Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: BlueStarLizzard on February 26, 2018, 02:59:44 PM
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In response to the left, our side has written up some good stuff as well. I thought we could collect some of the new stuff to be disseminated as we can.
I thought I'd start off with this. Oleg is as eloquent as always, plus pretty pictures!
http://blog.olegvolk.net/2018/02/26/rifles-as-canaries-in-the-coal-mine/
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Those red CZ SP01's look great.
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Since no one's coming up with anything.
http://www.ballistics101.com/the_gun_is_civilization.php
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Here's an old, but excellent document; the 1982 Congressional Report on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms:
http://ryoc.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/1982-Congressional-Report-on-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms.pdf (http://ryoc.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/1982-Congressional-Report-on-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms.pdf)
It goes into great detail about the origins of the second amendment, and how it was primarily intended as a deterrent against tyranny.
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Another article about the founding father who wrote the most about the Second Amendment, Tench Coxe
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/law_review_articles/tench_coxe.pdf (http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/law_review_articles/tench_coxe.pdf)
Here's the best quote:
"The power of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of
Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for THE POWERS OF THE
SWORD ARE IN THE HANDS OF THE YEOMANRY OF AMERICA
FROM SIXTEEN TO SIXTY. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled
and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be
tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it
feared, then that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom.
Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American. What clause
in the state or federal constitution hath given away that important right. . . . [T]he
unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the
people.
A Pennsylvanian, To The People of the United States, PHIL. GAZ., Feb. 20, 1788
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http://home.uchicago.edu/ludwigj/papers/JQC-CookLudwig-DefensiveGunUses-1998.pdf
Tom Gresham posted this link on Twitter. It is one of the studies that determined around 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year in the US.
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Florida gun show attendance is up post-Parkland:
http://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/florida-gun-show-sees-record-number-of-attendees-amid-gun-control-debate/67-523267641
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At least one MSM outlet is covering pro-gun stuff:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/27/carjacking-suspect-shot-dead-by-man-with-concealed-weapon-in-wisconsin-police-say.html
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A bit of hope from a Rasmussen poll:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27649/poll-heres-who-americans-blame-florida-school-ryan-saavedra
54% of American Adults believe the failure of government agencies to respond to numerous warning signs from the prospective killer is more to blame for the mass shooting. Thirty-three percent (33%) attribute the deaths more to a lack of adequate gun control. Eleven percent (11%) opt for something else.
Among Americans who have children of elementary or secondary school age, 61% think the government is more to blame. Just 23% of these adults fault a lack of adequate gun control more.
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No surprise here:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/membership-gun-groups-spiking-florida-203520512.html
Representatives from over a dozen gun rights organizations and shooting associations in California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Missouri, New York, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Texas and Virginia told TIME they have seen membership rise since the Feb. 14 shooting left 17 dead at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. And two people familiar with the workings of the NRA, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss membership numbers, said that since the shooting the NRA has also seen more people than usual join, renew memberships or donate money ...
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I'm pretty sure this one goes in the "pro-gun" topic. He could rival Obama as a salesman. =D
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/03/04/umm-fck-that-khamenei-pushes-gun-control-for-americans-ben-rhodes-is-that-you/
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/27920/university-implements-campus-carry-results-are-amanda-prestigiacomo
Deflating the leftist narrative that more guns means more crime, the University of Kansas saw a significant decrease in crime since implementing campus carry in July of 2017.
According to university police, the number of crimes dropped on campus from 2016 to 2017. A news release from the KU Office of Public Safety showed a 13% decrease. There were 770 criminal offenses reported on campus in 2016, but that dropped to 671 reports in 2017, reports Lawrence-Journal World.
There were also zero criminal weapons violations in 2017. Campus police statistics show 14 weapons violations from 2008 to 2016.
The report, which is released each Spring, includes crimes under the law only, not incidents breaking university policy. KU police pointed to enhanced “security technology” and an increase in campus officers as reasoning for the drop in crime.
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This article links to a lot of stats, and several cases of armed self-defense, especially with the dreaded AR-15.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/14/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-on-gun-violence-in-america/
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http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-pac-donations-tripled-february/
Donations to the National Rifle Association's (NRA) political action committee more than tripled in February in comparison to its contributions from January, filings show.
Though I suppose that might be a normal, tax refund season thing.
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http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-pac-donations-tripled-february/
Though I suppose that might be a normal, tax refund season thing.
Probably not. The IRS didn't start issuing refunds until the 3rd week in Feb. And if our office is any indication, most early filers are not looking to use their refunds to make donations (charitable or political), but for living expenses.
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@michaelianblack
Replying to @ElliottRHams
What kind of man brings a gun into his home, knowing it dramatically increases the risk of homicide, suicide, and accidental shootings to either him or his loved ones?
@Johnny_Joey
Johnny (Joey) Jones Retweeted Michael Ian Black
The same kind who enlists at 19, serves 8 years, fights 2 wars, loses both of his legs and spends the rest of his lucky life trying to make the world a better place I suppose.
https://twitter.com/Johnny_Joey/status/978728605307064323?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2018%2F03%2F28%2Fmic-drop-moment-wounded-warrior-joey-jones-has-perfect-reply-to-gun-grabber-michael-ian-black%2F
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Silly girl. You can't use an AR for hunting.
https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/979449477885984774/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2018%2F03%2F29%2Fbam-katie-pavlich-wrecks-dianne-feinsteins-sanctimonious-gun-needs-lecture-with-1-tweet%2F
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/31/students-at-florida-high-school-stage-walkout-in-support-second-amendment.html
URL is self-explanatory.
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The Mother of All Statistics WRT gun control....
JPFO.ORG has a broad panoply of pro-gun articles, charts, statistics, and hard-hitting posters. One of my favorite "quotable" links is The Genocide Chart:
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm
Scroll down about 1/3 of the way for the actual chart. Quite revealing why governments want to disarm their subjects.
Note: If you're going to quote them, please credit them.
Terry
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Sort of good and bad (good on the protestors, bad on the governor). The "free 30 rounders" thing was pretty brilliant though. Too bad they couldn't have added a zero to the number of mags they handed out. :)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/31/gun-rights-activists-hand-out-high-capacity-magazines-at-vermont-rally.html
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Sort of good and bad (good on the protestors, bad on the governor). The "free 30 rounders" thing was pretty brilliant though. Too bad they couldn't have added a zero to the number of mags they handed out. :)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/31/gun-rights-activists-hand-out-high-capacity-magazines-at-vermont-rally.html
From the Fox News article:
Protesters were handed nearly 1,200 high-capacity magazines, which hold 30 rounds of ammunition. A standard-capacity magazine holds around 10 rounds, according to Congressionalsportsmen.org, though this can vary.
From the linked article http://congressionalsportsmen.org/policies/state/full-capacity-magazines
A standard capacity magazine generally means any detachable ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
So "around 10 rounds" == "more than 10 rounds"? Someone is being sloppy.
Also:
In 1993, President Clinton signed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which made it illegal to either manufacture or sell ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds.
Wrong. The Clinton gun ban did not prohibit buying, selling, giving, or receiving such magazines. It just made them a lot more expensive.
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Yeah, the story was poorly written. I just liked the free mag giveaway.
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My big dilemma is whether or not to put my new NRA sticker on the back window of my Jeep.
While Oklahoma is a pretty solidly "red" state and overall very pro 2A, I work in downtown Tulsa (AKA: Berkley on the Arkansas).
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Put it on an electric car.
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My big dilemma is whether or not to put my new NRA sticker on the back window of my Jeep.
While Oklahoma is a pretty solidly "red" state and overall very pro 2A, I work in downtown Tulsa (AKA: Berkley on the Arkansas).
Hell, with so many aholes ready to be violently triggered by any variation of opinion differing from their own, I put nothing on my car. A couple of years ago I quit using my Amateur Radio license plates just in case some jerkomo disliked seeing the slashed zero in my call letters: " Ø ". Sign of the devil or something weird, like "He's a Viking, let's get 'im," who knows?
I also breathed a little easier when the All Wheel Drive decal finally fell off my little old Subaru. You never know when somebody might get triggered by "wheels" as being the cause of all society's ills and their personal deficiencies.
=D
Terry
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-doj-speed-sales-transfers-machine-guns/story?id=53635619
Trump DOJ wants to speed up sales and transfers of machine guns
I think this is an attempt at a hit piece, but it is good news to me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBEUlJZg5CY
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https://crimeresearch.org/2018/04/discussion-consensus-gun-regulation-possible/
I listened to this earlier this morning. Discussion on whether compromise is possible. John Lott makes some pretty good points that it isn't. Liberals don't want safety or less crime, they just want to ban guns.
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https://crimeresearch.org/2018/04/discussion-consensus-gun-regulation-possible/
Liberals don't want safety or less crime, they just want to ban guns.
And then knives.
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https://crimeresearch.org/2018/04/discussion-consensus-gun-regulation-possible/
I listened to this earlier this morning. Discussion on whether compromise is possible. John Lott makes some pretty good points that it isn't. Liberals don't want safety or less crime, they just want to ban guns.
I may just be getting crankier in my old age, but I've started arguing gun rights less IRL, because I find myself less willing to entertain the notion that my natural rights are subject to compromise or the whims of the majority.
Why should I bother? Especially because it's becoming increasingly obvious the compromise isn't being offered in good faith, and they will be back for more restrictions later. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the other side is negotiating in bad faith, and has every intention of breaking their word, and our side has guns. Why even pretend to compromise? I think everyone knows it's going to come to violence at some point anyway.
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Why should I bother? Especially because it's becoming increasingly obvious the compromise isn't being offered in good faith, and they will be back for more restrictions later. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the other side is negotiating in bad faith, and has every intention of breaking their word, and our side has guns. Why even pretend to compromise? I think everyone knows it's going to come to violence at some point anyway.
I don't know that "it cracks me up" is the right phrase to use, but it cracks me up that they're not even bothering to hide it anymore, especially since Vegas and Parkland. I've even seen some of them say recently, in the same breath, "We just want to enact some sensible restrictions... but eventually, yeah, we want to ban all guns."
I'm kind of glad that Parkland has emboldened them to come out of their closet and say what their end goals are.
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COMING OF AGE
I may just be getting crankier in my old age, but I've started arguing gun rights less IRL [In Real Life?], because I find myself less willing to entertain the notion that my natural rights are subject to compromise or the whims of the majority.
Why should I bother? Especially because it's becoming increasingly obvious the compromise isn't being offered in good faith, and they will be back for more restrictions later. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the other side is negotiating in bad faith, and has every intention of breaking their word, and our side has guns. Why even pretend to compromise? I think everyone knows it's going to come to violence at some point anyway.
What? You mean some of you guys are finally realizing that any kind of compromise with the left wing, liberals, socialists, commies, progressives, whatever-whoever, is actually just another step forward in their ultimate goals?
I'm sure other old folks such as myself have had adequate "notice" of their intent years and years ago --in my case, since the mid 1960s.
Oh, but of course, we were all paranoid, and our opinions about "reasonable restrictions" were just obstinate muleheaded right-wing stubborness. :mad:
Yup. That's me.
Welcome aboard, guys.
Terry, 230RN
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I think most of us already realized it, I just am happy to see it becoming part of the public discussion and debate. Usually it was just something said on gun forums.
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I think most of us already realized it, I just am happy to see it becoming part of the public discussion and debate. Usually it was just something said on gun forums.
Yup. It's not about "us" realizing it. We have known for a long, long time. It's about "them" being brazen enough now to say so themselves. It's a good thing, because they are at a point where they seem they don't have to hide their agenda.
They are completely buying into their own propaganda that everyone now believes gun owners are terrorists, and they don't have to worry about blowback or the pendulum swinging away from them. It's like they're using the same sources that said a Clinton win was a lock.
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That is another reason I am not sure about this blue wave business next fall. Dems running on gun control and higher taxes is usually a loser. Also, Trump has been doing good things for unions in rust belt states.
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Does my heart good to see a Democrat publicly state that they want you to vote for them so they can raise taxes.
Got to pay for those benefits for illegal immigrants somehow don't ya know...
Then, I realize that the "Average American" is a slack jawed, mouth breathing, booger eating moron that will probably vote for them anyway.
And, since only a little over half the population actually pays taxes we're probably pretty well fooked.
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I don't think the average American is that bad or we would already be worse off. I think the best thing to do is keep them focused on taxes and guns up to the election and don't allow other issues to be a distraction. Will that be done? Who knows. If the media doesn't see things going their way up to this summer, they will change tactics and try to find something to push voters the way they want.
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http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/13/britains-knife-control-bad-parody-gun-control/