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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: HankB on February 20, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
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The day of the shooting, I saw a police official stating during a press conference that there had been a "police presence" at the Parkland school, as well as all other schools in the district.
By day 2 - nothing. Nada. NO more mention of police at the school.
Any idea what happened?
WAS there an officer or two present? Who was it? Why don't we hear from them? If they were assigned to the school - where were they and what did they do with an active shooter?
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The school had a school resource officer assigned to it. Reports immediately after the incident said he was on duty, but in a different building of the campus.
Unless it was his day off, or he had been called away from the school to some other incident.
And then ... crickets.
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Let's be glad they're not 24/7 pointing out that "an armed man with a gun" didn't make any difference. ;/
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Let's be glad they're not 24/7 pointing out that "an armed man with a gun" didn't make any difference. ;/
They will if they read YOUR post! [tinfoil]
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They will if they read YOUR post! [tinfoil]
If fistful could think of it, anyone... ah say anyone... could think of it, too. That's a joke, ah say, that's a joke, son. =D >:D
Foghorn Leghorn, 230RN
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Looks like we have an answer . . .
https://www.wptv.com/news/national/deputy-at-florida-high-school-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns (https://www.wptv.com/news/national/deputy-at-florida-high-school-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns)
* Cop (actually, a Broward County Sheriff's Deputy) named Scott Peterson was in uniform, on duty, armed, and on site.
* He stood around outside, doing nothing, while the shooting was going on.
* Sheriff suspended Peterson, who responding by resigning.
Another officer behaving in the finest tradition of the cowardly cops of Columbine. But at least HE got to go home that night . . . though 17 others he was charged with protecting didn't.
And he's still eligible for his pension. :mad:
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Another view of the “officer”: http://www.those-who-serve.com/2018/02/22/failure-to-engage-that-cost-innocent-kids-their-lives/ (http://www.those-who-serve.com/2018/02/22/failure-to-engage-that-cost-innocent-kids-their-lives/)
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The most important thing is that he went home that night....
This is one reason I personally get annoyed about acting like every cop is a hero. I would bet most aren’t.
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Remember this when someone tells you that arming teachers is bad because that's why we have police.
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When I was in LE in the 60's I did not work with any officer who would not have went into that building and engaged that shooter. Not one officer!!!
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Here’s what people don’t understand. When the county policy is intentionally constructed to ignore criminal behavior in schools, the Sheriff and School superintendent cannot rely on “law and order-minded” SRO’s to carry out the corrupt policy.
The SRO must carry a political hat and be able to intercept behavior, modify the action based on a specific policy, falsify documents, manipulate records etc, and engage in the system with an understanding of the unwritten goals. SRO’s are given political instructions NOT, I repeat, NOT given instructions to uphold laws and regulations.
The School Officers are the primary foot soldiers carrying out political policy. Engaging an active shooter on campus is the furthest thing from their skill-set you could imagine.
Security of school students is just not their role. The Broward County SRO is in place to protect the School System “policy”.
:facepalm:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/22/broward-coward-armed-county-sheriff-cowered-outside-building-refused-to-confront-parkland-school-shooter/#more-146160
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/#more-146176
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But let us not forget that Deputy Peterson was SRO of the Year in 2014.
And I think I have misjudged Sheriff Israel. It appears that he has had significant military training. What is it that our high-speed, low-drag operators are taught about being captured by the enemy? "Escape and evade."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html
When asked about what law enforcement agencies entered the building first, and at what time, Israel said that it "doesn't matter who went in first" or "what order you went in."
Translation: "Not my guys."
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Appears maybe some folks aren’t happy with Deputy Peterson. Story never lets on as to why the guards.
Police officers guard home of deputy assigned to Florida HS who ‘never went in’ during shooting: reporthttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html
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I wonder why Deputy Peterson never went in to the school. Was he scared? Was he following orders/policy? Was he just riding out his last few days until he can retire and get his pension?
The police guarding Peterson’s house might not make a difference. Peterson might kill himself.
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Well as usual I am torn between despising the responding officer who didn't go in and despising all the ones who showed up later to no real threat in their perfectly donned tactical kit. But.... Before I can solely blame Peterson it would be interesting to know what training his department had on active shooters. If his training was to set a perimeter and wait then we have a grandstanding sheriff and a scapegoat.
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I have a deep conviction that no one else, none of those in any kind of authority, is very interested or motivated to defend me. I acquired from my experience of junior high and high school (7th to 10th grade, one third of my life by the time I got past it).
I don't think I'm wrong.
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But let us not forget that Deputy Peterson was SRO of the Year in 2014.
And I think I have misjudged Sheriff Israel. It appears that he has had significant military training. What is it that our high-speed, low-drag operators are taught about being captured by the enemy? "Escape and evade."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html
Translation: "Not my guys."
I heard that discussed on the radio this morning. Makes you wonder if the local department/officer knew about the shooter as a problem before this, but took no action.
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Well as usual I am torn between despising the responding officer who didn't go in and despising all the ones who showed up later to no real threat in their perfectly donned tactical kit. But.... Before I can solely blame Peterson it would be interesting to know what training his department had on active shooters. If his training was to set a perimeter and wait then we have a grandstanding sheriff and a scapegoat.
I would also like to hear the radio traffic or transcripts. What did he report and did he receive orders to do what he did or conflicting information from someone watching a delayed video feed?
Lots of dirty stuff going on here. I think this as much as anything else really underscores that there were lots of contributing factors to this tragedy far beyond the gun.
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Lots of dirty stuff going on here. I think this as much as anything else really underscores that there were lots of contributing factors to this tragedy far beyond the gun.
Yup. I still don't trust this Sheriff, especially after he did his "NRA's fault" deflection during the CNN so-called "town hall". I'm trying to be careful to not be the same as the masses that are screaming for gun owners' heads. I'll fully blame the deputy after, not before, all the information is out there.
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Yup. I still don't trust this Sheriff, especially after he did his "NRA's fault" deflection during the CNN so-called "town hall". I'm trying to be careful to not be the same as the masses that are screaming for gun owners' heads. I'll fully blame the deputy after, not before, all the information is out there.
Yeah, that report brings up all sorts of questions. Did the shooter have an unreported criminal history (that may have put him on the felon list?)? Did other kids do anything to him? Who knows what else.
With all that, I can certainly see why they would want to deflect media attention onto the gun. Just a bunch of political rats running for cover.
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This does not surprise me one bit
https://mobile.twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/966854507744374784
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This does not surprise me one bit
https://mobile.twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/966854507744374784
Looks like the ball of lies might unravel. I sure hope it does; it will be epic.
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Before I can solely blame Peterson it would be interesting to know what training his department had on active shooters. If his training was to set a perimeter and wait then we have a grandstanding sheriff and a scapegoat.
Setting up a perimeter stopped being the protocol right after Columbine. That may have been Deputy Peterson's protocol but it wasn't his department's protocol. That's why he was suspended.
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Classic, as it closely follows their attack on Trump's "notes".
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Obviously, CNN's quite capable of faking the news, and then lying about it. Still, that email could be from Bored Housewives Demand Action, or Organizing For America, or whatever Russian bots were actually scripting that event. Of course, that doesn't mean CNN was unaware of it, either. But that's not really a mark against CNN. You'd expect the people asking questions to have suggested questions in hand, from whatever groups they're aligned with. That wouldn't be unethical.
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Setting up a perimeter stopped being the protocol right after Columbine. That may have been Deputy Peterson's protocol but it wasn't his department's protocol. That's why he was suspended.
I've heard that a hundred times, but is that really true of every police department in the country? Also, I just heard a Michael Graham in the Morning podcast, and he said that cops waited outside during the Pulse shooting, and another recent shooting. I'm not sure what's correct.
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We are supposed to forget that Donna Brazile while working for cnn provided scripted questions to Hillary Clinton before a primary debate.
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Sean Spicier just said on Twitter (of course, because he only exists in the Twitterverse), "Wonder what department of the NRA kept the resource officer from entering the school."
(Posting that before Ben does. :P )
Also, it didn't matter what the cop did. His handgun would have been useless against an AR.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/23/satire-is-dead-msnbc-anchors-get-dragged-for-incredibly-dumb-take-on-gun-physics/
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This does not surprise me one bit
https://mobile.twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/966854507744374784
The saddest part is that even if every last word of that is gospel truth not a damn thing will come of it.
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That pic is over a year old http://www.theamericanmirror.com/mystery-cnn-plant-question-obamacare-debate/ But it shows that they've used shills before and denied it.
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Also, it didn't matter what the cop did. His handgun would have been useless against an AR.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/23/satire-is-dead-msnbc-anchors-get-dragged-for-incredibly-dumb-take-on-gun-physics/
Ah, so that's why Liberators didn't catch on; the .45ACP bullets were so slow the German could just move his head out of the way and shoot the Frenchman with his 9mm.
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Another view of the “officer”: http://www.those-who-serve.com/2018/02/22/failure-to-engage-that-cost-innocent-kids-their-lives/ (http://www.those-who-serve.com/2018/02/22/failure-to-engage-that-cost-innocent-kids-their-lives/)
From that link:
To those of you who find yourself in the first group [SROs who would be "active responders"], let this incident be a solemn reminder that bad *expletive deleted*it can and does happen, and we never know when or where it might strike. Be prepared, always. Train, train often and train hard. Take all the active shooter training you can get. Take your firearm training seriously, and take a lot of it. Don’t just be proficient with your handgun and your rifle, master the *expletive deleted*it out of them! Take combat first aid classes. There are lots of places that put it on, and some even supply you with a high quality military spec medic bag when you take them.
Ayup.