Help me out. So far I've got:
Full Semi-Automatic
gas-assist receiver
shoulder thing that goes up
30-caliber clip
What else I needs to put on this bad dog?
You have to say "barrel shroud" along with that 3rd one.
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How many times do we have to have this "clip vs magazine" talk? It's not a clip, you dope. What you want is a “high-capacity, rapid-fire magazine” (courtesy Debbie Wasserman Schultz).
I want a 30 round clip for my M1 Garand. I haven't seen them for sale.
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How many times do we have to have this "clip vs magazine" talk? It's not a clip, you dope. What you want is a “high-capacity, rapid-fire magazine” (courtesy Debbie Wasserman Schultz).
I def want one of them, so I can magazine real fast, you know?
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I don't know why y'all seem to want to try and carry magazines around. Seems like clips would be more convenient. :old:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_magazine#/media/File:CampParapet21Jan2008DRView.jpg
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I don't know why y'all seem to want to try and carry magazines around. Seems like clips would be more convenient. :old:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_magazine#/media/File:CampParapet21Jan2008DRView.jpg
I use magazines cause they untraceable in my ghost gun. Problem is, once you use a magazine, it's done (http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/04/03/as-lead-sponsor-in-house-on-gun-legislation-rep-diana-degette-appears-to-not-understand-how-they-work/93506/). You can't use it no more.
(By the way, read that full article for multiple stupidities, even as it seeks to correct a stupidity. Shades of Mark Hertling.)
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I want a 30 round clip for my M1 Garand. I haven't seen them for sale.
:facepalm: Just get an M1A..... :angel:
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:facepalm: Just get an M1A..... :angel:
They're talking about banning the M1A
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You have to say "barrel shroud" along with that 3rd one.
and don't forget your bayonet lug!
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They're talking about banning the M1A.
I got mine. Better get yours. No telling what Trump might sign if Putin really puts the screws to him ....... [tinfoil]
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How many times do we have to have this "clip vs magazine" talk? It's not a clip, you dope. What you want is a “high-capacity, rapid-fire magazine” (courtesy Debbie Wasserman Schultz).
It needs to disperse a 30 caliber magazine clip in half a second. (https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0)
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It needs to disperse a 30 caliber magazine clip in half a second. (https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0)
Wasn't he the California politician who was busted for gun trafficking?
Nope, that was Leland Yee. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/leland-yee-gun-traffickin_n_5038152.html
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Why conservatives are obsessed with guns.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27772/slate-explains-why-conservatives-are-obsessed-gun-james-barrett
How many of these alleged conservative character traits sound more like leftist traits to you? =|
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Why conservatives are obsessed with guns.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27772/slate-explains-why-conservatives-are-obsessed-gun-james-barrett
So, what they're saying is that because I was #BornThisWay they can't judge me?
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Wasn't he the California politician who was busted for gun trafficking?
Nope, that was Leland Yee. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/leland-yee-gun-traffickin_n_5038152.html
No, De Leon is the guy who says half his relatives are in the U.S. illegally.
Still waiting for ICE to act on that.
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It needs to disperse a 30 caliber magazine clip in half a second. (https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0)
No, De Leon is the guy who says half his relatives are in the U.S. illegally.
Still waiting for ICE to act on that.
And he's running against Feinstein in the D primary for US Senate.
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And he's running against Feinstein in the D primary for US Senate.
He's a front runner for the seat. The dem party is not supporting Feinstein as she's too conservative.
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He's a front runner for the seat. The dem party is not supporting Feinstein as she's too conservative.
She may not have the party's endorsement, but she's well ahead in the polls.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/feinstein-loses-california-democratic-partys-endorsement/2018/02/25/6c752f60-1a44-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html?utm_term=.2bbb678e8b52
But until Sunday morning, de León had little evidence that his challenge to Feinstein could succeed. The senator entered the year with more than $9.8 million in campaign funds on hand; de León had just $359,261. A February poll from the Public Policy Institute of California found her leading de León by 29 points, with 33 percent of likely voters undecided.
I imagine she will probably win re-election. Whether she'll be able to serve the full 6 years is another matter (she would be 90).
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She may not have the party's endorsement, but she's well ahead in the polls.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/feinstein-loses-california-democratic-partys-endorsement/2018/02/25/6c752f60-1a44-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html?utm_term=.2bbb678e8b52
I imagine she will probably win re-election. Whether she'll be able to serve the full 6 years is another matter (she would be 90).
I guess I need to quit reading the liberal weeklies. :laugh:
Though it's a sad state of affairs when Feinstein winning is a less bad thing.
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What else I needs to put on this bad dog?
Integral ghosting mount point.
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Why conservatives are obsessed with guns.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27772/slate-explains-why-conservatives-are-obsessed-gun-james-barrett
How many of these alleged conservative character traits sound more like leftist traits to you? =|
Hmmm ...
We all exaggerate risk, but conservatives are especially prone to exaggerate risks. For one thing, conservatives generally tend to see the world as a more dangerous place than liberals do, so they are especially vulnerable to these distortions.
Conservatives are realists, and don't walk around in a LaLaland trance.
They also tend to repress their own aggressive and sexual impulses more and to identify with aggressors.
Conservatives open doors for women rather than raping them.
These forbidden impulses may be projected onto others, justifying the decision to see others as a source of danger and legitimizing aggressive responses.
Conservatives can see when liberal snowflakes are being hypocritical.
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No, De Leon is the guy who says half his relatives are in the U.S. illegally.
Still waiting for ICE to act on that.
I knew I had seen that name before. Thanks.
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Who wants to bet that this will be added on the lists as a "school shooting"? https://apnews.com/d547fe1b9ad24ccea654746cbe4689bc
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Who wants to bet that this will be added on the lists as a "school shooting"? https://apnews.com/d547fe1b9ad24ccea654746cbe4689bc
Halie Byron, 20, said she locked herself in her off-campus house, about a 10-minute walk from the dorm. She had planned to run errands before traveling home to southeastern Michigan.
“It’s scary thinking about how easy a shooter can come into a college campus anywhere — a classroom, a library. There’s so much easy access,” Byron said.
Not to worry, Ms. Byron. I'm sure your campus is posted as a gun-free zone, so there's no need for you to worry about guns on the campus.
Eh? What's that you say? Oh ...
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Great comment by James Woods at the link. Apparently there will be over 500 armed security personnel at the Oscars tonight, which it's reported will be heavy on the gun control rhetoric.
I'm placing my bet that it will be the least watched Oscars of all time.
https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2018/03/04/james-woods-offers-a-preemptive-strike-on-the-upcoming-anti-gun-lectures-at-the-oscars/
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Florida senate rejects assault weapon ban, votes to arm teachers, raise age for purchase of firearms to 21, and ban bump stocks.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/florida-senate-rejects-ban-assault-weapons-votes-arm-154226849.html
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:facepalm: Just get an M1A..... :angel:
Those only take 5 round clips.
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Florida senate rejects assault weapon ban, votes to arm teachers, raise age for purchase of firearms to 21, and ban bump stocks.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/florida-senate-rejects-ban-assault-weapons-votes-arm-154226849.html
At least some people have some sense.
However, it would be nice if people would realize that we don't need to arm teachers, we just need to stop disarming them.
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Those only take 5 round clips.
Funny. Mine can take 5 rnd., 10 rnd., 20 rnd., or 30 rnd. magazines. Yours must be an oddball. :lol:
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Funny. Mine can take 5 rnd., 10 rnd., 20 rnd., or 30 rnd. magazines. Yours must be an oddball. :lol:
I said "clips". I have never seen any clips but the 5 round stripper clips for the M14. =)
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I said "clips". I have never seen any clips but the 5 round stripper clips for the M14. =)
Picky.
I've never seen any clips for the M1A. Yes mine has provision for the loading using them .... but I've never seen them.
And anyway, they're used to load the magazine ---- so THEY DON'T COUNT! >:D :police: =D =D
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Interesting video: https://youtu.be/8OeJ-8v472A
Curiously, the link was sent to me by my good friend, Rand Paul. I guess in my dotage my memory must be failing, because I can't recall ever having met Mr. Paul. Nonetheless, he says I'm his good friend, so who am I to doubt him.
But it's an interesting video nonetheless.
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I always use clips to load my M1A.
(https://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/753664000/753664943/pix794581327.jpg)
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I always use clips to load my M1A.
(https://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/753664000/753664943/pix794581327.jpg)
I hope that isn't what you are putting in your M1A, if it is we need to talk. ;)
bob
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I always use clips to load my M1A.
(https://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/753664000/753664943/pix794581327.jpg)
You lucky devil you! You have an M1A that takes 5.56mm. .[popcorn]
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Blame gunbroker. That was the first pic that popped up for 7.62 battle packs :P
Fake news. =D
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I still have some old surplus 308 ammo that came in bandoliers with 5 round stripper clips loaded. The bandoliers were packed in ammo cans.
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I guess that picture didn't want to work. =|
(https://pics.me.me/*expletive deleted*ck-she-held-a-rally-today-31302469.png)
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I guess that picture didn't want to work. =|
(https://pics.me.me/*expletive deleted*ck-she-held-a-rally-today-31302469.png)
That one didnt, either. ;)
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Shannon Watts - the Maxine Waters of the gun-ban lobby.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27873/bethany-mandel-hank-berrien
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Shannon Watts - the Maxine Waters of the gun-ban lobby.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27873/bethany-mandel-hank-berrien
Holy Carp! Did Sannon Watts really say this?
The problem with America right now is that people are making gun laws based on emotion, not data.
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Holy Carp! Did Sannon Watts really say this?
Emotions based on facts! So it's alright.
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NPR article on the "fraud" that is the Second Amendment.
The "fraud" term was used by Warren Burger. I actually didn't know much about him, but looking stuff up, it appears he was quite the proto-RINO. Or at least a country club conservative. Apparently Nixon got what was coming to him for appointing Warren, because it was a Warren ruling that expedited Nixon's exist.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/05/590920670/from-fraud-to-individual-right-where-does-the-supreme-court-stand-on-guns
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That one didnt, either. ;)
https://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpics.me.me%2Ffuck-she-held-a-rally-today-31302469.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fme.me%2Fi%2Fwhy-the-*expletive deleted*ck-pistachios-so-expensive-angers-16345505&docid=DimHiVc9lwtIlM&tbnid=A0fmT_Zym4OJ-M%3A&w=500&h=911&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim (https://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpics.me.me%2Ffuck-she-held-a-rally-today-31302469.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fme.me%2Fi%2Fwhy-the-*expletive deleted*ck-pistachios-so-expensive-angers-16345505&docid=DimHiVc9lwtIlM&tbnid=A0fmT_Zym4OJ-M%3A&w=500&h=911&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim)
Here is google link to the picture I tried to post.
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NPR article on the "fraud" that is the Second Amendment.
The "fraud" term was used by Warren Burger. I actually didn't know much about him, but looking stuff up, it appears he was quite the proto-RINO. Or at least a country club conservative. Apparently Nixon got what was coming to him for appointing Warren, because it was a Warren ruling that expedited Nixon's exist.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/05/590920670/from-fraud-to-individual-right-where-does-the-supreme-court-stand-on-guns
Nixon hated guns.
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NPR article on the "fraud" that is the Second Amendment.
The "fraud" term was used by Warren Burger. I actually didn't know much about him, but looking stuff up, it appears he was quite the proto-RINO. Or at least a country club conservative. Apparently Nixon got what was coming to him for appointing Warren, because it was a Warren ruling that expedited Nixon's exist.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/05/590920670/from-fraud-to-individual-right-where-does-the-supreme-court-stand-on-guns
Even that article perpetuates a fraud; that the 2A was historically viewed as a "collective right." According to Stephen Halbrook in his treatise "THAT EVERY MAN BE ARMED" the concept of it being a collective right dates back only to 1941, due to a court case which itself was a misinterpretation of Constitutional Law. Halbrook claims there is not ANY evidence from the time of America's founding that the Founding Fathers intended it to be collective right. Indeed, Mr. Halbrook contends that there is NO SUCH THING AS A COLLECTIVE RIGHT.
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Nixon hated guns.
Well, he was a Quaker. =)
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/06/dude-even-some-libs-are-dragging-mother-jones-ari-berman-for-this-hot-gun-lobby-take/
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/06/dude-even-some-libs-are-dragging-mother-jones-ari-berman-for-this-hot-gun-lobby-take/
I can't believe that besides the fact it's a gov ID, that none of the comments mentioned that it's relatively a burden to get, with a much more extensive review than any other state ID. I mean, you guys in TX still have to get printed, right?
If it were me, I'd just be making it clear to the knucklehead reporter and every sheep that reads him just how much background checking goes into a CCW. Because I'm pretty sure those people think you get one like you're buying a lottery ticket or something. If any of them had to jump through a tenth the hoops that someone does for a CCW (even in an "easy" state) they would be marching in the streets crying about the unfairness of it all.
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If they keep chipping away at the Bill of Rights they'll need permits to be journalists.
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If they keep chipping away at the Bill of Rights they'll need permits to be journalists.
I'm sure a lot of them would be fine with that. There, after all, ought to be some way of keeping every knuckle-dragging conservative from spreading his facts fake news micro-aggressions from every corner of the internet.
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I can't believe that besides the fact it's a gov ID, that none of the comments mentioned that it's relatively a burden to get, with a much more extensive review than any other state ID. I mean, you guys in TX still have to get printed, right?
If it were me, I'd just be making it clear to the knucklehead reporter and every sheep that reads him just how much background checking goes into a CCW. Because I'm pretty sure those people think you get one like you're buying a lottery ticket or something. If any of them had to jump through a tenth the hoops that someone does for a CCW (even in an "easy" state) they would be marching in the streets crying about the unfairness of it all.
We get printed getting a driver's license. I am pretty sure the same prints and photo I gave at the DMV to get my license renewed were used to renew my LTC the next year.
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I'm sure a lot of them would be fine with that. There, after all, ought to be some way of keeping every knuckle-dragging conservative from spreading his facts fake news micro-aggressions from every corner of the internet.
Actually I've seen several leftists and "journalists" calling for it on the internet. To combat "fake News".
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We get printed getting a driver's license. I am pretty sure the same prints and photo I gave at the DMV to get my license renewed were used to renew my LTC the next year.
Fully printed for the driver's license? In CA it's just the thumb print, or at least it was the last time I had to go in seven or so years ago.
Hey, also, we have to pay to get printed for the CCW, on top of paying for the "ID". That's voter repression!!!!!
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Fully printed for the driver's license? In CA it's just the thumb print, or at least it was the last time I had to go in seven or so years ago.
Hey, also, we have to pay to get printed for the CCW, on top of paying for the "ID". That's voter repression!!!!!
The last time I got my Ohio driver's license, no finger/thumb prints necessary. Now for the CHL, full 10 print and they were run through the Ohio BCI and FBI databases.
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Indeed, Mr. Halbrook contends that there is NO SUCH THING AS A COLLECTIVE RIGHT.
Except in Massachusetts.
Okay, it's not exactly a "collective right," it's an individual right to defend the collective. I've always found it perversely ironic that Massachusetts, the seat of the American Revolution, has a state constitution in which the right to keep and bear arms is limited to the purpose of defending the state. Got an individual problem with a maniacal stalker? Tough noogies.
Article XVII.
The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/Constitution
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Except in Massachusetts.
Okay, it's not exactly a "collective right," it's an individual right to defend the collective. I've always found it perversely ironic that Massachusetts, the seat of the American Revolution, has a state constitution in which the right to keep and bear arms is limited to the purpose of defending the state. Got an individual problem with a maniacal stalker? Tough noogies.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/Constitution
I don't even seeing a collective right in there without a tortured reading. It basically says the people have a right to keep and bear arms, then qualifies for the common defense, which would be any defense by anyone. Especially the way language was used when it was written. The rest of it refers to any military being controlled by the government and is a separate statement from the right of the people.
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Actually I've seen several leftists and "journalists" calling for it on the internet. To combat "fake News".
Yup.
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Now the Broward County Sheriff's Department has set up a fact-checking website. :facepalm: I don't even want to look.
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The least self-aware statement of the month, courtesy Shannon Watts:
The problem with America right now is that people are making gun laws based on emotion, not data.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/07/triple-face-palm-shannon-watts-self-own-may-be-the-funniest-thing-youll-read-all-day/
Also funny is that Watts has been brutally attacking Dana Loesch with tweets, but has blocked Dana, so she never sees the tweets unless someone sends them to her.
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The least self-aware statement of the month, courtesy Shannon Watts:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/07/triple-face-palm-shannon-watts-self-own-may-be-the-funniest-thing-youll-read-all-day/
Also funny is that Watts has been brutally attacking Dana Loesch with tweets, but has blocked Dana, so she never sees the tweets unless someone sends them to her.
I started following Dana Loesch. There are a lot of really nasty tweets directed at her. Her responses have been very measured.
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I don't even seeing a collective right in there without a tortured reading. It basically says the people have a right to keep and bear arms, then qualifies for the common defense, which would be any defense by anyone. Especially the way language was used when it was written.
No, both when it was written and now, "for the common defence" meant (and means) for the defense of the state.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/27997/connecticut-governor-calls-nra-terrorist-hank-berrien
Maybe I'm just one of those Republicans that mistakenly believes that we can win by sticking to facts, instead of telling a good story. Sorry, Andrew Klavan. But I don't understand why those pushing back on the "NRA are terrorists" line don't spend more time pointing out what a terrorist actually is. Terrorists murder innocents to achieve some political, religious, or ideological goal. Since the NRA doesn't do this... =|
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/27997/connecticut-governor-calls-nra-terrorist-hank-berrien
Maybe I'm just one of those Republicans that mistakenly believes that we can win by sticking to facts, instead of telling a good story. Sorry, Andrew Klavan. But I don't understand why those pushing back on the "NRA are terrorists" line don't spend more time pointing out what a terrorist actually is. Terrorists murder innocents to achieve some political, religious, or ideological goal. Since the NRA doesn't do this... =|
Duh, facts are irrelevant. Now do your two minutes hate.
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Wow. So Colin Noir (sidenote - I did not know he's an attorney) is being attacked, apparently for being some kind of unwitting NRA Uncle Tom. Because his name is Noir (black) and thus he is being used by the NRA as a black man whose name is "black". Or something like that - it's very over the edge.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/08/ouchville-colion-noir-takes-gun-grabber-to-the-shed-for-whining-that-his-last-name-means-black/
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"Colion Noir" is a pseudonym, presumably one he chose himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colion_Noir
Colion Noir is the pseudonym of Collins Idehen, a gun rights activist, lawyer, and member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the host of the web series NOIR on the NRA's online video channel NRA Freestyle.
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He was using that name back when he was just another guy on YouTube, so I think it predates his work with the NRA.
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No, both when it was written and now, "for the common defence" meant (and means) for the defense of the state.
No. The common defense of the time was the average person showing up to defend against attacks by Indians(as referred to at the time), the French, Brigands what have you with the arms they possessed. If they intended the common defense to include an organized force by the government they would not have excluded a standing army in the next statement. That "common defense" being a collective was a more modern construction. Those people could not have shown up armed without their own privately owned arms. Now you could argue that many firearms and more specifically crew served weapons(cannons and what not) at the time were collectively owned; but that ignores that arms are not specifically defined as firearms and unfortunately that is something ignored even today with various laws in some places against knives, swords, what have you.
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No. The common defense of the time was the average person showing up to defend against attacks by Indians(as referred to at the time), the French, Brigands what have you with the arms they possessed. If they intended the common defense to include an organized force by the government they would not have excluded a standing army in the next statement. That "common defense" being a collective was a more modern construction. Those people could not have shown up armed without their own privately owned arms. Now you could argue that many firearms and more specifically crew served weapons(cannons and what not) at the time were collectively owned; but that ignores that arms are not specifically defined as firearms and unfortunately that is something ignored even today with various laws in some places against knives, swords, what have you.
There was also privately-owned warships back then, and the Founders were fine with that. That's what Letters of Marque and Reprisal (sp?) were all about, mentioned in Article 1 of the Constitution.
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No, both when it was written and now, "for the common defence" meant (and means) for the defense of the state.
I don't know if this distinction existed at the time, but are you talking about the state, as in the state of Connecticut, New Hampshire, etc.; or the state, as in the government?
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If this thread is going to be a repository for anti-gun FUD, it's going to be longer than that other really long thread, and that right soon.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/constitution-gun-rights-women-rights_us_5a9ef7e0e4b002df2c5e7080?4ie
I would quote it, but it's just full of so much idiocy, dishonesty, and ignorance...
Also, see this article (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gqkxkq/an-incomplete-list-of-people-gun-rights-activists-think-should-be-armed?utm_source=vicetwitterus), about how crazy the NRA is to want women to be armed.
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Looks like FL passed "21 and over" and a three day wait. Doesn't say if that's for all guns or what.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/florida-gov-rick-scott-signs-gun-bill-following-parkland-massacre-in-break-with-nra-allies.html
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Looks like FL passed "21 and over" and a three day wait. Doesn't say if that's for all guns or what.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/florida-gov-rick-scott-signs-gun-bill-following-parkland-massacre-in-break-with-nra-allies.html
That's a shame, and very troubling. Colorado redux.
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^^^And much to my surprise, a similar bill in Washington did not make it out of the Senate. We are banning bump stocks in the state.
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I don't know if this distinction existed at the time, but are you talking about the state, as in the state of Connecticut, New Hampshire, etc.; or the state, as in the government?
It's a state constitution, and a couple of the other 13 original states used the term "defense of the state," so I believe "state" meant "state," not "federal" government and populace. For example, the Pennsylvania state constitution of 1776 included the following for the RKBA:
XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
Note the difference between PA and MA. PA recognizes the RKBA for denese of the the self as well as of the state -- MA recognizes it ONLY for defense of the state.
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It's a state constitution, and a couple of the other 13 original states used the term "defense of the state," so I believe "state" meant "state," not "federal" government and populace. For example, the Pennsylvania state constitution of 1776 included the following for the RKBA:
Note the difference between PA and MA. PA recognizes the RKBA for denese of the the self as well as of the state -- MA recognizes it ONLY for defense of the state.
Common defense = defense of self and state. When I was growing up in MA in the 70’s this is more or less what we were taught in school. No one ever talked about any collective or state only right. At various historic sites where firearms rights were appropriately referenced it was always treated as an individual right. Now granted the militia component was also referenced; that was part of the history with the Minutemen and Lexington and Concord and all.
Even today MA isn’t the most terrible state for gunowners though it’s far from Pennsylvania which arguably is one of the best states. Most of my relatives still live in MA and all have unrestricted carry licenses. Granted they are in more central/western MA not the Boston area.
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Maybe I need to learn more about "Fix NICS", but I thought it was legislation most all pro-gun organizations supported, or at least tolerated. Daniel Defense just came out in support of it and apparently are getting Zumboed.
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/03/10/ouch-gun-manufacturer-supports-fix-nics-bill-and-now-theyre-seeing-a-major-shstorm/
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The biggest issue I have heard with FixNICS is it creates incentives or disincentives for states to report, encouraging them to report even bad information. Yet it does not set up an easier process for getting your name off the prohibited list if it was reported incorrectly. No disincentives for bad reporting. Essentially, the NICS system has (what I hear) 90% plus false positives on rejections. It is thought this new bill will make that even worse.
There may be more, but that is what I have heard. This is mostly from people who are already generally upset with the NRA for caving on bump stocks and not pushing harder on rolling back existing laws.
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FixNICs is probably not as bad as some bills out there. Not as bad as what I have heard is in the wording of the potential ATF bump stock ban at least. From what I have heard, I don't really see it as a positive either.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csud7X6ZixM&t=789s
Iraqiveteran8888 posted a video today talking about Fix NICS in part. He said he is hearing there is a compromise bill getting started that combines FixNICS with some school safety gun control stuff. He also talked a little bit about why he doesn't like FixNICS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cEcf0BY-fg
sooch00 posted a video talking about various bills in Congress also.
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I could not verify, but from the comments it appears this guy turned in his AR-15 while in uniform. I went to the twitter link and read some of his comments there. He does appear to be in the military, and he thinks the founding fathers were "communalists".
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/10/needs-more-foregrips-turning-in-your-ar-15-to-the-police-is-the-new-hotness/
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I would have been a hypocrite if I’d have kept it while railing against the idea of having one. I wanted it destroyed so no one else could use it. It’s a moral and ethical decision. One more people should make.
I made my moral and ethical decision. I decided that, morally and ethically, I should keep my AR-15.
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I made my moral and ethical decision. I decided that, morally and ethically, I should keep my AR-15.
Morally and ethically, anyone who believes they should give up their fundamental human right to own their AR should give it to me. #gunsense
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Shannon Watts triggered by .22 target rifle.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28111/gun-control-activist-posts-tweet-scary-looking-james-barrett
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But it's capable of going full bolt-action!
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Shannon Watts triggered by .22 target rifle.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28111/gun-control-activist-posts-tweet-scary-looking-james-barrett
Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. I remember years ago when they tried bringing up sniper rifles, and they realized it was a bad idea before they got too far.
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Maybe I need to learn more about "Fix NICS", but I thought it was legislation most all pro-gun organizations supported, or at least tolerated. Daniel Defense just came out in support of it and apparently are getting Zumboed.
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/03/10/ouch-gun-manufacturer-supports-fix-nics-bill-and-now-theyre-seeing-a-major-shstorm/
Ben, here is the text of the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2135/text (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2135/text). Look at the sponsors of the bill: Mr. Cornyn (for himself, Mr. Murphy, Mr. Scott, Mr. Blumenthal, Mr. Hatch, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Heller, and Mrs. Shaheen) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
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But it's capable of going full bolt-action!
LOL
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Ben, here is the text of the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2135/text (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2135/text). Look at the sponsors of the bill:
Ah. It appears from this and from what Mech wrote, that the original bill has changed. It must have been part of that "meeting" Trump had where he told people to combine their stuff?
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Heh. It appears that Ted Cruz's opponent thinks that Austin is the entire state of Texas. I'm pretty sure he just guaranteed his loss:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/12/good-luck-with-that-texas-dem-beto-orourke-just-handed-ted-cruz-a-landslide-election-win/
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Heh. It appears that Ted Cruz's opponent thinks that Austin is the entire state of Texas. I'm pretty sure he just guaranteed his loss:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/12/good-luck-with-that-texas-dem-beto-orourke-just-handed-ted-cruz-a-landslide-election-win/
I have unshakable faith in the ability of the Stupid Party©® to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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So kids walking out today don't want gun control, right? =D
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa57.foxnews.com%2Fimages.foxnews.com%2Fcontent%2Ffox-news%2Fus%2F2018%2F03%2F14%2Fnational-school-walkout-students-to-protest-gun-violence-call-for-action-one-month-after-parkland-shooting%2F_jcr_content%2Farticle-text%2Farticle-par-19%2Finline_spotlight_ima%2Fimage.img.jpg%2F612%2F344%2F1521029729045.jpg%3Fve%3D1%26amp%3Btl%3D1&hash=9dbc4478d7c4b030481470ef0a737d16b8bad9e7)
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So kids walking out today don't want gun control, right? =D
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa57.foxnews.com%2Fimages.foxnews.com%2Fcontent%2Ffox-news%2Fus%2F2018%2F03%2F14%2Fnational-school-walkout-students-to-protest-gun-violence-call-for-action-one-month-after-parkland-shooting%2F_jcr_content%2Farticle-text%2Farticle-par-19%2Finline_spotlight_ima%2Fimage.img.jpg%2F612%2F344%2F1521029729045.jpg%3Fve%3D1%26amp%3Btl%3D1&hash=9dbc4478d7c4b030481470ef0a737d16b8bad9e7)
Yes, they aren't to be trusted with guns, but we should all listen to them on what we should do with ours.
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Until Parkland, I doubt any of them had ever thought about gun control or school security for more than a nanosecond. They just assumed they were safe. Now that they know that they weren't as safe as they thought, they're latching onto whatever the talking heads on the telly are saying will make them safe. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights aren't being taught in schools any more, so the constitutional conflict engendered by banning guns isn't something they're even aware of. And kids today don't have the attention span to sit back and consider that. Everyone wants a quick and easy "solution," and they don't have the breadth of life experience to understand that complex problems cannot have simple solutions, or 100% guarantees.
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Until Parkland, I doubt any of them had ever thought about gun control or school security for more than a nanosecond. They just assumed they were safe. Now that they know that they weren't as safe as they thought, they're latching onto whatever the talking heads on the telly are saying will make them safe. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights aren't being taught in schools any more, so the constitutional conflict engendered by banning guns isn't something they're even aware of. And kids today don't have the attention span to sit back and consider that. Everyone wants a quick and easy "solution," and they don't have the breadth of life experience to understand that complex problems cannot have simple solutions, or 100% guarantees.
I don't recall who said it, or wrote it, but someone has pointed out that most people think the scary assault weapons are some kind of specialized gun that only a few people own. They don't understand how ubiquitous they are; how many people own them, and use them for home-defense, etc. They think they can just ban them.
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If I had kids, I'd probably be pretty pissed to find out that their elementary school forced them to march for gun control. A lot of the kids in these pictures look either unhappy or unsure of what is going on. Seems like the kind of thing that requires a consent form.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/14/this-is-pathetic-how-young-is-too-young-to-participate-in-nationalwalkoutday-pics/
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Bernie Sanders attends one of the anti-gun rallies . . . surrounded by armed guards:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/14/lol-look-how-bernie-sanders-kept-safe-at-the-anti-gun-nationalwalkoutday-rally-in-dc/
Hypocrisy much, Bernie?
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If I had kids, I'd probably be pretty pissed to find out that their elementary school forced them to march for gun control. A lot of the kids in these pictures look either unhappy or unsure of what is going on. Seems like the kind of thing that requires a consent form.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/14/this-is-pathetic-how-young-is-too-young-to-participate-in-nationalwalkoutday-pics/
The schools don't seem as if they're trying to hide the fact they're using tax-payer money to endorse a political viewpoint, and to attack a human right enshrined in our constitution and our history.
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Well, surprisingly(!), national walkout day was not about solutions or discussion, just about "we hate guns". What a shocker.
High school kid has sign that says, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." is escorted off school grounds by the principal and threatened with arrest.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/15/watch-student-with-sign-not-conforming-to-lefts-gun-control-narrative-removed-from-nationalwalkoutday-rally/
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Well, surprisingly(!), national walkout day was not about solutions or discussion, just about "we hate guns". What a shocker.
High school kid has sign that says, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." is escorted off school grounds by the principal and threatened with arrest.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/15/watch-student-with-sign-not-conforming-to-lefts-gun-control-narrative-removed-from-nationalwalkoutday-rally/
Free speech as it is now enforced in places controlled by our generous government..... [tinfoil] ...... :facepalm:
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/28271/police-student-carrying-trump-flag-gun-control-james-barrett
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28281/watch-tennessee-students-brawl-tear-down-american-emily-zanotti
I haven't read these. Don't need the aggravation.
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Here is another example of peaceful liberals protesting violence...
http://www.newson6.com/story/37726793/student-arrested-after-fight-over-glenpool-high-walkout (http://www.newson6.com/story/37726793/student-arrested-after-fight-over-glenpool-high-walkout)
Read the comments if available. classic libtard response, "if the victim had just kept his mouth shut he wouldn't have gotten hurt".
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Interesting:
Obama's DOJ forced the deletion of 500,000 fugitives from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)
https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2018/03/15/um-this-testimony-is-gonna-be-a-problem-for-those-blaming-the-gop-and-nra-for-all-gun-violence-ever/
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More people who want to take all your guns.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/15/finally-blue-checked-prog-admits-what-weve-always-known-about-gun-control/
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https://ijr.com/2018/03/1076385-ohio-student-suspended-refusing-to-leave-classroom/
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https://ijr.com/2018/03/1076385-ohio-student-suspended-refusing-to-leave-classroom/
So was he supposed to go to some other room, with the other non-participating students, or was he being dragooned into the child soldier army of darkness?
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So was he supposed to go to some other room, with the other non-participating students, or was he being dragooned into the child soldier army of darkness?
Yes, those were his 2 choices, and he chose neither (a form of protest in itself.) Where was the teacher who was supposed to be in his class, or where was the substitute teacher?
Kid is not blameless here, but he should wear his suspension as a badge of honor. His protests ("I'm supposed to be in class, so that's where I am going") is being punished and the other protesters, who BTW are truants, are not. First and 14th Amendment violations. Rather than sue the school, just take the punishment (it's a suspension, not an expulsion) and claim the moral high ground.
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Yes, those were his 2 choices, and he chose neither (a form of protest in itself.) Where was the teacher who was supposed to be in his class, or where was the substitute teacher?
Kid is not blameless here, but he should wear his suspension as a badge of honor. His protests ("I'm supposed to be in class, so that's where I am going") is being punished and the other protesters, who BTW are truants, are not. First and 14th Amendment violations. Rather than sue the school, just take the punishment (it's a suspension, not an expulsion) and claim the moral high ground.
Agreed. Then right his college entry essays on how it feels to be persecuted for taking a moral stand. (leave out which stand it was, depending on the college.)
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Scroll to bottom. This was news to me. The Parkland shooter only used ten round magazines?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/17/oh-deer-tim-kaine-gets-badly-burned-by-his-own-2nd-amendment-hot-take/
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Scroll to bottom. This was news to me. The Parkland shooter only used ten round magazines?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/17/oh-deer-tim-kaine-gets-badly-burned-by-his-own-2nd-amendment-hot-take/
Another source that leftys won't dismiss as pure propaganda:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article202486304.html
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Another source that leftys won't dismiss as pure propaganda:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article202486304.html
Cruz went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag, Book said.
Huh?
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I've been ambivalent at best about open carry protests or demonstrations, especially the Chipotle tard-variety.
However, I'm NOW seeing where it would actually do some, if not a LOT of good.
Instead of doing open carry marches at random public places, or around state capitals, they should be held outside the offices/studios of MSM outlets, anti-gun .orgs, and schools/universities. I'm thinking back to when pro-RKBA .orgs and people started publicly posting the addresses and info of newspaper editors, when they got on the bandwagon of publishing concealed carry license holders, and how all of them eventually backed down, retreated, or caved.
There's an analogy from police work when confronting someone, that there's a continuum or progression of "Ask", then "Tell", then "Make". An open carry march in the face of the grassroots for anti-RKBA would be a CLEAR sign that the pro-RKBA side is escalating, and upping the ante from "Ask" to "Tell". And it leaves unspoken that white-collar Lefty types are almost all universally unequipped, mentally, or physically to handle it if things ever get to the "Make" stage.
Lets be honest with ourselves, we always bend over backward to deny this, but whenever our side makes a public demonstration over gun rights, there's an implied threat. Instead of denying the obvious... use it.
Every time they all pipe up and clamor for gun control or bans, imagine if we brought the fear and discomfort of an OC march or protest straight to the SOURCE. Forget about the politicians and the government. They already know what we think based on how we vote. It's the MSM and Academia that makes the politicians forget how we voted, and does so by creating a false consensus through substituting the volume of the anti-gun arguments for actual substance or backing.
Will the MSM and Academia scream bloody murder, probably throwing around statements about the First Amendment? Of course. However, if you're smart, you understand the notion of "no such thing as bad press", and how it opens up the debate in ways that are very easy for us to counter. "The founders never foresaw radio, TV, or the Internet" etc. And of course, it's reasonable to assume that looking at the last election, 50% +/- of the American public hates the MSM and does not trust them anyway.
If and yes, it's a big IF, because getting anything done in terms of protest or civil disobedience on the Libertarian/Right side of things is like herding cats, but if we could CONSISTENTLY open carry march on TV stations, newspapers, schools, or anti-gun .orgs, they'd eventually clam up, and while the Left never gives up, they can and will redirect their efforts onto other things.
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AJ,
You're saying they'd shut up, because they'd be afraid of us?
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AJ,
You're saying they'd shut up, because they'd be afraid of us?
Of course, they'll up the ante at first, scream bloody murder, and push back in whatever way they can, but if it was consistent, and nationwide, then yes, they'd eventually shut up out of fear, or at least out of frustration. Either would be acceptable.
And while the anti-RKBA movement is full of well-meaning idiots at the lower rungs who merely wring their hands "for the children" (sniff)... the middle managment and leadership of these groups and movements certainly are after RKBA because of US, and not the individual atrocity they're citing. And if you look back, any of the large sweeping gun control movements that actually got passed into law where because the government, state or federal was AFRAID of the people.
Jim Crow/Antebellum Reconstruction gun laws. - Afraid of free blacks and what they might do with guns.
NFA '34. - Was it REALLY over prohibition and the mob? No. The much larger concern was the Great Depression, and labor union strife.
GCA '68. - That was obvious, MLK, JFK, RFK etc. were flashpoints, but the much larger worry was that "the nuts" were among the populace at large. And all the other riots, Detroit, Watts, DNC convo in Chicago added to it too.
AWB '94. - Terrified of the militia movement.
It has ALWAYS been about disarming US en-masse, it has never really been about "crime" other than as window dressing and misdirection. The people who are against us at the top aren't stupid, they know full well a nutball kid could do more damage (and much more horrific for the survivors) with a bucket of gasoline and a road flare. And they know what happened to alcohol in Prohibition. It simply went underground, and became a valuable commodity worth killing over. They know guns won't be any different. And they know as well as we do that a criminal willing to commit murder does not care if his gun is illegal.
So it's always been US that scares them. They can't come right out and say that, or they lose elections and get spanked like they did in '94, but we all know what it actually is.
We saw the first signs of giving up out of frustration rhetoric from the anti's in editorials after Sandy Hook. I don't want to be crass, but in the American collective-subconscious mass-shooting carnage-o-meter, grade school kids are like a "10", while high schools or colleges are more like a "5". As long as the number of victims is in the double digits, their ages and demographics tug at everyone's heart strings more than the actual body count IMO. In that sense, the Parkland Shooting reaction is much more astroturf, and is really only having it's volume cranked up to eleven because Trump is in office. And unfortunately, as the MSM and the Left often does, they manage to substitute their noise level for actual grass-roots support, to the point even RINO politicians will fall for it.
The tit-for-tat against the newspapers printing CCW databases I cite above is a perfect example. When our side actually gins up a bit of Honeybadger attitude, and actually goes after them (within the confines of the law) in a way that hurts, they fold like a cheap suit.
It certainly wouldn't be a "one and done" thing, and our side would need some serious organization to pull it off. Do what we can to filter out false-flag agents provocateur and push the fat bubba neckbeard with the Tapcofarked SKS who was either too stupid or stubborn to get the memo of "Dress Business Casual" to the far back, and keep him away from any press that actually have the balls to come out for some soundbites. Probably would have to pass out security lanyards with difficult to fake badges or papers in them. And deny them to anybody who hasn't been vouched for, attended the pre-protest seminar, and/or shows up not following the dress code. Then make it clear if you don't have a badge, we'll tell law enforcement (who most assuredly will be there) that so-n-so is not with us, and we're concerned they're an agitator, and might do something.
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http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2018/03/gun_group_says_it_will_sue_school_after_students_a.html
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http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2018/03/gun_group_says_it_will_sue_school_after_students_a.html
This kind of thing is going to drive every actual American out of the deep blue states, isn't it?
But, "gun duffel bag"? Is that the kind of duffel bag that's too small to hold "high-capacity" magazines?
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They are stepping on a lot more then just their 2A rights. The school has decided that none of the students can join the cub scouts or boy scouts if they have rifle teams like most around here do. The students can't join any shooting sports teams. Or even attend a gun safety class.
They should go down hard in court but this is NJ.
jim
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They are stepping on a lot more then just their 2A rights. The school has decided that none of the students can join the cub scouts or boy scouts if they have rifle teams like most around here do. The students can't join any shooting sports teams. Or even attend a gun safety class.
They should go down hard in court but this is NJ.
jim
....maybe federal court then.
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How to make a leftists head explode, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/03/18/schools-shouldnt-arm-staff-because-theyre-full-of-lady-teachers-alabama-lawmaker-says/?utm_term=.9c41f71b858c
:rofl:
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People from the places Hillary won visit places where she didn't:
You can’t tell me that any kind of background check is being done when you can buy a gun in a convenience store. Convenient for what? Robbing the store itself? How moronic is this?
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/19/omg-theyre-out-of-rollos-gun-grabbers-go-batsht-over-pic-of-alabama-gas-station-hint-guns/
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People from the places Hillary won visit places where she didn't:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/19/omg-theyre-out-of-rollos-gun-grabbers-go-batsht-over-pic-of-alabama-gas-station-hint-guns/
The gas station loophole!! :O
Twitter commentary:
@MJBALCH69
Their customers think the Civil War has just been on pause for 150 years.
No, I'm pretty sure that would describe the people who are triggered by statues and Confederate flags.
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Here's a perfect example of why the liberal gun haters have created the very problem they moan about. They won't allow "commonsense" firearms education in schools ... so a 9-year old kid grabbed a pistol and shot his 13-year old sister in the head because she wouldn't let him have the video controller.
https://www.wcbi.com/breaking-13-year-old-girl-dies-9-year-old-brother-allegedly-shot-head/
When I was a kid, there were unsecured firearms in my grandparents' house and all the extended family in my parents' generation had firearms. NOBODY ever thought about grabbing a gun to settle a dispute over who got to play with a favorite toy. By the age of nine we had already learned how to shoot, and we had learned the guns can kill, so we didn't fool around with guns.
The grabbers will, of course, blame this incident on the gun. They won't allow consideration of failed parenting, that led a 9-year old to believe the enacting violence on his sister was an acceptable dispute resolution tactic. They won't allow consideration of the fact that a 9-year old should have been taught that life isn't the movies and that shooting other people is not the way to settle an argument. They won't allow consideration of the fact that youth today are growing up to believe that violence is the first resort to settling disputes, and that guns are nothing more than a tool used in the perpetration of the violence rather than the cause of the violence.
Idjits.
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In addition, Hawkmoon, they won't acknowledge that intentional and accidental shootings are both trending down.
Also, this!
https://twitter.com/andyrutledge/status/975162538001354753/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsamj-3930%2F2018%2F03%2F19%2Fthe-power-of-stupid-compels-them-racist-twerps-at-everytown-just-hit-another-home-run-photo%2F
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Agreed. Then right his college entry essays on how it feels to be persecuted for taking a moral stand. (leave out which stand it was, depending on the college.)
I was reading comments about this last night on a news site. Someone compared him to Rosa Parks -- both refused to give up their seat. I wish I'd thought of that :D Heads were exploding.
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In addition, Hawkmoon, they won't acknowledge that intentional and accidental shootings are both trending down.
Also, this!
https://twitter.com/andyrutledge/status/975162538001354753/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsamj-3930%2F2018%2F03%2F19%2Fthe-power-of-stupid-compels-them-racist-twerps-at-everytown-just-hit-another-home-run-photo%2F
I guess that is one example of a built in safety mechanism. If you are too stupid to properly load the magazines, the gun won't fire.
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Also, this!
https://twitter.com/andyrutledge/status/975162538001354753/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsamj-3930%2F2018%2F03%2F19%2Fthe-power-of-stupid-compels-them-racist-twerps-at-everytown-just-hit-another-home-run-photo%2F
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYh5HaeVQAAovff.jpg)
Another H&K ad?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYh5HaeVQAAovff.jpg)
Another H&K ad?
Glock Perfection
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Glock Perfection
Glock noitcefreP
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It's ripe for a demotivator meme, of course. One caption I was thinking of was along the lines of "Glock Perfection May Not Extend to the Operator." Needs some tweaking, though.
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https://nypost.com/2018/03/19/congressman-suggests-second-amendment-as-means-of-opposing-trump/
:facepalm:
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Can you imagine the utter shitstorm that would have rained down on any conservative politician that had made that suggestion about Obama?
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The Left only has double standards.
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The Left only has double standards.
Be happy with THAT, cause if they didn't have double standards they have no standards. [popcorn] >:D
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Be happy with THAT, cause if they didn't have double standards they'd have no standards. [popcorn] >:D
:rofl:
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https://nypost.com/2018/03/19/congressman-suggests-second-amendment-as-means-of-opposing-trump/
:facepalm:
But the Suozzi campaign at the same time seemed to double down on the comments, as they forwarded a line penned by Thomas Jefferson that called for armed resistance.
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms,” the quote said.
Suozzi’s comment seems to conflict with his recent push for gun control following the Parkland, Florida, school shooting.
Suozzi even participated in the March 14 student walkout for gun control outside the US Capitol — and called on the young people of his district to back tightened gun laws.
Goodness me! A liberal gun grabber engaging in hypocrisy. What's this world coming to, anyway?
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Remember how some people turned their rifles into illegal SBRs following the shooting? So far it appears the ATF doesn't care, https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/local/article_3f9ca756-26de-11e8-85cd-8bf636d46afc.html
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Remember how some people turned their rifles into illegal SBRs following the shooting? So far it appears the ATF doesn't care, https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/local/article_3f9ca756-26de-11e8-85cd-8bf636d46afc.html
I didn't know intent was a factor.
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Remember how some people turned their rifles into illegal SBRs following the shooting? So far it appears the ATF doesn't care, https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/local/article_3f9ca756-26de-11e8-85cd-8bf636d46afc.html
Hmmm ...
Adam Gershowitz, a College of William & Mary law school professor who specializes in criminal law, said Mallard’s cutting off most of the barrel of the gun doesn’t mean she committed a crime. Prosecutors would be required to show she intended to create an unlawful weapon when she cut it, he said.
Different rules for politicians (and those who aspire to become politicians), it seems. This sounds suspiciously like a well-known statement to the effect that Hillary Clinton shouldn't be prosecuted for unlawfully transmitting classified material by e-mail because she didn't "intend" to violate the law.
How did that work out for Randy Weaver?
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Hmmm ...
Different rules for politicians (and those who aspire to become politicians), it seems. This sounds suspiciously like a well-known statement to the effect that Hillary Clinton shouldn't be prosecuted for unlawfully transmitting classified material by e-mail because she didn't "intend" to violate the law.
How did that work out for Randy Weaver?
So if I cut down a rifle so it would fit in a particular case or place and I said I didn't know about those obscure laws would I be able to get off? I really didn't have intent. ;)
I don't think I will try, I know what happened to Randy Weaver, he is a semi-local guy.
bob
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^^^I wonder whatever happened to Mr. Weaver?
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^^^I wonder whatever happened to Mr. Weaver?
I don't think he is around here anymore. He used to hit the gun show circuit for a while. Last year (2017) was the 25th anniversary of Ruby Ridge and it was all over the news and in the newspapers as a retrospective look at things.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/aug/20/shawn-vestal-tremors-of-ruby-ridge-in-todays-natio/
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/feb/12/journalist-was-eyewitness-to-tragedy-nightmare-of-/#/0
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/feb/12/return-to-ruby-ridge-american-experience-returns-t/
I think his daughter Sara still lives around here though. I think she hit the local gun show last year to talk about the standoff.
bob
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Old and busted: "Hey, YOU BLOODTHIRSTY GUN NUTS HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS FOR INSISTING ON YOUR CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHTS! YOU JUST WANT MORE DEAD CHILDREN FOR THE GUN $$$$$"
New hotness: "Clear backpacks are embarrassing and how DARE you infringe on our RIGHT TO PRIVACY!"
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/23/hmm-david-hogg-doesnt-want-students-constitutional-right-to-carry-non-clear-backpacks-infringed-upon/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget
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Since when do public school students have a right to privacy?
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Since when do public school students have a right to privacy?
HOW DARE YOU! IT'S MY RIGHT! RIGHT THERE IN THE PENUMBRAS AND EMANATIONS OF AMENDMNENT FOURTuuuhhh FOUuhhh (mumblemumblemumble).. HAVE YOU NO DECENCY?!!
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I hate to be one of those "I walked 10 miles to school in the snow barefoot" guys, but I'm curious on this whole backpack thing.
In elementary school, we just carried our books and binders under our arms and I walked a mile to school like that.
In Junior High, we carried the books and binders we needed under our arms, and the rest were kept in our lockers, swapped out between periods.
High School was the same as Junior High, though instead of the bus, I rode my bike and my homework stuff went on the bike rack. At least till senior year when I had a car.
Do they not put lockers in schools anymore? For Junior High and higher, I can then understand the need for backpacks. Seems like these days, kids would also have fewer books than I did, and laptops/tablets don't weigh much, at least compared to a 1970s math book.
Otherwise, fine, carry a backpack - it's a lot easier than carrying books under your arm, but as mentioned above, at what point did school kids get privacy? I remember any teacher at any time for any reason could open my locker at school if they wanted to. At least with a clear backpack, the bullies aren't knocking the three books and a binder you're carrying under your arm onto the ground every other day. Certainly there can be some very personal privacy issues - feminine products, meds, etc. They likely need to come up with a solution to that, or else just leave both guns and backpacks alone.
Also, yeah, this Hogg kid suddenly is concerned with rights when a restriction affects him? He has become the poster boy for the progressive agenda of "We're taking your rights, don't touch ours!" His freakin' 15 minutes expired like two weeks ago. I can only imagine the kind of crap that will come out of this weekend.
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I'll agree with Hogg on this. I don't like the clear backpacks idea (or the clear bags rule at sporting events). I don't like training our kids to be more and more accepting of and comfortable with the culture of surveillance, lack of privacy, and so forth. Yes, I get it is school, and yes, I realize schools are already frighteningly similar to prisons, but that doesn't mean I support moving further in that direction.
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School is slowly turning into prison for kids and they might get some education out of it. Wait until they suggest housing them in dormitories so they don't have to actually leave the school grounds. Most of them are from broken families anyway and we are already feeding them multiple meals a day so why do they need to go home? ;/
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Watching old movies or TV shoes kids used to use bookstraps to keep all their things together.
Why not go back to using those?
http://mentalfloss.com/article/68513/15-forgotten-school-supplies-we-should-bring-back (#5)
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Watching old movies or TV shoes kids used to use bookstraps to keep all their things together.
Why not go back to using those?
Because then we'd have to teach them how to use them, and that would use up half the academic year.
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I remember after Columbine our school temporarily banned backpacks, so I through all my things in a black garbage bag and dragged that from class to class. :angel:
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Looking at the coverage of the March for AstroTurf and man. If you hate Trump, why give him this midterm gift? Any chance of a rational platform from the left( I know, I know, stop laughing) is done.
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I didn't really keep tabs on "the march" since I knew the misinformation would make my blood boil, but this link popped up in my newsfeed. AFAIK it has been made clear that the Parkland shooter used 10 round magazines, yet here we have "we were there" people stating that "high capacity" magazines played a "huge" role at Parkland.
Why we can't let "we were there" be a guiding force in this nonsense.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/parkland-students-manifesto-americas-gun-laws
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This was supposedly seen at one of today's events:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZGPavBVwAAhgCZ.jpg)
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I didn't really keep tabs on "the march" since I knew the misinformation would make my blood boil, but this link popped up in my newsfeed. AFAIK it has been made clear that the Parkland shooter used 10 round magazines, yet here we have "we were there" people stating that "high capacity" magazines played a "huge" role at Parkland.
Why we can't let "we were there" be a guiding force in this nonsense.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/parkland-students-manifesto-americas-gun-laws
Oh, dear Lord!
Civilians shouldn’t have access to the same weapons that soldiers do. That’s a gross misuse of the second amendment.
Wrong! First, regardless of the velocity of the projectile, semi-automatic rifles are NOT the same weapons that soldiers have. Second, arming civilians with exactly the same weaponry that the military has IS exactly what the Second Amendment is all about.
We believe that there should be a database recording which guns are sold in the United States, to whom, and of what caliber and capacity they are.
Just ... no.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention should be allowed to conduct research on the dangers of gun violence. The fact that they are currently prohibited from doing so undermines the first amendment. It also violates the rights of the American people.
Guns are not a disease. The CDC has no business mucking around with gun control, and especially not making recommendations regarding gun control.
n a few months from now, many of us will be turning 18. We will not be able to drink; we will not be able to rent a car. Most of us will still be living with our parents. We will not be able to purchase a handgun. And yet, we will be able to purchase an AR-15.
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With the exception of those who are serving the United States in the military, the age to obtain any firearm must be raised to 21.
No, no, no. If you want to raise the age for buying firearms to 21, then you must believe that people younger than 21 are too immature to possess firearms. That means if you want to raise the age for buying firearms to 21, you must also raise the age for enlisting in the military to 21.
We believe that schools should be given sufficient funds for school security and resource officers to protect and secure the entire campus. As a school of over 3,000 students, teachers and faculty, Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school was only supplied funds to hire one on-campus armed resource officer by the state.
Wait ... I'm quite certain I read an article this morning saying the students at Parkland were complaining that there are now too many police protecting their school, and that it feels like a prison. Make up your minds, muchachos.
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I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but caught an interview with a Campusreform.com guy where they interviewed random student protestors asking them what an assault weapon was. While these kinds of interviews are often edited to make the kids look stupider what they are, there was one telling theme: A large number of the kids that couldn't define an assault weapon just gave up and said, "I really just want all guns banned".
Yet gun owners are being "unreasonable" by expecting people to know basic firearms terms, specifically so we don't have to deal with "just ban everything".
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But it's obviously easier to just ban everything, then the little darlings don't have to waste any brain cells trying to think.
I find it telling that through all this furor about banning guns as THE answer to school security, the fact that a week after Parkland a kid in Utah tried to blow up his school with a backpack bomb is never mentioned.
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Funny how the NAACP never defends Colion Noir when he's attacked. Also interesting that after all this time, Twitter hasn't given him the "coveted blue checkmark".
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/25/like-a-boss-colion-noir-takes-on-horde-of-frothy-gun-grabbing-blue-checks-who-cant-deal-with-his-truth/
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But it's obviously easier to just ban everything, then the little darlings don't have to waste any brain cells trying to think.
I find it telling that through all this furor about banning guns as THE answer to school security, the fact that a week after Parkland a kid in Utah tried to blow up his school with a backpack bomb is never mentioned.
Poor little Boss Hogg Jr. down in Florida is upset about the new requirements for clear backpacks for his little tide pod eating buddies. Something about infringing on their rights...
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I had a very strange thought the other night, almost all of the kids from the school in Parkland who are being the face and voice of this "movement" to ban guns are around 16-18 or most likely Juniors and Seniors. The building where the shooting took place was the 1200 building, the freshman building. It is a separate building away from the main buildings on campus. While the ones spearheading this drive may have been on campus, unless they were physically in the 1200 building I am a little hesitant to call them "survivors". The ones in the building being shot at are the real survivors. The rest were unfortunate participants IMO, not survivors, especially when you are in another building several hundred feet away. Kind of like being at the bank ATM in the parking lot when someone walks inside to rob it, yes you were there, but not really *there*. Just a random thought I had the other day. Yes I am sure those kids were scared, but where are the freshmen students who were in that building, why haven't they become the face of this "movement"?
https://latimeshighschool.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/screen-shot-2018-02-14-at-5-35-16-pm.png?w=584&h=379
bob
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So, 800,000 or 200,000? Because that's kind of a difference.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/25/oopsie-seems-media-may-have-inflated-marchforourlives-numbers-a-teensy-bit-by-over-half-a-million/
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So, 800,000 or 200,000? Because that's kind of a difference.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/25/oopsie-seems-media-may-have-inflated-marchforourlives-numbers-a-teensy-bit-by-over-half-a-million/
The narrative going in was up to 500k expected. Now if trumpy bear missed numbers by that much it would be yuge news. I also like how Delta et. al were bending over backwards to help this. Was the metro free? How many people got comps to go?
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I had a very strange thought the other night, almost all of the kids from the school in Parkland who are being the face and voice of this "movement" to ban guns are around 16-18 or most likely Juniors and Seniors. The building where the shooting took place was the 1200 building, the freshman building. It is a separate building away from the main buildings on campus. While the ones spearheading this drive may have been on campus, unless they were physically in the 1200 building I am a little hesitant to call them "survivors". The ones in the building being shot at are the real survivors. The rest were unfortunate participants IMO, not survivors, especially when you are in another building several hundred feet away. Kind of like being at the bank ATM in the parking lot when someone walks inside to rob it, yes you were there, but not really *there*.
I agree, to a point, but I'll go farther -- and I've made this point before. If they were in a different building, they are not "survivors," because they didn't "survive" anything. To survive something, you have to experience it. As you point out, they are no more survivors than people in a McDonald's are "survivors" in the bank across the street is robbed. As far as I'm concerned, they weren't even there.
Like two airplanes flying in tandem. If one crashes, is the pilot of the other plane a survivor? He was there -- sort of -- but he didn't go through the experience of crashing a plane.
I'm not even prepared to label kids on floors of the 1200 building where no shots were fired as survivors.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/28654/watch-gun-control-activist-gives-perfect-reason-ryan-saavedra
"When they give us that inch - that bump-stock ban - we will take a mile."
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Whether or not every Parkland student is really a survirvor, I doubt it's in our best interest to keep talking about it. Just another example they can use of us being mean. Or, they'll twist into a crisis actor conspiracy theory.
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So, 800,000 or 200,000? Because that's kind of a difference.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/25/oopsie-seems-media-may-have-inflated-marchforourlives-numbers-a-teensy-bit-by-over-half-a-million/
They left enough trash for 800,000
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28680/gross-march-our-lives-left-lot-trash-washington-emily-zanotti
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J.R. Salzman kinda takes this guy to the back of the woodshed:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/26/ouch-wounded-warrior-j-r-salzman-soundly-shreds-billy-badass-gun-control-tweet-pics/
I guess you can argue whether giving a military member on either side of this debate more credence than a civilian is good or bad, but I do have to say I'm sick to death of the military and former military guys going off on how AR-15s are "weapons of war" and if you want to shoot one, you should join the military. I've been hearing it a lot from jackasses like Ralph Peters on Fox, and Salzman has it right with half these guys not knowing one end of the rifle from another, but people calling them "experts" simply because they wear or wore ACUs.
Attempting to pass off an M4 as an AR15 deserves the spanking this dumbass got.
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So one of the Parkland kids is now "the same as Joan of Arc".
Part of me actually feels a little sorry for these kids, because the media is sending them up in a balloon at supersonic speed. Soon all this will be over, and five years from now some of these kids will be in the gutter from not being able to handle the psychological shock of going from artificial supernova back to plain old Earth. I also saw people are asking if the Hogg kid has "presidential aspirations".
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/26/oh-ffs-the-new-yorker-just-jumped-the-shark-with-this-ridiculous-profile-of-emma-gonzalez/
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J.R. Salzman kinda takes this guy to the back of the woodshed:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/26/ouch-wounded-warrior-j-r-salzman-soundly-shreds-billy-badass-gun-control-tweet-pics/
I guess you can argue whether giving a military member on either side of this debate more credence than a civilian is good or bad, but I do have to say I'm sick to death of the military and former military guys going off on how AR-15s are "weapons of war" and if you want to shoot one, you should join the military. I've been hearing it a lot from jackasses like Ralph Peters on Fox, and Salzman has it right with half these guys not knowing one end of the rifle from another, but people calling them "experts" simply because they wear or wore ACUs.
Attempting to pass off an M4 as an AR15 deserves the spanking this dumbass got.
He should have debated the issue. Bringing up the guy's pogue status just makes Salzman sound like the one trying to look like a tough guy. Besides, Salzman sounds silly making the argument that the guy is not an expert because of the equipment he was issued. I get what he's trying to say, but it seems pretty week to me.
Of course, when I was in the infantry, we had M16A2s, and iron sights. =) Maybe I'm biased.
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But it's obviously easier to just ban everything, then the little darlings don't have to waste any brain cells trying to think.
I find it telling that through all this furor about banning guns as THE answer to school security, the fact that a week after Parkland a kid in Utah tried to blow up his school with a backpack bomb is never mentioned.
Was he wearing a clear backpack? [tinfoil]
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Apparently, young Mr. Hogg was not at school during the shooting:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-for-our-lives-39-days-how-parkland-students-turned-grief-into-action/
DAVID HOGG: On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and road as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting.
Or maybe he was:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43069670
It was 14:30 when David Hogg heard the first shot.
The 17-year-old was in environmental science class at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Florida. The teacher had just passed out worksheets.
When he heard the bang, his classmates turned to each other. That sounded like a gun, they said.
The teacher closed the door. Within seconds, the fire alarm went off.
"We instinctively walked outside," says David. "We thought it was a drill."
Is David Hogg Schrodinger's Cat? He both was and wasn't there?
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Apparently, young Mr. Hogg was not at school during the shooting:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-for-our-lives-39-days-how-parkland-students-turned-grief-into-action/
Or maybe he was:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43069670
Is David Hogg Schrodinger's Cat? He both was and wasn't there?
The Gateway Pundit questioned his story a couple of weeks ago, and were accused of spreading a crisis actor theory. As far as I can tell, they didn't actually do that, but I think they did link to a video that did. The video's been pulled, so I'm not sure what the real story is. I don't find them to be a particularly credible source, but...
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BAN THE
GUNS BULLETS!
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-florida-school-shooting-wasserman-schultz-legislation-20180323-story.html
Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, possible hoping to reestablish relevance, now wants universal background checks for buying bullets (I think she means cartridges, i.e. ammunition, but the devil is in the details). I think her understanding of the Constitution is severely flawed.
“You do not have the right to bear bullets,” Wasserman Schultz said at a news conference at the Pembroke Pines Police Department, where she was joined by political leaders, a police representative and teachers and students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
So I guess dear Debbie thinks the Second Amendment only guarantees us a right to walk around with empty guns. Got it.
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BAN THE GUNS BULLETS!
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-florida-school-shooting-wasserman-schultz-legislation-20180323-story.html
Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, possible hoping to reestablish relevance, now wants universal background checks for buying bullets (I think she means cartridges, i.e. ammunition, but the devil is in the details). I think her understanding of the Constitution is severely flawed.
So I guess dear Debbie thinks the Second Amendment only guarantees us a right to walk around with empty guns. Got it.
This ain't goin' anywhere. I wish Debbie would go somehere. :angel:
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Apparently, young Mr. Hogg was not at school during the shooting:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-for-our-lives-39-days-how-parkland-students-turned-grief-into-action/
Or maybe he was:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43069670
Is David Hogg Schrodinger's Cat? He both was and wasn't there?
https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/03/26/new-video-casts-doubt-whether-david-hogg-school-day-shooting/
After reviewing all of this, it appears that the problem was that CBS included a very confusing quote without context. Hogg was on campus during the shooting and returned several hours later to interview people across the street.
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So, Hogg was on campus, but was he near the shooting? Or was he in a different building?
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Hogg was under-campus. The Rothschilds have a subterranean facility at the school, where they teach children the intricacies of weather control, mind control, and possibly also gun control.
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So, Hogg was on campus, but was he near the shooting? Or was he in a different building?
I would bet a different building. The building where the shooting occurred was the Freshman building, a separate building away from the the main campus buildings. Just a guess though based on the fact he is not a Freshman.
bob
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So, Hogg was on campus, but was he near the shooting? Or was he in a different building?
No one has answered (or asked the teenage activists) that question.
My understanding is that this school had multiple buildings generally separating the upper classmen from the lower classmen, and the murderer attacked the lower classmen building.
Given that over half of the victims were aged 14 or 15, that seems to be the case.
Now, some of the victims were 17 or 18, so at least some older students were in that building, so my conclusion is- I have no idea where these activists were.
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Hogg was under-campus. The Rothschilds have a subterranean facility at the school, where they teach children the intricacies of weather control, mind control, and possibly also gun control.
I knew it!!
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https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/03/26/new-video-casts-doubt-whether-david-hogg-school-day-shooting/
After reviewing all of this, it appears that the problem was that CBS included a very confusing quote without context. Hogg was on campus during the shooting and returned several hours later to interview people across the street.
Just can't trust the MSM.
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Nope, not The Onion:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/31/scorching-hot-take-whites-invented-guns-to-kill-from-a-distance-because-theyre-most-cowardly-race/
I feel bad for her that the British public education system failed her so horribly.
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Nope, not The Onion:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/31/scorching-hot-take-whites-invented-guns-to-kill-from-a-distance-because-theyre-most-cowardly-race/
I feel bad for her that the British public education system failed her so horribly.
She should be the poster girl for anti-gun ignorance. Un effing believable how stupid that concept is !
Well, she got trounced pretty good.
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Nope, not The Onion:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/31/scorching-hot-take-whites-invented-guns-to-kill-from-a-distance-because-theyre-most-cowardly-race/
I feel bad for her that the British public education system failed her so horribly.
Wow.
I guess it could be really bad satire, but it is amazing how some people can make their own group look worse in more than one way when they are trying to put down another.
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Nope, not The Onion:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/31/scorching-hot-take-whites-invented-guns-to-kill-from-a-distance-because-theyre-most-cowardly-race/
I feel bad for her that the British public education system failed her so horribly.
I believe I predicted this "take" in another thread. Nothing to it, really. They've been telling us for a while now that we only like guns because they soothe our insecurities about minorities and women challenging our once-privileged position. This is just the same identitarian smear, writ large.
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I believe I predicted this "take" in another thread. Nothing to it, really. They've been telling us for a while now that we only like guns because they soothe our insecurities about minorities and women challenging our once-privileged position. This is just the same identitarian smear, writ large.
Orwell was a prophet on how the left would manipulate language to smear and control.
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Just when I think I've seen every sick thing they could possibly say, they come up with something moar stupider.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/04/12/vile-dana-loesch-whoops-gun-grabber-so-badly-with-just-1-word-it-deletes-the-tweet-we-got-it/
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Just when I think I've seen every sick thing they could possibly say, they come up with something moar stupider.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/04/12/vile-dana-loesch-whoops-gun-grabber-so-badly-with-just-1-word-it-deletes-the-tweet-we-got-it/
Others have noted, this is projection. Most leftists (especially the white, male ones) have a very low view of the intellect of minorities and women, and therefore believe the right just props them up to parrot whatever the right wants them to say.
EVERY minority or woman on the right is a "token" to them. ESPECIALLY if they are "articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking."
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Others have noted, this is projection. Most leftists (especially the white, male ones) have a very low view of the intellect of minorities and women, and therefore believe the right just props them up to parrot whatever the right wants them to say.
EVERY minority or woman on the right is a "token" to them. ESPECIALLY if they are "articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking."
The more I see of this stuff, the more I think many of these people have a lot of personal demons close to the surface and they assume everyone else is the same and barely keeps themselves in check also.
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Just when I think I've seen every sick thing they could possibly say, they come up with something moar stupider.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/04/12/vile-dana-loesch-whoops-gun-grabber-so-badly-with-just-1-word-it-deletes-the-tweet-we-got-it/
I started following Dana Loesch on twitter. She replies "God Bless" or something simple to a lot of the nasty comments. There are quite a few I have seen because she replied. Most of them don't directly threaten her, but often they wish bad things on her or her family. A lot of people seem to have no problem posting nasty comments on the internet.
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I started following Dana Loesch on twitter. She replies "God Bless" or something simple to a lot of the nasty comments. There are quite a few I have seen because she replied. Most of them don't directly threaten her, but often they wish bad things on her or her family. A lot of people seem to have no problem posting nasty comments on the internet.
It provides an illusion of anonymity.
Which I guess is why people post gobs of personal info on facebook or Google whatever then get upset when their info is found all over the net.
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I started following Dana Loesch on twitter. She replies "God Bless" or something simple to a lot of the nasty comments. There are quite a few I have seen because she replied. Most of them don't directly threaten her, but often they wish bad things on her or her family. A lot of people seem to have no problem posting nasty comments on the internet.
I believe she and her family just recently moved, due to some serious threats she received.
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Need a real life example of how devious and how despicable anti-gun types can be? Try this:
I attended a pro-2A rally in my state's capitol today -- held on the steps of the capitol building. Rally was organized and hosted by the state's largest grassroots, pro-2A group. I don't know how to estimate how many attended -- I'll guess between 1,000 and 2,000 people.
After the rally had ended and a few volunteers were staying around to help clean up the capitol grounds, a father with a young child in tow approached the president of the organization and asked if he could take a photo of his kid with the president. The kid was holding a sign that said something like, "We're pro-2A." The president agreed, they got the photo all lined up and posed, than the father said, "Now turn it around ..." The kid flipped the sign over, revealing that the back side said "GUNS KILL KIDS." Before anyone could react, the father snapped the photo, grabbed the kid, and boogied. So now he has a photo that he's going to claim "proves" that the president of the RKBA organization agrees that guns kill kids.
That's what they do. They lie, they cheat, they twist, and they deceive. They don't want an honest and open debate on the merits of gun control, because they know they'll lose. In their view, the end justifies the means, and if that means cheating and lying ... they'll cheat and lie.
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Why now? A lot of people are now standing on the graves of the children shot in Florida and screaming for change, whatever that means. You've got a Republican party that seems afraid to use its majority control to do anything more than try to not lose the midterm elections, and doing a pretty piss-poor job of that. We've got a president who is vilified by the press daily, to the point where life-long Republicans are saying that they don't support him or what he's standing for, like immigration enforcement, even though a decade or so ago, it was on everyone's platform, R or D . We have an electorate made up of far too many people more concerned about who is going to be on Dancing With the Stars next time than anything of more national significance...unless the Kardashians say it's important. And these people are hearing celebs say "the NRA is bad," so they are singing right along. And, we have a crap ton of people willing, no begging, to give up liberty for a sense of safety. It's the perfect storm, and the antis are going all in.
Well.Said.
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the father said, "Now turn it around ..."
And they are teaching their kids to be lying sacks of *expletive deleted*it, too.
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And they are teaching their kids to be lying sacks of *expletive deleted*it, too.
Precisely.
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Just when I think we've hit peak irony....
Girl tweets pic of her Appendix carrying as Graduation photo. Twitter sh!*storm ensues. (Along with much hilarity.) As part of it, I noticed the twitter handles of some who are hoping that she (and others carrying) shoot themselves in the Va-jay-jay.
Dana Goldberg
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@DGComedy
11 Apr
This trend of Trump women lifting up their shirts to reveal they are carrying a gun in their pants in public is absolutely idiotic. One of you is going to end up shooting yourself in the vagina.
ShadowyRadicalKaren @Karen4Unity
I will be the first one laughing when that happens!
8:20 PM - Apr 11, 2018
"Shadowy Radical" ?? Like maybe a terrorist, "shadowy radical"..... for "unity" ?? Yep, sounds like she'd be happy to volunteer to help load people into cattle cars to send them to "Re-Education" camps to create some of that "Unity"...
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Need a real life example of how devious and how despicable anti-gun types can be? Try this:
I attended a pro-2A rally in my state's capitol today -- held on the steps of the capitol building. Rally was organized and hosted by the state's largest grassroots, pro-2A group. I don't know how to estimate how many attended -- I'll guess between 1,000 and 2,000 people.
After the rally had ended and a few volunteers were staying around to help clean up the capitol grounds, a father with a young child in tow approached the president of the organization and asked if he could take a photo of his kid with the president. The kid was holding a sign that said something like, "We're pro-2A." The president agreed, they got the photo all lined up and posed, than the father said, "Now turn it around ..." The kid flipped the sign over, revealing that the back side said "GUNS KILL KIDS." Before anyone could react, the father snapped the photo, grabbed the kid, and boogied. So now he has a photo that he's going to claim "proves" that the president of the RKBA organization agrees that guns kill kids.
That's what they do. They lie, they cheat, they twist, and they deceive. They don't want an honest and open debate on the merits of gun control, because they know they'll lose. In their view, the end justifies the means, and if that means cheating and lying ... they'll cheat and lie.
Conservatives do that, too. It's just a prank, really. They'll share it on some web forum, and have a good laugh.